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Swype Beta For Android Is Open, Temporarily

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the grab-it-quick dept.

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FyreWyr writes "In 2008 we discussed Swype, which allows a mobile (phone, e.g.) user to draw a path over a virtual keyboard to enter words, rather than requiring precise tapping to accomplish the input. Using this software, a Swype intern (Franklin Page) beat the Guinness record by about 6 WPM for the Guinness-standard phrase: The razor-toothed piranhas of the genera Serrasalmus and Pygocentrus are the most ferocious freshwater fish in the world. In reality they seldom attack a human. (Unfortunately the video at that link is marked private.) TechCrunch reports that Swype is presently in open beta, and will be available for 'a couple of days,' supporting English, Spanish, and Italian entry. Finally, while the deadline has apparently passed, I was able to retrieve the Android beta for testing a few minutes ago. I'm posting it here for the benefit of Android-enabled Slashdot readers."

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Frost poss FOR JAIZU'S (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634950)

Checkin' if I gives a goshdarn shit ... nope.

P.S. Kerstyun hear, censor'd by heathern's and jewbastard's.

Re:Frost poss FOR JAIZU'S (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635156)

Checkin' if I gives a goshdarn shit ... nope.

P.S. Kerstyun hear, censor'd by heathern's and jewbastard's.

Niggers, also known as "ghetto rats" because they breed, and breed, and breed, and breed ... and breed some more, while engaging in a form of cannibalism - black-on-black crime which is far higher than white-on-black crime has ever been, eating all sorts of garbage like fast food and becoming disgustingly fat sows so they can shit out some more ghetto rats by ten different fathers, may have also censored you along with heatherns and jewbastards.

This is why the white man is superior. A black person can walk through a white neighborhood without worrying for his safety. A white person walking through a black neighborhood better watch his fucking ass. Therefore, blacks are barbaric heathen niggers and far more racist than whites.

And another thing! Who the fuck keeps knocking up these elephantine big fat sweaty nasty body-odor-producing gut-bigger-than-tits nigger bitches anyway? There aren't that many sperm banks. Somebody's actually holding their nose and fucking these piles of jiggly lard. Who the fuck is doing that and why won't they have some dignity and just jack off? What, there aren't enough future criminal little bastards in the world so you gotta make tons more?

The solution to all of this is easy. If you accept any sort of welfare or live in any kind of public housing, you must first accept free taxpayer-supplied surgical sterilization. A generation or two of that and the worst neighborhoods might even have white people in them again.

Typed using Swype Beta (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32634960)

First post!

The Guinness record ... (1, Insightful)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634968)

(Unfortunately the video at that link is marked private.)

If no one can see it, it didn't happen, although I smell bear shit...

Re:The Guinness record ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635218)

Here's someone doing it in 34.9 seconds [youtube.com] on a Nexus One...

Re:The Guinness record ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32636076)

I'm gonna write a "GuinnessButton" program that prints "The razor-toothed piranhas of the genera Serrasalmus and Pygocentrus are the most ferocious freshwater fish in the world. In reality they seldom attack a human. " when you press it, that'll give me a 1s record.

Swype is also guessing the words, so its not really *typing*.

Re:The Guinness record ... (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639810)

I've been trialling this since friday (HTC Desire) and I have to say I am incredibly impressed so far (and I'm not generally easily impressed). As you say, it's making predictions of what you intended to type, but it does so with - so far for me - an incredibly high hit-rate. It seems even if your trail misses a few letters, it still almost always suggest the correct word (and where it doesn't, it prompts you with a list like the standard predictive keyboard on the Desire, even then it's much faster to "swype" and correct than to type and correct). Punctuation seems to be my sticking point right now as it breaks the natural flow that lets you build up some incredible typing speeds (I'm sure this is my failing rather than the software's, there are some tips [swypeinc.com] to help but I've yet to learn them instinctively). Overall it took me around 5 or 6 text messages to go from "what the hell is happening" to as fast as my previous (admittedly not massively quick being new to touch-screen keyboards on phones) typing speed.

Re:The Guinness record ... (1)

RandomUsername99 (574692) | more than 4 years ago | (#32642828)

Look, I can understand the distrust of anything and everything surrounding a corporate marketing push, but we should probably actually look before we call bull(bear)shit. Let's give credit where credit is due:

That's not the only video... in fact It was on national television:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXmmOmR7M9w [youtube.com]

Here's the writeup of the event at Guinness World Records:
http://community.guinnessworldrecords.com/_Clackers-in-a-TV-ad-What/blog/2271291/7691.html?b= [guinnessworldrecords.com]

Already on (4, Informative)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634970)

It's pre installed on the Samsung Galaxy S, you just have to click and hold on a text input field to get the menu up that lets you enable it.

Re:Already on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635458)

Swype is great, however it hides the 'text to speech' functionality built into android 2.1+, which many users may not like. However the swype engineers seem responsive to community cries for its inclusion. Hopefully it makes it into the final version.

Swype is really awesome (3, Interesting)

Asmor (775910) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634972)

My girlfriend and I recently got new phones, and I wanted to go Android but got an HTC HD2 (running Windows Mobile) with the intention of returning it within the 14 days allowed, because the phone I wanted was coming out a week later...

Anyways, long story short, I stuck with the HD2 in very large part because I was so enamored with Swype, and was distraught that Swype wasn't available for Android.

It's not perfect, of course, but I enjoy it. In particular, it can be a bit fiddly with smaller words (e.g. me, of, to), but once you get a rhythm going it is, dare I say it, actually fun. It's like every text message is a little game.

It's also very intuitive and you pick it up very quickly. If you've got an Android, definitely give this a look.

Re:Swype is really awesome (1, Informative)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634982)

Not sure how long ago you checked, but Droid does come with swype.

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

Asmor (775910) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635016)

Really? How recent is that? Interesting.

I'm with T-Mobile (the Droid's only on Verizon), but I'm pretty sure when I did my research I just looked for android in general, not any specific phones.

It wasn't that long ago, a bit under a month I guess. I probably missed it.

C'est la vie.

Re:Swype is really awesome (2, Informative)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635112)

Oops, I take that back. Its actually Motorola Droid X, that comes with swype. I got my version numbers wrong.

Re:Swype is really awesome (4, Interesting)

adolf (21054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635530)

I've been running Swype for months on my Motorola Droid. It works great, and it was not at all difficult to locate it using Google. AFAICT, it's been running on most or all Android phones for quite awhile (though mostly with questionable legality).

That said, it's great that the beta is open -- this way, I get to legally use Swype. Hopefully, some day, they'll actually let me pay for it -- I'd love to give these guys a few bucks.

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639828)

That said, it's great that the beta is open -- this way, I get to legally use Swype. Hopefully, some day, they'll actually let me pay for it -- I'd love to give these guys a few bucks.

Same here - I've only been using it over the weekend, but I already feel it's integral to the Android experience and that I'd hate to see it go away (if the beta expires and they decide not to re-issue). The sooner I can pay for this and know that it's mine for keeps, the better.

Re:Swype is really awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635630)

I got my T-Mobile myTouch 3G back in March and it has Swype preloaded. Still waiting for the Android 2.0 update though ... :-(

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

lethalp1mpslapper (238264) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640988)

The new T-Mobile MyTouch 3G Slide has a physical keyboard and comes with Swype. I use it on my Nexus One and love it.

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635052)

Strange, 'cause it doesn't. I have one, I had to get in the beta.

Re:Swype is really awesome (-1, Offtopic)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635010)

AWSOME Slashvert, dude. How much / what did you get for your little slice of Astro Turf?

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635056)

Well, if he was actually pitching it as a product, he'd know that Swype's already shipping with a few Android phones...

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636620)

Actually, I for one appreciate it being up. This is /. as in news for nerds. And the fact that this is in open beta for phones which it isn't included on is news. I've just given it a quick shot and I'll probably buy it when it goes on sale. It seems like it's much more realistic to use on like the bus due to keeping the finger on the screen at all times.

Re:Swype is really awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637940)

Moron. Wuss. COCK SUCKER. But mostly MORON. I mean YOU, HeadJobEdwards

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

some_guy_88 (1306769) | more than 4 years ago | (#32642496)

Did you type that using Swype?

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635244)

mytouch 3g slide has swype.

Re:Swype is really awesome (1)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635286)

P.S. I'm sorry you're stuck with the inferior OS

Re:Swype is really awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637550)

Quite the inferiority complex you've got there.

Re:Swype is really awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635250)

Swype is on the myTouch 3G 1.2 and the myTouch 3G Slide, there is also a couple roms for stuff like the original myTouch 3G, G1, Behold II, etc that have it baked in.

Not Much Interest In This Article? (0, Offtopic)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32634980)

:: crickets ::
Either there aren't too many 'Swypers' reading /. today or they're all having trouble 'swyping' on their non-phone keyboards. Either way this wins this week's "Sleepy Sunday Afternoon Story Award".

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635094)

At first I thought it said "Skype" and thought "Really? Great. Who cares?"

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32637034)

At first I thought it said "Skype" and thought "Really? Great. Who cares?"

Well, Skype can be worth having on your mobile if your overseas or long-distance calls are expensive and your data traffic limits aren't too restrictive. I would probably use it a lot if it weren't for the fact that I spend too much time using older networks that don't have the bandwidth to make it work.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635118)

The people who have been using Swype probably knew about this days ago. I certainly did.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639890)

Yes, I'm new to Swype (installed it on friday), but I got the impression from the Android forum where I read about this that Swype had been in beta on Android for a while, all that happened over the weekend was that the initial beta trial period ended so they opened the beta up again (so people who already had it could renew and people who didn't could get in on the action).

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (2, Interesting)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635134)

Also, if I want to convey

The razor-toothed piranhas of the genera Serrasalmus and Pygocentrus are the most ferocious freshwater fish in the world. In reality they seldom attack a human.

to someone using my phone, I can like totally call them, and it only takes about 6 seconds to say, while I'm guessing "kthxby" doesn't gain a lot of speed from being "swyped".

Meanwhile, a pox on Yet Another Stupid Internet Word like "swype".

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32636028)

Its a product name dude. Get over it.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636256)

I just downloaded and installed it, had never heard of it. I had been using better keyboard recently, which is in fact a better keyboard, but Swype blows it away. I'm pretty thankful I found this.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640174)

You're paying too much attention to the phone aspect. Not only is this application not just for phones (it might actually make tablets useful for writing up information on the move, for instance), it's great on the phone for email, making lists, taking down notes, etc. If you think this is unnecessary, you've probably not spent much time trying to enter text on small, touchscreen devices. Even on the "text" front, there are many instances where it might be preferable to send a text message than to make a call (if I'm in a meeting or don't want to disrupt the office, or I know the other person is similarly in a meeting, or I have too little signal to call, or I have a non-urgent piece of information to convey but don't want to risk waiting and forgetting, etc), and in those instance anything which simplifies the process is welcome. It also makes typing while travelling much easier - still no comparison to a physical key set under such circumstances, but the fact that it does an excellent job of interpreting your intentions even when the path described is only in the general vicinity of your actual letters, means you can still type accurately and at speed while in a moving car - something I found totally impossible with the default keyboard (the only way I could manage it was to brace my hand against the side of the screen to try and compensate for the movements of both, then very carefully hover into position over the key before a quick dab press - painful doesn't begin to sum it up).

Additionally, even on the "kthxby" issue, Swype does a reasonable job of recognising a lot of slang and anything like this that's not recognised initially can be added to the database (you just type it out using the same Swype interface but using it as a normal touchscreen keyboard - actually this is where the product's even more innovative because you keep the original functionality and Swype builds upon this), after which you get the same increased speed benefits. Purely anecdotal, but I did a test with "kthxby", it took around 2-2.5 seconds to type, but around a second to swype (and I'm still learning how it works) - that's not negligible over the course of an email!

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

eparker05 (1738842) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635242)

Maybe all the android owners are watching Nascar right now. I just came out of Infinion raceway and I didn't see many iPhones but a lot of people had Droids

PS. Typed on my eris with swype

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635328)

:: crickets :: Either there aren't too many 'Swypers' reading /. today or they're all having trouble 'swyping' on their non-phone keyboards. Either way this wins this week's "Sleepy Sunday Afternoon Story Award".

The Slashdot stories that deserve to be slow are the Ask Slashdots that amount to "wah, I'm far too lazy to do a Google search, wah wah *cry* i am so helpless, won't someone type a few keywords into a search engine for me and report the results?" The would-be knights-in-shining-armor go for it every time instead of saying RTFM and DYOR (do your own research), even when their damsel-in-distress is a man who wouldn't be in that situation if he knew his head from his ass and didn't fuck with things he doesn't yet understand. Instead this story is slow, because few things are the way they should be.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636290)

Haha, I like how you explained DYOR so we didn't have to google it.

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

IDtheTarget (1055608) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635454)

:: crickets :: Either there aren't too many 'Swypers' reading /. today or they're all having trouble 'swyping' on their non-phone keyboards. Either way this wins this week's "Sleepy Sunday Afternoon Story Award".

Um...It's Father's Day in the USA? :)

Re:Not Much Interest In This Article? (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636778)

Either there aren't too many 'Swypers' reading /. today or they're all having trouble 'swyping' on their non-phone keyboards. Either way this wins this week's "Sleepy Sunday Afternoon Story Award".

Quite a feat, considering it's Monday morning.

You see those of us who aren't iTards have known about swipe for quite some time as well as knowing about the swype beta. As seems to happen so often on Slashdot, this is not news.

Krogdor (5, Insightful)

Krogdor (1611241) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635158)

I think the whole Guinness World Record thing is a bit skewed... The phrase is extremely well made for Swype. I know this wasn't intentional, but Swype excels at typing out extremely long and complicated words—the exact bane of most text inputs, and the reason that they are included in a world record phrase. Where Swype has trouble, however, is short words that are easily misinterpreted.

Re:Krogdor (4, Interesting)

beanpoppa (1305757) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636642)

I've been using Swype for a little while now on my Droid, and you are right. Short words are more ambiguous, and harder for Swype to interpret. But Swype also lets you touch-type words like any other touch-screen keyboard. I've gotten into the habit of touch-typing out short words, and 'Swyping' the longer ones. While other touch-screen keyboards try to mimic the physical keyboard world (haptic feedback, etc), Swype embraces new methods that a touch-screen can bring about.

x10 mini fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635220)

bah. too small a screen for crapapp

shapewriter (3, Interesting)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635248)

For the moment, I am extremely impressed with Shapewriter. And for a few days more, you can get that for free with no expiration and it is not a beta. So I don't see a need for Swype right now:

http://www.androidcentral.com/shapewriter-being-pulled-market-get-it-while-you-still-can [androidcentral.com]

Re:shapewriter (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635320)

They're all `for a few days` or beta only, right? What are they going to cost when they're out for good?

And why does Swype disable my Desire's `pinch to zoom` occasionally? Hope that's fixed in the final release...assuming it's free, otherwise I won't bother.

Re:shapewriter (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635854)

>They're all `for a few days` or beta only, right? What are they going to cost when they're out for good?

It is likely Swype's beta will expire. Shapewriter will not. The reason Shaprewriter is free for a while is because they are being bought by Nuance. Not sure WHY they are related, but Shapewriter will disappear from the market soon, and probably be released as a different product.

The one thing that is missing in *both* is that the voice recognition button is missing, which is a real drag.

Re:shapewriter (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32638900)

> The one thing that is missing in *both* is that the voice recognition button is missing, which is a real drag.

There's a mod which does that (htc_ime) which works well, for the Desire at least. It uses the voice search which you get from pressing the search button, but you can use it anywhere you can enter text with the keyboard. It adds a bunch of other features too, such as limited gesture support (swipe left to delete last sentence, etc).

Re:shapewriter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32636540)

Shapewriter's quality is really rather awful compared to swype.

Re:shapewriter (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636656)

It's already been pulled. Or at least I can't find it, and I'm looking with FroYo.

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Dasher (5, Interesting)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635334)

A "sweeping" mobile input method always reminds me of Dasher. I guess one reason why it doesn't get all the attention is that it must be tuned to a particular corpus of text, so it's not immediately usable like something qwerty-based.

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ [cam.ac.uk]

Re:Dasher (2, Interesting)

numb7rs (1689018) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635520)

I used to use Dasher on my old iPAQ from 2004. For the first couple of weeks, it was only slightly better than the OSK. Then as its dictionary of my words (and my practice) grew, I could eventually use it at speeds rivalling a QWERTY keyboard, probably after a couple of months or so.

It also looked awesome while you 'typed'. Like some sort of bizarre arcade game.

Re:Dasher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637296)

Dasher has a dynamic interface, which is a very bad interface choice. You literally have to chase after the letter you want to input.

Swype operates over a static keyboard.

Re:Dasher (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640482)

Additionally it still maintains the existing functionality of that existing keyboard. Know you're about to type a word that won't be in the dictionary, or that might get confused with too many other short words to be worth the effort? Just switch seamlessly between "swyping" and typing. It's a good example of intelligent use of the medium, rather than the alternative model at the moment of trying to shoe-horn in a solution that doesn't fit to cash in on the current popularity of touch-screen devices.

Well I'm certainly glad you posted this! (4, Informative)

56 (527333) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635398)

They definitely are still letting people download it - I just installed it on my HTC Magic. It works quite well, shocking so actually. In vertical one-handed typing, I'm already much faster and more accurate than I ever was with the regular keyboard. However, the swype idea doesn't make much sense for horizontal typing - there's no real way to use both hands so what's the point? I would prefer to be able to stick with the traditional keyboard for horizontal typing. That said, I'm going to stick with it for a few days and see how it goes under real-world circumstances.

Re:Well I'm certainly glad you posted this! (2, Informative)

AusIV (950840) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635806)

Enable word prediction in the Swype Settings menu, and swype will behave quite similarly to the standard keyboard if you tap letters one at a time instead of swyping. That said, from my initial impressions I'm unconvinced that using both hands to type on the horizontal keyboard would be faster than swyping on the vertical keyboard.

Re:Well I'm certainly glad you posted this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32638752)

Anything that improves one-handed typing rates would be welcomed by Slashdotters.

Comes preloaded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635504)

On the Motorola Cliq Xt.

you can get shapewriter on iphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32635656)

i've been using it for almost two years. can only use in their app, but it's great for lists.

Sweet, could be sweeter (4, Informative)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635736)

It beats the living snot out of the standard soft keyboard, and may be faster than the slider keyboard on my Moto Droid, except that I can use *two* thumbs on the slider.
I haven't yet gotten used to the right actions to say, "no, it's not one of those eight words" without having to reswype the whole word -- annoying on lengthy words. It's accuracy is pretty darn good anyway, even if I swerve because I'm going the wrong way toward a letter, it often gets the right word.

Only app I haven't gotten it to work on is Twisty, an interactive fiction interpreter -- it would be a big help there.

Re:Sweet, could be sweeter (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636752)

I haven't yet gotten used to the right actions to say, "no, it's not one of those eight words" without having to reswype the whole word -- annoying on lengthy words.

I don't know about Swype, but I've found ShapeWriter seems to actually work better with longer words since there are less matches for a given pattern. ShapeWriter gives you a choice of ten words.

It's accuracy is pretty darn good anyway, even if I swerve because I'm going the wrong way toward a letter, it often gets the right word.

Yep, if I accidentally stop on the wrong letter and have to change direction, ShapeWriter (and I'm assuming Swype) seems to have enough fuzzy logic to say "the user has no idea what they're doing, so I'll just guess" and gets it right. :)

Re:Sweet, could be sweeter (1)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 4 years ago | (#32637528)

How does it deal with words like "fuck"? T9 is horrible if you like to use any sort of colorful language.

Re:Sweet, could be sweeter (1)

anti-pop-frustration (814358) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639306)

Except it is fucking *censored*.

Try swyping words like shit, cunt, fuck... Yep, it doesn't work. Swype will not predict "offensive" words.

Aren't these words part of the English language? Aren't they in every single modern English dictionary? Then why can't input them on my phone keyboard? I guess I need to add them to my user dictionary as if they were something special and not part of normal day-to-day communication.

This is totally unacceptable. After Apple censoring apps that are adaptations of classic literature [tinyurl.com] and Steve Jobs "Freedom from porn", now this. What is this nonsense? "Swype: Freedom from swearing"?

This has gone way too far. This isn't even political correctness out of control anymore, we have entered thought control territory. A pen that refuses to write offensive thoughts? Wake the fuck up America. You are asleep at the fucking wheel.

Re:Sweet, could be sweeter (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640764)

Actually, it's not - it will use whatever your standard dictionary is, so if you already have those words, Swype is happy to let you use them. Now, the basic Android dictionary probably doesn't come pre-loaded with your favourite expletives, but tell me, in what way does "doesn't come as part of the standard dictionary" equate to "you're not allowed to write those words"? You've never used a slang word that's not in the official dictionary? If you choose to limit your expression to words that are only in an official dictionary, you're doing the censoring yourself.

I'm sure you could, if you really wanted, find an expanded dictionary for Android with all of your "offensive" words pre-entered. If that's too much effort, then the process of "entering" them that you seem to find so onerous is that you... type them (as you would have to anyway), and if it's not recognised, you will be prompted with a list of suggestions, one of which will be your expletive, you just press it and it's saved. One extra keypress and thereafter you can swear away to your heart's content - if you can't be bothered to exert that much effort to overcome what you claim is "censorship" (and a quick character count suggests you could have added 139 expletives to your dictionary instead of typing the above post), then don't come here complaining about it.

I guess "A pen that refuses to write offensive thoughts, unless you press one button, one time only, thereafter it's fine" isn't such a great rallying call...

Re:Sweet, could be sweeter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32642902)

Oh come on.

They don't want little-Suzy-ponytails to type a word and ask mommy what "cunt" means, because mommy will throw a hissy-fit. They aren't trying to implement some Orwellian nightmare -- they're trying to not lose money.

On the "things to get pissed out about" list, this ought to rank fairly low.

Privacy? (2, Interesting)

solevita (967690) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635922)

Presumably this is going to phone home and report usage stats from my usual mix of sexting and work emails? Android has already warned me of this on installation. I'll give it a go, but not for anything I wouldn't want made public.

Re:Privacy? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32636698)

It will say that anytime you install -any- input method.

Flick Input (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32635954)

I really prefer flick input, to be honest - 9-key layout, and a small "drag" in different directions determine which character to enter. You got big, easy to hit keys, and you're not dependent on the predictive input to get words right. I started using it for Japanese, but it's so convenient I now use it for English as well. Now, if I could add the Swedish characters to the Xperia Japanese/English flick keyboard I would never have to switch input method again.

Re:Flick Input (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636314)

Is it available for Android? I like Swype so far (15 minutes of usage), but I have been searching for a way to input Japanese, too.

Re:Flick Input (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636398)

The keyboard I use is the one included in the Japanese Xperia, and is actually the best one I've used so far. Simeji (http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.adamrocker.android.input.simeji/ [appbrain.com] ) and OpenWnn (http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.owplus.ime.openwnnplus [appbrain.com] ) are similar Japanese input methods, and both have several modes including flick input (the left screenshot in the Simeji link and right screenshot for OpenWnn shows flick input in action for Japanese).

Of those two I like OpenWnn better, but both do suffer a bit from featuritis. They have a system of plugins where you can add all kinds of shortcuts, precanned sentences and stuff. The default Japanese Xperia keyboard is much cleaner and simpler, and feels more responsive too.

Re:Flick Input (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32636332)

Flick / smudge type inputs are very good because you don't have to look at the screen yet can be certain of what you've typed, and as you say they don't rely on a dictionary. They are faster than multi-tap for sure, but, with the exception of typing obscure non-dictionary words, swype will be way faster.

I'd like to be able to instantly switch from swype to a flick input mid-sentence for typing non-dictionary words, numbers, programming punctuation etc., and back to swype again for the rest.

Re:Flick Input (2, Interesting)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636684)

"They are faster than multi-tap for sure, but, with the exception of typing obscure non-dictionary words, swype will be way faster."

In my particular case (admittedly not very common) I write in multiple languages. An input method that relies on dictionary matching would require me to switch the input language all the time. You could solve it by allowing the use of multiple simultaneous dictionaries of course, but I know of no input system that would allow me to do so (and there may be reliability problems if you increase the corpus too much I guess).

But I also like flick better because it lets me type with the same hand I hold the phone. Swype - and, to a lesser extent, a normal qwerty input - really needs you to hold the phone with one hand and type with the other.

Anyway, I really like that there's multiple ways of typing available - not to mention Android phones with hardware numpads, slideout keyboards and laptop-style fold-out designs. We can all choose our own preferred way to write.

Re:Flick Input (2, Informative)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636784)

I can't help you with the multiple-language problem, but Swype is easy to use with one hand. Grab with the fingers, type with the thumb. I do it all the time.

Re:Flick Input (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637522)

What languages are these? If it's a combination of English, Spanish or French, "switch[ing] the input language all the time" on Swype won't be too bad - only 2 keypresses. But it's a bigger problem with other language pairs, because you have to switch IMEs which is a big nuisance. I usually stick with Google Pinyin for English, even though Swype is a better input method.

Re:Flick Input (1)

Ezzelin (103200) | more than 4 years ago | (#32638538)

Actually, ShapeWriter for Android, which is functionally similar to Swype, appears to support multiple dictionaries at once. Available for download are French, German, Spanish, etc.

Re:Flick Input (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639186)

Yes, I've tried shapewriter; that's the basis of comparison for me. Swedish and English is available, but no Japanese. Anyway, that's not the main reason I don't use it. I just prefer flick input myself. Different strokes - literally :).

Re:Flick Input (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640840)

It's probably not impossible to solve the multiple language issue with Swype, if there was sufficient interest for the developers to consider it. They already have a bunch of clever workarounds for things like capitalising words and doing punctuation, etc, there's no reason they couldn't give the ability to have a secondary and tertiary dictionary, favour the primary dictionary for most typing but you swype via this part of the screen to type a word in language B, that part in language C - sill not as great as having a full size physical keyboard but it'd be a reasonable compromise to gain speed and accuracy on a small device without giving anything up by having too many hits returned per word typed.

a new level of non-responsive (1)

Mystic Pixel (911992) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636192)

I don't think it's possible to communicate how slowly this runs on the (original) MyTouch3G. At least in my experience, it took 5-10 seconds for it to recognize that I had even started a word - when it finally did, it took another 5 seconds to trace it out. Something is obviously wrong here, there can't be any way it's supposed to be this slow. As I'm not that enthralled with the idea, I don't have the inclination to figure it out, so whatever. Honestly, I've had problems with apps (and the OS in general) being non-responsive in the past, but this is a whole new level.

I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (3, Interesting)

zizzybaloobah (1021731) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636514)

Swype's marketing plan is to *only* distribute Swype via phone manufacturers, *not* through channels like Android's Market. Reasons given included being a small company, limited ability to provide end-user support, yada yada yada. This is despite scores of users who willingly want to fling money their way, regardless of support options (or lack thereof). I know when my Swype beta expired, I was heartbroken. You just can't go back to tapping after Swyping. I tried SlideIT and Shapewriter. I really disliked SlideIT, and while Shapewriter was tolerable, it was still no Swype. I admit I may be biased having used Swype first. I was elated to see the day after my beta expired, that they opened up the official program to anyone who wanted to sign up. Perhaps the Swype folks are having at least a small change of heart regarding their marketing stratgey.

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (1)

nloop (665733) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636576)

No, they aren't changing their strategy, they are just getting more people hooked to prove the worth of their product as they hawk it to manufacturers. It is the same person who was behind T9 input, and he made a boatload of money off that. Why deal with piracy, direct to consumer sales, and support when you can sell to manufacturers, make your money, and let them handle all follow up?

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (1)

zizzybaloobah (1021731) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636664)

Oh yes, because their current strategy has been soooo successful keeping Swype out of the hands of unregistered users who have probably done more to promote Swype with their positive word-of-mouth than any marketing scheme could accomplish. (And if I happen to have, or want to purchase, a device that doesn't come with Swype - then I'm out of luck? the SlideIT and ShapeWriter folks are going to be loving that)

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636722)

I'm guessing that they're gunning to be bought out by Google. A lot of start ups do that, in fact much of what we know today as Google was previously created by somebody else.

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32638960)

So? Is the piracy that occurs now really going affect their sales? I doubt it, but giving a legitimate purchase option to users might. If they think they can make more money this way, then why not?

Admittedly it sucks for users that don't have it and wan to get it legitimately, but that doesn't make it a bad business model.

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (1)

daver00 (1336845) | more than 4 years ago | (#32637066)

I would guess that this is heading towards some future update for android, although if they want to license it, that could be difficult. Why why why won't I be able to buy it!!

Re:I love Swype, but hate their marketing strategy (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 4 years ago | (#32636810)

Yeah, it's kinda funny - they could sell access to the beta for $5, offer no technical support at all, and they'd STILL be swimming in money. I would pay $20 for this app when it comes out, and it'd be worth every cent.

PC keyboard alternative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637284)

I'm curious whether this could eventually become an alternative to keyboards for desktops and laptops. Assuming a person could become quite skilled there is a great deal of potential here.

For instance:

-High-speed typing with one hand while the other hand uses the mouse
-Practiced movements with two or three fingers to input small, common words (the, and, to...)
-An unlimited number of movements/combinations for personalized hotkeys

Re:PC keyboard alternative (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641038)

What would the input method be for a normal desktop? If it's touchscreen it sounds incredibly uncomfortable leaning forwards to "type", specially while operating the mouse with the other hand, especially since people tend to use their favoured hand for the mouse (so you'd be using your left hand to learn forward and type via the screen if you were right-handed, not nice). If you were going to hobble yourself that way, you may as well use the mouse as the Swype input, at least you could lean back and do that and it wouldn't require a fancy touchscreen interface, but really why do that when a traditional keyboard is so much faster and simpler?

No, where this would be more useful is tablets - being able to type up notes at a reasonable speed (bypassing flaky handwriting recognition or the need to type up your notes later) would make tablets a lot more usable than they are right now. Being able to type things up while on the train would make them a much more viable alternative to laptops/netbooks for some people (less space, you don't even need a knee to rest on, but still fairly accurate in a moving environment). Would also be useful for typing on any device with a "pointer" interface, such as the Wii.

Oooh! Digitised spookiness.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32637524)

So, if you get some friends to hold the stylus with you, it's like a digital ouija board?

Try ShapeWriter too (1)

uberchicken (121048) | more than 4 years ago | (#32638084)

I've used both, and prefer ShapeWriter

Oops! (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 4 years ago | (#32638556)

I'm sorry, I shouldn't be on this thread, for some reason I thought Swype == VoIP + BitTorrent.

Was forced to try it by cow-orkers... (1)

RichiH (749257) | more than 4 years ago | (#32638904)

...specifically because I hate word prediction/correction and always turn it off.

And holy shit! This is awesome!

Re:Was forced to try it by cow-orkers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32639378)

Interesting, I hate that as well (T9, may you burn in hell, you useless piece of shit), and while I doubt I'd enjoy Swype (I first thought it was some sort of Skype, hm), I am now willing to give it a try.

Swype works alright. (1)

jjmiv (1195457) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639240)

I've been using Swype for the past couple days and it works pretty well. I turned off the 'vibrate on keypress" and using sounds which get annoying. Its pretty accurate and nice being able to use with one hand. I also recommend not using the "suggesting words" option, I kind of liked the spell check with every word for the Android keyboard but the suggestion box for Swype gets in the way of the screen AND its annoying when typing in numbers.

Re:Swype works alright. (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641080)

That's my only niggle, too - I'd like to be able to specify the layout of the suggested word panel, or just use the default Android one. For most words it's not an issue as Swype does a good job of getting it right without prompting a choice, but for smaller words this would greatly speed things up.

Re:Swype works alright. (1)

jjmiv (1195457) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641320)

i think they should just put a row above the keyboard to list suggested words, that would be a lot easier!

Shapewriter (1)

bdunogier (1703556) | more than 4 years ago | (#32639772)

Since it hasn't been mentioned, I think it's worth highlighting the fact that ShapeWriter is currently free and available on the android market, with features similar to those of Swype. As far as I'm concerned, it has really changed the way I use my android phone's keyboard (HTC Desire).

Replace regular keyboard? (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640300)

Is this something that could be useful in place of a hardware keyboard? There are IR projected devices, or some other invention perhaps, I dunno, where a touch input (Star Trek!!!) can be used in place of a key pressing physical device. Or are we not judging like for like? Is there software for use with normal keyboard that predicts what you type allowing you to use tab-completion or something?

Pre-installed on myTouch 3G as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640502)

Came pre-installed on myTouch 3G, both the wife and I are loving it.

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