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ACTA Is Backta, New Round of Talks Start Today

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the forgive-me-rhyming-gods dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Negotiations on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement resume today in Lucerne, Switzerland, with the ninth round of talks. The Toronto Star highlights the mounting opposition to the deal from developing world countries such as India and China, while Michael Geist has posted a video of a recent lecture that provides background on the agreement and where things currently stand."

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73 comments

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32715356)

This is a good thing for all concerned !!

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (2, Interesting)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715700)

This is a good thing for all concerned !!

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as absolutely good for all concerned. Remember, "Everything is gray".

IP could be good for many people, and I would love to see it being applied fairly. But when people choose money over humanity, the things start getting ugly.

I still remember when India was discussing about joining WTO, their biggest concern was something they had been doing since ages, but patented in US (example Basmati rice). It was general impression with Indians that the moment India joins WTO, somebody from US would stand with gun in front of farmers in India, preventing them from growing Basmati rice they have been doing for generations.

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32716290)

See http://www.biotech-info.net/basmati_patent.html [biotech-info.net] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basmati [wikipedia.org] .

That specific matter has been resolved nowadays, but obviously there is no way to tell what left in store for patent holder.

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (3, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32719048)

The real problem with this whole "anti counterfeiting" thing is, the common man, the "little people" have no voice. Yeah, the talks are more transparent than they were a year or six ago - they've lost their "top secret" status. But, who is speaking for the PEOPLE? Absolutely no one.

Which songs are entering the public domain, this year?

Which movies are entering the public domain this year?

Which patents are entering the public domain?

Which copyright and/or patent laws are being made less restrictive this year?

When I hear that some party to these talks are actively pursuing the overhaul of copyright law, THEN I'll feel that some good may come of ACTA. Until then, I view ACTA as little more than a highway to hell. If one party wins out, we go to Satan's throne room, if another party wins out, we end up in the far reaches of Satan's kingdom. But, it's still hell.

I want 20 year old copyrighted works in the public domain, unless the so-called "rights holder" is willing to pay some HUGE bribes to society. Not to a handful of lawmakers, but to society as a whole. Give something to us "little people", in exchange for a continued monopoly on some specific copyrighted work. God knows, that bastard Al Gore doesn't need anything, or Obama, or anyone else in Washington. Give something to the school kids, and the moms and dads who have to pay for all the cool schitzls that the school kids need/want.

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32720404)

The real problem with this whole "anti counterfeiting" thing is, the common man, the "little people" have no voice.

Well yeah, the whole is about protecting the interests and "integrity" of commerce. Where do the "little people" fit in?

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32721064)

In case you hadn't noticed, Commerce rides on the backs of the little people who supply manpower, and consume the products of commerce.

Of course, commerce has long ago forgotten that the very concept of commerce is a bargain between the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy, that everyone should benefit from commercial arrangements.

A business license is a license from the people, permitting a person or group of persons to conduct business in such a way that the community benefits. When the community no longer benefits, then the community may revoke the license.

IMHO - society isn't deriving much benefit from copyright and patent law these days. Commercial interests want to hoard all the benefits, and force society to pay over and over for any small benefits that commerce might dispense.

Re:THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM !! (1)

dpastern (1077461) | about 4 years ago | (#32739226)

When they want to make changes to the way copyright work, it *does* concern the little man. You do understand the premise that copyrights were introduced under I hope?

Dave

Spelling error in title (1, Insightful)

kyrio (1091003) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715402)

it should read "back" instead of "backta".

Re:Spelling error in title (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722040)

They should have called the ACTA BACTA® to confuse the EFF. After all, Bacta kept Luke Skywalker alive in the Empire Strikes Back so geeks are predisposed to be in favour of them. Plus bacta® is trademarked by Lucasfilm so they can sue or prior restrain people who discuss it on the internet other than in conjunction with Lucasfilm licensed merchandise like the Extra Special Limited Bacta® Edition Empire Strikes Back pack which comes with life size Bacta® tank, only $199,999.99 (Bacta® not included)

ACTA Is Backta (1, Funny)

Dusthead Jr. (937949) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715454)

Is that a facta?

Re:ACTA Is Backta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32715488)

Is that a facta?

Sounds like you've got the knackta this game.

Re:ACTA Is Backta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32715514)

The joke was already crap..ta

Re:ACTA Is Backta (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715820)

No, quite the opposite, you're confusing it with Bacta [wikia.com] , the medicine (for pretty much anything). "If there's a spark of life, bacta will keep you going."

Re:ACTA Is Backta (1)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725074)

Well if it isn't, they should really post a redacta.

"ACTA is Backta" (5, Insightful)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715506)

Please don't ever do that again.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715536)

It's impossible to mod this sentiment too highly.

No. Just no.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (4, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715810)

No shit. It seems that many of the sites I've been reading have dropped to the level of some unknown blog, with lots of stupid things like this. Attention: your audience isn't a bunch of third-graders who are amused by headlines like that, among other cheap attempts at making something funny.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716048)

Dude -- I just thought it sounded kind of silly

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716168)

I laughed, because it was so out of left field. But on the other hand, I also laugh at Scrubs.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32716390)

Why so serious?

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716716)

Because people don't take things seriously enough.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32720186)

If you take yourself seriously, no one else will. Sometimes, it's good to have some levity. Sometimes, fighting lunacy with lunacy is the best option.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32717102)

(turns off the pr0n). Yo chill! Homie don't play dat.

Clearly this ACTA will be shoved through the same way NAFTA, DMCA, Pelosicare, and the EU Lisbon Treaty was shoved through even though 70-80% were against all of those bills/treaties. Alex Jones claims it's because governments are being run by a banking elite and megacorporations, but I don't think it's anything so complicated. I believe our leaders in the EU, US, and elsewhere have simply decided they are the new nobility, and they are blessed by god/time/fate/whatever to rule over the serfs (us). i.e. Democracy is dead; the People are ignored.

ACTA will pass. It might change names (like the EU Constitution was renamed Lisbon Treaty) but eventually it will pass in direct opposition to our wishes.

L8r.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (3, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718004)

Alex Jones claims it's because governments are being run by a banking elite and megacorporations, but I don't think it's anything so complicated.

Then you, sir, have lost sight of the power of lobbying.

ACTA, and anything related to trade and copyright have been pushed through because they've been beneficial to business interests. Most of the US bailout funds was spent on big banks because it would be awful if they had any inconvenience. Then, 6 months later, they're paying it back from record profits so they don't need to listen to the government telling them what they should do.

'The people' are ignored because they're not making campaign contributions on the scale of the MPAA/RIAA, and ACTA is being pushed through because precisely those industries want to be sure that the world is beholden to the US DMCA style laws.

You are correct, the politicians have decided they're the modern elite -- but, they still take a lot of direction from the corporations who tell them how they want things run.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725180)

I agree, it's businesses who are running this. But I solely blame government. They are responsible for passing the laws, not businesses. Any half-intelligent business will try to have the laws changed in their favor. It's the government's job to not do so. And yeah, it's silly to think that they could resist that money, which is why it shouldn't exist in the first place. Scale it all back, dismantle most of it; it's a tumor that's grown bigger than the host, and threatens society.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32719332)

Dammit. I used to think that I liked you. Now I hate you. Why? Because you are right, of course. You're perfectly right. It matters not that as much as 99% of the population opposes a measure - if the government wants it, they will find some sneaky, underhanded way to ram it down our throats. Failing that, they'll ram it up our asses - it makes little difference to them.

Ehhh - I don't hate you - I just hate your message for being so damned right.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | about 4 years ago | (#32740564)

I thought the Lisbon treaty gave the EU Parliament the ability to veto things like ACTA (and they've been expressing increasingly critical viewpoints about ACTA)?

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32717268)

Ummm. Dude.... Have you not been paying attention lately?

Yes they are really that stupid...

Evidence to support: facebook, myspace, digg, youtube, twitter are so popular.

The very fact that 'rickroll' got to be so popular should speak volumes about how stupid the average internet user really is....

Personally i blame aol for this mess.. They got the barrier to entry so low that its no wonder the net is populated by the lowest common users.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725202)

Nono, things like Rickroll, lolcats, AYBABTU, STFU are funny, and I love those. You just don't mix those with serious topics. Man, I can get myself laughing just reciting that Yoda STFU one: "Up the shut fuck". Laughing right now.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#32719244)

"Attention: your audience isn't a bunch of third-graders"

No shit, Sherlock. We know that some of you are fourth graders, who feel so superior to the little 3rd graders.

Personally, I thought the title fell just short of "cute". Someone making an unapologetic attempt at some juvenile humor. Refreshing. Not quite cute, but almost there.

Now, stop whining. A little originality and thinking outside the box are always welcome here.

Re:"ACTA is Backta" (1)

SlowMovingTarget (550823) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722834)

Yes. That unfairly got my hopes up that we had legislated the healing liquid from Star Wars into being. I was thinking, "Wow! That's an awesome fix bill to ObamaCare!" only to be crushed by disappointment after checking the spelling.

ACTA (2, Insightful)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715516)

ACTA is megalomaniac masturbation of the political and business elite.

RE-ACTA (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715594)

Dear sir, I find your statement offensive... masturbation never harmed anyone!!!

Re:RE-ACTA (2, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715628)

The political and business elite don't consider anyone who would be harmed by this to be people.

Re:RE-ACTA (2, Funny)

inamorty (1227366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715670)

Have you seen Edward Scissor Hands around lately?
I rest my case!

Re:RE-ACTA (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716724)

its masturbation in preparation to the ass raping they will give the plebs once the agreement turns "law".

Re:ACTA (4, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716032)

It's not masturbation, it's gang rape. We're all going to be fucked by it.

Re:ACTA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32717714)

unless you tailor the policy to meet your needs. well, the needs of the corporation.

Re:ACTA (1)

Atriqus (826899) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725114)

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that the concensus here is we're calling rule 34 on international draconian copyright laws.

Backta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32715554)

ACTA IS BACKTA! It's what mortal wounds crave!

No surprise (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715576)

For comparison, consider efforts to get voter approval for casino gambling in my home state. The potential casino owners attempted to get approval in just about every election, and despite being shot down 2 times eventually won on the third try. Why did they keep trying? Because even if they had to spend $100 million in advertising and campaigning, they knew that the upside was much higher than that. So they were continually willing to spend whatever money and time it took to win.

ACTA is much like this. The copyright owners believe it will make them huge sums of money long-term, quite possibly in the $trillions. So they will keep spending the time and the money to propose ACTA or ACTA-like ideas until their opponents run out of time and money.

Re:No surprise (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718216)

OT, but in my state, they not only got slots approved, but actually managed to have the State government purchase the slot machines for them.

Evil From a Democratic Point of View (5, Insightful)

darkonc (47285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715580)

Negotiating, in secret, a treaty that is likely to result in 'A responsibility' to pass a change in the laws of a country is intrinsically undemocratic and, as such, evil from a point of view of democratic principles.

Freedom of speech is meaningless if the issues about which one has cause to speak are shrouded in maximal secrecy.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (5, Insightful)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715794)

Oh, that's easy. They'll just negotiate new meanings of words, like this:
Freedom - licensed ability to use product, service or feature*.
Speech - licensed ability to use copyrighted words and symbols of $language_of_choice for intercommunication**.

* Subscription plans for advanced "freedoms" are available to premium users. Basic "freedom" pack includes a "freedom" to pay for services/products/features and "freedom" to consume advertising.
** Basic license grants ability to intercommunicate only with one other person. Mass intercommunication (with 2 or more persons at once) available only to premium users.

After that you can enjoy your "freedom" of "speech" as much as you wish.***

***After exceeding a prepaid limit of enjoyment additional fees will be charged.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715962)

Negotiating, in secret, a treaty that is likely to result in 'A responsibility' to pass a change in the laws of a country is intrinsically undemocratic and, as such, evil from a point of view of democratic principles.
Freedom of speech is meaningless if the issues about which one has cause to speak are shrouded in maximal secrecy.

The democratic process is dead. What options are left to us?

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (4, Informative)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716474)

>The democratic process is dead. What options are left to us?

Boomsticks and boompacks. What else? The self-appointed elite sees no reason to listen to the little people, the little people must use extreme measures.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32716732)

They're not self-appointed. We gave it to them. We let them keep it. We gave them more. We made them what we are and we have only ourselves to blame.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (2, Insightful)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718796)

Did you elect Sony's CEO? I didn't. Did you give your representative a mandate to uphold your rights or to uphold Virgin's shareholders' profits? Because I see no such mandate in my constitution. Did you vote for them because you wanted your country's laws changed as ordered by Big Media? Because I didn't. And lo and behold, all parties left and right jumped at Big Money's orders except for some fringe movements which can and will be safely ignored because they simply lack the numbers, and won't be able to reach critical mass in time.

Last time I checked, throwing your citizens' rights into the toilet to favor Big Business (especially foreign big business) in exchange for "campaign contributions" is bribery and selling your country's sovereignty to private entities is treason in my book.

Since there is no lawful way to remove those turds from their seats, I say burn them.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32721818)

Did you vote for them because you wanted your country's laws changed as ordered by Big Media?

Did you vote them out when they sold their souls? Should we really blame big business just because they are more united than we are? Yes, we did give to them, because we thought we could get a piece of the action in some way. Given the power, 90% of the public would show just as much greed as any corporate beast. That's just the way things are, and why nothing's going to change for a long time.

Everything in nature will grow as big as it can, until it falls down or blows up.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722842)

Yes, I did vote them out. Did anything change? No.
If big business says they own your house because they're wealthier and more united than you are, does it make it right?
Given the power, I'd throw it into the toilet. Too much hassle. I don't like telling people what to do, because I don't like being told what to do.
Why are you a corporate apologist, by the way? Do you work for them? If so, are you aware that you're a legitimate target?

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32723426)

Keep on voting them out... What I see in the states is a 95% reelection rate. Promises are routinely made and broken, yet a win at the polls is a dead cert. It's up to us to turn our backs on the bling. If we won't do it, nobody will. What are you demanding actually? That a bunch of crooks rewrite the law? What's the incentive for them if it just cost them their careers?

And don't assume I'm speaking of you personally. You are simply in the minority, as shown by the numbers. A corporate apologist wouldn't point out that the public is a bunch of dumbasses for voting for their sockpuppets. It would be out there hyping the democrats/republicans as their only hope to keep their homes and jobs. A corporate apologist depends on public greed. I want to expose it. The monster they fight is their own creation.

Still 2 boxes left (2, Insightful)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32717122)

The jury box, unlikely to succeed in all honesty.

The ammo box, where it all seems to be heading.

I would prefer that blood not be shed but as History has shown, sometimes its the only way left to bring about change. For good or ill, there will be blood.

Re:Still 2 boxes left (1)

chilvence (1210312) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725104)

I'm sure there are a few things more worthy of bloodlust than imaginary property. You don't 'win' an arms race by upping the stakes. I thought people here were supposed to be clever. Do you beat someone to death because the sandwich you ordered wasn't quite to your liking? If silly shit like this makes you jump straight to thinking 'armed revolution' then I worry about the future...

Re:Still 2 boxes left (1)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#32725308)

I am in agreement with you about that. IP isn't worth a revolution.

My comment was directed more at the world in general. Seeing how everything is going overall, the slow erosion of basic Human rights in even the country's that are "Free", the corruption of governments and religions, the greed. History has shown that when the "Ruling Elite", as it were, reaches a point where they have become so disconnected from the "common people" that the elite can not even comprehend how some people struggle just to find food.

A revolution is on the horizon, it is my devote hope that it will be a spiritual and intellectual rather than an armed. There are some things that are worth risking your life for, but most things are not.

I think it really boils down to where the tipping point is, if enough people say "Enough" soon enough the worst can be avoided, but if the general apathy continues then it will reach a point where things are going to get ugly.

Or to use the car analogy that is so popular, the engine light just came on, act now and you just have to add some water to the radiator, wait too long enough and the engine is going to need replacement.

I think we are still at the point where we can replace the cracked water hose and thermostat, add some coolant and we're ready to roll. But are we going to do anything useful in time?

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718056)

> The democratic process is dead. What options are left to us?

It is dead (at least in the US) because the people have allowed it to die. How many locations have laws ONLY permitting Democratic or Republican candidates for senate/congress/presidential races? How many have voter's sign up in advance as either republican or democrat and then hand out pre-filled in and/or custom ballots based on which party they have signed up for, and CAN'T vote differently on election day, even if they were aware enough of their surroundings to do so [hello Florida, glad you could make it]?

You allowed it to die with indifference and being bought off with pretty baubles.

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

darkonc (47285) | about 4 years ago | (#32769042)

How many have voter's sign up in advance as either republican or democrat and then hand out pre-filled in and/or custom ballots based on which party they have signed up for, and CAN'T vote differently on election day

Excuse my language, but are you f*cking serious!!??????

Re:Evil From a Democratic Point of View (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#32721058)

What options are left to us?

The next life..

Posted by CmdrTaco? You mean kdawson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32715596)

did kdawson hack CmdrTaco account?

Standings (4, Informative)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 4 years ago | (#32715784)

Where you stand with the ACTA agreement if implemented.... no need to worry about it, it will cut the legs off of ordinary people, whilst pandering to big money to tighten it's grip on the little people. Thus the problem of "where you stand" will be eliminated.

Re:Standings (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716774)

Here in the United States, when it comes to copyrights, we haven't been standing for a while now. We've been bent over and taking it from behind. Companies are well on their way to getting their dream of perpetual copyright, and are also on the verge of being able to calculate lawsuit settlements in with their planned revenue. They want to build a magic device within the United States' legal system to let them have their cake and eat it too. Currently they're exploring the option of just having their customers bake them a new cake as fast as they can eat the old one.

You can't win (4, Informative)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 4 years ago | (#32716218)

you're up against full time lawyers, and you're just a bunch of starry eyed idealists with day jobs & kids on the way.

Re:You can't win (4, Insightful)

Rudeboy777 (214749) | more than 4 years ago | (#32717236)

As much as I'd like to share in your despair, there are always new starry-eyed idealists coming right up behind the generation that now has a day-job and kids. You may tell them to get off your lawn, but they will always be an important force in the world.

But they control the debate (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 4 years ago | (#32740632)

my niece's TV shows (Hanna Montana) depict file sharing as something evil that will get you put in jail and taken away. For real. Google the summaries if you don't believe.

The new starry-eyed idealists will come up, but they're ideas will be in line with what ACTA's creators want.

So unless you've got something better, I'm going back to despair. At least it's real.

Re:You can't win (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718200)

Well, to be fair, there are a lot of lawyers whose day jobs are essentially working to oppose ACTA. They're both academics like Geist and activists working at places like the EFF and Public Knowledge. Also, industry and business are not unanimously behind ACTA at all. The Consumer Electronics Association opposes it, for example. So do companies like Google and eBay, but they haven't been very vocal about it, likely because they don't want to upset content owners and big trademark names respectively.

That said, I agree with your conclusion - we can't win. I have no doubt that ACTA will be concluded and signed by Obama. However, the pressure exerted so far has gotten us unofficial leaks, official draft texts, and the removal of specific provisions that were especially controversial. By keeping the pressure applied, we can affect things, if only slightly.

bit3h (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32716340)

ultimaTelY, we [goat.cx]

ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32717096)

I downloaded the version of ACTA posted previously. Considering the title is the Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, I figured it would talk about the illegal production of currency, with a page or two that lobbyists stuck in the middle dealing with copyright infringement. So I did a text search on "money," "coin" and "currency."

The only results were talking about whether money exchanges hands for illegally copied works.

In other words, the Anti COUNTERFEITING Trade Agreement has nothing to do with the illegal production of false currency. Nothing whatsoever. The "Counterfeiting" in the title refers to simple copyright infringement. It's trying to equate copyright infringement with one of the most serious crimes a sovereign nation can face.

If a treaty has to lie right in the title in order not to provoke outrage by the citizens of the countries governed by it, it's a bad treaty. No exceptions.

Re:ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting. (1)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 4 years ago | (#32717536)

Mod parent up - it's not an anon troll, it's the kind of post that's written anonymously for good reason.

Re:ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32717954)

counterfeit v.t. Imitate (an action, thing, etc.) with intent to deceive; make a fraudulent imitation of (money etc.).

Counterfeit covers money but it also covers fake Rolex watches, fake medicines, fake DVDs, etc.

Re:ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting. (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722590)

counterfeit v.t. Imitate (an action, thing, etc.) with intent to deceive; make a fraudulent imitation of (money etc.).

Counterfeit covers money but it also covers fake Rolex watches, fake medicines, fake DVDs, etc.

....fake copyright treaties....

Not $ counterfeiting, but trademark infringement (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32718136)

You're spot on, ACTA has zilch to do with currency counterfeiting. The title comes from the time when it was envisioned as a tool to deal with fake Gucci, D&G, & Louis Vuitton products, basically. Knock-off purses, sunglasses, clothing, all that stuff you can buy in the streets of every major city from vendors who spread them out on blankets.

Then ACTA got an Internet chapter! Which is funny, you know, because there's really not much counterfeiting of that type going on online. (Actually, there is, what with the cases filed against eBay for allowing third parties to sell fake handbags and perfumes, but the Internet chapter is all about copyright infringement, not trademark infringement). And it wants to export all the bad parts of the DMCA and US copyright law generally, with very few of the good parts.

Then some countries decided for good measure to throw patent infringement into the mix, and all of the sudden, ACTA was no longer about handbags, but about ALL intellectual property law, affecting potentially every sector and issue IP geeks care about: the Internet, free speech, access to information, generic medicines and public health, innovation, etc.

Meanwhile, it's conveniently kept the same title, since it's much less interesting sounding than "Important IP Treaty (but not really a treaty, since it doesn't require Congressional ratification) that will effectively rewrite many laws (even though we keep saying it won't, which is funny because if that's really true, why is anyone signing it) and screw over users, independent producers, and several major sectors."

Re:ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting-DUH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32718426)

"Counterfeit" means a false version of *anything*. It's not just currency. DUH. You can have counterfeit Prada bags, counterfeit Nintendo cartridges, counterfeit anything. GET IT? But you are correct that they are burying in copyright issues as if they are the same thing. That is the real agenda... to place copyright infringement in the same bag as counterfeit goods.

Re:ACTA has nothing to do with counterfeiting. (2, Informative)

SheeEttin (899897) | more than 4 years ago | (#32723228)

It's not referring to currency counterfeiting, but goods counterfeiting, like that guy on the street that sells "Rolex" watches for $5, or the guy that sells DVDs out the back of a station wagon.
Of course, I assume that was the original target, but the final bill is apparently more targeted at your everyday consumer, trying to put all the power in the hands of corporations.

!Bacta (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#32717248)

Not intended for medical use a long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away.
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