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Developers Expect iOS and MacOS To Merge

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the i'm-sure-its-been-discussed dept.

OS X 436

AHuxley noticed the frightening little Ars story talking about a certain expectation that iOS and MacOS will merge, leading to a single DRM-locked OS on your MacBook and your iPad. Certainly Apple would love a piece of every app sold. Now I'm sure that this has been discussed over there, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

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I welcome the (4, Funny)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663818)

iMerge(TM)

fuck ahuxley (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664048)

Crapdot editors tend to have even lamer nicks, nowadays, now the fucko in charge refers to a book he pretends to understand to look kewl.

hey, why don't you choke on kathleen fent saracstic micropenis while cowboykneal gives you a golden shower?

soem times, I almost miss jon katz. the guy was a moron, but at least happened to be hilarious ("and... near the wtc rumbles, I fell on my knees...").

ok, back to kuro5hin...

More like an option (5, Interesting)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663820)

If I were Apple I'd make a desktop iOS a user option like the current Parental Controls. Locking specific users into a walled garden of uncomplicated settings and apps sure would be nice for grandparent support.

At Ease (5, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663846)

If I were Apple I'd make a desktop iOS a user option like the current Parental Controls.

Apple tried this before; it was called At Ease [wikipedia.org] .

Re:At Ease (5, Informative)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664006)

If I were Apple I'd make a desktop iOS a user option like the current Parental Controls.

Apple tried this before; it was called At Ease [wikipedia.org] .

And it genuinely kicked ass at the time.

I had a Macintosh Performa 6300 that was being used as a shared family computer back then. At Ease allowed me to set up a relatively safe and secure way to share that computer with our kids, without giving them access to absolutely everything.

Re:At Ease (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664014)

Did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EWorld [wikipedia.org] or something around that era have a whitelist like network too?

Re:At Ease (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664170)

I remember that software on the school Macs (back when the school HAD Macs)
And I still remember being able to use some sort of "delete file" option in one of the Microsoft Office for Mac applications to delete the At Ease software file and defeat the software. No clue if they ever solved that loophole.

Re:More like an option (2, Informative)

dniq (759741) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664108)

There is already a Simple Finder option in the current OSX, which only provides the very basic functionality to the user. My mom is using - and loving - it. No chance to break stuff, and incredibly easy for her to use.

Re:More like an option (1)

Trufagus (1803250) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664160)

I don't think Apple is known for giving its users options.

I'm not suggesting that Apple can force existing Mac owners to adopt iOS, but they amount of money they can make from a locked down user is so much more then for a regular free user that I would expect that eventually, all Apple products will come with iOS.

The most likely way to implement this is just to slowly reduce the resources put into the Mac line, and to continue to expand the iOS line until it replaces most of the Mac line (except servers).

Re:More like an option (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664218)

I'm not suggesting that Apple can force existing Mac owners to adopt iOS, but they amount of money they can make from a locked down user is so much more then for a regular free user that I would expect that eventually, all Apple products will come with iOS.

Actually, Apple doesn't make that much [allthingsd.com] from the App store.

Re:More like an option (1)

Leon Buijs (545859) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664236)

Pre-Mac OS X did have such an option, although IT didn't cover parental settings. That problem was not as much in the picture back then.

LOL (0, Offtopic)

p.rican (643452) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663834)

Where's my mod points when I need them............

Oh Please (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663836)

If it's not one thing it's another. Apple is dying. Apple is dead. Apple can't recover. The iPod can't save Apple. The Mac can't come back. The iPhone can't save Apple. The 'walled garden' will be the death of Apple. The iPad's failure will kill Apple ... and now the MacOS & iOS are going to merge resulting in pushback, backlash and eventually Apple's demise.

These are different markets and different products. I can't rule out an "Apple appliance" that will serve as a desktop type of computer with iOS running on it ... phasing out MacOS over the next decade? maybe ... but merging the two? Not very likely.

Re:Oh Please (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663872)

This is the kind of babble we've been hearing about Windows for over a decade here now. I swear even the smallest of issues and another retard is ranting that it's another nail in MS's coffin and that they'll be toppled any day now.

I swear if I listened to all the fanboi rumblings I would have given up on Windows, moved to Linux and after a few years of frustration from their lagging behind I would now own a Mac.

I can only imagine what the ravings would have been like had Slashdork been around during the Amiga years.

Re:Oh Please (4, Funny)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663948)

If you listened to all the fanboi rumblings, you'd have given up years ago and bought an abacus.

Re:Oh Please (1)

bashibazouk (582054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664046)

I did but had to give it up when I could not get the new gaming graphics card I bought to work with it...

Re:Oh Please (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663978)

I thought Apple would release an "iPhone Runtime Environment" application with 10.6 (obviously I was wrong) but I won't rule it out for the future. It would allow Apple to take their 30% cut of people buying additional copies of their iDevice apps so they can run it on their desktops and save/exchange/sync data. Apple's rumored 'Wacom-type' touch pad would work hand and hand with it.

I don't know if Apple would ever release a Windows version of the iOS runtime. On one hand it would expand the market to include a lot more desktops that could buy & use iOS apps but it would hurt the "buy a Mac because you can only get this type of functionality on a Mac so buy a Mac" hook.

Re:Oh Please (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664068)

"I don't know if Apple would ever release a Windows version of the iOS runtime."

Why wouldn't they? It would be a potential new revenue stream for them, and one which they would have a lot of control over, so if it wound up being unprofitable they could just shut it down. They could even divide the market along "Apple products only" lines -- so that some apps would only be approved for Apple products, and some for Apple or Microsoft (I doubt that libre operating systems will get much support).

Re:Oh Please (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663920)

If you need to relate to past stories then they should be about how Apple restricts developers/users and not the tenacious ramblings of Dvorak and his ilk. Your "and then Apple will die!!!" strawmen add nothing.

Is Apple showing any signs of dying? No.
Does Apple tend toward restricting developers in a way considered stifling by many developers? Yes.
Is TFA unlikely speculation? Possibly, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth thinking about.

Apple is dead, long live Apple! (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663986)

What you forgot to mention is that there are billions of people who love Apple's 'walled garden' (perhaps 'fenced pasture' would be a better suited term for a prison for a content flock of sheep). It's no longer a niche brand... shouting 'imminent demise' is a bit of early drama...

Re:Apple is dead, long live Apple! (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664062)

So while for you it might be "a prison" perhaps for Apple's happy customers it's a "playground". Really, just buy what you like and stop worrying about what other people are buying. It's supposed to be all about choice, remember ?

Re:Apple is dead, long live Apple! (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664246)

Yes! Hence the term 'fenced pasture', it seemed appropriately lesser than a 'walled garden' (jumping over the fence is always an option). The term 'prison' only applies to the digital restrictions, software and music for example which are locked up pretty good.

My point is that there is a valid business for people who don't give a fuck about these digital restrictions and it's a valid choice if you don't. I have no predisposition here, I care equally less for the choice of people choosing Apple as they care for it...

Re:Apple is dead, long live Apple! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664096)

Billions?

Sure! 0.000000001 Billions!

Re:Oh Please (1)

Henriok (6762) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664022)

The difference between all the absurd statements and this new statement is that the former are uttered by competitors to Apple, by "analysts" obviously not familiar to Apple, "journalists" trolling for clicks or by raving idiots. This time it's an analysis offered by Mac developers that's been in the forefront of Mac indie development for ages and is on first name basis with the Mac community and probably have lots of personal friends within Apple. And they are not predicting the demise of anything..

Re:Oh Please (0, Troll)

Exitar (809068) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664032)

And as soon as Jobs will announce in some future keynote:
"We are merging iOS & MacOS during the next year since personal computers are things of the past."
all the Apple fanbois will tell
"Hail Steve! Good move! We were waiting for it! Let's hurry and burn our computers!"

Re:Oh Please (4, Insightful)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664074)

The "walled garden" won't be the death of Apple. The alternative of a similar garden without walls will.

Re:Oh Please (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664104)

Let's see, they asked a bunch of IOS developers whether they thought their particular platform of choice was going to take over. Surprisingly, many said yes.

This has always been an idiotic conspiracy theory and completely forgets that IOS is a cut down version of OS X. Same language, same classes except for a few UI ones. Are the two SDKs going to merge? They already are. IOS is slowly gaining more and more functionality ported over from OS X.

Apple also needs to open osx to all pc's apple har (-1, Troll)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664138)

Apple also needs to open osx to all pc's apple hardware just costs to much now days and there software intel lock in for now will have to go as well.

Re:Oh Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664200)

Isn't Apple the most wealthy IT company in America these days?

The iPad's failure will kill Apple

You sir, do not read the news, 2 million units sold in 59 days is not a failure, no matter how much you want it to be.

Re:Oh Please (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664310)

You sir, do not read the news, 2 million units sold in 59 days is not a failure, no matter how much you want it to be.

You obviously missed the point of my post. I was repeating all of the proclamations thrown about declaring the death and demise of Apple, even ones as recent as "The iPad's failure will kill Apple". I don't buy into them and I don't see an end to Apple's success as long as Steve Jobs is guiding the company. I even sent an iPad to my web designer's kids for 'half Christmas'.

The iPad sold 3 million units in 80 days. That's pretty impressive and certainly not the iFailure declared by many.

Re:Oh Please (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664314)

You sir, do not read the news, 2 million units sold in 59 days is not a failure, no matter how much you want it to be.

Read what he said in context. He wasn't making the claim, simply reiterating a claim others had made that turned out to be false. There are a whole lot of people out there that really hate Apple and want to see them fail.

Re:Oh Please (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664270)

but merging the two? Not very likely.

Why not? The desktop/laptop is stagnant and flat to little growth, you can see this in the way they gloss over it in their quarterly reports. The iOS is freeking rocking in money. So yeah they may have a hammer and try it out. At the very least a skin that makes the macosx look like the ios with a translation layer.

Right now it is the 'gold rush' with these small apps. That will die down in a year or three. With a decent group making apps people really want instead of zillions of little crap apps. Right now it is a fad/novelty. That will change. There is real money to be made in the lock in.

The 'simple to use' market is huge. We as engineers think it is awesome to be able to tweak everything. Most people do not use that junk. They just want those 5-10 apps they use all the time to just work. They have over the years learned all these crazy gyrations to use these things. For example last year I could have given my gf something like an iPad and she would have been just fine. But now she is 'locked in' to the windows platform because I bought her some games she really likes. She jumps thru the windows hoops so she can play her games. She doesnt give one wit about how to change the power on the 802.11n card, or how many fps her video card can do she just wants to play her adventure games.

Apple, windows, hardware, and linux fan boys miss the mark on this every time. People want to use applications. Users will jump thru the hoops you create to use them (i double smoosh this picture, the computer wants a startup and shutdown phase). I am not saying there isnt a place for more complex interfaces. But simple easy to use ones are the best 99% of the time.

Re:Oh Please (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664334)

Obviously, you're right. I mean, what would Apple have to gain from locking down the MacOS anyway...aside from a huge *shitload* of money?

Adobe et al... (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663840)

You really think that Adobe will want to sell its CS products and give a cut to Apple? HA!

Re:Adobe et al... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664186)

You really think they'll have any choice?

Five years from now.... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663842)

... they won't even be selling Macs anymore. Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin, the big bucks are coming in elsewhere.

Remember, the name of the company no longer even contains the word "Computer."

Re:Five years from now.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663912)

It doesn't contain "computer" because Apple is in the electronic gadget, movie, and music industries. They didn't remove computer because they want to stop making computers they removed it because they do a lot more than just computers.

It's somewhat expected. (2, Insightful)

mitchell_pgh (536538) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663850)

I believe Sasser sums it up rather nicely: "I could see a gradual, slow merger between iOS and Mac OS X styles and approaches," he said. "It doesn't make sense for them to be developing two of everything, one good, one not as good--two calendars, two address books--it's got to merge somehow."

Apple should learn from Microsoft's mistake of trying to have two rather diverse platforms (Windows and Windows mobile). Granted, Microsoft seems to be moving in a better direction these days with their mobile platform, but they could have been much further along if they would have used this method.

Re:It's somewhat expected. (5, Insightful)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663972)

I'm going to be blunt about this: your comment is completely wrong. It makes perfect sense to have a separate operating system for desktops and mobile devices, because they're two completely different things. Trying to run an OS on one designed for the other leads to frustration and unusability. In fact, I think Windows Mobile failed because it wasn't enough of a mobile operating system: it had things like a desktop, the Start Menu, and full multitasking, which make perfect sense in a desktop operating environment and are a terrible idea on a mobile one.

iOS and Mac OS X already do share a lot of code already, but that's just code reuse - proper programming practice. They've got two totally different user interfaces and paradigms, each working best for its target device. Trying to run one on the other would be unusable, and say what you want about Steve Jobs, but it will be a cold day in hell before a product comes out of his company that can be described as "unusable". Such a merger is a horrible idea, there's no evidence it is ever going to take place, and this article is just so much FUD to get the Slashdot crowd ranting and raving about Apple's walled garden.

Re:It's somewhat expected. (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664226)

I guess it depends on which parts you're talking about - a certain OS kernel that runs everything from mobile phones to supercomputers seems to get a lot of praise around here. Presentation can be a rather thin layer compared to everything below you can share.

Re:It's somewhat expected. (3, Informative)

ahankinson (1249646) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664330)

You mean like the Mach kernel that both the iOS and OS X share? Or the BSD-based Darwin subsystem? Or some of the Cocoa frameworks?

Re:It's somewhat expected. (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664010)

Probably with the DoJ watchdogs on their tail (anemically, but there), Microsoft didn't dare start a Windows AppStore.

Ironically, it's the linux distributions that have had the 3rd-party software distribution infrastructure for ages. Is anybody selling commercial software running yum/apt repos with SSL client identification required?

Re:It's somewhat expected. (5, Insightful)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664144)

"It doesn't make sense for them to be developing two of everything, one good, one not as good--two calendars, two address books--it's got to merge somehow."

It doesn't make sense for Ford to be making both cars and trucks. It means they have to have at least two separate lines for most of the components. They should just merge the two concepts.

Re:It's somewhat expected. (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664256)

Except that's not the case. iOS and OS X already share a ton of code, with the exception of the highest-level UI stuff, which Jobs has repeatedly argued is necessary to do separately for each form factor. In order for MacOS and iOS to merge, Apple would have to do a 360 on this policy. Otherwise, they already are more or less the same OS (I'd even argue that they're already more closely related than KDE and GNOME are to each other).

The "walled garden" approach to the App Store may have had a time and place, although almost anybody would argue that that time has passed. I honestly don't see it lasting much longer, particularly in light of competition from Android phones, and the fact that Google, HTC, et al are being particularly aggressive in terms of hardware and software improvements.

Re:It's somewhat expected. (5, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664280)

"Microsoft seems to be moving in a better direction these days with their mobile platform"

You haven't been following very closely then, have you? It's a jumbled mess of mutually incompatible systems, all with the label "Windows" on it. They almost seem to be trying to emulate the diversity of Linux systems. Microsoft's mistake, however, isn't with having multiple OSes, but having multiple OSes that are all UI clones of each other (without the common code base) regardless of the platform.

Jobs and his lieutenants have talked at length about what a mistake it was to try to put desktop Windows (with extensions) on tablets. This is why the TabletPC platform has been such a snoozefest in the market: it's the wrong UI for the hardware. Apple could have released a MacBook Touch (a laptop with a touch screen or a slate, either running OS X) five years ago, but they knew it wouldn't work, so they didn't. The same story applies to Windows Mobile: wrong UI for the hardware. Same outcome: dismal sales for something with the Microsoft brand on it.

Clearly Apple believes that "iOSX everywhere" is the wrong approach. Adobe CS would make no sense on a phone or slate, and neither would Tap Tap Revenge make sense on a desktop or server. They put a whole lot of effort into developing a new OS for slates and phones, using the parts of OS X that fit that platform, and engineering new parts for the rest. They'd be fools to throw out the parts of OS X that still make all kinds of sense for the desktop or traditional laptop just to merge it with iOS, and I see no evidence that they're fools of that sort.

FUD (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663860)

If you're uncertain what FUD stands for, please re-read the summary. Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Re:FUD (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664116)

If you're uncertain what FUD stands for, please re-read the summary. Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Or Female Urination Device. [wikipedia.org] .

Re:FUD (3, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664152)

I remember when people were first speculating that the iPad might be locked down. A lot of Apple fans called that FUD too.

Re:FUD (1)

imakemusic (1164993) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664262)

I was afraid that might be what it means...but I wasn't sure.

Probably not (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663868)

I suspect the next few OSX and iOS revisions to start merging and sharing APIs, and maybe OSX will go away, but it won't be replaced by iOS.

Xcode without the certificate tax? (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663910)

I'd bet that half of the people reading this Slashdot story are mostly concerned about one feature: the ability to use Xcode and distribute what you make without starting a company and paying $99 per year to Apple. If Mac OS X loses this, watch GNUstep (Free clone of Cocoa's predecessor) suddenly attract a boost in activity.

Re:Xcode without the certificate tax? (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664008)

"If Mac OS X loses this, watch GNUstep (Free clone of Cocoa's predecessor) suddenly attract a boost in activity."

A boost, perhaps, but nothing that would even register on Apple's radar.

Re:Probably not (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663968)

Yes, this would be interesting. It might even be nice to be able to use certain iOS apps on OS X since many of them are very useful utilities.

Re:Probably not (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664220)

As the usability, complexity and programability of Apple moved to the one button mouse of the Macintosh..
so will the usability and programability of Macintosh move to the one touch of a 32 in glossy screen.
Buy the needed app with the functionality you wanted or thought you wanted and rub the screen.
Relive the first Mac OS days but with many more apps and in full true retina color.
Buy, touch, type, touch, buy, touch, type .. sleep... touch, type, touch, buy ... work ... touch, type, touch, buy ... sleep ...zero
Over time you will grow to understand multi-touch interface in more detail and become an expert Apple user.

Re:Probably not (2, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664276)

They already share APIs - iOS is heavily based on OS X with a touch UI on top.

This article is just total FUD. It's the same sort of "analysis" as that story from a couple of months ago how Apple "will definitely" move to an App Store model for OS X. There's just no sense in it at all, given the direction that Apple are taking OS X.

They forked OS X, for want of a better term, and created iPhone OS (now iOS), and continued development on OS X itself. There is nothing to suggest they will merge the two again. Why suddenly cut out the creative suite, office, other third party pro apps, games, the new Steam client (finally games are becoming top tier)? There's just no compelling business reason to move to iOS on the desktop; and ultimately Apple are in this business to make money.

Consumers are dumb! (2, Insightful)

samsonov (581161) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663884)

I think the mentality of most home users are that they want Apple to tell them what apps can run on their device(s). Let's hope the power users talk some sense into Apple. I for one don't like the idea of only being able to consume apps that are published via the App Store...

Apple (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663890)

It seems Apple is now the new Microsoft / IBM / Conservative / Christian. They build products that are popluar, sell well, and work, but it seems some people have to find fault with that. So sad. I guess that is why the US seems hell bent ditching what made it great (hard work, great products, marriage between a Man and Women) and running to socialism that has a 100% proven track record of failure. Maybe Steve will pull a Galt and close Apple down and let the industry sell junk.

Re:Apple (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664056)

Yes let's take speculation from a group of people not associated with nor represent Apple and twist their musings into an absolute truth. If you read the article, developers are guessing that Apple would introduce more iOS interfaces into OS X than completely changing the OS.

cisco? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663894)

why is a cisco tag in this story? this ios have nothing to do with cisco ios

Deus Ex Macintosh (3, Funny)

Darric (1721334) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663898)

Will this be like when IcarOS and DaedalOS merged into HeliOS?

More Apple stories, please! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663906)

It's been 5 or 10 seconds since the latest one was posted.

pure flamebait (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32663914)

My how slashdot has fallen. Pandering to the anti-apple zealots so blatantly? Why do all of my favorite sites(/.,ars,reddit) seem to be declining in quality so rapidly, and in unison? I am beyond disappointed. A new low for slashdot.

WTF (1, Insightful)

.tekrox (858002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663916)

Who the hell dreams up this crap...?

Steve and the cat he's petting are pleased (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663924)

In a statement released today, Steve Jobs said "You will bow down before me, world...no matter that it takes an eternity! YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!"

Holy crap, it's real! (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663932)

I was going to make a joke about the change to the name "iOS" meaning that iMacs will also run it on one of the last Apple articles... never thought it would come true. :|

Then again, I'm not a Mac user, so meh... :p

Re:Holy crap, it's real! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664060)

mother-may-iOS

Misleading summary (5, Interesting)

adamwright (536224) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663938)

The article discusses how developers expect iOS and OS X to merge from an API perspective - cross pollination between the developments (mostly from iOS to OS X) will lead to a unified development environment. This is *not* the same as the DRM/App Store, which is just the distribution method chosen for the iPhone and iPad. There's nothing technical about this - it's a business choice to make this the sole channel, one that doesn't seem to make sense for desktop computing, and one that I doubt they'd pursue.

Whilst I expect an App Store on the Mac, I would be shocked if it were the only distribution method available. In truth, I suspect we'll see a situation similar to downloading apps via Safari now - the first run, you get a warning about possible unsafe code, you tell it you're fine with that, and then everything carries on as normal. The Mac still represents a vast chunk of their revenue - only marginally less than iPhone in terms of income, and probably more in terms of profit. They're not going to kill a fully functioning golden goose, though I do expect some experimentation with it.

This experimentation is long overdue. For most people, something much simpler than a full desktop would be ideal - my iPad passes my parental approval filter far more than their desktop computer, the complexity of which causes more trouble than benefit. Now, the iPad is *not* a suitable desktop replacement - using my parents as an example again, there's no really useful document processing, no ability to hook up their TomTom, no easy printing. However, I can certainly see some hybrid iMac/iPad (or Android setup, I don't care who makes it) being a *much* better proposition for them than buying another desktop of the current ilk - be it Windows, Mac or Linux.

Re:Misleading summary (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664190)

"it's a business choice to make this the sole channel, one that doesn't seem to make sense for desktop computing, and one that I doubt they'd pursue."

Well hang on...why wouldn't the walled garden work for desktop applications? Users do not seem to mind it for the iPad, which is really a tablet computer (I am sure someone will disagree with me, since it is not "marketed" as one), nor do users seem to mind it for video game consoles, nor for a certain large web community. We are already hearing people saying that traditional desktops are for "serious work," not for "consumers."

So why not? Why not have Apple impose an "approval" process for Mac OS X desktop applications? I see no reason why Apple could not create a spectrum of computers -- iPads at one end, and high end workstations at the other, with various levels of application approval processes needed. In that world, you would have to pay thousands of dollars for a top of the line Power Mac workstation to be able to install "unauthorized" applications; a "consumer level" notebook would require an extra payment for "unlocking" to install those applications (or perhaps you would have to "upgrade" to another version of Mac OS); and an iPad would have no options for unapproved programs.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

am 2k (217885) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664284)

Now, the iPad is *not* a suitable desktop replacement [...] there's no really useful document processing

There's Pages. That should be enough for all of the basic needs. You'll probably have to hook up a real keyboard though.

no ability to hook up their TomTom

TomTom offers a fully-featured iPhone app, so no need to hook anything up.

no easy printing

Sure there is one way. [wired.com] ;)

And if they do that (4, Interesting)

wiredog (43288) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663960)

what will we develop mac applications on? Windows boxes?

Re:And if they do that (1)

iammani (1392285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664076)

I suppose a developers version would be available (if this was ever going to happen)

Re:And if they do that (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664338)

Apple will sell you a Mac Mini Pro or Mac Pro.
You will then rent a closed network only version of OS X that will allow you to code and be creative for the current generation of idevices. Then upload your app for approval when done.
If your software is approved by Apple, it will join the app store.

Nothing to see here.. (2, Informative)

Rytr23 (704409) | more than 4 years ago | (#32663964)

Simply garbage, which is not surprising considering the source. That is all.

Re:Nothing to see here.. (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664224)

The summary or TFA?

Doesn't make sense to develop 2? (4, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664000)

"It doesn't make sense for them to be developing two of everything, one good, one not as good--two calendars, two address books--it's got to merge somehow."

I can't imagine how a calendar developed for a 2" touchscreen could have the same interface as a calendar developed for a 21" keyboard-and-mouse, and not have it be terrible. Similarly, a copy of Word on the iPhone and a copy of Word on a PC would necessarily need to have very different interfaces... You can't get hover tips on a touchscreen, people don't gesture with keyboards, mice aren't multitouch, and iPhone screens are tiny.

The idea that you can write one app and have it work on such disparate devices shows a fundamental lack of understanding of good design.

Palladium 2.0 (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664030)

What, did you think because the actors changed the play would be different?

One part fact, one part FUD (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664042)

a certain expectation that iOS and MacOS will merge, leading to a single DRM locked OS on your MacBook and your iPad.

Without a doubt, Apple will try to make them more similar to develop for. This is plain obvious and the same like for example the Qt toolkit has been adding multitouch support while still being a Win/Mac/Linux GUI toolkit. Or Microsoft making Windows and Xbox360 similar to develop for, if you want another example. This is clearly beneficial both for developer time, a consistent user experience, creating reusable code and more.

The other part, does the DRM lockdown come to OS X? Well, that's not really a related question, it'd be fairly easy to lock down OS X to only run signed software and quite easy to make a version of iOS that doesn't. This is more a matter of what Apple can get away with marketwise, with software developers, with anti-trust regulation than any technical issue. But there's no doubt that Apple at the moment is warming up the frog, by showing that yes consumers will take a locked down platform.

Apps will disappear (2, Interesting)

kylant (527449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664044)

I believe that apps on mobile phones are a transitory phenomenon. They are/were necessary to make content available on the relatively small screens and to implement touch input (as most websites at the time were built for mouse input). The functionalities of most apps these days can be implemented as websites (HTML, Ajax, ...) and this will be the best solution to fix the compatibility problem (different apps for Android, iOS, Symbian, Windows Phone 7 (?), Bada (?),...) and to avoid vendor lock-in. Will we really need an app to access news content? Will the NYT really build and maintain apps for 4 or more different platforms? I believe what we need are properly coded websites that adapt to different screen sizes and input devices.

There will probably be a market for high-end applications on your phone (navigation?, media player?) but honestly, how many of those are on your phone?

Oh, come on! (5, Insightful)

salgiza (650851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664052)

The article is about how some of the APIs (UIKit, mainly) in iOS are probably going to be included in future versions of MacOSX, and suddenly the summary is about MacOSX becoming a big iPhone full of DRM! Slashdot: where not even the editors bother to read the articles! (Either that, or someone hates Apple too much...)

Re:Oh, come on! (1)

schnablebg (678930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664114)

Mod parent up. Summary is plain-wrong.

You can't code on iOS you fucktwits (5, Insightful)

gig (78408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664082)

The main difference between Mac OS and iOS is you can't code on iOS. It's partly a security feature and partly an anti-complexity feature. iOS is for a non-coding approach to all tasks. You may not know this, but a Photoshop pro writes a ton of code. The home user working with their photos doesn't need to.

Another feature of iOS is no custom drivers. The USB audio interfaces that work with iOS are the "class compliant" ones that work with the system's universal driver. This provides stability and ease of use, but it limits the quality to consumer-quality 16/44 stereo. Audio pros still need a system to hook on an 8 channel 24/192 interface. OS X has a pro audio subsystem the likes of which you can't find anywhere else. Are we going to just abandon that and tell music producers to use toy Windows? The iPod app on iOS is filled up by people using Mac OS.

The mouse is going away, no doubt. But you will still have a consumer OS and a pro OS. Web developers need Apache and Ruby and PHP to make websites for iOS users, movie makers and graphic artists need to code workflows, and app developers need to code apps and Apple needs to code OS X itself. The idea that Mac OS can go away is just so fucking stupid and ignorant and disrespectful when you consider how much of our fucking culture is made on Macs.

Anyone who thinks there is no longer a need for Mac OS is an iPad user. Get an iPad ASAP and enjoy! STFU about Mac OS otherwise. You probably don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

   

no way (1)

Debaser42 (1313537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664090)

there's no way this is going to happen. apple has always had its fingers in both major markets - consumer driven and creative / production driven. Before apple remade itself as a consumer electronics provider (from its original inception as a consumer computer provider), it was associated with high-end creative work. Everyone used apples. Now its become more and more popular as the quality consumer computer company while also being a consumer electronics company. These two are mutually exclusive as far as software, but share a common brand - ease of use, beauty, power. The difference between the two is that OSX is easy to use for both basic grandma-checking-email-type consumers and (power/normal/IT/etc) other users. Why would apple make an iMac or a Macbook pro with iOS? It makes no sense - it would cripple the actual hardware. The only way anything like this might happen at all is if apple just gave up on making what we consider to be "traditional" computers for profit margin (I'm sure they make a majority of their money on iPhone/iPad/iPod related purchases (app store included). If that happens, I'd be really sad but at least we have Ubuntu, which feels more and more like OSX every day.

monopoly and censorship are just some of things ap (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664098)

monopoly and censorship are just some of things that apple will face if they try to do this even right now the FCC does not like the cell phone lock in / lock down.

But doing this to a laptop / desktop?? M$ was not able to pull this carp with IE and was forced to stop forcing OEM from loading it's os on all systems. and apple things they can force DEV's to pay $99 year just for free apps or $99 /year + 30% for payed apps?

Steve commented on this (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664106)

Re:Steve commented on this (1)

wzinc (612701) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664154)

Yay common sense! Thank you Anonymous Coward...

Re:Steve commented on this (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664356)

He also said once that there would be no video iPod.

Both good and bad. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664134)

I don't think IOS will replace Mac OS/X but I am really shocked that there isn't an Mac App store.
Why and app store?
Because people would like and use it. Right now if I go to Best Buy or any place else that sells software there may be a small section of Mac software. Also it is expensive to produce retail software. You have to have a pretty box, Press CDs get the stores to carry it... And I will bet you the stores take at least as much as Apple does. Yes you can always put up a website and sell your software online but then you have to run a store, maybe deal with sales tax, and hope people find your software.
So it really is a win for commercial developers.
For the consumer has some security that the software has been checked and most likely isn't malware. With the iTunes store it is really easy to make the purchase. It is easy to find what you like and to get some idea of the quality by reading the reviews. But the main thing is the ease of getting and installing the software.
Just like with apt-get and synaptic people will tend to go with the what is easy. Sure I may download the latest version of some app for Linux and do the install by hand but for the most part I and probably most other people just use what is in the repositories.
So yes I can see how an app store for the Mac would be very popular and widely used. As long as they keep allowing me to also install from other sources like a CD and or downloads I see it a win win.
What I don't see is IOS replacing OS/X. OS/X is Steve's baby and it really is well loved so nope.
App store yes OS/X no.

Re:Both good and bad. (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664332)

Relevant to nothing, I'm completely amused by how people refer to Mac / Apple products! For instance IOS vs iOS or IPhone vs iPhone.

The other day someone yelled at me for typing osx instead of OS-X (which is wrong, btw) ... and here we have OS/X.

What does it all mean? ;-)

No, thank you... (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664140)

I really don't see this happening any time soon. The biggest reason why Apple puts up the walled garden on the iPhone is because of AT&T. There aren't any such restrictions on the Mac. You can download XCode for free & develop for the Mac freely and distribute it however you like, use undocumented API's, shun the UI guidelines or whatever. It would be cool if there was an application store for the Mac via iTunes to distribute your desktop applications, I'd hope that the same restrictions wouldn't be in place, since they wouldn't have the "it is on someone else's network" excuse.

Complete sense (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664164)

This makes complete sense. You can use all your iPhone/iPod/iPad apps on your iMac. Your iMac has a multi-touch capacitive screen and accelerometers.

Oh, wait.

Apple takes pride in the right interface for the right device. This will never happen.

Not going to happend, uses same OS's already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664178)

iOS and Mac OS X already use same operating system. The XNU. The XNU is open source operating system what use Mach 3.0 as microkernel, I/O kit and drivers. Network protocols (TCP/IP and other low level OS protocols) and filesystems are from FreeBSD.

The XNU operating system is possible to get work as it is. But to get it actually run Apple's closed source technologies in Mac OS X or in iOS, you need to use Darwin. Darwin itself is a XNU + Apple's development tools (like GNU's own development tools) and configs what help you to compile XNU operating system right.

What would Apple get by merging iOS and Mac OS X software systems? Nothing. You can not make one software system what works well in mobile devices or in servers and desktops!

Servers are managed trough CLI (command line interface) over SSH (usually). And Desktops are controlled by keyboard and mouse, while mobile devices and tablets are controlled with fingers.

For all those you need different approach for user interface. Even that you have same OS in all, you can get different workspace for all devices. And the device itself is part of the user interface. Touchscreen, keyboard, mouse... they are the user interface as well as what is drawn by software to the screen.

Apple would not gain anything by merging them. Only thing what Apple could actually do, is to make a appstore for Mac OS X as well. That would be a such nice thing what I would respect. But then Apple should not tie developers to sell, or users to install software only from there. Why I would like to see Appstore for Mac OS X? Because then I could get one simple place to find wanted software. But I do not want to force now free Mac markets to be so tight that you can not market your software with your own page. (unless that is placed there so every app can have own site, support, forums etc).

Stupid Flamebait Topic... (1)

Iftekhar25 (802052) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664184)

This is a stupid, flamebait, troll's topic. "iOS and OS X will merge, THEREFORE... all apps will be solely distributed by Apple in a walled garden."

Where's the logical connection there? How do you get from one to another? Why not conclude that since iOS and OS X will merge, the app distribution model will completely open up like on OS X? Mac OS X doesn't even have an activation key, for goodness sake. Apple is the patron of many an open source project, including WebKit which is the most prolific rendering engine on mobile devices. No, no, the geek outrage on /. is reserved for the App Store.

If anything, Apple has shown itself to be responsive to the market. From opening up the SDK, to multitasking, to a host of other issues, they wear their ignorance on their sleeve and they have shown themselves to be responsive, and when the market speaks, Apple will, I believe, listen.

If it doesn't, it will fade away into obscurity like many tech companies before it. Sheesh.

This topic (and most of the ensuing Apple-hating group think on slashdot) is sheer bullshit. I got karma to burn, make my day.

Who writes these summaries? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664206)

After reading the article, it seems some developers interviewed by Ars Technicia is speculating that Apple might introduce more iOS interfaces into OS X. However any merger if at all will take a long time. The start of the article however immediately told it may be lacking technical details.

Though concrete answers are hard to predict, the truth is that the Cocoa APIs are built on the 20+ year-old NextStep and use Objective-C, a language that until recently lacked many features common to modern development environments, such as automatically managed memory.

You mean like C++ which is still used by many programmers. Yes, there are newer languages out there but many environments like Windows, PS3, etc use C++.

Same story. (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664212)

This is the same tired /. opinion piece which doesn't really engender much discussion, Apple has made it pretty accessible to make OS X and iPhone/iPod touch apps for about a decade. Any speculation about how locked a hypothetical merged OS would be is silly at best, and just serves as *Nix user FUD.

iOs layer in OSX (2, Interesting)

fentagh (1839476) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664238)

I wouldn't mind it as a dashboard replacement.

IOS? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32664260)

wtf? why are they running a router os on a phone? :D

apple and sheep (0, Flamebait)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664268)

If Apple had an App Store for OSX but also allowed you to install stuff from alternative sources, they would still make a killing on all those sheep who would pay $0.99 to change their own desktop wallpaper to a photo they took themselves.

Even if this happens... (1)

joh (27088) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664304)

...this new OS would need to be much more than the current iOS. You'd need to be able to *develop* iOS apps on it, for starters.

Anyway, everybody who thinks that the future will just an extrapolation of the past should think again. Computers *will* change drastically. The traditional PC will sooner or later just be some office machine or developer machine, with most actual users on things that are more like appliances. There is no way around that and the time is ripe for that. Smartphones and tablets will be the "personal computers" very soon.

Stop clinging to the past. Since when have geeks been so conservative? Apple has dragged a whole industry into the future screaming and kicking and even Google is just breathlessly running after it. There is no need to follow Apple but it's pretty much clear that just sitting on your ass and pretending that things are good as they are is of no use.

This is the future (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664326)

I think this is the direction most commercial operating systems are headed. By controlling the apps which can be run under the OS, you have a better chance of maintaining integrity. And, of course, there is the plus that it provides an extra revenue stream.

I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying it's wrong. It's just the way things are going to be like it or not.

Meet the new Apple Linux hardware (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#32664336)

Recently, I got a MacPro for the wife... Dual 2.66GHz dual core xeon. Clean, nice design. Got MacOSX Snow Leopard on it. I want one too... but I wouldn't run MacOSX on it. I have played with the Hackintosh and real Macintosh... I just don't have a use for it. So if Apple manages to make true "netbooks" with iOS (tm Cisco?) then I will buy one... and put Linux on it.

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