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Noisebridge Attempts to Teach Science To Juggalos

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-that's-how-a-magnet-works dept.

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Working on the assumption that the Insane Clown Posse's song Miracles was indeed a tribute to the wonder of nature and not the cleverest troll ever, some folks from the hackerspace Noisebridge decided to try and educate ICP fans. Surprisingly, most of the fans seemed to enjoy the science lesson, but representatives of the band didn't seem to think it was funny.

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More Juggalo research is needed (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644320)

Someone should map out their career, using normal distribution. Here's a hint: = 1998.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644362)

Well, I just learned that /. apparently can't display the symbol for mean (Mu).

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (2, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646610)

Did you learn what the preview button does?

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644460)

I can't see the use for trying to educate them; for one, it's a waste of effort, for another, who will we get to work 3rd shift at Jack in the Box?
Besides, they're just SO softcore. I mean, real sonsofbitches listen to Whitney Houston. The worst thing is trying to figure out which album I like more...

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (2, Interesting)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644648)

Bah. More important than Jack in the Box, stupid people are here to amuse me. Leave them be, I say.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (2, Informative)

spintriae (958955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644834)

I can't see the use for trying to educate them; for one, it's a waste of effort...

Especially considering one of the lyrics to the song is "I don't wanna talk to no scientist; ya'll motherfuckers lying and getting me pissed." They know there are educated explanations for rainbows and making babies--they may even know what they are--but it's just anti-religious elitism worth ignoring. Let them have their magical magnets. Any fans that take it that seriously probably weren't going to go on to be the next Gauss anyway.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (0, Redundant)

Denihil (1208200) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645098)

anti-science elitism, you mean, right?

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

spintriae (958955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645198)

No, I was referring to science itself, from the band's point of view. Don't forget that they're marketing their own religion [wikipedia.org] .

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

slashdotisgay2 (1832210) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645770)

Last I remember they "revealed" themselves as christians or w/e.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645242)

Oh well, the world needs test subjects too.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

certron (57841) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645270)

Funny enough, the 'random' quote at the bottom of this page of comments is this:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Hamlet"

That is not to say that there is no wonder in the world, and that there are some things still unexplained, but to ignore an explanation when one exists is anti-science and tends toward willful, enthusiastic ignorance.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645408)

Clearly these fellows are just disappointed in the Hadley CRU and their cohorts "hiding the decline."

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (2, Insightful)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646284)

Lol.. I think you are missing the entire point of the song. It's not about any religion or elitism, it's about appreciating the things in life without needing to boil it down to some boring explanation. A rainbow or the birth of your child is a special moment that should be enjoyed and cherished, not some technical bullshit that takes any subliminal meaning away from it. It's about events that are a power greater then you- like 75,000 people in a room acting as one. the miracle isn't something any god did or caused, it's about how something is greater then the individual or you and against the odds, it came about. It's about how we should be in awe over those things instead of having it dwindled away to light refracting in a certain way.

I can understand why they didn't take kindly to a bunch of nerds who couldn't get that after being explained to them attempting to defeat the entire purpose of the song.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646366)

If you can't have both you are defective. If the explanation of a rainbow makes it less good then you are the problem, not the man explaining it.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646746)

Let me ask you this, I know it's going to be hard to consider seeing how I'm going suppose a situation with a mate. Anyways, suppose you and your girlfriend or boyfriend (however you role) are sitting on a mountain side after a day of hanging together and after a short rain, you are holding hands, getting a little romantic, and notice a rainbow. Do you say "look honey- a rainbow, isn't it pretty?" Or do you say, "look at the refractions of light caused by rain droplets creating a prism effect at an angle we can see, isn't the spectral composition of the light pleasing to the photo receptors in the cornea?".

I can guarantee that for the most part, how you answer will indicate whether you get laid without paying for it or not. The point wasn't that you can't have it both ways, it's that you don't want to ruin one way with insisting on the other. You can very well know how something is created or caused and still see the magic in it.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (2, Insightful)

fbjon (692006) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647092)

You can very well know how something is created or caused and still see the magic in it.

I think the point being made was that this song demonstrates all emotion and zero knowledge. A deficient song, in other words. Also, the example you gave is rather ridiculous.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647136)

Trust me, if you can say "Scientists are liars" to your girlfriend with a straight face and you can still get laid, you can keep her. There are plenty of non-retarded women for the rest of us. It's quite likely that very few people would take issue with this song (you take that line out, it's practically a Celine Dion song) if it didn't contain that line.

Do go ahead and keep digging though.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647398)

Actually, some scientists are liars. So if you are going to only date brainwashed baboons who refuse to believe that scientist can be liars, then that's you own prerogative.

But I can tell how little interaction you have with the opposite sex by your reply that still missed the point after being almost spelled out with pictures drawn. You take the magic of the moment or event, not ruin it with the explanations that take that away. And no- that won't require telling someone that scientists are liars. You are attempting to ignore the entire song just to focus on words used to fill a verse in the song. And you already admit that it's a meaningless Celine Dion type song so why all the fuss?

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646468)

Yeah, that whole part about scientists being liars really backs you up, too.

If you're an ICP fan, I recommend you kill yourself. This is a very Bill Hicks sort of recommendation. There is no joke, no humor is intended. Kill yourself. Quickly.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646780)

I suggest you read the lyrics to the entire song before following other idiots down the path of stupidity. So what is the words say scientists are liars, some are. So what, the song also says things you believed as kids was a miracle, do you think we should take that seriously too?

Get over it. I'm sorry that a song insulted your precious belief structure and you are now so offended that you think others should kill themselves. Perhaps the world would be better off if you took your own advice. Here, "scientists are liars", now you can hate me too.

Geeze, you would have thought they drew a picture of Mohamed or something with the reactions some are having.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647178)

Hey, no need to defend sloppy writing so strongly.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

p3ngwin (1395939) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647312)

i think you are missing their entire point of science and evolution, as well as the people that appreciate them. how exactly *do* you appreciate something without understanding? isn't the very act of appreciating the process of understanding?

if you understand little about something, then it has little meaning, hence little appreciation. appreciation is the concept of understanding something in an increasing manner, such that it is connected to other knowledge, hence understanding it's place in everything and it's comparative value.

humans identify by comparison,value is identified the same way. if you can't compare things, they have less meaning and hence you have little clue as to their value.

on contrary, science is the very essence of understanding and placing things in context,helping to better understand the universe and it's components. by doing this we better understand the meaning of things and can appraise them with a more accurate value, hence more efficiently relating to them and letting us continue to evolve towards more awesome things.

why is understanding "boring" ? why is the pursuit of knowledge and a better understanding of external reality a sin? isn't to have a closer relationship with reality the ultimate goal, what could possibly be more important?

why is the rainbow or child-birth less appreciated because of a more accurate understanding of the *how* of it all? you sound just like the ICP believing that the pursuit of knowledge is evil and undermines the "wonder and magic" of the universe through human meddling.

also, what's this rubbish about "takes away the subliminal meaning..." ?

are saying you somehow believe there is an unconscious meaning behind these things, and that we are worse off by "learning" what makes these things happen?

clearly you are indeed as bad as the ICP for your penchant for ignorance.

your belief in miracles that are "greater than you" shows you really do not want to learn and grow into anything more than you are. you are against the very nature of learning, science, and evolution. i bet you wear your ICP make-up with pride while saying other people shouldn't be allowed to practice what the ICP does" freedom of speech.

you say we don't get it, yet you are only showing your bias and ignorance by saying ICP is fine for propagating their beliefs,while science-lovers shouldn't be allowed t express their belief of knowledge over ignorance.

ICP fans do't like the nerd-class, well other people didn't like the ICP result of ignorance and decided to do some propagating of their own. yet you believe that only ICP should be allowed to spread their beliefs?

you don't get it, you think it should be one-sided for the ICP and nay-sayers should just shut up and tolerate it. well, thanks to freedom of expression (what's lft of it) we are free to choose NOT to lie the idea of ignorance, and to teach people a better way according to US.

we could do without you trying to insert the ignorance of "subliminal" magic and wonder into the world,but you know what? we're fine to ALLOW you to act on your beliefs, as long as you're fine allowing the rest of us the same courtesy.

to claim that we shouldn't analyze and explain things away because it "makes it boring and less wondrous" is to condemn yourself to a life that believes you can't be happier with knowledge.

well the rest of us believe there is more wonder in the universe to enjoy through the exploration and understanding of it.

you're free to enjoy your beliefs, now allow those of us that enjoy learning and teaching knowledge to enjoy our beliefs.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (1)

Zaphod The 42nd (1205578) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644662)

fuck statistics, how does that work?
nice burn.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645716)

ICP is getting more and more famous, or is it infamous? Keep talking and drawing attention to them...they need the money. I didn't even know they had a new album out until SNL [hulu.com] made fun of them.

Representatives? (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644336)

Representatives of bands around here tend to get lynched. Just use the word copyright. Comeon now, just one little word... it's all we need. I dare 'ya!

knowledge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32644392)

2O2 + H2 => 2H2O

fuckin' miracles!

Re:knowledge (1)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644470)

damn idiots, its O2 + 2H2 => 2H2O

Re:knowledge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645710)

not if you're a juggalo

Re:knowledge (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646850)

H2O is only for hot water. The formula for cold water is CO2.

Re:knowledge (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647184)

God I wish I had mod points for that.

This was the first post in I don't remmeber how long that actually made me laugh. Good going.

Re:knowledge (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644542)

You must be the smartest Juggalo EVAR!

Proverbs come to mind... (5, Insightful)

Walter Wart (181556) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644412)

Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear
Casting pearls before swine
Never wrassle with a hog. You get muddy and the hog enjoys it

But then I realize the comparisons are insulting to the pigs

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (2, Insightful)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644504)

hogs don't actually enjoy it. I know it's just a saying, but it's a saying based on the false belief that hogs and pigs like to be dirty. When the only time you see a hog is in an unnatural environment...don't presume to know what it likes ;)

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (2, Insightful)

db32 (862117) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644718)

Actually pigs do like rolling in the mud. Though it has to do with staying cool and keeping the sun off rather than liking the dirt.

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (4, Insightful)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646678)

funny that someone thought to down rate me, someone who has raised hogs and has seen many of them in the wild, as "overrated" - and then uprate you for just repeating the same thing someone else said.

"X!"

"No, X isn't actually true" - overrate -1

"X!" - insightful +4!

Hogs don't like being in mud in the first place. The only reason they are, is because they were *put there*. They are naturally a fairly clean animal; if well kept in a humane way, they'll always poop in one place, as far away from their food as they can. What 99.9999% of the population has seen, or heard described, is instead a nasty pen that the hog finds extremely depressing. They get into a cycle where they try to clean themselves off, but instead get dirtier. Sometimes, in a large open area, they'll do what elephants do - they'll cover themselves in a light layer of dirt/mud as a sort of natural sunscreen. They don't do this because they enjoy the process, they do it because they're in the sun and have no shade.

Now, go find a feral hog and instead you'll find a relatively clean animal (sans the snout itself) that looks nothing like his hog-farm kept brothers. And that's the point - hog farms are un-natural, and hogs are known to be extremely depressed at hog farms. To presume that you know what someone "enjoys" because of their behavior when they're at a cruel place they obviously don't want to be at, is silly.

Even sillier is presuming that hogs like it when their fleeing in terror at a rodeo during some sort of pig wrestling event. I suppose the bulls enjoy the rodeo too, and that's why they're so happy and pleased to give the rider such a fun time?

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647052)

I believe the mud acts as a bug repellant as well.

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647290)

true, but that again means mud merely facilitates the mitigation of a problem, and not that rolling in mud is done for the purpose of mud-rolling in and of itself. Which you seem to be suggesting, but I'm just trying (for whatever reason) to make clear.

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645288)

I raised hogs as a kid. Both in a "regular" sty and in a no-mud sty with grates for waste elimination and misters for cooling.

It's not a scientific observation, but I felt like the satisfaction hogs felt rolling in the mud was palpable -- and only matched by the satisfaction they seemed to take in rubbing up against posts to scratch itches.

FWIW, the hogs in the no-mud enclosures were content to lie next to the misters (in shade, of course), but they did not radiate contentment the way the pigs that rolled in mud did.

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (2, Informative)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647272)

you're mentioning something that you're then not even considering; there's another factor in play here. Remember, correlation does not equal causation ;)

The hogs that had mud to roll around in were then able to move about within their pen without being affected much by the sun. They'd merely need to roll around in the mud again once they started getting hot.

The other hogs had to sit in one particular area, not moving around, otherwise they got hot.

It's the ability to be mobile that matters in this case. I propose that if you will see the pattern emerge if you create 2 new sample groups. For the second set, put them both in the shade. In one shade group, allow them just enough room to roll around in mud, but make that as little room as is necessary for that action. In the other group, allow them no mud at all, yet give them a large pen. At this point you'll see more clearly that "able to move around" is what is actually causing the increased happiness (or decreased depression...) and that for those hogs in the sun, the mud merely facilitates this. Given their druthers (ie, in a shade where they don't need to get muddy) they'd actually prefer to be clean.

That could be tested with a 5th group that has a pen 4 times larger than normal, half in the mud, half dry, half in the sun, half in the shade, such that it makes quarters. I suspect you'll tend to find the hogs in the shaded, dry area...which will in the end be the more accurate test of what they prefer ;)

PS - if you had any hogs at all that "radiate[d] contentment" then wow - that's major, considering the extreme prevalence of depression among swine at farms.

PSS - I had hogs as well when I was younger, as did several generations of my family before me (I was the first generation of my father's line to not actually grow up on a farm).

Re:Proverbs come to mind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645086)

Actually, this is quite apropos:

"Putting wings on a pig won't make it fly.

But if you put enough makeup on it, somebody will screw it."

Worst rap video ever (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644482)

I prefer "chocolate rain" over this amateur crap any day.
Yes.
I do.

Jobs... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32644616)

Fucking Jobs, how do they work?

Re:Jobs... (2, Funny)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645182)

Prostitution comes to mind... I think it is a pretty standard transaction.

Fucking magnets, how do they work? (1, Funny)

electrogeist (1345919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644642)

It's not a Miracle?

Re:Fucking magnets, how do they work? (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645966)

Surprisingly, most of the fans seemed to enjoy the science lesson, but representatives of the band didn't seem to think it was funny.

What's surprising about that? ICP is completely tongue-in-cheek. They're the KISS of rap. Almost all their lyrics are totally facetious, and I've never really gotten the blind hatred toward them (which they love and use for marketing, by the way).

One of the members said this video was intentional and that they have a movie coming out just in time. I think they know exactly what they're doing.

Re:Fucking magnets, how do they work? (0)

logjon (1411219) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646190)

Exactly. What's more likely here, that these two grown adults actually believe the looney shit they're saying, or that they're doing it for the lulz?

Re:Fucking magnets, how do they work? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646688)

Didn't one of them say after a school shooting something along the lines of:

I where fucking clown make-up, I'm sorry I was taken seriously, but that should be a hint

Re:Fucking magnets, how do they work? (1)

JavaBasedOS (1217930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647012)

No. It isn't. Also, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy died when they collided in mid-air, and remember last year's rabbit stew? Yeah, that was the Easter bunny.

Snarkified (2, Insightful)

cosm (1072588) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644688)

I think the reason Miracles was so infamous is due to a couple factors, as follows,

A. Many people hate ICP.
B. Many people are on the internet.
C. ICP made a video metaphorically referring to some phenomenal (yet understandable) facts of nature (albeit explainable, to an extent) as miracles.
D. Said intertards took them literally, espousing their hate on a fantastical new platform.
E. Or it was an epic trolling, and 2,000,000+ got got.

Point to take away: people like to criticize, act snarky, and show disdain towards those they dislike. ICP is no different. The real miracle is that 2,000,000 cumulatively made fun of about an ICP video.

And as an aside, I highly doubt many of the critics of that video on the net could fully understand electromagnetism, such as the fact that relativistic transformations of transverse EM waves can swap the E & M field, for they are two sides of the same coin depending on the Lorenz transformation, or perhaps give a full analysis of Lenz's law and its implications.

Backlash (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644918)

There's already backlash against ICP backlash? Jesus Christ, somebody needs to start a backlash monitoring service.

When backlash against the backlash against ICP backlash starts, please let me know I think that's probably when I'll jump in.

Re:Snarkified (3, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644956)

Just because we have the vocabulary to describe something does not mean we "understand" it.

Re:Snarkified (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645400)

That vocabulary we have to describe something (especially the "how" of something) means different things to different people. To those who do understand the vocabulary, the words have real meaning and do impart understanding. To others, the words are simply labels, or even worse -- an avenue of misunderstanding.

This is why words are both powerful and dangerous.

Re:Snarkified (1)

syntaxeater (1070272) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646198)

I have 8 designers; all wanting our website to be more semantic, that disagree with you.

Re:Snarkified (2, Insightful)

DJLuc1d (1010987) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645092)

And as an aside, I highly doubt many of the critics of that video on the net could fully understand electromagnetism, such as the fact that relativistic transformations of transverse EM waves can swap the E & M field, for they are two sides of the same coin depending on the Lorenz transformation, or perhaps give a full analysis of Lenz's law and its implications.

While that might be true there is this thing called 'google' and I'm told it can help you find information, rather than be content in releasing a song where you espouse idiocy and insult the very people who uncovered the answer to your query. I believe 'Violent murder-dick' or whatever his name is accused 'scientists' of some sort of deception, rather than 'googling magnets'

Re:Snarkified (4, Insightful)

nametaken (610866) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645372)

The noise over Miracles wasn't about internet trolls getting uppity just for fun (though it is fun). These guys didn't say, "hey these things are amazing" when they called them miracles. They suggested that these various natural things were no less than god's direct intervention in the physical world and implied that they couldn't be satisfactorily explained by science. Then they said they don't want to hear from any scientists about any of these subjects because, "[those] motherfuckers lyin'". Yeah, scientists of the world are part of a giant conspiracy to lie about where rainbows come from... fuckwits.

That's not simple awe for amazing things, that's straight-up mental retardation painted in makeup to match. Oh and I almost forgot... yes, they're some of the shittiest rappers in history.

But yes, this assumes it wasn't an intentional showboat of unbelievable stupidity on their part to get some attention for careers that went down the toilet over 10 years ago. If that's the case, then shame on them for misleading the young trash of America down the science-hater path so they can desperately try to make their next mortgage payment.

Poe's Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32646042)

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law [rationalwiki.org]

(also, YHBT)

Re:Snarkified (3, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646646)

Well, as long as your attempting to quote the l;lyrics to prove your point, lets put some more in there to make that point valid.

Lets see, the song starts off with :If magic is all we've ever know
Then it's easy to miss what really goes on

SO what do you suppose that means and how does it put the rest of the song- more specifically your point into context?

But wait, the song goes on and says But I've seen miracles in every way
And I see miracles everyday;
It lists some shit perceived as miracles and in that list it includes : UFOs, the pyramids, Everything you believed in as kids. It goes on to end the verse with: And music is magic, pure and clean You can feel it and hear it but it can't be seen.

How does that put what you cited into context? I mean they lists things that are obviously man made, pyramids, music, and things that are works of the imagination, UFOs (because it's no longer a UFO once it's been identified) and the things you believed as kids. So what do you think they are attempting to say here? and how does that reconcile with your comment?

Or is it that they insulted some precious belief by making some stupid statement in the middle of other stupid statements and you are now all offended like the church lady or something. Don't take one or two lines out of context with the rest of the song.

Willful ignorance abounds (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644700)

Some are jugaloos...

Some are jugalettes...

Some are creationists.

--
BMO

Re:Willful ignorance abounds (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645628)

Some are Slashdot posters.

Re:Willful ignorance abounds (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645942)

Whether a Jugaloo, Jugalette or a Creationist, the attitude is precisely the same. Don't bother learning about the science, it's just all "miracles."

--
BMO

ICP (3, Insightful)

IMightB (533307) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644706)

Is a band for idiots, morons and the wilfully ignorant. I met Violent J at a Station promo back ~95/96 in the Toledo area. Just a complete dick. Their music is crap. Their fans are worse. They are the only band that would be known in an Idiocracy style world.

Ignorance. (4, Insightful)

Xoltri (1052470) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644720)

How ignorant to you have to be to be proud of your ignorance?

Re:Ignorance. (4, Funny)

mujadaddy (1238164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645166)

I don't know.

Re:Ignorance. (2, Funny)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645324)

"How ignorant to you have to be to be proud of your ignorance?"

That's Ignorance on a Biblical scale.

Re:Ignorance. (1)

Sir Realist (1391555) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645610)

Recursively ignorant.

Re:Ignorance. (1)

Nugoo (1794744) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646758)

At least as ignorant as I am about the meaning of the word 'juggalo'.

Tactical Mistake (3, Informative)

ianm.phil (1140173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644732)

I think this group should skip trying to teach them science, it's a lost cause, and instead provide instruction on birth control and distribute free condoms. Only you can help control the Juggalo population!

Re:Tactical Mistake (1)

AhabTheArab (798575) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644948)

I think this group should skip trying to teach them science, it's a lost cause, and instead provide instruction on birth control and distribute free condoms. Only you can help control the Juggalo population!

That won't help. It's not genetic and it's not a learned behavior. You're either born liking ICP or you're born disliking ICP. Frankly I think you should show a little more tolerance, they can't help it. I'm sure there are some of them that are proud to like ICP, but there are probably some that are ashamed to like ICP - maybe their parents disowned them when they came out.

Re:Tactical Mistake (3, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645448)

That won't help. It's not genetic and it's not a learned behavior. You're either born liking ICP or you're born disliking ICP

So if it's not genetic... and it's not learned... and you're born with ICP+ or ICP-...

You're saying that the ICP+/- trait is developed in utero due to either random chance or fetal environment?

Are you saying that children of drug users grow up to be fans of ICP?! If so, that's a pretty powerful disincentive for expectant mothers to do drugs... you may have hit upon a miracular sociological prevention tool... think of the countless lives you have improved and/or saved!

Re:Tactical Mistake (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32644964)

Fucking condoms how does they work?

But, seriously, Juggalos only have a ~50% chance of finding the right hole.

I'm sorry but no (4, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32644856)

The original song has the lyrics:

Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

That's unambiguously anti-science. Any attempt to say they weren't being literal is simply stupid. Insane Clown Posse is stupid and supports willful ignorance. Pretending otherwise to try to get a small amount of science education done might help a tiny bit but at the end of the day, let's not kid ourselves about what this crap band stands for. The fact that when the band found out about this event they tried to actively prevent it shows what they really care about. These are the worst sort of ignorant fucktards possible, the sort of ignorant fucktards who not only take pride in their own ignorance but actively prevent other people from trying to educate. The fact that then had their security goons try to take away the camera is simply one more aspect of how absolutely despicable ICP is.

Re:I'm sorry but no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645172)

Considering past songs they've done have been about killing people and necrophilia (Look up "Cemetary Girl"), I'm pretty sure only an idiot would take them literally.

That being said, they long ago ceased to be amusing in any way.

Re:I'm sorry but no (1)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645192)

Undoubtedly. Also, forget not that ICP / Psychopath Records has a huge marketing thing (and their own YouTube channel) where they sell literally hundreds, if not thousands, of ICP-related crap products to the Juggalo crowd. It's all about the money, and nothing more. If their fans could be educated to the point that they saw that, well, ICP would be out of a career.

Re:I'm sorry but no (1, Flamebait)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645294)

"The original song has the lyrics:

Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

That's unambiguously anti-science."

I agree, but to further your point I would also add that the entire Juggalo "movement" (if you could call it that) is really a not-too-subtle attempt to groom the next generation of gullible, ill-informed, bigoted and unnecessarily prejudicial right-wing, religious conservative voters--voters incapable of smelling a rat when it runs for office.

The last generation has been screwed over too many times and can no longer be relied upon to put people like Bush Jr. in office...for a second term.

Re:I'm sorry but no (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645672)

What the heck is religious about ICP? And what do you think the voter turnout of Juggalos is?

Re:I'm sorry but no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32646054)

What the heck is religious about ICP?

They had this long running gimmick of "Joker's Cards" and the "Dark Carnival". The Joker's Cards were a series of six (particular) albums and the "Dark Carnival" was this never-quite-defined theme in their lyrics that killed people but tended to only do it to the despicable types (child molesters, wife beaters, rapists, etc.)

On the last song of the sixth Joker's Card album they revealed that the Dark Carnival was God. So that's where the religion angle comes into play.

Re:I'm sorry but no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32646590)

Unfortunately this shows you have entirely too much knowledge of their albums/songs.

Re:I'm sorry but no (0, Troll)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645644)

I think its important to realize that the impetus to their ignorance and hate stems from religion.

In an interview regarding this new song one of these clowns revealed that their entire theme, I believe "the dark carnival" is nothing more than Christian proselytization. Yes, ICP is a Christian rock band. How we went from Black Sabbath to Christian clowns insulting scientists is beyond me.

Funny concept, but dismal execution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32644908)

It would've helped if the educators didn't seem to be terrified. And if they'd argued more with security. And if they'd spent more time on their signs than a Tea Partier does.

Everything you wanted to know about Juggalos (3, Informative)

axl917 (1542205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645016)

but were afraid to ask can be found at ED; http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Juggalo [encycloped...matica.com]

Re:Everything you wanted to know about Juggalos (1)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645924)

my god that was an awesome read.

Re:Everything you wanted to know about Juggalos (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646584)

A little NSFW tag would've helped. There's no nudity, but there is racist content in there that might not sit well with passersby.

CD collection (3, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645046)

Someone asked me if I had ICP. I said only if it's cold out.

Re:CD collection (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645680)

Inter-Cranial Pressure or Intermittent Catheterization Procedure?

LoadingReadyRun already did something like this (1)

Athanasius (306480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645118)

A quick search through visible comments (sorry I couldn't be arsed to click enough times to load them) all showed no mention of 'Loading', so I assume no yet mentioned the awesome LoadingReadyRun's rebuttal:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/1629-Scientists-Rebuttal-to-ICP [escapistmagazine.com]

Re:LoadingReadyRun already did something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32647000)

That video is bad and you should feel bad for liking it.

Do you know how magnets work ? (4, Funny)

bugs2squash (1132591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645398)

I mean I gather it has something to do with quantum spin and relativity and symmetry breaking and virtual gauge boson force-carriers. But I'm somewhat uncertain on the details (and I don't mean in a Heisenberg way). Perhaps the band is just voicing their frustration that there seem to be so few entry level texts that cover the subject in lay terms.

Oh Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645462)

Oh Nerds, your enthusiasm still cannot hide your social awkwardness, in fact it only heightens it. However, you are still nth times less awkward then a Juggalo.

They're smarter than you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32645464)

They've discovered, as many groups have, that the more irresponsible and more stupid and more worthless you can be, the harder the government will try to carry you along.

I'll bet these retards earn a comfortable living on social welfare.

ICP is .. (1)

kuzb (724081) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645502)

...music for idiots, by idiots.

I am highly offended (1)

riker1384 (735780) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645638)

Am I the only one who read this headline as a racist slur?

Re:I am highly offended (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646138)

Yes. "Juggalos" (as they ignorantly like to be called) are fans of ICP. There is no racism involved.

Re:I am highly offended (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647376)

Say what you like about ICP but one thing they have never been is racist.

Half their songs are about racists getting killed in amusing ways.

Further update (2, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#32645814)

If there were any doubts about ICP's attitude on this matter, one of the ICP members brags about how they had their security get rid of the scientists on their twitter feed http://twitter.com/bigviolentj/status/15541954268 [twitter.com]

Corp, Dougie & Sugar Slam ran those scientist haters off and we had a fuckin' amazing ass concert. 2500 Los rocked the building's foundation

In almost any other context I would have thought that the phrase "scientist haters" would mean people who hate scientists, not scientists who are haters. Ah well.

but i mean really, (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646208)

..did anyone ever figure out how magnets work? im losing sleep over this one.

Shee-yit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32646676)

74 comments and none said anything about JIGABOOS ??!!!!11/ONE!/?

This place is totally going to the dogs.

It'S sO sPiRiTuAl, AlL tHeSe mIrAcLeS aNd ShIt. (1)

terminallyCapricious (1838672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32646792)

No No BrO, i DoN't WaNnA kNoW, dOn'T eVeN tElL mE.
kNoWiNg ShIt JuSt StEaLs Up AlL tHe FuCkIn MaGiC fRoM mY mIrAcLeS lIkE a MoThErFuCkIn ThIeF.
AnD tHaT aIn'T cOoL.

Re:It'S sO sPiRiTuAl, AlL tHeSe mIrAcLeS aNd ShIt. (1)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32647436)

This Rocks

Can't we all just get along (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32647270)

When will people realize that religion and science are not mutually exclusive. Einstein had something famous to say about this. Seriously Religion was started to explain the 'unexplainable'. Just like science. Now that we have science does not mean we have to forsake religion. The more you learn about science, the more miraculous creation becomes. This is pretty much the point of the song I believe. I really do not know why there exists this animosity.

We should all be natural philosophers.

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