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The "King of All Computer Mice" Finally Ships

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the there's-a-button-for-that dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The much-anticipated, much-mocked 18-button joystick mouse from WarMouse is now shipping. The press release features an impressive set of user quotes from game designer Chris Taylor, new SFWA president John Scalzi, and a doctor who runs a medical software company. Crazy or not, it's obviously more than just a gaming mouse."

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Go die in a fire sampenzus (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32729958)

Looks like shit.

Mod parent up (2, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730102)

Looks like shit.

I think this sums up the mouse accurately. Also, it has a cable. You can't claim a title like that when your mouse is chained to the computer. And 18 buttons? Who really thinks that many buttons is a good idea to cram on a mouse? I'd say a lot fewer is better. I personally don't see much point for more than a few buttons.

Re:Mod parent up (4, Informative)

BigJClark (1226554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730150)


Disagree, if you've ever competitively gamed, you're wired. Minimal signal interference, no loss of signal due to dead or dying battery.

Re:Mod parent up (2, Interesting)

QBasicer (781745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730192)

I agree with this, also back in the day, wireless mice had a lag time before they would come out of a low power state and figure out they're moving, which made gaming difficult. I eventually used my Wacom tablet with that mouse because it was insanely precise with even the smallest of movements.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

orthicviper (1800010) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730274)

wireless mice always(?) use 120hz or lower polling rates instead of 1000hz to save battery power. 1000hz makes a wonderful difference.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731194)

My Razer Mamba [razerzone.com] would beg to differ. Although you can *also* plug it in and use it on a wire if you like (which is some pretty good design IMO).

Re:Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730346)

Hell even for everyday business use or casual gaming I wouldn't want a wireless mouse. No batteries = no maintenance or additional costs, no failing mouse when you least expect it, no signal problems depending on your table.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730622)

I don't get this. It's not like anyone will spend a vast portion of their life switching out batteries in a wireless mouse. Given that I was using a rechargeable mouse at the time, I wasn't either. I did keep a wired mouse around for backup, but I used the wireless mouse simply because I liked it better.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731492)

I use a couple of wireless mouses, both from Microsoft. One's an Arcmouse, the other's a Wireless Mobile 3000.
          I recently switched to using rechargeable batteries for every device that could take them, everywhere in my home, and powering the chargers off a small solar panel on the roof. I did this primarily so now if I lose grid power for days or even weeks I'll still have flashlights, emergency radio and such, but I bought enough batteries for my MP3 players, mouses, and the rest as well. (And, for the thinking impaired, no I don't expect to have the computers run for days off the grid just because the mouses will).
            While I'm pretty satisfied with these mouses over all, it's worth mentioning that they now 'fail funny' when the battery gets low. The red warning lights in the mouses don't even come on until the battery is so low the devices are malfunctioning, and instead of seeing hesitation or intermittent pointer movement, the failure mode seems to involve the pointer suddenly jumping across the screen, or several button clicks doing nothing and then suddenly being applied all at once, and other such odd effects. I'm not sure why there are rechargeable mouses yet non-rechargeable wireless mouses should have so much odd failing behavior when fitted with rechargeable batteries. This happens with both regular NiMH and Platinum rechargables as well.
          I never have bought a mouse that was cradle rechargeable straight from the factory, which leads me to wonder, do these have a distinctive failure mode as well?

Re:Mod parent up (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730560)

Actually, I wasn't wired, either with my mouse or my home network. I just accepted that my internet spaceship would occasionally blow up through no fault of my own. I traded reliability for comfort and convenience. And you can always use new batteries, if you're worried about dying batteries.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730930)

No problem with a cable - no batteries to change/charge, more consistent behavior etc.

But the use for 18 buttons? I predict a lot of user confusion.

Re:Mod parent up (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731270)

It would be good for AutoCAD if my digitizer didn't already has this many buttons on it's puck. Maybe as a spare?

Re:Go die in a fire sampenzus (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730662)

hmmm yeah it does look like crap, looks like your hand will hurt after 5 mins of use too. however the only real use I can think for this is not gaming but rather 3D modeling where each function can be bound to a different button.

A doctor... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730004)

and a doctor who runs a medical software company

.. would think up something more ergonomical as this I'd assume.

Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

Adding more buttons just makes it more like a keyboard with a ball inside.

Re:A doctor... (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731284)

Why are we still using a ball or laser on a cable to point on a screen where we want to do stuff?

Because poking at the screen only works for 10 minutes at a time and trackpads are much less precise ?

Trackball (1, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730020)

I'd rather have a trackball. Faster, more precise, cleaner desk.

Re:Trackball (4, Insightful)

casings (257363) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730046)

I love playing against people who use a trackball. Can always use target practice.

Re:Trackball (2, Funny)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730144)

Not all occupy themselves playing games...

I use my trackball to throw at colleagues who piss me off.

Re:Trackball (1)

uncledrax (112438) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730416)

I concurr. I have one of those Trackball Marbles from Logitech.. the one with the 1.5in sphere of hard plastic.. not only does it hit hard, but it looks neat doing it!

Re:Trackball (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730180)

Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands. I still use a Logitech MX700 because it's a good 30mm longer than any other mouse I've ever encountered. Either this mouse, or one with an adjustable palm space.

Re:Trackball (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730406)

Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

I've lost track of the number of well-ranked players I have completely abused while playing first person shooters with my Trackman Wheel. Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands. I still use a Logitech MX700 because it's a good 30mm longer than any other mouse I've ever encountered. Either this mouse, or one with an adjustable palm space.

That's much of why I use a trackball. The only mouse I've ever had that felt "Big" enough was some antique "ergonomic" Logitech unit that felt too cheap to use.

Re:Trackball (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731058)

I've lost track of the number of well-ranked players I have completely abused while playing first person shooters with my Trackman Wheel.

Good for you! I'd love to know how you know which were using mice and which were using trackballs. Do you ask?

Maybe your problem is too much time spent exercising the wrist, and not enough time spent exercising the thumb.

Har har you eluded to masturbation! Grow up.

That's much of why I use a trackball. The only mouse I've ever had that felt "Big" enough was some antique "ergonomic" Logitech unit that felt too cheap to use.

Fair. Only trackball I ever used had the buttons operated by the thumb, and the ball on top to be moved by the fingers. Odd that both large body mice were made by Logitech, though. The one I have is "ergonomic" (for a righty, anyway) too. Quite pleasant to use.

Re:Trackball (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730544)

Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.

Hahahaha. I and many of the people I play with routinely run circles around people like you with our trackballs.

Re:Trackball (0, Flamebait)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731140)

I and many of the people I play with routinely run circles around people like you with our trackballs.

Is that kind of like the Haka, but with more USB connectors and "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" t-shirts?

Re:Trackball (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730574)

Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one.
 

IHa, ha, I know, what a loser. Who plays games for fun? I gotta have this 18 button WIRED mouse, because after I left my million dollar a year gig at the hospital (trauma surgeon, these hands are accurate and precise under fire whether taking out a spleen or taking out a terrorist), I took up a MAN'S real occupation. Us pro gamers are making games not just for losers anymore. LOL!!!! Obviously anyone he doesn't spew all over this mouse is a newb I'd totally own with this thing in WoW!!!!

Pew, pew, pew. = Me pwning noobs!!!LOLOLOLOL!!!!with THIS mouse!!1!!

Re:Trackball (2, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730928)

If you lay off the stimulants, you might stop twitching enough to get back to your job, and still have a working 1 key by the end of the day.

Re:Trackball (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731114)

"Each to their own. You're obviously not a PC gamer, or if you are a very casual one."

Sorry, but a thumb based trackball is just as good as, if not better than, most mice.

For me it comes down to a few things:

1) The fact that you can get greater precision with your thumb than yo can with your wrist/arm.

2) You never run out of movement space. Sure, with a high sensitivity you will not often have to pick up your mouse and move it, but it does happen.

I set my sensitivity such that I can do a 180 turn in either direction with out lifting my thumb. This is a fairly low sensitivity, which means I have (for me) rather fine control when I want it, however I can also do big movements when needed.

The one thing that keeps tempting me to get a regular mouse is more buttons, and what I really want is a speedpad type thing instead Something that gives me movement keys + lots of extra buttons for my left hand). The one I liked was the steelseries Fang, however it isn't being made anymore...

Re:Trackball (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731400)

I might get this mouse, if it's big enough to fit comfortably in my shovel-like hands.

Same problem here. How I'd wish to get a double size mouse. Or at least double width.

It's not a problem for regular desktop use. But for gaming, my major problem is my pinky dragging on the mouse mat. Apparently all the people designing mice are eight year old asian girls.

Re:Trackball (1)

eexaa (1252378) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730426)

I'd rather have standard 104-button mouse....or how they call it.

Re:Trackball (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731096)

Cleaner desk - kinda sorta. It doesn't move around as much, so it needs less "buffer space", but a trackball is just as large (larger in many cases) as a mouse on a desk.

Faster or precise though? No. I did desktop support a college from 1999-2003 and a lot of the professors were in love with trackballs, so I ended up having to learn to use them so I could work on their computers. I'll admit, eventually, you get used to it and can do what you want, and better/more expensive trackballs certainly were easier to do this with versus the cheapies, but compared to a mouse, it's just night and day. Having a real flat area with a visually noted distance that correlates to distance moved on the screen is always quicker than the rolling trackball where there's no fixed point of reference.

My opinion of trackballs - if you REALLY want your pointing device to not move, then you can learn to tolerate it, but if that's not a priority, then there's absolutely no benefit. It's about the same opinion I have of laptop trackpads. I use them a ton on laptops, but I'm under no delusion that it's better than a mouse. When traveling I'll use the pad out and about, but whenever I get to my hotel room and hit a real desk, the mouse comes out of the bag immediately.

Re:Trackball (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32731794)

I'd rather have a trackball. Faster, more precise, cleaner desk.

Trackballs are only useful for video editing. Ever try to draw or paint with one? Anything that is more organic like art or moving in a video game is ridiculously hard with a track ball. Try something as simple as highlighting text with one then move the text. It's simple with a mouse but it borders on a two hand operation with a trackball. I owned several in the past and ended up using them less than an hour. As clunky as mice are they are effective and versatile.

Now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730026)

THAT is a mouse I'd like to double click... *wink wink*, *nudge nudge*

Question (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730036)

Does it come with pills to make more neurons so an average user can actually use it before losing interest for what would otherwise be lengthy learning process? (you've all heard what technology is doing to your brains, right? [nytimes.com] )

The King? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730078)

Why is the biggest, fattest mouse I've ever seen described as the "King of all Computer Mice"? Why not call it "Sumo Mouse" or, in keeping with the irritating trend, a "Mouse on Steroids"? Was it ordained by god or something? And if so, where's its crown. Given the modern correlation between functionality and royalty, a more capable mouse should probably be called the "Bill Gates of Mice" or, if it is shiny the "Steve Jobs of Mice". The "King of All Mice" should really be a self-important throwback that doesn't do jack shit.

Re:The King? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730246)

Named after Elvis, of course.

SC2 Mouse (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730084)

The site is /.ed, so for comparison see the StarCraft 2 mouse: http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/spectre.php [razerzone.com] Fewer buttons and is glowy.

Re:SC2 Mouse (2, Insightful)

QBasicer (781745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730212)

The most I get out of that link is that they can use photoshop. Are they afraid to show good pictures of the actual product? Or is it pictures that have been doctored to the point where they start to look fake?

Re:SC2 Mouse (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730674)

Huh? There is a picture of the product right there on the page. Links to five different views of it in the lower right.

Re:SC2 Mouse (1)

bluesatin (1350681) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731228)

Huh? There is a picture of the product right there on the page. Links to five different views of it in the lower right.

Yes they have pictures, but no photos.

Re:SC2 Mouse (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730376)

That's not a comparison, that's a gaming mouse. If the site said "This has less buttons than the Warmouse new product, but has one adjustable button to make clicking different" then it would be a comparison.

What you've done is somehow manage to create a second slashvertisment with even less content than the original. Truly, that takes skill, but I'm not sure it's a skill I'd put on my CV.

Jobs (4, Funny)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730106)

Steve Jobs would not approve.

Re:Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730204)

Hell, if Steve Jobs even sees a picture of this thing it'll cause a blood vessel in his brain to burst.

Re:Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730398)

I just sent him the pic. Sure hope this works.

Re:Jobs (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730220)

Plug it into a MacBook and it would probably just explode

Re:Jobs (4, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730388)

The mouse or the MacBook?

Re:Jobs (4, Funny)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730424)

Yes,

Re:Jobs (0)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730412)

cool feature.

Re:Jobs (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730714)

>> a doctor who runs a medical software company

But this guy is used to unnecessary complexity.

Naga WarMouse (3, Interesting)

Pewpdaddy (1364159) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730156)

You can have my trusty Naga when you pry it from my cold dead hand. http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418900 [razerzone.com]

Naga greater than WarMouse (1)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730836)

The Razer Naga in my opinion is a lot more ideal for gaming. Coming in at 17 buttons, only one short of the Warmouse its very comparable. But what the Naga does better is the button placement, with the majority of them on the side to hit with your thumb. The shape and button placement are going to allow better grip and control when the shit starts to fly. The warmouse looks ackward to hold and the button placement on the top just looks like a disorginized clusterfuck compared to the sleek Naga.

Re:Naga greater than WarMouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32731128)

The two aren't really comparable. The Meta holds three thousand commands for lots of different applications, whereas the Naga only holds 17 for gaming. Also, the Meta's joystick looks a lot more usable with the thumb than the 12 little buttons. So the Naga is for games and the Meta is for games and stuff like CAD or whatever the doctor guy was talking about. The Naga looks ergo, but at least according to the WarMouse designer who compared the two mice on their blog, it's not really as ergonomic in action.

"The Naga ergonomics only feel nice so long as you don’t attempt to use the scroll wheel or any button that isn’t L1 or R1. The core problem is the aforementioned hand rotation. This means that the mouse designer made an understandable, but inherently bad mistake in placing the M4 and M5 buttons on the forward left edge of the mouse; they would be much more useful and comfortable if they were on the forward RIGHT edge and used by the middle finger, but having to move your index finger to the left against the rotation of the mouse puts strain on the second knuckle and I started feeling pain there after the second day. (This is essentially the same problem that can occur when using the Meta in a V-grip instead of a W.) Only five of the number pad keys are very useful- 1-3, 5 and 6 – as it’s difficult to automatically locate 4 and 7-9, or angle your thumb back sharply enough to reach 10-12. The sensitivity of the L1 and R1 keys actually becomes a problem as well, for as we learned with our first prototype that featured buttons on both sides instead of the joystick on the left, side clicks require a non-zero amount of gripping action. It’s not much, but just enough so that about 20 percent of the time the user will inadvertantly click either L1 or R1 while clicking one of the number pad buttons. In order to reliably prevent this from happening, one has to lift both fingers off the mouse, which isn’t difficult, but does happen to be annoyingly easy to forget."

Re:Naga greater than WarMouse (1)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731364)

Dalaran sewers, 3:00. Let's do this.

Re:Naga greater than WarMouse (1)

Pewpdaddy (1364159) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731190)

/. omitted my > symbol ~!!! I concur the Naga is tight and precise, that thing looks like a mess... Which 2 buttons are left and right? Plus with the new drivers you can macro your buttons for more good times.

"Much Anticipated"? (4, Insightful)

Americano (920576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730222)

By who? This thing looks like shit, will probably sell 500 units to the people who buy every new computer gadget that's produced, and will die a silent death in the dark, rightfully so.

I have a computer input device with a lot of keys on it already - it's called a keyboard, and it works a lot better when I'm not sliding the keyboard around on the desktop while trying to type.

This is a solution in search of a problem to solve.

Re:"Much Anticipated"? (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730620)

I'm anticipating it. I've got a keyboard but I have 10 fingers all on my right hand. This thing is perfect for me.

Re:" 10 fingers all on my right hand"? (1)

davrob60 (1689994) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731212)

I have 10 fingers all on my right hand.

If I was you, this mouse was not the thing I would anticipate, 10 finger gloves would....

Archduke of all computer mice (4, Informative)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730266)

I'll stick with my trusty MX Revolution. That no other manufacturer (Logitech included) has added that wonderful thumbwheel to their mice is a crying shame. Tabs through pages like nobody's business, with another two buttons right next to it.

What a crap idea (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730316)

I mean why not just put your fucking keyboard on wheels and push it around?

Re:What a crap idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730542)

I mean why not just put your fucking keyboard on wheels and push it around?

Wow this could be amazing! Just tip the keyboard to right or left click then add on an oversized wheel in the center you could lick with your tongue to scroll. They only drawback I can see is the 3' wide mouse pad. The cat could even rock himself to sleep when he sacks out on my keyboard.

Re:What a crap idea (1)

ctchristmas (1821682) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731248)

It would probably be DVORAK. This mouse does look like such a piece of crap.

Keyboard + touchpad/mouse (1)

ivucica (1001089) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730386)

I like my ultimate joystick. It's got 90+ buttons, multitouch, and on the separate controller, two extra analog axes and a few extra buttons.

Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730556)

But how many such controllers can you have plugged into your home theater PC at once if, say, you have friends over?

Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse (1)

silverglade00 (1751552) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730882)

Who needs friends when you have the ultimate joystick?

Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731078)

Who needs friends when you have the ultimate joystick?

Without friends, who will be in awe of your ultimate joystick skills?

Re:Keyboard + touchpad/mouse (2, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731108)

The hooker?

Why is this in idle ? (4, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730392)

is there ANY way that this is not a tech/i.t. related news ? i mean, did we move to mental interfaces since i went to bed last night ? how can a 12 something button mice news is in idle, as if something irrelevant to /. ?

Re:Why is this in idle ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32731034)

Because, like everything else in Idle, it's crap that appeals to retards.

Re:Why is this in idle ? (2, Interesting)

owlnation (858981) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731596)

how can a 12 something button mice news is in idle, as if something irrelevant to /. ?

I suspect the answer is that samzenpus has no clue what he is doing. He regularly posts idle stories in the main /. sections. And now he posts a valid story in idle.

Samzenpus and Idle need to be cut loose as a separate website. I've generally no desire to ever read any of his submissions -- but since idle pollutes the RSS feed, it's near impossible to avoid them. That is the best solution for everyone -- those who want to read his submissions can, and those who don't, don't have to have the annoyance of them. It's only fair. This really, really needs to be fixed.

A mouse I am anticipating ... (1)

quietwalker (969769) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730428)

Would be the RAT 9; http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm [cyborggaming.com] . Frankly, the only problem I have with modern mice is that they seem to be made for people with shrunken, perhaps t-rex-like, children's hands. The idea of a mouse with somewhat adjustable areas sounds like a good start.

Of course, the price is insane, so I'd have to check it out in a store before I'd ever buy one. Still, I'm on board with the general concept.

King? Pauper! (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730466)

Looks like an overloaded, low-usability kludge to me.

Gaming mouse? (4, Interesting)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730468)

Crazy or not, it's obviously more than just a gaming mouse."

I would use this for CAD applications. And yes, I have been waiting a long time for it. A colleague once taped a keyboard on top of a mouse and told me he had constructed my ideal mouse. The one shown above is even better

Re:Gaming mouse? (1)

omni123 (1622083) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730886)

CAD was the only thing I could think of as a legitimate use for this thing. I definitely feel where you are coming from.

The myriad of available hotkeys/commands in AutoCAD is nothing short of overwhelming and a device like this is well suited for it IMO (since you don't want your hands off the mouse and the keyboard is the secondary input).

Re:Gaming mouse? (2, Interesting)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731496)

So true! 3 buttons are far too little for entity select, end selection, confirm, cancel, zoom in, zoom out, pan, various snap modes, and all the other commands you want under the mouse-hand while you use the other hand to issue commands like line, circle, fillet, etc.

Re:Gaming mouse? (1)

OttoErotic (934909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731768)

I'm was thinking of giving it a shot for music production software, except I can't find anything to indicate that there's a left-handed model. Anyone see a spec that I missed?

Don't be so harsh... (2, Insightful)

Endophage (1685212) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730494)

Everyone seems to be slating this in their comments. I can see a use for it. There are some keyboard shortcuts that I use frequently but are uncomfortable to hit one handed. On a laptop it's not so much of an issue, both your hands are close to the keyboard but it frustrates me on my desktop or when I'm using an external mouse. Now yes, I could reassign my shortcuts but I've tried that in the past and 2 things happen, I end up with system vs. application shortcut conflicts and I run out of shortcuts reachable comfortably with just my left hand. If the price isn't silly, I may well get one of these as I can see it as a useful tool. 18 buttons, minus the 3 standard mouse buttons, essentially makes the right hand side of the keyboard available for shortcuts without having to take your hand off the mouse.

I'm not convinced (2, Interesting)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730510)

My "top-side" fingers don't have much mobility, plus they're used for left and right clicks.

I haven't used it, but for buttons junkies, the Razer Naga (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/list/categoryID.35208800) seems both less overt-the-top and more ergonomic/practical)

Re:I'm not convinced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730718)

One of the WarMouse designers had a post comparing the Naga with the Meta on their development blog. This is what they said. I don't know how accurate it is. I think the Naga's side buttons are key-mappable now, but they might not have been before the last driver update.

Over the holidays, I reluctantly sent off my Meta and replaced it with the Razer Naga for two weeks in the interest of grokking the fullness of the current competition. The Naga is a multibutton mouse designed predominantly for MMO games such as World of Warcraft and it is an attractive combination of inconsistent design with excellent production. It looks great, it feels really good when you place your hand upon it, and the initial impression is that it is a very high quality product. Being a competitor, we are of course completely biased, but we also understand that ignoring the good points of the competition isn’t going to help us continue to make better mice. So, feel free to take these comments with a grain of salt or take issue with them if you see fit.

Good points: The appearance of the Naga is a little unusual, but it is an unexpectedly pretty mouse. The rubberized coating on the top feels very nice and contrasts well with the shiny black plastic on the sides. At rest, the ergonomic curves comfortably tilt your hand about 10 degrees to the right. The laser is a high-resolution one and the LED-lit, rubber scroll wheel is fairly quiet and smooth. I quite liked the blue LED inside and the way that it illuminated the 12-button keybad on the left side of the mouse as well as the Naga logo on the mouse rear. The bottom pads are slick and the mouse has very nice movement across the desktop even without a mouse pad. The microswitch action on the L1 and R1 buttons is quite sensitive, but not too sensitive for normal pointing-and-clicking. It is smaller, less blocky, and more aesthetically pleasing in person than it tends to appear in some of the photos. The custom driver software is well-integrated with World of Warcraft.

Weak points: The ergonomics only feel nice so long as you don’t attempt to use the scroll wheel or any button that isn’t L1 or R1. The core problem is the aforementioned hand rotation. This means that the mouse designer made an understandable, but inherently bad mistake in placing the M4 and M5 buttons on the forward left edge of the mouse; they would be much more useful and comfortable if they were on the forward RIGHT edge and used by the middle finger, but having to move your index finger to the left against the rotation of the mouse puts strain on the second knuckle and I started feeling pain there after the second day. (This is essentially the same problem that can occur when using the Meta in a V-grip instead of a W.) Only five of the number pad keys are very useful- 1-3, 5 and 6 – as it’s difficult to automatically locate 4 and 7-9, or angle your thumb back sharply enough to reach 10-12. The sensitivity of the L1 and R1 keys actually becomes a problem as well, for as we learned with our first prototype that featured buttons on both sides instead of the joystick on the left, side clicks require a non-zero amount of gripping action. It’s not much, but just enough so that about 20 percent of the time the user will inadvertantly click either L1 or R1 while clicking one of the number pad buttons. In order to reliably prevent this from happening, one has to lift both fingers off the mouse, which isn’t difficult, but does happen to be annoyingly easy to forget.

Comparative points: The basic mouse technology is similar. The Naga is prettier and superficially more ergonomical while the Meta is more comfortable in practice. The Naga buttons are much less programmable than the Meta buttons and joystick. The number pad buttons are more useful for gaming than they are for non-gaming applications; it’s not a problem to reassign the Crouch function in CoD from the letter C to the number 5, but you really can’t reassign Ctrl-R in Mozilla Thunderbird that way because it would reply to an email every time you wanted to type a 5. The three most important differences are: 1) the Naga number pad buttons are just that, number pad buttons, while the Meta buttons and joystick directions are whatever the user wants them to be. 2) the 12 side functions available via T1 (joystick) and T2 on the Meta are easily accessible while 7 of the 12 Naga number pad buttons are not. 3) The Naga has nothing like the autoswitching capabilities of the Meta because its inability to store different functions assigned to the same button by application renders that moot.

Verdict: The Razer Naga is a very good mouse with much more functionality than the average gaming mouse. However, it is not as functional or as powerful as the WarMouse Meta; the joystick, in particular, was missed. The Naga is a more sensible comparison for the Meta than the Apple Magic Mouse, but it would be safe to expect that most impartial reviews will tend to favor the Meta.

Re:I'm not convinced (1)

UninformedCoward (1738488) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730892)

I have the Naga and the thumb side number-pad is nice but your thumb has issues reaching the 3, 6, and 9 digits as you have to hold the mouse w/ your thumb and ring/pinky finger. Overall, it gets uncomfortable quickly when using anything other than the lowest and most forward digits (7, 8, and 4). I foresee this mouse being unable to right/left click and macro simultaneousness i.e. modifier keys. I would love to see a better picture of the mouse but it seems the site is pretty well /.'d already...

Re:I'm not convinced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32731624)

Naga? OK, now I'm curious. Is that one named after the mythical serpent creature, or is it a pun on the German "Nager" (which may actually be pronounced "Naga" depending on where in Germany you're from, and which means "rodent")?

Everything old is new again (3, Interesting)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730558)

The mother of all demos [wikipedia.org] is typically cited as where Douglas Engelbart demonstrated the mouse as a pointing device for the very first time, but what is forgotten is that he also had, for his left hand, a small set of levers for performing "common actions" (read: shortcuts) that essentially served a similar purpose as all those buttons on this mouse.

I remember reading in a book that, among all the SRI researchers, only Engelbart himself ever got the hang of how to use it; the others apparently simply preferred to use the mouse and keyboard. I wouldn't be surprised if this mouse gets a fanatical following of about three people, while the rest of the world moves on.

Warmouse! Good god y'all! What is it good for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730570)

Absolutely nothing!

Say it again.

Does it run (on) Linux? (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730616)

Is a Linux driver available?

Re:Does it run (on) Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730822)

Is a Linux driver available?

Last line of the article:
The WarMouse Meta is now available for $79.99 / EUR69.99 / GBP59.99 for Windows-based operating systems. Full Linux and OSX support is expected in Q3 2010.

Re:Does it run (on) Linux? (1)

emandems (1784294) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730906)

Yeah really. I still can't get the wheel tilt on my Logitech G5 to scroll up and down in Firefox.

just buy a naga from razor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32730654)

why would i want that crap over say something thats already been available for a long time like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153054

Engadget review (2, Informative)

wizdave (907216) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730848)

Here's a decent engadget review [engadget.com] and associated video [youtube.com] of this mouse.

Real king mouse (1)

Max_W (812974) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730852)

I've bought 2 mice from a company in Michigan www.quietmouse.com

This mouse is soundless. Literally soundless, there is only tactile clicks feedback, no sound at all.

It si very good for telecommuters. I can work even in a library now.

Dick Jones would love this! (1)

KingGypsy (1759760) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730918)

Let's rename it the ED-209 mouse! KG

New keyboards? (1)

woboyle (1044168) | more than 4 years ago | (#32730966)

So, instead of keyboards with integrated mice/trackballs/touchpads, we are getting mice with integrated keyboards! Thanks, but no thanks! I'll stick with my wireless trackball.

Since we slashdotted the website... (2, Informative)

Spyware23 (1260322) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731100)

Since we slashdotted the website I thought I'd post a cache version of the article. So, here goes.

WarMouse Meta: "The King of All Computer Mice" is now shipping and it isn't just for games

Oxford, England, July 28, 2010 - WarMouse today announced that its much-anticipated multi-button laser joystick mouse is now shipping. With a patented design featuring 18 buttons, an analog joystick, and a 5600-CPI laser sensor, the Meta has been well received by gamers and commercial software developers alike. Containing twice as much memory as the original Macintosh, the WarMouse(R) Meta holds 3,072 commands in 64 mouse modes, allowing the mouse to completely change its functionality on the fly according to the active application.

Hands-on reviews of the mouse from various technology sites have been uniformly positive:

        * "WarMouse has given the concept of the mouse a whole new meaning." - Techzine
        * "There's no doubt that the $79.99 Meta with its 512K of memory is the most advanced mouse we've ever seen - each of its 18 buttons along with their double-click functions can be configured for different applications, and its analog joystick can be customized to perform eight different commands.... The WarMouse Meta goes where no mouse has gone before." - Engadget
        * "The King of All Computer Mice.... If there is one mouse that beats them all, then it sure is the WarMouse Meta." - Trends Updates
        * "Mouse technology has reached a peak with the Warmouse Meta." - Trendhunter

The Meta is one of the first computer mice to incorporate a digital/analog joystick into its design and is the first mouse to permit the use of the joystick as a keyboard interface. In the three digital joystick settings, the user can assign up to sixteen different key functions to the joystick in each of the 64 mouse modes. In the analog joystick settings, the use can select between having up to seven joystick buttons available or using all 18 buttons as keyboard and/or mouse commands instead. In addition to providing an easy means of creating and customizing mouse modes, the Meta Modeware software records the user's button clicks and stores the statistics by application, allowing players to perform postgame analysis of their multiplayer matches and more efficiently arrange their button assignments.

"The WarMouse Meta isn't just an awesome mouse for gamers, but for game designers too," said Chris Taylor, the designer of Total Annihilation, the Strategy Game of the Decade, and CEO of Gas Powered Games. "Being able to data mine game actions through the Meta takes gaming mouse technology to a whole new level."

Unlike most gaming mice, the multi-button utility of the WarMouse Meta is not limited to games despite its high-end specifications.. The award-winning science fiction writer John Scalzi, known for his mad photo-imaging skills as well as his predilection for slaughtering the digital undead, declared the Meta is "Equally at home fine-tuning pictures in Photoshop or fighting the slavering zombie hordes. Because I do both. Although usually not at the same time." Dr. Murray Reicher, M.D., the CEO of DR Systems, was one of the first adopters of the new mouse interface and said: "This new input device has great potential in healthcare, particularly in the field of medical imaging. I'm looking forward to introducing it to our physician and technologist customers."

The features of the WarMouse Meta include:

        * 18 programmable mouse buttons with double-click functionality.
        * High-resolution laser sensor with adjustable resolution ranging from 100 to 5,600 DPI/CPI.
        * Six assignable button modes: Key, Keypress, Macro, Mouse, Special, and Mouse-Key Combo.
        * Analog Xbox 360-style joystick with six analog and digital joystick modes.
        * Clickable and command-assignable scroll wheel.
        * 512k of flash memory holding up to 3,072 application commands in 64 modes.
        * Three on-the-fly CPI settings per mode. Maximum 192 different on-the-fly CPI settings.
        * 1.85 meter USB cable and coated rubber top.
        * Meta Modeware for the creation, management, and customization of game and application modes.
        * Import and export of custom modes.
        * PDF export of application modes.
        * Graphical pop-up map of current button assignments.
        * Statistical tracking of all mouse button clicks and application command clicks by application.
        * 64 default modes for popular games and applications, including Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, Microsoft Outlook, Word, and Excel, OpenOffice.org Writer, Calc, and Impress, 3D Studio Max, Autodesk AutoCAD, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Reader, the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, and the Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator.

            Because WarMouse is a supporter of Open Source Software, the Meta Modeware software has been released under the Lesser Gnu Public License version 3. For more detailed information about the WarMouse Meta, visit http://www.warmouse.com./ [www.warmouse.com] The WarMouse Meta is now available for $79.99 / EUR69.99 / GBP59.99 for Windows-based operating systems. Full Linux and OSX support is expected in Q3 2010.

Does it have a flywheel? (1)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731236)

Or just a clickwheel? Gotta have a flywheel.

My ultimate mouse (1)

ortholattice (175065) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731368)

My wife is driven batty, tossing and turning and unable to sleep, with the constant clickety-click of the mouse I use with my netbook for reading/browsing in bed. I have tried several models and picked the quietest, but still there's an audible click that either gets me kicked out of bed eventually or forces me to use the (for me) less efficient trackpad. I've tried to test different models in the store, but it's hard to judge accurate through the thick clamshell packaging. Ideally what I'd like is a portable (small) mouse, preferably wireless, that has no audible click but does provide enough tactile feedback to know that you've clicked it. Any suggestions?

King? Looks More Like the Clown (2, Insightful)

knapper_tech (813569) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731448)

Five important aspects of a mouse:
1 Frictionless Scroll Wheel (no bumps while rolling...carpal tunnel)
2 Buttons click with very little vibration. After several thousand clicks per day, the difference between Thwump and TwhaCkchkchck becomes painfully obvious
3 Very, very precise tracking. Although Blue-track is awesome on rough surfaces, I like that first pixel to be quantum mechanically entangled with the first detectable movement. Making users hands numb is not an acceptable way to bring tactile feedback and mouse movement into synch.
4 Shape. Just don't make it suck. Mechanically, I really like there to be troths for the fingers. I think they help bring more of the finger into contact and use the soft tissue to dampen vibrations quickly and gently. It also helps reduce the total moment carried by the fingertip because some of it is applied towards the base.
5 Transmitter and battery....afterthoughts but they need to be on a list that includes everything a mouse engineer should know.

When I started using blender to do tons of 3D modelling, compositing, skinning, animation etc etc, I noticed how crappy mice really are. Most seem to be designed so that oilfield workers will still feel comfortable using them after pulling several thousand feet of pipe.

When truly tied to lots of mouse action, the most important thing is to make it as much of a psychic experience as possible. The mouse should barely exist.

At least they've got lots of them (2, Interesting)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731488)

Store page says :

1e+09 Units in Stock

All the way, baby! (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731524)

18 buttons? Pfft!
I just strapped a dozen keyboards to a Swiss ball!

Now tell me who has the king of all computer mice!?! :D

Is it me? (1)

majesty2180 (622090) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731588)

Is it just me, or is anyone else suffering from tendinitis of the Carpal Tunnel just from looking at the thing (this statement is not meant to have any hidden meaning of sexual self-satisfaction)? I can't imagine using that 18 button behemoth for any extended time...

I have a better idea (1)

Thraxy (1782662) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731594)

Gut an old mouse and glue the components to the bottom of your keyboard. Make a little hole in the top of the keyboard for the scroll wheel. Put little non-sticky pads on each corner of the keyboard, and voila!! All the buttons you could possibly want on your brand new SUPER MOUSE OF DOOM!

Ball-mouse (1)

Phatency (1007991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731606)

Am I the only one still using a ball-mouse? This COMPAQ beast has a scrollwheel and everything, it only scrolls downwards though.

Wrong name (1)

AnAdventurer (1548515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731694)

It would not be called War Mouse. Should be called Ubur-robo-matic-mouse-of-war, and it should be wireless.

Doctor Who designed this thing?? (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 4 years ago | (#32731778)

That would explain a lot, but now I think it's missing egg beaters and a cricket bat.

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