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Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flash

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the stiff-competition-for-market-penetration dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Here's an interesting new angle to the ongoing Flash-HTML5 debate. Digital Playground, one of the major adult film studios, said it would drop Flash today if all browsers were HTML5-ready (*cough*, IE8, *cough*). The company's founder said, 'Flash brings everything to a crawl and has an impact on battery life. With HTML5, there is no reason to show our content in Flash.' Digital Playground also indicated that it does not expect 3-D to gain mass acceptance any time soon."

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Obligatory (4, Funny)

JustinRLynn (831164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722018)

[insert stupid flash pun]

Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flesh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722188)

There you go. Satisfied?

Re:Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flesh (1)

JustinRLynn (831164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722232)

That is actually how I read the headline the first time.
...How long until all porn is CG? Or at least performance capture ~ digital makeup (Avatar style)?

Re:Porn Industry Ready To Drop Flesh (2, Informative)

Americano (920576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722724)

Hopefully never, at least fully. I'd much prefer real, natural-looking girls to the cosmetic surgery-enhanced freaks that some of the porn stars have turned into today, and would be very disappointed to see it turn into a bunch of Sims-style "animated" bullshit.

Re:Obligatory (5, Funny)

InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722242)

"We're boned." - Adobe's CEO

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722264)

What was it again: Apple didn't want a Porn appstore... But does support HTML5 on it's iPad/iPhone.

Reminds me of Video2000 v.s. VHS.

Hopefully this will not increase those guys who find it funny to watch this stuff on the train etc.

never gonna work (4, Funny)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722036)

untill you can get all workplaces to upgrade their browsers, the porn industry is never gonna drop flash

Re:never gonna work (2, Insightful)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722058)

the porn industry caters to workplace browsers?

Re:never gonna work (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722104)

the porn industry caters to workplace browsers?

Believe it or not, there are workplaces (like mine) where the porn industry is a large part of our business...

Re:never gonna work (5, Funny)

daremonai (859175) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722156)

We're aware of that, Senator.

Re:never gonna work (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722346)

the porn industry caters to workplace browsers?

Believe it or not, there are workplaces (like mine) where the porn industry is a large part of our business...

Get back to work regulating oil drilling, fucker.

Re:never gonna work (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722658)

You work at the Securities and Exchange Commission?

Re:never gonna work (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722394)

What? You've never heard of NSFW Wednesdays?

Re:never gonna work (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722074)

Think you have it the other way around ... porn has driven tech industry and consumer electronics for a very long time. No other vendor has the power that PORN does , if porn industry unilaterally decided tomorrow to adopt HTML5 .. in very short time, every computer on the planet would have upgraded their browser. period.

 

Re:never gonna work (0)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722370)

Citation Please

And no falsehoods about the Betamax vs. VHS war, the porn industry played no role in that.

Re:never gonna work (1)

cigawoot (1242378) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722470)

You sure about that?

Re:never gonna work (5, Informative)

Omegium (576650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722594)

Yes. The porn factor is an urban legend. The real reason was that VHS had two hour tapes, and betamax one hour. People choose the ability to record complete sport matches over picture quality.

Re:never gonna work (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32723020)

Actually sony sucks balls and nobody ever wants to be locked in to their bullshit.

Lets face it, the only reason they got so huge was a little thing that was like an ipod, the walkman.

They tried to parlay that market position to thug out their own video format and it failed against an open standard.

That and longer playing time, faster rewinding and fast-forwarding, and a less-complex, lower-cost tape transport mechanism.

Re:never gonna work (1)

MZeora (1707054) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722876)

Blu-Ray verses HD-DVD I rest my case.

Re:never gonna work (1, Redundant)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722454)

Where the porn industry leads, the rest of the tech world follows.
It happened with the internet, it happened with DVD players, it will happen with 3DTV, and it might happen with Flash.

Re:never gonna work (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722518)

Where the porn industry leads, the rest of the tech world follows.

It happened with the internet, it happened with DVD players, it will happen with 3DTV, and it might happen with Flash.

Except it didn't, it hasn't and...well, it might, but only in the same post hoc ergo propter hoc sense applied to Betamax.

Re:never gonna work (1)

GNious (953874) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722988)

[...] it will happen with 3DTV [...]

Sorry, I read a lot of posts where people are whining that they will never sit in the privacy of their home wearing glasses to watch 3D-TV (Games/Sports/movies), since their imaginary friends would laugh at them, and I think they are bonkers, but precisely with Porn, I do get it: The 3D thing will not happen, partly due to the glasses

Also not with autostereoscopic screens. Think about holding your head still while doing whatever you normally do while watching Porn (if you do watch that) - no, not going to happen.

(the rest you are quite right about though - would love to see people getting pop-ups from their porn-sites that they should switch away from IE.. Mad stampede in Redmond!)

Re:never gonna work (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722790)

Think you have it the other way around ... porn has driven tech industry and consumer electronics for a very long time. No other vendor has the power that PORN does , if porn industry unilaterally decided tomorrow to adopt HTML5 .. in very short time, every computer on the planet would have upgraded their browser. period.

Except Apple phones, of course. No porn allowed, or Flash. It doesn't matter if people want these things or not.

Re:never gonna work (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722918)

Oh for crying out loud, you guys need to have your sarcasm meters checked. He was obviously joking.

Re:never gonna work (1)

gregg (42218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722930)

No other vendor has the power that PORN does , if porn industry unilaterally decided tomorrow to adopt HTML5 .. in very short time, every computer on the planet would have upgraded their browser. period.

If that is true, then all we have to do now is get the porn industry to adopt ip6.

Re:never gonna work (3, Informative)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32723018)

This is a popular meme with no factual basis. It began with the claim that the porn industry chose VHS over Betamax and that's why Betamax lost, but that is not the reason it lost. People just like to repeat this because it sounds ironic and amusing to explain to people that some taboo industry is the driver of technology, but the truth is that there is no historical basis to make that claim.

Re:never gonna work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722108)

Just getting the SEC to upgrade would be a chore much less to speak of the rest of the government smut hounds.

Re:never gonna work (1)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722174)

On the contrary, my dear friend... I believe that the workplace marketshare of IE will plummet when the porn industry drops flash!

Re:never gonna work (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722720)

No, you'd have to get all workplaces to block google images first.

Apple (5, Interesting)

hazmat2k (911198) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722048)

READ: "We realise the iPhone market is massive and we want iPr0n portable"

Re:Apple (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722250)

It is also a matter of vendor lockin. With Flash one is at the mercy of what Adobe feels like this week. For advertisers there is little risk. Macromedia and Adobe have consistently shown that Flash is there fore advertisers, and no changes will made to jeopardize that relationship. The fact that MS was able to get silverlight on Netflix shows that Flash as a container for videos is all that it is cracked up to be. In particular the DRM is not at all secure.

Of course it does not seem that the p0rn industry really worries about DRM. The new model seems to just crank out videos and make money on the volume, as distributions costs have gone to almost nil. I suspect that flash servers and development make this cost somewhat above nil, so moving from flash will bring much less than almost nil.

Re:Apple (1)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722686)

READ: "We realise the iPhone market is massive and we want iPr0n portable"

Add and the iPad makes that portable device useful without squinting

Re:Apple (4, Funny)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722964)

The iPad is a HORRIBLE porn viewing device. There's no easy way to set it down to view hands-free and if you're holding it... well... let's just say it's slippery enough as it is without any fluids involved.

Insightful, as well as interesting (2, Interesting)

jamrock (863246) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722736)

"We realise the iPhone market is massive and we want iPr0n portable"

Spot on. Start-ups are already advertising for girls for iPhone 4 FaceTime video sex chat services [yahoo.com] . From a Craigslist ad:

iPhone 4 FaceTime Video Sex Line Chat - free iPhone 4 (NYC/LI) Date: 2010-06-27, 12:06PM EDT Reply to: job-dqsyj-1813619670@craigslist.org

Starting an online interactive pornography firm where woman will use the iphone 4 to video chat with potential customers on a pay as you go basis. Hours are flexible, pay will increase as the business builds. Woman will receive a free iphone 4 to use as personal time when not working. Woman will talk to potential clients and chat with them and perform various acts as desired by clients. All information will be confidential.

The Porn Industry is never wrong... (5, Funny)

Pyrus.mg (1152215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722052)

So Flash really is almost dead and 3D really is a just gimmick. Now this doesn't seem like such a shitty Monday.

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722162)

+9000 Funny but True

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722270)

Whatever you think, I agree with the Pr0n vendors; flash is ancient technology, and as long as you have to wear special gear to view 3D, it ain't ready yet.

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (2, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722456)

Regardless of what people may think of them, for some reason the porn industry does seem to have a much better picture of technology and how to utilize it versus the more mainstream market.

Back in the days of VHS and such naturally there are good examples, but even in modern times it's clear. The porn industry was doing online distribution of content long before mainstream media was. The few porn companies that were utilizing DRM early on seem to have dropped the idea. Heck it seems like the de-facto method of distribution for porn these days has already shifted from DVD's to online subscription based website chains that release daily updates (typically a scene per day) - NaughtyAmerica.com is a perfect example. Every now and then they'll take their online content and release it in a DVD compilation for the luddites, but the main distribution method is online.

Now, I realize that PART of this is that porn is unbelievably cheap to produce (particularly with the rise of "gonzo" style where there's no longer even any attempt at acting or a story - they usually just say "Hi!" and get down to business), but still, I think there are lessons to be learned here.

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (1)

FrankieBaby1986 (1035596) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722978)

The few porn companies that were utilizing DRM early on seem to have dropped the idea.

This may be due to the fact that porn has a *very* short half-life. People are always seeking to see more, different porn. Not the same peices repeatedly, so there is no point in spending money to lock it up. The money is much better invested in producing more porn.

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32723050)

Back in the days of VHS and such naturally there are good examples

The myth that VHS won because of the porn industry has no historical basis. The porn industry is not some huge driver of technology. It's just an ironic claim people like to make because it's amusing.

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722306)

Agreed. 3D is a fad. Always was and today is no different (including movies).

Re:The Porn Industry is never wrong... (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722390)

3D is a fad? You give it too much credit.

Wait (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722060)

Are they dropping their pants, or flashing their boobies?

Or both?

*grin*

No 3d? (4, Insightful)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722062)

Why would 3D gain faster acceptance? Who wouldn't want tits to basically jump out of your screen and nearly hit you in the face?

Re:No 3d? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722114)

I was on board until you said "nearly"

Re:No 3d? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722140)

man.. 3-D TV's are here... just wait until they can really create smells.. a HD 3-D Smell-O-Vision set! Then again.. there may be things you'd rather not see in HD let alone 3-D when it comes to porn, and the smell....

Re:No 3d? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722184)

2 girls 1 cup anyone?

Re:No 3d? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722144)

For tits, yeah, that'd be great. But there are often also dicks.

Re:No 3d? (4, Insightful)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722634)

For tits, yeah, that'd be great. But there are often also dicks.

You're over thinking it. From now on all 3D porn is limited to lesbian orgies, I think everyone can agree on that.

Re:No 3d? (1)

French Mailman (773320) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722150)

The problem isn't tits. There are other things in porn that would jump out of the screen and nearly hit you in the face.

Re:No 3d? (5, Funny)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722160)

It's not the boobs we're worried about...

Re:No 3d? (4, Funny)

SolemnDwarf (863575) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722166)

Why would 3D gain faster acceptance? Who wouldn't want tits to basically jump out of your screen and nearly hit you in the face?

I'm already going blind. I don't need a migraine to go with it.

Re:No 3d? (1)

MessedRocker (1273148) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722192)

Have you ever tried masturbating with eye strain and a headache? Neither have I, but I can't imagine it being very comfortable.

Re:No 3d? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722312)

As someone who has actually seen a 3-d porn movie (in the theater, no less), let me assure that 3-d "money shots" are REALLY NOT something you want to experience.

Re:No 3d? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722944)

cause they're yo momma's tits

Stick a fork in it (-1, Redundant)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722078)

Porn drives the media tech. Flash is dead.

Finally.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722094)

Finally I can watch some good porn on my iPhone.

Impact on battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722122)

Among other things, they are worried about the impact Flash has on battery life? If your worried about battery life while watching pron, your either in a car, on the couch, or sitting on the pot.

I am not sure if I should find any of that that odd or normal.

Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (3, Insightful)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722124)

Yeah, everyone seems to be ready to drop flash for video playback, but what codec will their videos be encoded with?
As it stands today:
- Use h264 and all firefox users will be left off
- use theora and almost everyone will be left off
- use VP8 and most browsers won't support it
- use X and Y browser will not support it.

use flash and... 99% browsers will support it. Having said that, I hate flash, but I guess the world is not ready for HTML5 just yet, mainly because of the codecs issue.

Lets hope VP8 is a success! :-)

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722546)

You realize that HTML5 allows a content provider to provide his videos in *all* formats at the same time? The browser decides which one it picks and plays.
Granted. This consumes more space on the server and costs time for encoding. But should it really be that much of a problem?

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722548)

I'm sure VP8 will change things. Well, i am very hopeful it will, because if it isn't, we're doomed.
K, a little far out, but still, the 2nd codec war will be just as annoying.

And i swear to god if Flash wins again, i'm going to snap...some ones neck... these are not the shifty eyes you are looking for.

Google will push it really hard. I think Intel had already mentioned something about hardware support did they not?
If there is a company who could make it a success, it would be Google.
MS are only partially relevant now when it comes to browsers. And i'm sure Mozilla will be on-board, despite previous recent fall-outs.

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (4, Interesting)

ahankinson (1249646) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722608)

Easy. Use h264, with a fallback to using a Flash player to play the same MP4 file. Firefox will be the only browser that will fall back to Flash, while all the others will present theirs in h264.

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722666)

agreed... get firefox to use h264 via plugin, problem solved. Firefox ppl love plugins.

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (1)

internettoughguy (1478741) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722728)

Something like Kaltura [kaltura.org] seems the best choice for now, it falls back on flash or Java playback in shitty browsers.

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (3, Funny)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722846)

You will be able to install a third party theora codec for ie. You will presumably be able to get a firefox plugin for h.264. Chrome supports both. Opera users can install a different browser.

Re:Yeah that sounds nice - but using what codec? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722878)

Use h264 and all firefox users will be left off

...Until someone does a fork of Firefox that uses the system's native video player. My bet is that the Ubuntu folks will be the ones to do this.

One has to wonder (4, Funny)

cognoscentus (1628459) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722130)

What the batteries are for...?

Quite an extrapolation (1, Troll)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722132)

The whole porn thing is so incredibly boring, and casts a pall over technology. No, Blu-ray didn't win because of porn. Nor did VHS win because of porn. No is Flash going to die because of porn.

But really the cutest is when someone desperate for attention, hoping onto the dogpile, becomes an industry. Especially when it's encrusted with caveats ("if HTML5 was supported by all browsers, they all supported the same codecs, they all..."). Boring.

Re:Quite an extrapolation (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722406)

Using the term "porn" and "encrusted" is not a good combination.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722164)

How soon can I claim that flash has gone the way of Betamax and HDDVD(A)?

Re:So... (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722214)

How soon can I claim that flash has gone the way of Betamax and HDDVD(A)?

However long it takes will be too long--even if it was tomorrow.

Does not expect 3D to gain mass acceptance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722212)

Obligatory link about 3D about to take off very rapidly:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/06/23/the-erotic-possibilities-of-the-3ds/ [sankakucomplex.com]

Re:Does not expect 3D to gain mass acceptance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722290)

I really should read links before clicking on them at work, especially in a thread about porn.

I thought I heard Jobs say... (5, Funny)

tomcode (261182) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722224)

That the iPad would revolutionize online porn as we know it.

Also, it wipes clean with a damp cloth.

One guy says... (4, Insightful)

sweatyboatman (457800) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722266)

Wikipedia says this company is pretty influential in the porn industry, though not the only player. I suppose it's sort-of interesting to hear what he thinks. Though there's no real meat to the article, it's almost like an anti-Flash astro-turf.

I think all content producers are generally looking forward to moving to HTML5 video. That doesn't mean that Flash is dead. It could potentially mean that in 3-5 years Flash will not be used for video. Right now, Flash is pretty much the only option. In a year or two, HTML5 video will be a reasonable competitor. After that, well I guess it's up to Adobe to figure out ways of making their product more appealing than the baseline (which is HTML5). But they have a dominant position now, support of major players, and seem committed to improving their product. It's hard to discount them on the word of one porn producer.

Re:One guy says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722396)

Though there's no real meat to the article[...]

So it is CGI or SFW?

Re:One guy says... (3, Interesting)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722776)

I think all content producers are generally looking forward to moving to HTML5 video.

Without DRM, most content producers arent even entertaining the thought.

Re:One guy says... (1)

Archon-X (264195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722806)

As a head's up - they're not influential, and they probably wrote their own Wikipedia entry.
Digital Playground may be a large content producer, but it's for the DVD (read: offline) markets.

They don't have a single website that's even a blip upon the radar.
Having invested their all in what is a rapidly dying industry (Porn DVDs) - I wouldn't take a thing this guy says with a grain of salt.

Re:One guy says... (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#32723000)

It doesn't matter what the content providers package their video in.

If it's not the default format for youporn.com, then nobody cares.

Already happening... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722298)

This is already happening - youporn [youporn.com] already works on the ipad, with no flash.

Let's hope (0, Redundant)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722314)

Adobe has had the final clue bat applied and truly fix their garbage. When the porn world speaks, others follow.

Fortunately (5, Funny)

spamuell (1208984) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722338)

the two minutes of battery life that my N900 can run flash for have so far proven sufficient.

Re:Fortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722756)

Okay, seriously, do N900 users have some inferiority/persecution complex that compels them to crowbar the fact that they use an N900 into every topic they can, regardless of whether or not it actually even vaguely fits the discussion at hand?

"Well, sure, this site uses Flash, which I can use with my N900, but eats up the battery on my N900 so I..."

"Yeah, I think that was posted on Kotaku, which I read on my N900, this morning..."

"Apple's handling of the reception problem on the iPhone 4, which I obviously don't have because I have an N900, is indicative of..."

"It's a shame that BP's oil collection and cleanup procedures are doing so badly. I have a lot of friends in the Gulf area who've told me, via phone calls on my N900, which is a phone that I own and I use and is so very much better than anything you have and is something I love a lot, about the hardships..."

Re:Fortunately (2, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722994)

Okay, seriously, do N900 users have some inferiority/persecution complex that compels them to crowbar the fact that they use an N900 into every topic they can, regardless of whether or not it actually even vaguely fits the discussion at hand?

Nope, actually both N900 users are very quiet and restrained people. The N900 fanboys who can't afford it but pretend they've own one are quite obnoxious though.

..Nonsense (4, Insightful)

Archon-X (264195) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722388)

Seriously, this is just nonsese.

1. Digital Playground are nobodies in the online porn market. Yes, they produce a lot of content, but it's all for the DVD market.
2. One studio saying something isn't representative of an entire industry. It's actually called a 'Press Release'
3. The vast majority of adult sites allow you to pick your poison in terms of video. Streaming is normally done via flash [.x/h264 mp4 being the norm], and allowing downloads in AVI/DivX/WMV/MPEG formats.
4. What porn does provide is a solid statistics cross-section of internet users - and from the figures I see, flash usage is 96% or higher. The vast majority of purchasing users aren't high tech, they don't use noscript, they don't think flash is evil.
5. Porn (and any commercial) sites aim to make their sites as available to as many people as possible. Forcing users to upgrade browsers, attempting to change browsing habits, etc, is only going to lower the bottom line.

3D Porn is here now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722410)

Its called a hooker.

Re:3D Porn is here now! (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722650)

I think you mean VD.

Did they do battery tests? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722424)

Who says HTML5 video is any easier on batteries than Flash? If anybody has done a study on that, I haven't seen it.

Re:Did they do battery tests? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722718)

Who says HTML5 video is any easier on batteries than Flash? If anybody has done a study on that, I haven't seen it.

Flash will not use a GPU's hardware video acceleration, will not use it's decoding acceleration (on cards that have that), and perhaps more importantly, also does not use the dedicated DSPs which an increasing number of mobile devices use to avoid doing video decoding on the CPU. Instead, everything is one on the CPU, which is typically much less efficient at those tasks.

As a real-world example, using the Flash version of BBC iPlayer kills the battery on an N900, but it will play the same content, downloaded with the wonderful get_iplayer perl script and viewed in the built-in media player, for hours, since the media player app uses a DSP.

In short, studies are not needed here - it is common sense that flash will kill the battery on many devices, and it can also be easily observed.

Re:Did they do battery tests? (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722898)

In short, studies are not needed here - it is common sense that flash will kill the battery on many devices, and it can also be easily observed.

mistaking what one thinks is "common sense" for a benchmark is what separates amateurs from professionals.

Standards compliance (0)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722494)

"Porn" and "standards". There's two words you'd never think of seeing together.

And if my aunt had a dick she'd by my uncle... (5, Informative)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722504)

I work in the Adult Industry on a Content Management System [elevatedx.com] for paysites. We just demonstrated support for the iPad at the recent Xbiz show using H.264.

It's fine and dandy that one company has proclaimed that they'd get rid of Flash given the chance. That doesn't say much for the rest of the industry, now, does it?

I know there are a lot of Open Source Advocates on Slashdot, but let's face it: Paysite operators are in the game to maximize their profits. This is done by:

a) Reaching as many people and devices as possible.
b) Decreasing bandwidth
c) Minimizing disk space and hardware.

They don't care about the war between WebM and H.264. They only care about having their sites work with as many people as possible. In this case, HTML5 brings iPad support to their sites.

The problem here ultimately is that the codec war with HTML5 is still undecided. If you're going to use HTML5's video element exclusively, you're going to end up being FORCED to use two formats of video for all the browsers - one for WebM and one for H.264.

That's all well and good, but multiple formats takes up space. Granted a lot of pay sites offer multiple download options like WMV, DivX and Quicktime, but when it comes to watching a full movie in a browser, only one format is needed here - H.264. Let the browsers that support H.264 use the video tag. Let browsers that don't use a Flash player backup.

This still won't change after WebM has support within Flash because of the iPhone and iPad. As the mobile arena heats up, WebM will start to appear lacking without Apple support. Even though the iPhone is a small percentage of the total phone market, it says a lot when the CEO has one and wants his websites to work on it.

So in sum - flash isn't going anywhere. It will remain as a backup player for 5 years mininum.

Meh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722592)

Who cares about battery life? Porn is only watched in increments of 5-10 minutes anyway.

HD-DVD (1)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722612)

Remember the porn industry backed HD-DVD, too.

Wow... (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722642)

People still pay for porn on the Internet? There's basically an unlimited quantity available for free. You can spend 15 minutes on a free porn site with downthemall and collect more porn than my buddies and I had combined when we were teenagers 20 years ago. And it will be waaaaaaaaaaaaay dirtier.

Controlling content via flash (1)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722760)

Flash is hawking an advantage in DRM etc, whereas HTML5 might allow greater ripping of content.

Unfortunately, this argument is falling away for Adobe as it can be noted porn sites push downloadable and unrestricted content as it turns out consumers want that.

The one area where streaming is an advantage is for those that wish to skip to certain points in the film and are not interested in the rest of the film.Flash and HTML5 allows easy seeking obviously.

The last nail (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722916)

If that wasn't a death kiss, nothing is. As i predicted, in 2 years flash will be a distant ( bad ) memory. And its Adobe's own damned fault really, they had the market, but threw it away by being pig headed.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32722936)

Wow, I first read "Porn Industry Ready to Drop Flesh" as if dropping clothes off is not enough!

I still don't get it (1)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722982)

I guess I'm just dense. But I still don't understand the big deal about HTML5 and how it makes Flash go away. Yes, I hate Flash, but HTML 5 doesn't magically play video all by itself. You still have to have some sort of player/codec installed on your computer. Everyone doesn't have h264, theora or whatever. Almost everyone has Flash. I fail to understand how HTML 5 changes this.

Shouldn't that headline be.. (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32722992)

Porn Industry Ready To Drop Trou and Flash?

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