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iPhone 4 News Roundup

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the here-we-go-again dept.

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We have a slew of iPhone 4-related stories this morning, so I'm lumping them together for easier consumption/ignoring, depending on your personal feelings on the subject. Here is a blog entry proclaiming that iOS 4 multitasking sucks and why. Here is a sketchy summary of privacy violations by Apple and AT&T — apparently they are reporting back jailbroken phones. Skunkpost has a story about the lines and sales of the new phone. But the big news of the morning is the reception problems that apparently only affect people who hold the phone in their left hands.

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Here's your roundup (5, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678818)

Goatse.

But seriously folks...the new iPhone hardware and many of the additions they are making to the OS are really great...but I'm sorry, I still can't get past the walled garden. Again, I know the app store would have everything I would likely need, but I just can't accept being told that an application would be inappropriate for me to use. And yes, I know I could just jailbreak it...but that's not the point. I don't care that I can get around it, I care that the walled garden exists in the first place. As a consumer, the best I can do is vote with my wallet.

This is only my opinion, I don't speak for others, YMMV, etc applies.

Re:Here's your roundup (0, Redundant)

whogben (919335) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678912)

Honest inquiry here: The computer in some cars artificially limits the speed of the car - if you found out that was true in a car you liked would you feel the same way about it as the iPhone?

Re:Here's your roundup (0)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678940)

Yes.

Re:Here's your roundup (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678998)

The difference is that with a car there are very few situations where you would need to go 90 MPH + and if you were going that fast, chances are you already know enough about the car to re-tune it to remove it, and cars don't make it impossible to remove, you don't need to look for security flaws.

On the other hand, there are a lot of applications that would be useful that Apple forbids because it "competes" with Apple's own offerings, can run other code (with the new A4 processor that opens up a lot of emulation possibilities), etc.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

boristdog (133725) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679184)

The difference is that with a car there are very few situations where you would need to go 90 MPH +

I can tell you don't live west of the Mississippi River. There's a LOT of open country to cover out here. Most Interstate Highway speed limits are 80, which means you'll get passed a lot if you do 80.

And your phone will drop calls faster since you move out of range a lot faster.

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679328)

The difference is that with a car there are very few situations where you would need to go 90 MPH +

I can tell you don't live west of the Mississippi River. There's a LOT of open country to cover out here. Most Interstate Highway speed limits are 80, which means you'll get passed a lot if you do 80.

And your phone will drop calls faster since you move out of range a lot faster.

Pff, I can be sitting in traffic in Lower Manhattan going 5mph~ and still drop calls. Beat that!

Re:Here's your roundup (5, Funny)

Scaba (183684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679392)

I can tell you don't live west of the Mississippi River.

Everyone does, if you keep going.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679374)

The difference is that with a car there are very few situations where you would need to go 90 MPH +

So I guess you have never driven on the German Autobahn . . .

Although, some German cars are limited to 150 Mph (240 Kph). But if you are paying the price for a BMW M5, the dealer will gladly disable the limiter, and probably throw in a couple of hookers and booze, as well.

So why doesn't Apple sell two versions of the iPhone? One locked, that I can give to my mom, and know that she will not be able to brick it? And one unlocked for myself, and know that I perfectly confident in my ability to brick it?

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679010)

No, because cars that are artificially limited (including my own, a 2004 RSX Type-S) are generally capped at 155 MPH. I don't know about you, but I have no intention of driving 155 MPH. If I was interested in driving faster than that, I wouldn't have bought a car that was artificially limited. I do, however, intend to install whatever I want on my phone without wondering if I have to hack the hardware first, which is why I have a phone where I can do exactly that.

Apples to oranges, bud. Apples to oranges.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679302)

Are you really trying to draw a comparison between physics and morals?

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679356)

You could say this for anything with a computer. A phone is far more of an intimate device then a computer in a car.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

Reece400 (584378) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679414)

Yes, why should the car manufacturer tell me how fast I can go? What if I'm trying to, say, escape a tornado and need to go faster? I paid the money, let me use my own judgment to do what I want with the car/device.

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Insightful)

dasheiff (261577) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679026)

>But seriously folks...the new iPhone hardware and many of the additions they are making to the OS are really great...but I'm sorry, I still can't get past the walled garden.

These phones are not for people like you or me. They are for our grandmothers.

Re:Here's your roundup (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679054)

See, that's the frustrating thing: I really like the hardware, and I find the interface to be fairly intuitive...were it not for locking people into their own store (and were it not for being stuck with AT&T), I would very likely own an iPhone. So long as appstore lock-in and AT&T exclusivity are around though, I won't be a paying customer.

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Insightful)

devjj (956776) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679304)

Hate to say it, but you - like most Slashdotters - are a dinosaur. Things are only going to get more closed. Contest it if you must, but the day of consumer hardware being sold based on the needs of the developers who write for it, is over. That day is simply over. Consumers rule. The ones who learn that fast are the ones that'll be able to profit.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679346)

lol, never thought I'd be called a dinosaur at the age of 26 :p

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Flamebait)

devjj (956776) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679476)

I'm 27, and you're still a dinosaur. The difference is you're young enough to adapt. The old-timers around here are going to have a really rough times in the years ahead. Their way of doing things is dead. They just don't know it.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

glavenoid (636808) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679592)

Oh no, we know it.. Don't like it, but we know it.

Re:Here's your roundup (2, Insightful)

not already in use (972294) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679502)

Contest it if you must, but the day of consumer hardware being sold based on the needs of the developers who write for it, is over. That day is simply over. Consumers rule.

Oh really? So then, care to explain why Android has seen such explosive growth?

Re:Here's your roundup (4, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679528)

Man I hope you're wrong. I (probably like most slashdotters) learned a lot of what I know by tinkering. Apple's philosophy is about as polar opposite as you can get, if they (and the parent) get their way then there will be no tinkering. People like me who only program as hobbyists will be out in the cold. My big fear is that this whole computer-as-an-appliance trend will catch on and we'll be left with a new generation of users too dumb to troubleshoot their own devices.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

devjj (956776) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679616)

I hear your concerns, but I actually have to wonder how much you're really losing in your ability to tinker. Today's hardware is so advanced and so condensed it isn't practical for you to be able to fiddle with. So far as software goes, you're free to tinker with Xcode and the like as you wish. Granted, there are restrictions, but that doesn't equate to you not being able to tinker in the general sense. I certainly hear, understand, and appreciate the argument that "it's my hardware and I'll damn well do as I please with it," but the tinkering argument doesn't really swim for me. You can play with the device and the software at will. It's only when it comes time to publish that the restrictions come into play.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679344)

What application is it that you're desperate to use that has been barred from the app store? I'm just curious.

Re:Here's your roundup (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679404)

As stated in my previous post, the appstore would most likely be able to serve all of my needs, as far as applications are concerned...but that's not the point. The point is that there is no reason to pay a company so that they can tell me what I can and can't do with their device when there is another company that sells a similar device that lets me do whatever the hell I want with it. ::shrug:: That's it.

Oh, and please...don't try to make comparisons to game consoles being closed too. That's an entirely different conversation.

Re:Here's your roundup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679514)

Google Voice. Well not me, I'm writing this from my Motorola Droid using an alternate keyboard that I downloaded outside the market (swype) and loving the Google Voice integration. The walled garden is why I am using a Droid and not an iPhone though. That and the fact that AT&T has no 3G coverage here and Verizon has perfect coverage.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679642)

I still fail to see how AT&T is any worse then the other Providers out there...

In the U.S. All Wireless carriers just stink. They are all expensive, don't have good reception in rural areas...

I moved from Verizon to AT&T Same number of bars. All really the same...

It isn't AT&T that is the issue it is the whole industry.

Re:Here's your roundup (-1, Offtopic)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679120)

This is only my opinion, I don't speak for others, YMMV, etc applies.

Why do we always feel obligated to put that at the end of our posts? Don't get me wrong, I do it all the time. But your entire most was I this and I that, you never once used the word "you". So of course its your opinion and you aren't speaking for others. But if you don't say it you risk people flaming back.

I just don't get it.

These are just my observations, citation needed, do not rely on this post for your school report, etc etc.

Re:Here's your roundup (1, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679158)

Why do we always feel obligated to put that at the end of our posts? Don't get me wrong, I do it all the time. But your entire most was I this and I that, you never once used the word "you". So of course its your opinion and you aren't speaking for others. But if you don't say it you risk people flaming back.

I do it because people asking why I'm including it is far less annoying than people asking why I'm "presenting my opinion like it's the only one that matters" :-) You're a regular around here...I'm sure you've seen it.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679546)

It's the Slashdot version of "just sayin'" as a way of appearing to distance oneself from one's opinion if it proves unpopular or appears to say something about the writer.

Just about everybody here is "hiding" behind a pseudonym, so why the weasel words? You've given your opinion, which is yours. Absolutely nothing wrong there.

Re:Here's your roundup (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679138)

The App Store is a public marketplace. You don't see people complaining they can't buy the latest pr0n titles at your local BB or Radio Shack.

It's a phone! It's not the second coming, they're not taking your desktop away, and....chances are they won't try mind-control with it. Personally, I just want my phone to work, so that I can get things done and not troubleshoot why my phone is crashing.

Re:Here's your roundup (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679196)

The App Store is a public marketplace. You don't see people complaining they can't buy the latest pr0n titles at your local BB or Radio Shack.

Exactly. They know what they are looking for, so they make their decisions based on a business that provides what they need. I'm doing the same thing.

It's a phone! It's not the second coming, they're not taking your desktop away, and....chances are they won't try mind-control with it.

That's why I was calm and honest with my OP, and not some drooling anti-Apple reject.

Personally, I just want my phone to work, so that I can get things done and not troubleshoot why my phone is crashing.

::shrug:: my phone works perfectly fine, as did the Windows Mobile phone I had before it.

I suppose it's all in the user...

Re:Here's your roundup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679162)

I know. I can't accept the lack of pr0n apps, either.

Re:Here's your roundup (5, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679248)

Life is really too short to be idealistic about freaking phone apps.

Re:Here's your roundup (4, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679372)

Then why are you posting here about "freaking phone apps" and not outside enjoying life, running through fields, in the company of another human being? We need to be idealistic about some things, and if Apple's insane policies become more accepted by the public then it's only a matter of time before the rest of the industry follows suit.

Re:Here's your roundup (2, Insightful)

HappyCycling (565803) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679510)

If the industry follows suit then that's what the market is demanding. It sucks that the idea of an open platform isn't what people want, but that's the way economies work.

Re:Here's your roundup (4, Interesting)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679258)

You want my advice? Don't buy an iPhone. Or any number of the other phones that don't offer developer access for users.

I remember my first Sprint phone, which had a four-note polyphonic midi player built-in, and I was so excited, I started to make my own midi files, but couldn't figure out how to import them. I called their support and they said that it was impossible, that this was special encoded data and all ring tones had to be purchased.

I called BS on it, and told them that it was all bits, and I should be able to do what I wanted. The support monkey said no.

A few weeks later, someone leaked the information; turns out you just needed a special HTTP header line to tell the phone that it was a Sprint-sanctioned ring tone, and it would download fine. Once it was published, I wrote a script to allow me to upload a MIDI file to my web site, which would then send a text message with the right URL to access it to my phone, and I would download it. It was awesome.

A month later, Sprint came out with phones that allowed the user to edit midi files right on the phone itself.

I guess I'm getting old. I'm sure there was a point in there somewhere. Maybe it's that all of the cell phone vendors and service providers have their own control issues. If you don't like it, as you say, vote with your wallet.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679596)

You want my advice? Don't buy an iPhone. Or any number of the other phones that don't offer developer access for users.

I'm an iPad user and I have developer access to my device... Granted I had to pay $99 for it, I can do almost anything with it.

Re:Here's your roundup (1)

dloose (900754) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679566)

Well thanks for letting me know

Left handed (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678828)

So first Apple controls what apps you can use, now they are controlling which hand you can use the iPhone in?

Re:Left handed (5, Funny)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678858)

Apple prefers if you use your phone with both hands, in particular while visiting certain web sites; it keeps you out of trouble and prevents the moisture sensor from triggering.

iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (1, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678916)

Remember?

Cooperative multitasking, rather than preemptive multitasking. The burden of "playing nice" (pun intended for the Unix literate) falls upon the application.

State of the art for desktop computers, circa 87-92.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (-1, Flamebait)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678956)

Exactly like Android then. State of the art circa 87-92.

What the fuck are you talking about? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679154)

Android supports full preemptive multitasking, thanks to it being built on Linux.

You do realize that you can't change reality, or the pain that you suffer from due to having bought an iPhone, by spreading outright lies about non-Apple devices and software, right?

Regardless of what you say or believe, Android will still support preemptive multitasking, while iOS does not.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679046)

It's nothing like cooperative multitasking. In that scheme, one app can hose the entire system, that's what really sucked about it. iOS give apps some API's for background functionality, but if they don't play nice they get shut down.

Geeks will go and argue whether this is "true multitasking", app switching, etc, but in the end all that will matter is that what end users want to do will just work (play some music in the background, have a voip call come through, keep a gps app navigating, whatever).

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (2, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679338)

Geeks will go and argue whether this is "true multitasking", app switching, etc, but in the end all that will matter is that what end users want to do will just work (play some music in the background, have a voip call come through, keep a gps app navigating, whatever).

1995 just called. They want their pro-Macintosh argument back.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679264)

iPhone has preemptive multitasking, too, it's just not fully exposed to applications.

However, a misbehaving application cannot prevent others from running, which was the case with true cooperative multitasking OSes, such as Win3.x.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679282)

Chizwell, is that you?

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679308)

Actually, Amigas had preemptive multitasking in a desktop in 1985.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (1)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679358)

No... it's not cooperative multitasking, it's preemptive - the "the developer must do some work" part is that unless you specifically ask not to be, you will *always* be preempted.

Re:iOS4 = Windows 3.0? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679428)

iOS is based on Max OSX and supports real threads and preemption. No need to "yield".

There's no app burden to play nice; instead it's an app burden to run in the background at all. They basically neuter any apps running in the background by limiting them to certain tasks explicitly registered with their API.

Re:Left handed (5, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678924)

They couldn't justify cutting my Apps out of the market place. I had left-handed solitaire, left-handed minesweeper. I was starting a smorgasbord of left handed products. With no justifiable reason to keep me out, and with all the bad press lately about them selectively choosing their App store, they've decided to lock me out at the hardware level.

Those dastardly fiends!

Re:Left handed (1, Informative)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678960)

Well it is obvious that you should hold all iDevices not in your left hand but in you non dominant hand. For most people that is the left. You need to do this so that you dominant hand is free to give Steve the hand job he deserves from his faithful.

Re:Left handed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32678982)

Apple prefers you to hold the phone in your right hand and masturbate over it with the left hand.

Reception seems bad for either hand (1, Interesting)

magnet0 (1765234) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678838)

It seems it's not just lefties who are getting bad reception on the new iPhone; it's anyone holding it in either hand. Here's a link to a video and a round up of stories: http://magnetowasright.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/better-wait-to-get-a-new-iphone/ [wordpress.com] Once again, Apple has put out a beta product that's not fully tested.

Re:Reception seems bad for either hand (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679294)

So far it seems that which hand you hold it in defines which kind of signal will be inhibited - cell, or WiFi.

Re:Reception seems bad for either hand (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679318)

Apparently, the issue is caused by the bottom-left corner of the phone. They did test it, though. I guess you missed the whole story about the engineer losing test phone out in the wild.

You forgot one (4, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678866)

The screens have yellow spots [engadget.com] . Apparently these "retina" displays have cataracts.

Re:You forgot one (5, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678902)

Re:You forgot one (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679028)

Apple also denied up and down that their 27" iMacs had yellow tint problems. Even when there were thousands of people complaining and posting pictures. So, y'know, I'll wait to reserve judgment, thanks.

Re:You forgot one (5, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679040)

The difference though is this isn't Apple saying that they don't have problems, it is a well-informed person telling what is wrong in a very un-Apple way

Apple is using a bonding agent called Organofunctional Silane Z-6011 to bond the layers of glass. Apparently, Apple (or more likely Foxconn) is shipping these products so quickly that the evaporation process is not complete. However, after one or two days of use, especially with the screen on, will complete the evaporation process and the yellow "blotches" will disappear. How do I know? I was involved in pitching Z-6011 to Apple.

No one is denying that it exists, its just that it could very well just be the bonding agent not drying yet.

Re:You forgot one (5, Funny)

iceborer (684929) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679102)

That's angel urine. They don't allow bathroom breaks on the iPhone's heavenly assembly lines.

Not enough hype! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32678896)

Need more iphone news!

What about the bowel movements of the first 1000 iPhone 4 owners? Were they solid and easy to pass, as with previous iPhone releases?
And what about the friends of iPhone 4 owners? Do they suddenly have the urge to have sex with their long time school chums simply because they own the greatest cell phone ever made?

Slashdot's inability to cover these basic basic aspects of the iPhone 4 kickoff is really a clear indication that it is not as good as it used to be.

iPhone.

It's Official (4, Funny)

organgtool (966989) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678898)

Steve Jobs doesn't care about left handed people. - Kanye

Re:It's Official (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679172)

I hear that Steve Jobs is left handed.

I just want to know if everybody palms their phone like in the video. Considering now small it is, your palm would end resting on your jaw as you talk. Personally, I us the fingertips.

It's still mostly used for calls... (4, Insightful)

ProdigyPuNk (614140) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678952)

Perhaps Apple (and others) need to shift emphasis back towards the actual calling features of their phones. Who wants a phone that drops calls if you hold it wrong ? It's great that it has new software, etcetc, but any phone I would consider buying needs to include basic features like better than average reception, a decent sounding speaker/mic, and most importantly, does not drop calls if you touch it in it's no-no spot.

Re:It's still mostly used for calls... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679200)

That's one of the reasons why I mostly use Nokia. They don't always have the best features but the development platform is open and the phone works very well as a phone. Nokia tends to have the best radio/reception and sound quality of any brand I have tried.

They did (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679286)

The new iPhone actually does address a lot of the calling complaints.

If you read the engadget review, the metal external antenna really do improve signal and ( for them) eliminated dropped calls.

The speakers are supposed to be improved for hearing people, and the phone had two microphones now so it can do noise cancelation.

Basically, they did a lot of things to improve call quality.

Re:It's still mostly used for calls... (2, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679330)

Perhaps Apple (and others) need to shift emphasis back towards the actual calling features of their phones.

People still make phone calls?

Who wants a phone that drops calls if you hold it wrong ?

What's your basis for this accusation? The latest iPhone has just gotten out to consumers. Have you tested its call quality? Perhaps Apple has been paying attention to this area? That would help explain why a prototype was found in the wild.

Re:It's still mostly used for calls... (2, Funny)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679360)

I see it as eliminating one of the biggest disadvantages of carrying a mobile phone. If I don't have reliable inbound / outbound calls then I don't have to make the pretense of answering calls I don't want.

Re:It's still mostly used for calls... (1)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679506)

Any improvement Apple makes is negated by AT&T network, or so I've heard.

a LIMITED "unlimited" plan,

congested networks,

horrible signal strength,

I live in Australia, and having a choice over your service provider is really a game changer.

Part of the reason Android is doing well over there in America is because of iPhone's exclusivity, I assume.

Almost everyone on the bus/train in Sydney is using an iPhone now, and most of them haven't even heard of an "Android"

Without the network problems on your mind, the choice is much simpler, I guess.

Re:It's still mostly used for calls... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679540)

and most importantly, does not drop calls if you touch it in it's no-no spot.

You mean that "Red-phone" button? :)

Privacy Violations are BS (3, Interesting)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678962)

At least almost certainly.

MuscleNerd, one of the, if not THE foremost Apple device hacker out there has implied he has done code inspection and just through common sense says its all BS.

There are a few tweets on the matter but this is one of the more telling:

http://twitter.com/MuscleNerd/status/16876551921

Re:Privacy Violations are BS (0, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679400)

This is Slashdot, which sucks Google's dick at every opportunity. Google has a competing phone platform, so Slashdot is going to put out as much FUD as possible about the phone, and Apple-haters will do their part in the comments to further the image that everything is going horribly wrong and that Apple is evil for regulating what runs on their platforms (just like Google, Microsoft, and every console manufacturer already does).

makes little technical sense (2, Interesting)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32678964)

Apple's restrictions on multitasking make little sense from a technical point of view. From other platforms, we know that is not a major battery drain, and it's perfectly possible for a scheduler to do automatically whatever Apple's special APIs are trying to achieve.

Unless Apple just doesn't know what they are doing, the real reason behind Apple's restrictions on multitasking is more likely the same as their restrictions on scripting languages and alternative development environments: they want to keep control. With multitasking, you could run local file servers and local web servers. You could create new applications delivery platforms, local music servers, and a local file system and file manager.

Re:makes little technical sense (3, Insightful)

matt_macleod (1158215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679146)

This is a completely nonsensical argument. Apple already have complete control over applications that are available through the app store and, as such, there's no need for technical limitations to prevent people from running such services in the background. I've seen many people claim that Apple's multitasking "sucks," but I've yet to see any convincing argument as to why it would be implemented in such a way for anything other than the reasons they profess!

Re:makes little technical sense (4, Insightful)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679588)

This is a completely nonsensical argument. Apple already have complete control over applications that are available through the app store

That's an obvious but wrong response. Apple also wouldn't have to declare any explicit prohibitions on scripting languages, they could just turn down applications, but the resulting uncertainty would be bad for developers. Therefore, when Apple doesn't want unrestricted multitasking, they need to communicate and implement that somehow in a way that doesn't create hazards for their developers.

By defining a specific set of APIs and laying down the rule "no multitasking except through these APIs", Apple gets the restrictions they want, developers get clear rules to follow, and users still get the amount of multitasking Apple is willing to give them. In different words, the existence of these extra APIs codifies business strategy.

If you have another explanation, let's hear it, but Apple's explanation is nonsense. Whatever technical goals Apple says they want to achieve, they could simply achieve through small modifications to their scheduler, if need be, on a per-application basis, with much less work for themselves and their developers.

Re:makes little technical sense (5, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679474)

From other platforms, we know that is not a major battery drain

The people who make those platforms would beg to differ, Larry Page himself said that poor battery life in android is usually down to multitasking.

Re:makes little technical sense (5, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679516)

From other platforms, we know that is not a major battery drain, and it's perfectly possible for a scheduler to do automatically whatever Apple's special APIs are trying to achieve.

Um, even Google acknowledges that multitasking hurts battery life. [loopinsight.com] As a geek, that's an acceptable tradeoff because you know about it. For the average consumer that can barely distinguish the difference between Li-Poly and Lipitor, all they'll know is that the battery life on their iPhone sucks and Apple is totally to blame.

With multitasking, you could run local file servers and local web servers. You could create new applications delivery platforms, local music servers, and a local file system and file manager.

With the iPhone, Apple succeeded in selling a smartphone to consumers by hiding all the complexities of a smartphone like the filesystem and a file manager. And you want to undo all of that? Maybe perhaps Apple didn't design the iPhone for geeks like you.

OMG! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679024)

Summary of the mass media today:

iPhone4!!! OMG!! OMG! iPhones! 4! OMG!

That's about it.

Seriously people, don't buy your own golden cage.

Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679030)

The multitasking complaint seems kind of off to me - he complains about the tray being "cluttered" after you go through a few apps because they are automatically added to the tray. But the tray is just four apps wide - how can you have clutter in only four items? And he complains he needs to press and hold to quit an app - but also complains most apps are just suspended. So then why quit an app? It's not doing anything and will be removed if you are low on memory.

Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus (2, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679212)

But the tray is just four apps wide - how can you have clutter in only four items?

My iPhone's tray is six icons wide [modmyi.com] , you insensitive clod!

Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus (2, Insightful)

mmarlett (520340) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679296)

Yeah, as I was reading the story on my ios4 3GS iPhone, I couldn't figure out what he was talking about. It seems completely made up. Like he got drunk, hacked his own phone and then blacked out only to wake up later all angry and confused. He seems to believe that all apps need multitasking, and the truth is that most really don't. I can only do so much at once.

Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus (3, Insightful)

Darak (1841126) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679520)

The OS is supposed to manage itself the memory consumption and automatically close background apps as needed, with no interaction needed from the user. The tasks tray is simply a history of recent applications: background applications are guaranteed to be there, but this will be also the clase of old applications with no background support. So yes, you can press and hold to remove apps from the list - but you're not supposed or required to do so.

In my humble opinion, this is a good thing. Many users have enough problems understanding the concept of running applications in the background, and more so in a small screen where there is no permanent dock or taskbar.

Re:Multitasking complaint is kind of bogus (1)

snakegriffin (1597867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679636)

I'm not sure exactly how "wide" it is, but mine is currently showing the last 22 apps used. You swipe through the tray, it doesn't only hold 4. So no, the complaint isn't bogus, but multitasking is definitely not intuitive.

phone-hand issues (4, Funny)

demonbug (309515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679034)

Apparently Apple's testers discovered some new way of using phones that does not include holding it in your hand.

Also;

You mean you have to use your hands?
That's like a baby's toy!

New Flash! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32679036)

Apple does it again, say Wall Street analysts. As millions of Apple fans queue up worldwide to pay $700 for a phone that has poor reception, shitty multi-tasking, and serious design flaws, Wall Street has been pouring accolades on the company.

"Big business is all about finding idiots, and then taking their money," said one analyst. "Clearly, Apple is at the top of heap right now."

Bill Gates was forced to agree. "In Microsoft's prime, we could get away with some of what Apple does. Restrictive DRM, vendor lock-in. But Steve is getting people to wait in line for a phone that can't complete phone calls." Bill Gates added, "Let me repeat that. A phone that barely serves it's primary purpose. Chalk it up to marketing, I guess."

Tom Stevens, a grad student without a job, explained Apple's success. "Before, when Microsoft was telling us what we could and couldn't do with our stuff, it was intolerable. How could anyone put up with that kind of behavior from a corporation?"

"But now? Apple gets it. Have you seen their ads? I can make a movie on my phone with my phone! Computers are finally about me." Stevens proudly displayed his new video of cut shots of his breakfast. "I haven't been able to send it to anyone yet - with the reception here I usually have to get some WiFi. Phone calls, forget about it. But look at that sepia effect! Classic."

Added Stevens, "Thank god I had enough room on my last credit card."

Queuing in Hampstead this morning at 6.30 (2, Funny)

QuatermassX (808146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679042)

The queue in Hampstead this morning was 23 strong at 6.30 this morning (I was number 23), though by 7.00 it extended fairly far down Hampstead High Street. Mercifully, Samir in his white Apple iPhone 4 t-shirt came around, checked we were O2 customers and fetched everyone tea, coffee and juice from Gail's on the other side of the road. I didn't dare ask for one of Gail's scrumptious cake (had a slice of birthday cake there a few weeks ago and it was heavenly). I wasn't blessed with the Divine Device until a little past nine, but it all went smoothly with nary a cross word. That's a lie, a rather brash young lady sashayed up and attempted to sweet talk the two chaps behind me into allowing her to queue jump. Her lousy manners were challenged by a whingy American-sounding fellow. She then said "what are you going to do about it? Hit me?" She was Spanish and looked for all the world like some demented Almodóvar-esque creation. She had the good sense to eventually leave. So far the iPhone 4 has been brilliant. Fingers crossed the decent reception will last!

Not trolling... (4, Informative)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679076)

Seriously, is anyone else getting tired of the daily Apple story on the iPhone?

I get it, it's tech that people like, but do we really need daily updates on it? This site tends to be a heavy linux advocate and there is a nice writeup of the EVO 4G on Ars today. Not a peep of that though, MORE APPLE!

Re:Not trolling... (1, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679468)

Well, hello there, selective memory. There are tons of Linux and other articles every single day. The iPhone is a major technology release that has changed phones, so it's going to get stories written about it.

How about you move your cursor to the right side of your window and click the left mouse button on the scroll bar to do what we refer to as "scrolling." By "scrolling," you will move the awful Apple story off of your screen! It's like your very own AdBlock.

So (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679096)

the long and short of it is that I should just jailbreak my iPhone instead?

Reception Issue - Hacked (5, Interesting)

strayant (789108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679220)

I would be curious about the conductivity of certain coatings. I personally hate covers for phones, as they add bulk. As a person with nickel allergies, I have to coat belt buckles and the like with acrylic. I wonder if the same would help this antenna. If so, then they could do something similar in the manufacturing process. They do similar coatings for fishing rods that weather well.

Re:Reception Issue - Hacked (0, Troll)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679394)

I would be curious about the conductivity of certain coatings. I personally hate covers for phones, as they add bulk. As a person with nickel allergies, I have to coat belt buckles and the like with acrylic. I wonder if the same would help this antenna.

Remember, we're dealing with an Apple product here. You have to be careful what you place around them because you don't want to mess up the Reality Distortion Field. Aside from voiding the warranty and causing brain cancer it can induce the user to frequent dark, unclean parts of the Internet and thus get your Apple Acolyte(TM) card revoked. Bad things all.

A little Kool-Aid might do the trick, though.

Dear Slashdot (0, Offtopic)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679238)

If you can't find any decent articles to run, have you thought about just not running any articles until you do find some? It's not like you are forced to publish anything at regular intervals (or are you, by your corporate overlords?)

Reception problem? It's a FEATURE (4, Informative)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679292)

Reception problem?

It's a Feature.

Think about it,

ANY call you accidentally picked up, but want to drop out of, you now have a CONTROLLED method to do so, instead of doing the fake drop out miming.

Just hold the phone with your left hand.

Thank Jobs for this wonderful day we have been blessed with.

Wrong about multitasking (4, Insightful)

dFaust (546790) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679336)

Apparently the author who wrote about multitasking hasn't actually tried it out yet, because he's off-base. While the app tray does quickly get cluttered, as he mentions, the lack of true multitasking is exactly why this doesn't matter - you can have as many apps down there as you want but they're not actively consuming resources. Where he's really off is in his implication that it now becomes difficult to find your apps to switch back to them. Look, if I'm playing Peggle and then use 4, or worst case 8, apps after switching out of Peggle - mentally I just won't even think to look in the task tray for it anymore. I just can't keep track of every app I've used in my brain. The tray will quickly let me switch back to my most recently used apps, which is really handy - but when I want to switch back to the middle of my Peggle game a week and 20 other app uses later I... and this will sound crazy... click the Peggle icon wherever it's located on my main screens. The author seems to think that the only way to resume an app is from the task tray, and that's simply not true.

Granted, I had some uncertainty about how this would work, too. But I grabbed a new iPhone and tried it out to see exactly how it works, rather than hopping on the interwebs and writing up an article with uninformed assumptions which then ended up on the front page of /.

Additionally, he goes on to say that developers have to explicitly add multitasking. While that's true for using the background services, my understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong folks, as I have this on good authority but haven't actually tried it) is that for the base level of background freezing, which for a majority of apps is all that's really needed, all you have to do is recompile the app against iOS 4. It's not automagic, but it's really not so bad as the author implies. The worst bit about it is submitting to the app store, but it should be pretty painless to get to that point.

Granted, it's not true multitasking. Everyone knows that by now. But frankly, I'd rather the phone always be responsive and maintain its battery life than have true multitasking for the vast majority of the things that I do and have no desire to have to actively manage my apps (which contrary to the author's claims, I don't have to do). Maybe some day I'll change my mind on that. Maybe right now this level of multitasking isn't good enough for many people out there. And that's cool, we have options now - get one of the many excellent Android phones. But please don't write a blog post of inaccuracies.

didnt original Mac have minimal multi-tasking? (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679412)

Its been a long time since I coded for it. But I recall you only got CPU cycles for the window in control. There were a few hacks to make small apps called accessories (e.g. a clock) multi-task and to do background print rasterizing. But for the most part the original Mac was single tasking I recall.

Blacklisted jailbrakes (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679508)

Well, you do have a right to do what you want with your device ( once its paid off ) but it is their network you are asking to use, and its their rules to connect to it, regardless of what we think. Now if the blacklist disabled your device ( AT&T service not withstanding, or canceling your warranty ) then there is a problem. If it sticks with disabling your access to THEIR network, oh well.

Its their right ( but then again, its our right not to choose their service... )

Multitasking as the dev's responsiblity. Common? (4, Informative)

the.aham (839985) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679558)

From the TechWorld iOS4 multitasking article [techworld.com] in the summary:

Waiting for a YouTube video to buffer over a 3G connection? It won't go anywhere unless you're staring at the loading screen.

Honestly, doesn't this also happen by default with applications on other mobile OS'es like Android, unless the developer specifies otherwise in the app's code?

From what I understand about the Android application life cycle under normal circumstances, once an Activity (the app's presentation layer, what you interact with) is completely obscured, the application's host process becomes a "background" process. Meaning, the app's Activities aren't visible and there are no Services running, thereby making the app's host process one of the first processes to be killed off so to allocate resources. (Service example: a media player running in the background while you're actively using another app). For an app's host process to remain in an active state, the app must have a running Activity, Service or Broadcast Receiver. In my following the Android dev tutorials, I've seen that only the Activity is absolutely required - Services and Broadcast Receivers are added only when you need them for your app to fulfill it's intended purpose.

So, in the case of buffering the YouTube video, if I were writing an Android app to do just that, I'd have to have explicitly created a Service to keep buffering the video while I used another app. If I didn't create a Service to keep buffering when the app's Activity exited the active state, then my app would do just what the article says - the app does nothing until I explicitly return to the app.

Am I missing something?

Re:Multitasking as the dev's responsiblity. Common (2, Informative)

the.aham (839985) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679634)

Full quote that should've been referenced (emphasis mine):

But most apps won't do anything except go to sleep, which means one of the classic tricks of multitasking, loading one task while you perform another, is not available unless the developer adds that function under a special task completion API. Some apps, such as Flickr, may take advantage of this feature for large file transfers, but others won't. Waiting for a YouTube video to buffer over a 3G connection? It won't go anywhere unless you're staring at the loading screen.

To summarize.... (1, Interesting)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 4 years ago | (#32679586)

One guy doesn't like how multitasking works. He thinks the multitasking tray is cluttered.

Somebody unidentified alleged that Apple is tracking jailbreaks.

I assume there's a story about lots of people waiting in lines, but that one's blocked here at work. (ComputerWorld had a story recently about what was likely to happen today, and was predicting lines. They also mentioned eBay prices of up to fifteen thousand dollars for an iPhone.)

One person is having problems when touching the lower left corner of one iPhone. Neither the other one the guy bought that day nor the review model had that problem.

CmdrTaco is desperate for iPhone news to put on the front page.

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