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Verizon iPhone Rumored For Early Next Year

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the this-time-fer-sure dept.

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Many readers are submitting coverage from around the Net, all based on a Bloomberg piece quoting two anonymous sources who insist that Verizon Wireless will offer a CDMA iPhone in January 2011. No one at Verizon or Apple would confirm, of course, and no one at AT&T would comment. "The iPhone, which has been the sole domain of rival AT&T in the US since June 2007, will give Verizon a boost in its competition for smartphone customers, UBS AG analyst John Hodulik said in an interview. Verizon customers, who numbered 92.8 million at the end of the first quarter, may buy 3 million iPhones a quarter, he estimates. ... 'Apple is going to dramatically increase the number of devices it sells in the US when exclusivity at AT&T ends,' said Hodulik. ... 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"

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As Annie once said... (5, Funny)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737872)

Tomorrow! Tomorrow!You're always a day away!

Verizon iPhone (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738032)

Who cares? Verizon already has a nice selection of phones which are superior to the iPhone.

Can we shut up about this? (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737886)

I suppose I am an Apple "fanboy" and I like hearing interesting Apple news as much as the next guy, but there is no news here.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (1, Insightful)

the-matt-mobile (621817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737998)

I am certainly NOT an Apple fanboy, but it's silly to claim that this isn't news, *assuming* it turns out to be true. Apple has the most popular smartphone on the market, and the reason why many people, including businesses and me personally, haven't adopted it is because the iPhone is not available on Verizon. The AT&T exclusivity contract is the biggest hindrance to iPhone adoption - not the tech, not the restrictive App Store, and not Apple's policies. If exclusivity is over and there's a real date on it, this is BIG news.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738026)

Yeah, its been rumored to be coming to Verizon ever since the iPhone 3G came out though. Each time its been proven to be false or terribly delayed. We had these same stories last year with the 3GS and stories the year previous. Until we get actual proof to back it up (such as CDMA hardware company buyout by Apple or something) it has no more credit than the stories 2 years ago.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738106)

As a non Apple Fanboy - I had assumed it was already on Verizon because I heard the news a couple years ago that it might be on Verizon soon and I figured I missed the news article saying it was released on Verizon.

Apparently I've been had.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738140)

There have been rumors of a Verizon iPhone since before the first iPhone was released. Every time the supposed release date lapses, it gets pushed back 6 months.

Now of course, sooner or later these rumors are bound to be right. Eventually, most carriers are moving to LTE so you might not even need different phone models for each carrier. But until there's something in the way of evidence or a reliable source, this isn't news.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738194)

It's news when it happens - or when it's imminent.

"Next year" is forever in mobile phone world. People change phones every 2 years - next year is "half a generation away".

'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'

'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that the new iPhone has faced.'

Re:Can we shut up about this? (4, Funny)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738300)

'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'

'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that the new iPhone has faced.'

The quality issues aren't with the iPhone, they are with the iPhone customers. They're holding the phone wrong, remember?

Re:Can we shut up about this? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738550)

Apple has the most popular smartphone on the market

WTF? Okay, Android is a variety of phones made by different manufacturers but how can you ignore Blackberry? "It's nbot popular it just sells a lot more" or something?

Re:Can we shut up about this? (4, Funny)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738790)

I am certainly NOT an Apple fanboy, but it's silly to claim that this isn't news, *assuming* it turns out to be true.

If a Verizon iPhone actually occurs, or is announced, that will be news.

That there are reports from anonymous sources that a Verizon iPhone will happen in the near future is not news, its s pretty regular occurrence.

As an analogy:

While it would be significant news if Judgement Day occurred, it would not be significant news that there was a man with a hand-lettered sign on a sidewalk in a major city announcing that Judgement Day was imminent.

Apple's 28% marketshare of smartphones... (2, Informative)

mollog (841386) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738904)

Apple currently has a 28% market share of the smartphone market, even with its phone being exclusive to ATT. Opening it to the Verizon network will surely cause its market share to climb sharply.

Right now, Apple is in a three-way tie for the market [appleinsider.com] . It will start to dominate the market if/when it goes onto the Verizon network.

Re:Can we shut up about this? (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738940)

I suppose I am an Apple "fanboy" and I like hearing interesting Apple news as much as the next guy, but there is no news here.

Not only that, this isn't even new.

Every year (now every few months) you get the same "OMG Iphone N+1 will be on $TELCO". I had an American friend who is switching to Verizon (because he was moving out of another telco's service area, how quaint) and was looking at my Milestone (GSM variant of the Droid) in comparison to the Iphone yet all the Itards kept saying "there are strong rumours that Iphone4 will be on Verizon". Well we all saw how that one ended didn't we, Apple rumours are less trustworthy then normal rumours and people tend to forget that Apple likes excursive contracts and AT&T have one for 5 years.

Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting ... (3, Insightful)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737890)

I was in business school recently. Lots of classmates purchased iPhones. An equal number wanted to but did not want to switch their family plans from Verizon to AT&T. If and when Verizon becomes an option I expect a spike in sales like we are seeing with the introduction of the iPhone 4. When I think about it, maybe its good for Apple to add Verizon in between phone updates and not at the same time. It would just be more strain on a new supply chain trying to get ramped up.
--
Perpenso Calc [perpenso.com] for iPhone, scientific and hex calculator, RPN, fractions, complex numbers, 64/32-bit modes, signed/unsigned modes, IEEE FP encode/decode, UTF-8, RGB

Re:Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting . (1)

lazybeam (162300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738008)

What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).

Re:Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting . (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738104)

What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).

Canada was a market until November 2009 when the two major CDMA carriers (Telus/Bell) launched an HSPA+/HSUPA network in most of the provinces. I have my iPhone 3GS through Fido but I have my iPad on a 15 dollar paygo data plan with Bell.

Most of the remaining CDMA markets are either comprised of people too poor to buy an iPhone and data plan or use a different variant of CDMA which uses SIM cards called CSIMs.

Re:Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting . (1)

NekSnappa (803141) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738182)

According to what I read earlier today. This is supposed to coincide with Verizon's 4G roll out in January.
And from what I understand Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T are all going to use LTE instead of WiMax for their 4G networks.

Now I would think it would still have to have CDMA as a fall back when 4G is unavailable. So would still have to have a separate set of guts for the different providers.

Re:Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting . (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738310)

Nope, my Samsung t459 dumbphone supports 850 and 900. It might be the first smartphone to support both...?

Re:Many with family plans on Verizon are waiting . (2, Informative)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738912)

The Infinion chipset in the iPhone already has the support needed for CDMA from what I've read, basically they just need to put the right radios in the phone, and Verizon needs to make the network enhancements to support visual voice mail.

THe potential market in the US is huge, probably in the neighborhood of 60 million potential new buyers. Of course only a fraction of those will purchase, but since the Verizon customer base is about the same size as AT&T's and given the penetration of the iPhone in to AT&T's customer base, it will be millions of sales for Apple.

On a personal note, I've had LA Cellular / Cingular / AT&T for a long time, and in So Cal / Arizona I've never had any issues with AT&T

Youtube Video Of Those Eager Verizon Customers (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738146)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg [youtube.com]

Who wouldn't want to have a cellphone:

* That is defective by design with the shitty antenna design

* Fake and poorly implemented multi-tasking

* Outdated OS compared to Android

* A raging control freak in charge of every single piece of content for the phone

LOL! iPhone...

I Want (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32737894)

If Apple wants to lock down the iPhone...

And Google wants to remotely install and delete software from my droid...

Then I want a N900 + MeeGo.

I also want a pony.

Re:I Want (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32737996)

I want to pummel your dad's asshole.

Two Anonymous Sources, huh? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32737898)

Well, I insist that Microsoft will be releasing Windows 2008 under GPL in Q2 2011.

One more, and I can get a press release!

AT&T....can you fear me now? (1)

d474 (695126) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737902)

Muwaaa-haa-haa-haaa!! --Verizon

Re:AT&T....can you fear me now? (2, Funny)

pauljlucas (529435) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738972)

Steve to AT&T: "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

Steve would never do this... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737904)

But it would be unbelievably hilarious to imagine what would happen if Verizon announced that they would be carrying the iPhone and, once all the eager little pre-orderers had plunked down their US Treasury gift cards, revealed the horrible truth: that the ViPhone had had the same ghastly Verizon software makeover as most of the other phones Verizon sells, unbelievably unintuitive red interface, V-Cast music store, and all.

It would certainly calm fears at AT&T about subscriber loss...

Re:Steve would never do this... (2, Funny)

d474 (695126) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738000)

Are you trying to say you aren't TOTALLY excited about using the VZ Navigator on the viPhone? What is wrong with you.

Re:Steve would never do this... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738022)

Verizon's not doing this to their Android phones, so I see no reason why they'd do it to their iPhone (not that Apple would ever allow that to happen).

Re:Steve would never do this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738062)

I'll hold out for the emacsPhone

Re:Steve would never do this... (3, Informative)

kefler (938387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738330)

Uhhh what? I have a Droid with verizon and there's no trace of V-anything. Unless you go to the market and install the basic verizon stuff. I think you are livin' in the past.

Re:Steve would never do this... (3, Interesting)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738828)

Yep, Verizon seems to have realized that if they gimp their Android phones (which are marketed to geeks), they would end up repelling those very geeks that they are trying to woo. I know I would not have got my Droid if Verizon had blocked all the fun stuff that comes stock with Android.

Tech companies must know by now that a lot of non-geeks ask their geek friends and colleagues for tech advice - including what new smartphone to buy. Piss off or disappoint the geeks, and they will talk trash about your product - remember Vista?

Case in point: Because I liked my Droid so much, we bought my wife a Droid Eris. I've convinced two of my friends to drop their iPhones when their contracts are up and jump ship to Android (not that it took much convincing - they were getting pissed off about all the things you can't do with an iPhone - no Flash, no ability to have a spare battery, no USB drive access to the phone's memory or SD card) and another non-iPhone-using friend is upgrading from a feature phone to a Droid X soon. Seems like their new policy of not hobbling their phones is working out for Verizon so far.

Re:Steve would never do this... (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738898)

The only jerk move Verizon did to the Palm Pre is try to tack on turn by turn and aGPS for $10/mo.

Too bad (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737914)

Its really too bad Apple didn't go with multiple carriers from the beginning, I think they've already tarnished their phones reputation by keeping it on AT&T's crappy network, not to mention now bandwidth caps, how am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

Really, Apple should have gone multi-carrier from the 3G(S) onwards and probably from the first iPhone... But, this is Apple, after all, AT&T's terrible network is just part of the experience! Now you can be complaining about it like the masses!

different systems (5, Insightful)

swschrad (312009) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738064)

nothing that will work on the ATT network will work on Verizon. different chipsets, different modulation, different cell-skip algorithms.

so Apple would have to whip up two different phones altogether. they could keep the screen and maybe some of the case parts, but nothing else. they don't do that.

we are entering a new era, in which the 4G systems are going to be more similar than different. now, it makes sense for Apple to span multiple 4G systems, as you just fork the software left or right at boot, and twiddle some tables. note the rumored verIphone will only work in the 4G realm, which will be 1/5 of the network or so in January, but the whole thing by the 2012/2013 boundary.

Re:different systems (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738102)

Yes, but its Apple, look at Motorola which pretty much shipped 4 versions of the Razor phone for each of the major carriers, just add some drivers to iOS and divide manufacturing between CDMA and GSM iPhones, for a company as large as Apple, its not too huge of a feat. For a tiny community driven company, yes, for a major hardware vendor like Apple? Its easy.

Re:different systems (5, Insightful)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738408)

Yes, but its Apple, look at Motorola which pretty much shipped 4 versions of the Razor phone for each of the major carriers, just add some drivers to iOS and divide manufacturing between CDMA and GSM iPhones, for a company as large as Apple, its not too huge of a feat. For a tiny community driven company, yes, for a major hardware vendor like Apple? Its easy.

Why do something as easy as ship 4 different phones for the 4 major US carriers, when they can do something as complicated as ship one phone that works with at least one provider in just about every place on earth.

Re:different systems (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738862)

Keeping the permutations of devices small allows developers and Apple to focus on more important things.

Re:different systems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738388)

My understanding on this was that Verizon and AT&T will be using the same general LTE "4G" (really, more like 3.9G, but whatever) technology, removing the interoperability issue. I could be wrong, and I'm posting as AC, so I probably wouldn't trust me either.

Re:different systems (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738916)

Palm Pre exists on ATT and Verizon...are you suggesting Palm can do this but not Apple?

Re:Too bad (2, Informative)

caerwyn (38056) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738094)

They didn't have a choice in the matter. AT&T was the only one willing to let them do what they wanted with the phone, and without that freedom it wouldn't have been the iPhone. Now that it has completely changed the direction for smartphones, everyone's willing to play ball, but that exclusivity was almost a requirement early on.

How? the same we we get most data. WiFi (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738136)

How am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

I am a heavy data user, pretty using the iPhone constantly during the day and then also as I drive to pull up maps over the network from Waze.

Yet, my usage almost never exceeds 200 MB(!) a month. How can this be so?

Because most of the places I am at, have WiFi. If you have any WiFi around where you normally are, in fact it would be quite difficult to reach the 2GB cap.

Also, other carriers are starting to put in caps as well, so it hardly matters that AT&T has one.

Re:How? the same we we get most data. WiFi (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738184)

The problem with Wi-Fi is that where I am (suburbs) Wi-Fi from the local ISP is actually slower than a bar of 3G! It has lower latency than 3G of course but when it comes to download speeds your getting about 1-2 megabits per second from Wi-Fi and around 5-7 for 3G. Not to mention that Wi-Fi requires turning on yet another radio leading to worse battery life in a device that needs as much extra battery life as possible unless you do a mid-day charging.

Re:How? the same we we get most data. WiFi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738708)

I have a droid and would never switch to an iPhone but seriously if you use that many open wifi hotspots you are a moron. Lets leak a whole bunch of data on open networks. I use 3G and average about 5GB a month, though this month Ive already hit 6GB in 10 days of my billing cycle watching the world cup matches on my phone over 3G. I stream music all the time, have a home subsonic server setup, and its great when on long car trips because I can continuously stream over 3G without hoping onto random open wifi networks. Also why waste so much more battery running wifi all the time when you dont have to, well at least you dont have to if you arent on the AT&T network that drops out all the time.

There are rumors that other networks (at least in the US) will put caps in place, but none have yet. If that changes then its another story, but as of right now AT&T is the only major carrier in the US to have those limits.

Re:Too bad (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738336)

You forget that no one would accept Apple's level of control they wanted over the iPhone. Remember the ROKR? This is why JObs vowed never to be at the mercy of a phone company ( provider or handset maker ) ever again.

Lets also rememeber that Verizon was offered iPhone first *and* so was AT&T ( who also turned it down ). It was Cingular that said yes, and AT&T just happened to get to the deal by taking over Cingular.

Remember as well, that Apple was preparing to go it alone with wholesale subscriber minutes a la boost etc if no one would commit. What a different future that would have been

Re:Too bad (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738870)

not to mention now bandwidth caps, how am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

What makes you think that Apple doesnt have a hand in these bandwidth caps?

Apple doesnt want users to go to any HTML5-based alternatives that Apple doesnt get a cut from, for their music/etc. They were against Flash and now that the alternative is picking up some steam, the device cant even be used as a media outlet because of unreasonable caps.

Coincidence? Just sayin'

small impact, android will trump (3, Insightful)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737920)

this will have less of an impact for verizon than people might think. in a year, android will be even more entrenched in their existing user base. for new users, there will be new android offerings that out-gear the iphone 4.

Re:small impact, android will trump (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32737960)

There are already Android offerings that out-gear the iPhone 4.

Re:small impact, android will trump (0, Troll)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738176)

There are already Android offerings that out-gear the iPhone 4.

Name one. The iPhone 4's 5 Megapixel camera has a better quality sensor and focus mechanism for macro shots than the 8 Megapixel Android phones. The iPhone's new display has the highest pixel density of any phone out on the market.

Re:small impact, android will trump (2, Informative)

josteos (455905) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738308)

A real keyboard.

Some of you iDandys may not want one, but I do. I've got my eye on the Droid 2, not the iPhone or the Incredible or the EVO.

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738422)

A real keyboard. Some of you iDandys may not want one, but I do. I've got my eye on the Droid 2, not the iPhone or the Incredible or the EVO.

You can use any real full sized blutooth keyboard with an iPhone. Oh, you mean one of those dinky cramped messaging phone keyboards? What if you want to use another language layout? With a virtual onscreen keyboard, you can just switch between layouts with the touch of an onscreen button.

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738880)

Iphone supports changing to a custom onscreen keyboard? Oh wait that is Android too. Swype is pretty handy for quick messages and I have my keyboard if I need to pluck out something more.

Re:small impact, android will trump (4, Insightful)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738356)

And for those of us not attempting to take professional photography with our cell phones, and those who don't feel the "magic" of pixel density, and those who want to make video calls while not connected to Wifi, and those who don't have vegetarian-starved thin fingers with which to manipulate a tiny (but immaculately crisp, no doubt) onscreen keyboard, and those who want to use, and wirelessly share, a 7-10 Mbps data connection, all while paying less per month - there's the EVO 4G.

Re:small impact, android will trump (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738358)

Android phones can *actually make calls*, even when you hold them in a way that doesn't meet with Steve Jobs' approval.

Re:small impact, android will trump (2, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738476)

Examples of cellphones other than iPhone 4 affected by holding it:

HTC Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk [youtube.com]

Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54 [youtube.com]

Nokia E71: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1gHDa7-X0 [youtube.com]

Nokia 6230: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RP7Fn1w8Q [youtube.com]

Nokia 6720: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ7t75Uo6qQ [youtube.com]

Basically, any phone that has an integrated antenna will have diminished signal when you hold them from the bottom instead of how almost everyone in the civilized world holds a cellphone when making a call. Take note of the Verizon phone in the mix.

Re:small impact, android will trump (2, Informative)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738938)

The iPhone 4 does has a pretty nice display at 960x640 and it's true you can't see the pixels. Then again, on my Droid's 854 x 480 screen, I can't see the pixels either - that was one thing I marveled at when I first got it, and I still do. I too can view a web page zoomed all the way out and still read it - not comfortably, but you can at least see how the page is supposed to look. I think we're at the point of diminishing returns here with display resolution on these small screens. And my display is perfectly readable in full sunlight - not sure how the iPhone is.

But I'll give you the fact that the iPhone has a superb camera. Android manufacturers need to take the hint from Apple and work on BETTER cameras, not just more megapixels.

Some things that some Android phones have that iPhone does not: 4G (Sprint EVO 4G), swappable battery, wireless syncing (you only have to plug an Android phone into your computer to sync music, video, and files - all the contact data and etc. is backed up in the cloud automatically).

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737966)

Um, my guess is that its going to have a huge impact for Verizon if they don't screw with the phones and castrate them like they've been known to do... Why would I use AT&T over Verizon? About the only thing is that AT&T's dumbphones are a bit less crippled than the stuff that Verizon sells and the iPhone, for all other smartphones Verizon is the clear winner, plus they actually have unlimited data and not a crappy 2 GB cap.

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738006)

I don't know about that. Never underestimate the power of the Apple marketing department, and the perception of the iPhone seems to be (albeit horribly wrong) that no other smartphone is even comparable to the iPhone. I'd wager that for more than a few average users, Android was something that was a placeholder until they could get their hands on an iPhone. Then again, I'm fairly cynical as to the susceptibility of the average person to the inane "Apple's thing is great" hype.

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738548)

Never underestimate the power of the Apple marketing department,

Indeed, remember those who doubted the Newton would succeed?

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738838)

I don't know about that. Never underestimate the power of the Apple marketing department

Assuming that Verizon iPhone would make a big difference would be assuming that the Apple marketing department was insufficient to draw people to Apple + AT&T from Verizon.

So, which side is underestimating Apple marketing?

Re:small impact, android will trump (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738312)

I know about 10 to 12 people that own Android phones. Of these, only one actually wanted a droid and hates the iPhone, he also happens to love /.

The rest only bought into Androids because it was the only thing to settle for that was available out of ATT. I only know one other person that just switched and he regretted the ATT switch. I am an iPhone user, didn't switch to ATT but in the last few years I have started to hate them as they keep degrading instead of improving. I have even considered jumping to Verizon due to the horrible service. If apple ever releases an iPod Touch thats equivalent to the iPhone 4, i will do the switch and just get me an iPod Touch 4 (or whatever they call it.) At that point I MIGHT settle for an Android device, but also likely i'll just get an old fashioned flip-flop phone.

If Apple releases an iPhone 4 for Verizon, I'll switch carriers overnight (unless they come out and actually implement limited data plans.)

Verizon FUD? (1)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 4 years ago | (#32737924)

The business insider [businessinsider.com] makes an interesting point:

We wouldn't be surprised if this was Verizon's doing, in an attempt to get people to wait before upgrading to the iPhone 4 and extending their AT&T contracts another two years. The carrier has a history of leaked information during sensitive times for its competitors. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-iphone-coming-in-january-2010-6#ixzz0sHfifYxg [businessinsider.com]

iPhone commercials advertise the ability to make calls and surf at the same time. AFAIK, you can't do that on Verizon's network.

Re:Verizon FUD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738038)

Yup, because Verizon uses ancient CDMA crap. My Droid is "crippled" this way. I had a friend with a Palm Pre on Verizon that was like "SURE I can talk and surf at the same time! Why the hell not!?" so I said "prove it" and she was really surprised.

Re:Verizon FUD? (4, Informative)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738086)

Perhaps they are implementing this? http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp [cdg.org]

A complementary device enhancement known as simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO) will also become available during the same timeframe and will enable CDMA2000 devices to access EV-DO packet data services while in an active 1X circuit-switch voice call.

Re:Verizon FUD? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738202)

Perhaps they are implementing this? http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp [cdg.org]

A complementary device enhancement known as simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO) will also become available during the same timeframe and will enable CDMA2000 devices to access EV-DO packet data services while in an active 1X circuit-switch voice call.

So that is a simple upgrade then? Is it backwards compatible with existing devices? If you are going to upgrade every tower anyway, why not go with HSPA+/HSUPA and get near LTE speeds right now and be able to support the iPhone 4 and other existing handsets?

Re:Verizon FUD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738852)

So that is a simple upgrade then? Is it backwards compatible with existing devices? If you are going to upgrade every tower anyway, why not go with HSPA+/HSUPA and get near LTE speeds right now and be able to support the iPhone 4 and other existing handsets?

So, you know, they can support the existing devices of the 90-some odd million customers they have that work on CDMA tech, not GSM/HSPA+/HSUPA tech?

Why (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738004)

So maybe I slightly more reliable service, but I am going to nickel and dimed to death with minor charges, and if I die my loved ones are going to have an early termination fee. I am just an average person, with no PR department to make them reverse the charges. As bad as ATT is, at least my bills are very predictable.

Then they still charge $30 for data. I only use 200 megabytes so why pay more than 15? And what is this crap about $45 is i check corporate email? I do check work email on my phone? If I do so and only pay for the $30 data plan are they going to arrest me? This is the kind of silly nickel and dime BS that keeps me away from verizon. They only thing they are good at is finding sneaky ways to maximize the recurring.

To with, charging for voice mail. I have never had to pay for that. And pay to recieve a PDF of a detailed bill? What is this, Cricket?

Macfags on the Gayrizon network (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738018)

Now you can use the integrated FapTime to stroke your cocks and ejaculate on the corner to boost your signal. With the new integrated TrapStore you can get all the Tranny porn. Want "snow" to come out of your "leopard"? There is an app for that.

The new iPad with cum in your rentina display, with 64GB of gay porn, from Steve "oh Jeez" Jobs.

Re:Macfags on the Gayrizon network (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738780)

The new iPad with cum in your rentina display, with 64GB of gay porn, from Steve "oh Jeez" Jobs.

Actually you'd have a lot better luck getting gay porn on an Android phone.

Blame Verizon (4, Insightful)

gig (78408) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738058)

> 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"

Even harder to ignore that Verizon's closed network only runs Verizon phones.

If Verizon is building LTE then that can run iPhone 4G. Can't see a CDMA iPhone at this late stage. It's been end-of-lifed for quite some time. An iPhone 4G launch on Verizon is an event. Verizon and AT&T competing for iPhone users with the same handsets is an event.

Re:Blame Verizon (1)

NekSnappa (803141) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738282)

Verizon is launching LTE in January.

I hope this is true (1)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738092)

If enough people jump to Verizon, it might take some strain off of AT&T's shitty network.

Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (2, Informative)

Kostya (1146) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738100)

How can anyone post this when we have the exclusive deal confirmed? http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/confirmed-apple-and-atandt-signed-five-year-iphone-exclusivity-de/ [engadget.com]

And the other is that the last time I checked, Verizon doesn't have GSM. Why would Apple manufacture two different devices, and one that can't be used in all the other world markets? I'm not trying to start a GSM/CDMA holy war, just acknowledging that Apple is doing just fine with AT&T and GSM. Why would they go through all that trouble just to get Verizon customers?

Especially since Verizon seems to insist on branding all phones they offer--I don't see how Steve would accept that either.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (1)

DJ Particle (1442247) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738124)

Don't CDMA iPhones exist outside the USA already?

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738386)

Don't CDMA iPhones exist outside the USA already?

No. If you are thinking of Bell and Telus in Canada, those carriers launched an HSPA+/HSUPA network (3G) network like other GSM carriers use.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738964)

In Japan, NTT Docomo sell iPhone and has been for a while. NTT Docomo uses Wideband CDMA (WCDMA), so there's already CDMA version of the iPhone. Anyone that knows the cell phone industry knows supporting GSM/TDMA and CDMA/WCDMA is required for global rollout. Europe is still dominated by GSM/TDMA, while much of asia uses WCDMA/CDMA for the extra capacity and bandwidth. Don't take my word for it, just ask wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTT_DoCoMo)

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738554)

Apple makes a CDMA iPhone for China.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (1)

Jason Pollock (45537) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738966)

No, they don't make a phone that is "CDMA", as in "It will work with Verizon's CDMA network". They make a phone that is CDMA, as in "It uses WCDMA to access the radio network, the same as all other 3G UMTS phones".

You're being confused by the fact that they're calling it a CDMA phone, which means something entirely different over there than it does in the US.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738934)

They are pretty rare outside of the US. Here in NZ we've got one, and they're turning it off in favour of GSM.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (1)

Rakishi (759894) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738418)

Why would they go through all that trouble just to get Verizon customers?

Because they want to sell more iphones and make even more money? I mean seriously, it's like asking why would Apple go through all the trouble of launching the iphone anywhere but the US. After all they could do quite well by just staying in the US.

Re:Uh, Exclusive Deal (And GSM)? (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738772)

There are plenty of phone manufacturers that make a GSM and a CDMA version of a the same phone. In fact, Samsung is doing just that with their upcoming Android offering, the Galaxy S (and they're planning to release versions of it on 5 of the top 6 US carriers [msn.com] ). Did you not catch that there are over 92 million Verizon customers? Then there's also the Sprint, US Cellular, MetroPCS, Alltel et al CDMA carriers. Granted they're not AT&T or Verizon in size, but I'm willing to bet there's at least another 70 million potential customers.

So... if it's worth the time of Blackberry, Samsung, and HTC to make both GSM and CDMA versions of some of their most popular/flagship devices, why would it not be worth it for Apple, who has the most popular smartphone in the world (meaning there's little fear that it won't sell). The only reason is the exclusivity agreement. And the Engadget editor said it best:

Contracts can be canceled, amended, and breached in many ways, and AT&T's spotty recent service history plus the explosion of the iPhone and the mobile market in general have given Apple any number of reasons to revisit the deal

Isn't Verizon building out a GSM network? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738108)

I think they are, but only using it for data atm.

Uh huh. (5, Funny)

Snap E Tom (128447) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738222)

And 2011 will finally be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Re:Uh huh. (2, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738338)

Close! With Android, 2011 will finally be the year of Linux on the cell phone. The forte for Linux is embedded applications and servers. Desktop users are already trained to use Windows, so it doesn't matter how much technically "better" another OS is.

AT&T is giving out early upgrades (1)

Wolvenhaven (1521217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738228)

My entire family is on AT&T and we all got given upgrades at the same time and so have all the other people I know who have AT&T. Because using the upgrade requires you to renew your two year contract with them it makes sense if they're losing the iPhone monopoly, they want to lock as many people in as they can for two more years before they lose it to someone else.

More bullshit to drum up ad hits (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738242)

Apple and AT&T have an exclusivity agreement until 2012 (insert end of the world jokes here). Steve has said more than once back in 2007 that this was so. Expect a Verizon phone announcement 2012, unless AT&T ponies up a huge amount of cash to redo the agreement. Apple won't end the agreement because I bet there is a huge money clause that says Apple will have to pay thru the nose if they break that agreement.

This is from a business website, and I believe the last prediction which was that it would be announced at WWDC, was also a business website. I'd bet every prediction since 2007 originated from some business website. And these same guys probably have Apple and Verizon stock. These predictions come out once every 6 months at least. Everyone of them is BS, and they know it.

Re:More bullshit to drum up ad hits (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738354)

I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone", or by offering it indirectly through another company, or by simply licensing the iPhone technology to other Cellular companies to manufacture their own phone, or...

Re:More bullshit to drum up ad hits (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738592)

I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone", or by offering it indirectly through another company, or by simply licensing the iPhone technology to other Cellular companies to manufacture their own phone, or...

Errm, I doubt Apple would let go any control over their phone to get out of a contract with AT&T - I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that makes it much easier.

Re:More bullshit to drum up ad hits (1)

Graff (532189) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738698)

I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone"

Yes, I'm sure that AT&T's lawyers were dumb enough not to close the "Name it the vPhone and we can get around the agreement!" loophole or any of the other loopholes you mentioned.

Instead of assuming that AT&T hires stupid lawyers I think that it's more likely that the agreement between Apple and AT&T allows either company to break the contract by paying some sort of penalty. This is pretty standard between large corporations. Of course, it would have to be a large penalty so that the agreement couldn't be broken trivially.

Till LTE does us part (1)

saikou (211301) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738250)

These rumors have been around for how many years now? I bet Apple will just wait another year or so and then LTE-capable iPhone model will be born (iPhone 5 anyone?) which, OMG, really finally _will_ be Verizon capable.
Sprint will be out of luck for a while due to different provisioning and absence of clear LTE rollout plans (WiMax is pretty much out of luck, and even Clear was saying something like "Well, we can switch to LTE if we really want to", so no iPhone support for WiMax)

On record that AT&T is exclusive until 2012 (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738374)

Maybe announced in 2012, but Apple is on record in court filings related to a 2007 case over AT&T lock-in that AT&T has exclusivity to the iPhone until 2012 [cnn.com]

I'm sure they could buy their way out, but why do that when they could just wait one more year and still sell a shit load of devices?

maybe (1)

LodCrappo (705968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738378)

The iPhone seems to be on it's way to becoming a niche device in the long term unless something changes. Perhaps occupying a niche is exactly what Apple wants, some fans have commented that they believe this. If not, expanding to additional US carriers is the only way to compete with Android's quickly growing market share. We're already seeing saturation with over 75% of iPhone 4 purchasers being previous iPhone users (the highest repeat buyer rate of any iPhone release). Meanwhile Android is adding 160,000 new users a day, a rate that outpaces the rate of new iPhone users even during the iPhone 4 launch. It is only a matter of time until Android has more users than iPhone unless Apple finds a new way to add more users. Expanding to additional US carriers seems the only way to do this, so I would believe the Verizon iPhone could be more likely than ever before.

Re:maybe (1)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738682)

We're already seeing saturation with over 75% of iPhone 4 purchasers being previous iPhone users (the highest repeat buyer rate of any iPhone release)

Where does it say the iPhones being replaced will all go into the trash can?

More likely they will be resold or given away and used by someone else, who may or may not already have an iPhone. Let's do some math. 1.7M new phones sold last weekend. 75% of that would be 1.275M upgraders who now possess a spare iPhone. Even if half of them DO just chuck out their old iPhone, that still leaves 637,500 iPhones finding their way to new owners. Surely there will be enough "new to iPhone" users in that 637K to give a nice bump to Apple's installed base.

~Philly

Re:maybe (1)

LodCrappo (705968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738784)

Android adds 640k users every four days. The number of used iphones going onto new contracts is not really significant. The ratio of new vs old customers compared to past devices is the important detail.

Re:maybe (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738928)

Meanwhile Android is adding 160,000 new users a day, a rate that outpaces the rate of new iPhone users even during the iPhone 4 launch.

"even during the iPhone 4 launch". Apple sold 1.7M in 3 days... So 566,666/day. So you're claiming that over 400,000 of those users are JUST upgrading an existing iPhone?
[citation needed]

Re:maybe (1)

LodCrappo (705968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738968)

no. 75% of the 1.7M iPhone purchasers were upgrading an older iphone. only 425k of the iphone 4 purchasers were new iphone users. in those same 3 days (on average, based on the latest sales number) Android added 480k new users.

Where's the damn SEC? (2, Insightful)

KarmaKhameleon (1843244) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738412)

Hope the feds investigate these rumor-churns that seems to do nothing else but manipulate the price of Verizon's stock than actually - you know - result in an iPhone for Verizon. They've been putting out false flags for 3 years now.

Only Madoff could run a game as long as Verizon is.

If Verizon is to get the iPhone... (1)

lord_mike (567148) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738556)

...Apple will need to take a pay cut. Apple needs Verizon more than Verizon needs Apple )inorder to crush the Android competition). Verizon is doing very well with their Android phones, so hey don't need to pay the kings ransom that AT&T does for the iPhone. Without the iPhone, AT&T is nothing, and everyone knows it. Apple will want Verizon to pay the same kind of subsidies that AT&T is paying. Verizon is unlikely to comply. It doesn't make much business sense for them to abandon a popular free platform such as Android for a much more expensive one. Meanwhile, AT&T will do anything and everything that Jobs wants to keep exclusivity (and prevent their customers from abandoning them in droves). Jobs probably wants to open up to other carriers, but AT&T will be paying so much to keep exclusivity, it will be very hard for Jobs to say no (especially, since Verizon is unlikely to play ball in negotiations).

If Apple goes to another carrier, Sprint and T-Mobile are the more likely candidates. They will pay a lot to get the iPhone. Verizon probably won't.

Why. (1)

Loktar Ogar (960557) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738588)

I like to entertain the idea that VZW would have no interest in the iPhone due to their back-asswards warranty repair policy. They still take your phone for weeks to repair it with no replacement correct? Also they have to see or talk to mac "Geniuses" to get tech support. I always look at this from the customer service nightmare side.

Anonymous Source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738618)

I have an anonymous source that says this weeks mega lotto numbers are 4 33 12 34 43 22

They must be right, they are anonymous!

to make sure you believe me, I have posted as anonymous coward :)

Can you hear me Now? (1)

jamesyouwish (1738816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738678)

Can you see me now?
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