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iOS 4 Releases Today

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the don't-hold-your-breath dept.

Handhelds 702

tekgoblin writes "Today Apple releases the much anticipated iOS 4 for iPhones and iPod Touches. No word on when we will see this update on the iPad." Can't wait to see all the neat new stuff that won't run on my stale phone.

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Can't wait to see (5, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640578)

I personally can't wait to see what measures this new software takes to control its users and limit their access to other programs.

Re:Can't wait to see (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640620)

I've heard you can send your first-born son to Steve Jobs in trade for full access.

Re:Can't wait to see (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640662)

I personally can't wait to see what measures this new software takes to control its users and limit their access to other programs.

Yeah, I bet it will be quite fascist... Oooohhh, look at the Apple logo! It's so SHINY! Wow. I gotta have one. I want it I want it!!

Sorry, I lapsed into the level of sophistication and the priorities of the average Apple fanboy. Yeah, a company dominating how you use a product you thought you purchased and owned sucks. You'd have to be blinded by trivial, shallow things not to see and understand that.

Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (4, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640806)

Let's get a grip on reality here, people. First and foremost? This device is a CELLPHONE. Many, MANY cellphones have been made before the iPhone was released, and many more have been made since then which NEVER get a firmware update at all! You simply "get what you get" with them, often meaning even functionality the original manufacturer intended the phone to have is stripped out by your cellular carrier and their custom version of the firmware. (EG. Despite it supporting bluetooth data transfer, you *may* get blocked from copying over your own ringtone files from a computer -- or maybe you're disallowed from moving over your contact info as vcard files, or ??)

Yet along comes the iPhone, which by contrast, has an INCREDIBLE amount of flexibility, and people are screaming FASCIST?!

As phone handsets go, it's pretty empowering, I'd say. (And I say this as someone who used to own the original iPhone as well as a 3G, but now uses a Samsung Messager II phone instead of "drinking the kool-aid" and extending my AT&T contract out another 2 years just to get the latest iPhone.)

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (0, Offtopic)

benbean (8595) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640958)

No mod points today, but +1 sir, +1.

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641006)

iPod Touch is not a CELLPHONE.

What about the iPad? (5, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641066)

Ignoring the fact that we're entering an era of mobile computers, iOS 4 runs on the iPad too. Is that a phone too by your twisted logic?

Re:What about the iPad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641250)

Ignoring the fact that we're entering an era of mobile computers, iOS 4 runs on the iPad too. Is that a phone too by your twisted logic?

Guess you didn't even make it to the second sentence of the summary...

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641074)

"This device is a CELLPHONE"

Which device, pray tell, is a "CELLPHONE?" When last I checked, the iPad is a tablet computer (at least in terms of its hardware)...

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641128)

This device is a CELLPHONE.

And that's why any iPhone applications that aren't necessary for calling people are banned. Oh wait, no they aren't; in fact iFans love pointing out the general-purposeness of the device: "there's an app for that". Claiming that these iThings are appliances is pure bullshit; they are computers with massively reduced user freedom.

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641138)

Let's get a grip on reality here, people. First and foremost? This device is a CELLPHONE. Many, MANY cellphones have been made before the iPhone was released, and many more have been made since then which NEVER get a firmware update at all! You simply "get what you get" with them, often meaning even functionality the original manufacturer intended the phone to have is stripped out by your cellular carrier and their custom version of the firmware. (EG. Despite it supporting bluetooth data transfer, you *may* get blocked from copying over your own ringtone files from a computer -- or maybe you're disallowed from moving over your contact info as vcard files, or ??)

Yet along comes the iPhone, which by contrast, has an INCREDIBLE amount of flexibility, and people are screaming FASCIST?!

As phone handsets go, it's pretty empowering, I'd say. (And I say this as someone who used to own the original iPhone as well as a 3G, but now uses a Samsung Messager II phone instead of "drinking the kool-aid" and extending my AT&T contract out another 2 years just to get the latest iPhone.)

If by "flexibility" you mean "you may buy the apps we approve, or the apps we approve, and only from our store so we get a cut" then yeah Apple's phones are just spiffy. So why was Google Voice blocked for such a long time again -- was that because of popular demand by the users? Why is it so hard to get a good solid backed-by-facts explanation for why a particular app is rejected from the App Store again (i.e., quote the exact section of the ToS or similar that it violates)? Nothing fascist to see here, please move along.

Look, here's the deal: if Apple wants to control the platform and the approve all the apps, and use nebulous/arbitrary criteria to reject apps for any length of time even against the express wishes of its users, then they open themselves up to being accused of being fascist control freaks worse than Microsoft. THEY open THEMSELVES up to that accusation, for it otherwise would hold no water. Got it?

The way you fanboys defend and stick up for companies who already have multimillion dollar marketing departments is just sick. Most major corporations engage in business practices that are in some way detrimental to the rest of us. Even your beloved object of fanboy worship does this and is not above doing this. Get over it and quit trying to shoot the messenger who points it out when your beef is with your beloved company.

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641148)

As phone handsets go, it's pretty empowering, I'd say

That's like saying "as evil dictators go, Mussolini wasn't so bad".

Re:Oh good! The trolls are out in full force! (1)

morgauxo (974071) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641210)

My old Wince phone was far more flexible and updateable than an iAnything. My new Android phone is better yet!

Re:Can't wait to see (-1, Troll)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640720)

Then don't use it.. You have a choice, and just complaining makes you look stupid.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

kpainter (901021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640778)

You ought to know.

Re:Can't wait to see (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640936)

Your "mindset" ( can something which is apparently microscopic even _have_ a set ? )
is tantamount to the "America : love it or leave it" line.

If no one ever complains, the consumer will always get shafted.

But I guess that's beyond your grasp, isn't it, you simple-minded fascist fuck ?

Re:Can't wait to see (1, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640730)

It's funny to see how Slashdot was was railing [slashdot.org] against MS about Trusted Computing, DRM and Palladium. Now Apple implements them in a shiny box and not only there's not a peep about the DRM in the iDevices but many Slashdot posters fawn all over and write long justifications about how it is good. I guess Trusted Computing was meant to come wrapped in a pretty box for the masses to not notice it. Now even MS is following in the same footsteps with Windows Phone 7 Series. Sad.

Re:Can't wait to see (5, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640796)

It's funny to see how Slashdot was was railing [slashdot.org] against MS about Trusted Computing, DRM and Palladium. Now Apple implements them in a shiny box and not only there's not a peep about the DRM in the iDevices but many Slashdot posters fawn all over and write long justifications about how it is good. I guess Trusted Computing was meant to come wrapped in a pretty box for the masses to not notice it. Now even MS is following in the same footsteps with Windows Phone 7 Series. Sad.

Are we visiting the same Slashdot? There is lots of outcry here about the DRM and walled garden that is the Apple mobile platform, just hang around in this story for another twenty minutes or so and you will see plenty of comments about it.

Re:Can't wait to see (3, Interesting)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640970)

MS did take the music away, Sony took the Linux away, Amazon did take the books away and now Apple takes the software away.
Slashdot is wise enough to list all the evils for users to note.
Our last real freedom is Linux.

Re:Can't wait to see (1, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641112)

"Our last real freedom is Linux."

http://www.tivo.com/ [tivo.com]

I think you meant, "Our last real freedom is GNU/Linux," or perhaps you meant, "Our last real freedom is GPLv3 software," or just, "Our last real freedom is Fedora/Ubuntu/Slackware/[distro of choice]."

Re:Can't wait to see (2)

mblase (200735) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640814)

not only there's not a peep about the DRM in the iDevices but many Slashdot posters fawn all over and write long justifications about how it is good.

You must be reading a different Slashdot than I've been reading.

Re:Can't wait to see (2, Insightful)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640904)

I think if you set your minimum Score level to 4, you will see the slashdot that he is reading.

Re:Can't wait to see (3, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641234)

No, you really won't - there are just as many +5 "Apple are worse than WW2 dictators" (read about 5 messages upwards in this very thread).

The moderation system really doesn't hide that.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640880)

Did you even read the comment you replied to? The sarcasm was so thick it looked like it was put on by Paris Hilton's make-up artist.

You, sir, are sick in the head.

Re:Can't wait to see (5, Funny)

dkh2 (29130) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641140)

Correction. That sarcasm was applied so thick that makeup artists for Tammy Faye Baker were humbled.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641062)

There's plenty of outcry about Apple's closed platform here. The posts are at a 1:5 ratio with posts complaining about how there isn't an outcry against Apple, but they're there.

Re:Can't wait to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641218)

Besides the fact it is being decried in every Apple article, just because Microsoft was slammed doesn't mean all of it was warranted. Mention Microsoft in any article and you get a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth retards chiming in to appear cool, with their own half-formed opinions. As if it's not already easy enough to berate Apple and Microsoft (and Google). It's hard to measure the range of common opinion, when trolls outnumber sane posters by 2 to 1.

Re:Can't wait to see (0, Flamebait)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640746)

I personally can't wait to hear what bullshit the whiny ass pussies make up to vent their hatred of Apple.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640810)

I'll skip that, but keep an eye out for genuine, well-founded abuses of what grownups are traditionally allowed to do on hardware they've paid for and own.

Re:Can't wait to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640910)

Notwithstanding the fact that you can jailbreak the devices, it's not like people that buy them are unaware of the limitations at time of purchase.

If you don't want to abide by the constraints Apple imposes, don't buy the product. There's a broad variety of alternatives. Oddly, though, there's large numbers of grownups around the world who appear to have decided that they just don't care about what the Slashdot community perceives and incipient fascism.

Re:Can't wait to see (1, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641046)

"it's not like people that buy them are unaware of the limitations at time of purchase."

I am not so sure that is really true, at least if the sort of people I interact with IRL are any indication. They are certainly aware that there are limitations, and some even have a vague notion that those limitations are deliberately imposed by Apple, but very few people seem to be aware of the full extent of what Apple is doing. Most people seem to have either forgotten or completely missed the news about political cartoon apps being blocked, or the Ulysses app, or the apparently arbitrary nature of what Apple decides to reject. It is even worse with the iPad: people have become conditioned to having their cell phones restricted and sabotaged, but the idea that Apple would ever try to do such a thing to a tablet computer seems to be lost on the average consumer.

Re:Can't wait to see (4, Insightful)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641212)

"it's not like people that buy them are unaware of the limitations at time of purchase." I am not so sure that is really true, at least if the sort of people I interact with IRL are any indication. They are certainly aware that there are limitations, and some even have a vague notion that those limitations are deliberately imposed by Apple, but very few people seem to be aware of the full extent of what Apple is doing. Most people seem to have either forgotten or completely missed the news about political cartoon apps being blocked, or the Ulysses app, or the apparently arbitrary nature of what Apple decides to reject. It is even worse with the iPad: people have become conditioned to having their cell phones restricted and sabotaged, but the idea that Apple would ever try to do such a thing to a tablet computer seems to be lost on the average consumer.

I'm not so sure you understand the general public. They don't care. They really don't. They've never once thought "I need to SSH into my box at home to...", or "If only this API were allowed". They read about the things they CAN do and go "cool!" and then they buy it. They hear about some artist that they don't care at all about being censored - and they don't care. They hear about some app they don't care about not being approved - and they don't care. They hear about some app they think would be cool not getting approved - and they're sad for 10 seconds, but they realize they didn't lose anything other than the possibility of an app, which may still become actual, and they move on to caring about things that actually affect their lives in a meaningful way - i.e. not a cell phone or tablet computer manufacturers policies.

An ever shorter leash for the end users (1, Funny)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640770)

I personally can't wait to see what measures this new software takes to control its users and limit their access to other programs.

A suspect a new, tighter collar for all the iSlaves out there, along with a much shorter leash. But hey, it's from Apple and it's shiny!

Re:An ever shorter leash for the end users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641102)

You say that as if it would be universally disliked.

But I supposed you mean how you can now load DRM-free PDFs into the iBooks app? Or what?

Other than that, I can't see where any more restrictions were imposed.

Re:Can't wait to see (3, Insightful)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640776)

Whine whine whine whine. It is getting old.
Don't you think the users buying those phones are quite aware of that now. And it is not like we don't have proper alternatives by now.

I admit it is really scary that the average user just want computers and gadets that works together well without the need to have any technical knowledege at all, and for the average user, the limits are nothing compared to getting the average phone to sync properly with windows or navigating through the eel infested waters of the internet safely without getting vira etc.
Even some HTC phones with android have been terrible with unstable windows drivers and I have spent more than one evening fixing other peoples computers, so that they could do something that should be Plug'n'Play 10 years ago(syncing their Hero phone with XP).

Re:Can't wait to see (0, Offtopic)

Message (303377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640976)

MS has really stepped up their embrace and extend if they are putting windows drivers on Android phones now

Re:Can't wait to see (5, Insightful)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641076)

In my experience, the average user doesn't know what they want until they see something they like, and then they want it. This especially applies to computing products since so few understand what they are capable of, so imagining the possibilities isn't all that easy for them to do.

And no, the average person reading this post is not the same as the average user mentioned above.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

thren (1667979) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640812)

Hasn't the dev team already announced a jailbreak to iOS4 (at least when it was in beta)

Re:Can't wait to see (0, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640822)

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Some of us quite enjoy the user experience it provides. I'm sure you think we're sheep but we don't care. Just like we bought the product we liked and are happy with that purchase, we're fine with you buying the product you enjoy. So, again, you don't like the iPhone or any other Apple product? Fine. Don't buy it. Go buy something else.

Re:Can't wait to see (1)

X.25 (255792) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641048)

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Some of us quite enjoy the user experience it provides. I'm sure you think we're sheep but we don't care. Just like we bought the product we liked and are happy with that purchase, we're fine with you buying the product you enjoy. So, again, you don't like the iPhone or any other Apple product? Fine. Don't buy it. Go buy something else.

People don't have problems with iPhone.

People have problems with Slashdot reporting every time Steve Jobs farts.

I miss the old Slashdot, that actually used to have some relevant news :(

Re:Can't wait to see (1, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641154)

Actually, it's become cool and "in" on Slashdot to bitch and complain about everything from Apple. It's _also_ a problem that Slashdot seems to report every time Steve Jobs sneezes (or whatever) but that's not what the OP was complaining about. He was doing the typical "Apple is a big bad poo poo head" thing that is all the rage.

Remember, Apple is no longer the underdog struggling against their evil corporate counterparts. They're now an evil corporation and thus everything they do is to be reviled. That, of course, is despite the fact that they make excellent products that are popular which are also forcing other companies to adapt and evolve (seriously, look at the (smart)phone landscape before the iPhone and compare it to after the iPhone).

The problem some of us have is that there are times that Apple needs to be called out for stupid shit because, as with every single company out there, they aren't perfect and they fuck up from time to time but they really don't need to be called out Every. Gawddamn. Time. It's kinda tedious reading the same bullshit over and over again. Repetition doesn't make it more true...

Read on - I'm sure someone is, right this moment, comment on how we all used to hate on Microsoft but Apple is now worse than they ever were while someone else is bitching about Apple's walled garden approach.

Re:Can't wait to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641174)

Of course, dude. Do you know why the screen resolution has been boosted?

In order to plant tiny subliminal messages. The iPhone wasn't featured on "The Curse of the Jade Scorpion" because it didn't exist yet. Shame.

Re:Can't wait to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641252)

First bib-dribble of the morning!

Hypers will hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640594)

As soon as possible! Lemme repeat, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

Doesn't Apple ship Service Packs? ;-)

Re:Hypers will hype (1)

KiwiRed (598427) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640708)

Ship? I thought they sold them?

AT&T (2, Insightful)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640600)

I wonder if AT&T's network will melt :/

Re:AT&T (2)

flipper9 (109877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640632)

The iOs update has nothing to do with AT&T's network. It's installed via iTunes, not over-the-air.

Re:AT&T (2, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640742)

Hasn't it already?

And i bet more do it via itunes off their PC anyway.

Re:AT&T (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640836)

Funny how your attempt to be sarcastic only highlights your lack of understanding of the whole platform. AT&T has nothing to do with it.

Re:AT&T (1)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640902)

You are correct, i do not understand the whole platform. My phone gets OS updates ota. I thought this might have been similar.

Re:AT&T (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641082)

lol so revolutionary, updating a phone by plugging into a computer. This requires such deep understanding. kys.

Why? (1, Insightful)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640622)

Make sure you are ready today to get the update as soon as possible.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640680)

I have an iPhone 3G. It can make use of some of the newest features in iOS 4 but cannot support multitasking (among others). I will not be upgrading my iPhone.

There are always going to be "bleeding edge early adopters". They serve a purpose: they allow those of us who are more patient to see how well/poorly something new works. I expect glitches and other problems for those upgrading ... but nothing too drastic. If they want to jump in with both feet I say "let them".

Re:Why? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641084)

That's the boat I'm in. I tend to jump on Apple updates, I like playing early adopter. But with my 3G I can't get Multitasking since I don't have enough RAM.

That leave me with only a few features. Combined mailboxes is nice, but I only have one account so that doesn't matter. Faces in Pictures is cute, but not a big deal. Folders is kind of nice, but I only have about 2.5 full pages worth of apps, so it's not necessary for me. Background images? Cute, but unnecessary.

Updated apps using new iOS4 APIs would be the main reason to get this update for me, but since I've got an iPhone 4 on order, that issue will soon me moot. If I had a 3GS (like my parents and many of my friends), I'd jump on it. For a 3G... it's kind of 'eh'.

And all this ignores that in the last two years, there have only been a tiny handful of times when not having multitasking has annoyed me.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641042)

Because FreeBSD 10.4 (or whatever they're calling their fork) will detect nearby devices with previous versions, and laugh at them. Do you want to walk into Starbucks to a chorus of iSniggering?

What is all this shite? (0, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640626)

IE

Firefox is better.

backup your phones or touch's

Assuming I had a touch, you appear to have omitted the thing that belongs to it.

Re:What is all this shite? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640762)

I don't think tekgoblin is going to get your sarcasm if he actually submitted that summary. I also wonder who's editing these days?

Make sure you are ready today to get the update as soon as possible, IE backup your phones or touch's so you can get it as soon as possible.

Obviously they aren't aware that iDevices create a backup every time they sync or update.

Re:What is all this shite? (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640996)

The backup is not mandatory.
It can be canceled/avoided before syncing to save time.

iPod touch's (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640628)

The plural of "touch" is "touches" you fucking dumbass. People who put an apostrophe on every fucking word that ends with an S are starting to really piss me off.

Re:iPod touch's (4, Funny)

MyGirlFriendsBroken (599031) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640710)

Let me fix that for you

The plural of "touch" is "touches" you fucking dumbass'. People who put an apostrophe on every fucking word that end's with an 'S are starting to really piss' me off.

21/6 for eff sake..... (0, Offtopic)

xushi (740195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640684)

really fed up of this.. What's next, hour::second::minute ?

Re:21/6 for eff sake..... (1)

GizmoToy (450886) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640940)

Those silly Americans, always screwing things up. ;-)

In all seriousness, putting the month before the day is stupid. How did we get into that habit, anyway.

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The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (5, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640718)

I can't wait to see all the new stuff that I had on my Android phone a year and a half ago.

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640886)

If that bothers you, why not buy a phone from the Japanese market, and see all the "new" stuff that you'll have on your Android phone in 3 years time?

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (1, Offtopic)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640942)

In Android 2.3 you will be able to type the word "can". As a bonus, you'll alsoget a cookie.

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (1)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640960)

Which you had to root to get access to, which is no different than a jailbreak. Good luck with your android OS on an inferior device.

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640962)

Sorry, but your tired comment was used about a million times by some other retard over a year and half ago. Maybe when you can come up with something original you'll have the right to criticize someone else's hard work.

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640966)

And on my WinMobile device half a decade ago.

Digital zoom, multi-tasking, homescreen wallpaper changing, bluetooth keyboard support... Yup, all on my HTC Himalaya (released 2004).

Re:The iPhone and finally walk and chew gum! (3, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641124)

Has the lack of multi-tasking annoyed many iPhone users?

I've had my 3G for 2 years, but there have only been a handful of times when I would have liked multitasking, mostly for switching between a webpage and something else (like SMS). When I use my phone, I'm often playing a game that I want to focus on.

Outside of Skype and last.fm type things, has this been a big frustration for many iPhone owners?

I'll be glad to get the feature when I get a iPhone 4, but it hasn't been a deal breaker by any means.

Unfortunately (5, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640726)

It's not for all the iPhone and iPod touch models. The first generation is being left behind.

So that means a lot of users stuck with devices running iOS3. Please don't forget that when making apps, unless you don't like profits of course.

FYI: the 1st generation iPod touch is the slowest, least powerful of all the iDevices. If it runs properly on that, it will run on all others.

Re:Unfortunately (4, Informative)

Lord Grey (463613) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640982)

While I obviously can't speak for everyone, here are some actual statistics regarding hardware usage for one of my apps compatible with iPhone OS 3.1 and higher:

  • Apple iPhone 3GS: 51.3%
  • Apple iPhone 3G: 24.1%
  • Apple iPhone 1G: 5.9%
  • Apple iPod Touch 2G: 5.6%
  • Apple iPad: 3.4%
  • Apple iPod Touch 3G: 2.0%
  • Apple iPhone: 0.4%
  • Apple iPod Touch 1G: < 0.1%
  • Apple iPod Touch: < 0.1%

7.2% were simulator usage. The app used here is a paid business app, with not-very-exciting sales figures. Still, I would think that the hardware distribution would be meaningful. If so, it would indicate that one could profitably ignore the first generation iPhone.

Re:Unfortunately (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640992)

Anything below iPhone 3GS will not support iOS4. I expect iPod Touch's of similar build times to be the same.

Re:Unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641070)

Technically the 3G is supported, but it's such a half-assed implementation that Apple (and 3G users) would have been better off not supporting it at all.

Re:Unfortunately (1, Informative)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641104)

Close, but no cigar.

All iPhones support the new OS, but not all of the features.

The only iPod Touch that won't run the new OS is the first gen.

Otherwise all iPod touches and iPhones are "good to go*"

* = some features not available.

Re:Unfortunately (5, Insightful)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641052)

You mean the iPhone suffers from this fragmentation thing Apple people accuse the Android platform of having?

Re:Unfortunately (1)

jacktherobot (1538645) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641114)

Compatibility with all devices would fly in the face of steve's vision! Apple doesn't want cross platform apps. They want developers to take advantage of apple's latest innovations!

Re:Unfortunately (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641118)

So that means a lot of users stuck with devices running iOS3. Please don't forget that when making apps, unless you don't like profits of course.

I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue, since they're rolling this out as a free update. That means almost everyone who is able to upgrade will. I'm afraid there aren't that many 1st gen devices out there in comparison to 2nd & 3rd gen, so developers will have little incentive. I say this as a developer whose only device is a 1st gen iPod Touch. :(

Re:Unfortunately (1)

richdun (672214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641130)

FYI: the 1st generation iPod touch is the slowest, least powerful of all the iDevices. If it runs properly on that, it will run on all others.

FYI: 1st generation iPod Touch is not supported. [apple.com]

Re:Unfortunately (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641132)

It's not for all the iPhone and iPod touch models. The first generation is being left behind.

And brand new 8GB 3G touch owners are left behind also, as per apples website:

"iPod touch 3rd generation 32GB and 64GB (late 2009)"

Its a pity really... I wanted phone and PDA functionality, but didn't want to pay $3000 for the iphone experience, so I bought an $185 8G third gen touch and a $10/month pay as you go phone, I figure I get 99% of the functionality for about 20% of the price. Pity it can't be upgraded, but I don't think my end-user-experience would be much improved by the features, anyway.

Re:Unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32641246)

That's because it's not a third generation device. It's sold on the same page as the 32GB and 64GB third generation iPod touches, but the 8GB model is and always has been second generation.

It's bad enough if... (2)

fiendie (934679) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640740)

...Apple rumor blogs do this.
Why not wait until the damn thing is actually released?

Yeah really. (4, Funny)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640744)

And if you have a jailbroken phone, make sure you are ready today to NOT get the update as soon as possible :D

Re:Yeah really. (1)

srjh (1316705) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640924)

Or a 3G... I've been running the GM for a few days now, and even after removing some of the best features (wallpapers, rotation lock, multitasking), it still runs like crap. I'd rather stick with my jailbroken 3.1.3 (almost all the 4.0 features were available as jailbroken apps, often implemented better), but Apple makes it extremely difficult to roll back firmware upgrades.

Hopefully they improve the performance issues in a later release, but I get the feeling some of us older users are being pushed towards an iPhone 4.

Blatant Self Ad (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640750)

The summary is almost 90% of the article linked. Also the user who submitted this is linking back to their "blog" that goes for the short form summary that doesn't contain any useful info.

Yes, the cat does have my tongue (3, Informative)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640772)

I've been checking for the update periodically all morning. I'm definitely looking forward to it, but not looking forward to their servers getting overloaded. Probably I should just forget about it and try to update tomorrow or Wednesday.

Huh? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640782)

and iPod touch's.

iPod touch's what? Why does my iPod's touch have anything?

IE backup your phones

No it doesn't. It's a web browser. Why would I use it to backup my phone?

phones or touch's

My touch's WHAT?! The suspense is killing me.

. "

. . .

Pfft.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640794)

Who needs an iPod touch when I have my Compaq portable?

Slashvertising at its worst? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32640802)

Why post a 'releases today' article when you can wait a few hours and post a 'released today' article? This is news about future news instead of actual news.

No word on iPad? Um, no. (4, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640828)

There has been "word" on when iOS 4 will be available for iPad, and the word is "this fall".

There were two separate development trains for iOS (previously known as "iPhone OS"); one for iPhone and iPod touch, and one for iPad.

Left in the dust (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640848)

I'm not entirely sure why they didn't release it for the 1st Gen iPhone & iPod Touch, does the OS take advantage of hardware not present on those? I'm hoping that my 1st Gen iPod Touch isn't rendered obsolete by this update. I know when iPhone OS 3 came out, there was a big push that all apps needed to be OS 3 tested, I wonder when the same will be required for iOS 4?

It's so exciting! (1, Funny)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640852)

Dear Steve,

Thank you for letting us know what we can do with our computers! I cannot wait to see the choices you have made for me with this latest update. My favorite artists are now too profane for my equipment, but now I am the mayor of my local Starbucks!

Most men, after a little freedom, have preferred authority with the consoling assurances and the economy of effort it brings. -Walter Lippmann

Something baffles me slightly (2, Interesting)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640878)

Why has Apple created a disparity between its two newest products, released only a couple of months apart? The iPhone 4 will have twice as much ram as the iPad, a better screen and now a newer OS - why is the iPad looking like the second rate child here?

Don't get me wrong, I have an iPad and I love it, but I am baffled as to why Apple once again puts noses out of shape by making such an obvious difference in spec between the two products. Its almost as tho the iPad is the last of the previous generation, rather than the current generation.

Re:Something baffles me slightly (2, Insightful)

sjonke (457707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641040)

The iPad's specs are better then any currently available iPhone or iPod touch, so I'm not sure what you're saying. Should Apple have released a less capable iPhone 4? If you're asking why they aren't releasing iOS 4 for the iPad today, yeah that's a decent question. I have to presume they'd have liked to have had iOS 4 out for the iPad today too, but for reasons unknown they aren't going to be able to do that today.

Re:Something baffles me slightly (2, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641202)

The iPad's specs are better then any currently available iPhone or iPod touch, so I'm not sure what you're saying. Should Apple have released a less capable iPhone 4? If you're asking why they aren't releasing iOS 4 for the iPad today, yeah that's a decent question.

The iPad was first released a little over two months ago, while the iPhone 3GS was released a year ago - the iPhone 4 will be with us in the next few days.

With that in mind, the iPad has the same amount of ram and the same quality screen as the previous generation of iPhone and iPod Touch, despite being released ten months later, and only two or so months before the new iPhone version. Why?

The screen I could live without, but doubling the ram would have been extremely handy - there have already been suggestions that the iMovie app will not run on the iPad because of ram restrictions.

Re:Something baffles me slightly (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641144)

Why has Apple created a disparity between its two newest products, released only a couple of months apart? The iPhone 4 will have twice as much ram as the iPad, a better screen and now a newer OS - why is the iPad looking like the second rate child here?

You're going to feel foolish for asking this question when the second generation iPad comes out.

Re:Something baffles me slightly (1)

ewrong (1053160) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641186)

So they can release the iPad 2 with more ram and a new screen once the initial sales rush has died down?

Re:Something baffles me slightly (1)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641224)

Why has Apple created a disparity between its two newest products, released only a couple of months apart? The iPhone 4 will have twice as much ram as the iPad, a better screen and now a newer OS - why is the iPad looking like the second rate child here? Don't get me wrong, I have an iPad and I love it, but I am baffled as to why Apple once again puts noses out of shape by making such an obvious difference in spec between the two products. Its almost as tho the iPad is the last of the previous generation, rather than the current generation.

It's called iPad 2. How else they gonna get you to buy it?

Re:Something baffles me slightly (1)

ma3382 (1095011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32641232)

I don't really understand why you are asking this. I thought we all knew Apple likes to hold out on putting things into their first couple of models... They released the iPad with hardware comparable to currently released iPhone. Then they release the new iPhone with new hardware so people will want to buy that too. If you had gotten an iPad with that Retinal display whatever, would you really want to dig into your pocket a second time?

Features (4, Interesting)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 4 years ago | (#32640914)

It does look kind of neat but I have all kinds of goodies on a jailbroke touch. I don't think I am going to upgrade to iOS 4 until someone comes up with a jailbreak. The goodies from Cydia repos are worth more than just a few extras that I really don't need.
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