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Cisco To Challenge iPad With Cius 'Business Tablet'

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the first-into-the-ring dept.

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GMGruman and several other readers noted Cisco's announcement of the forthcoming 7-inch Android-based iPad challenger, the Cius, which "... will offer multiple networking capabilities, keyboard and mouse support, and the ability to do videoconferencing. Cisco says it will cost less than $1,000, or about the same as an iPad. The Cius will come with a front-facing high-definition video camera that can record 720p video at 30 frames per second and a 5-megapixel camera at the back that can capture high-quality video and still images. Users will be able to engage in live video calls [most likely via WebEx] when the tablet is docked or being held. Some units will be available this fall, though general availability is not expected until early 2011."

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OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (-1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738350)

I would bet everything I could turn to cash that this will fail. As in: Will have the same or less impact on the iPad as mp3 players had on the iPod during the last 10 years.

This isn't news for nerds, this is fantasy capitalism!

"Oh please, please, let this be a robust market!"
"Fuck you. Buy an iPad."

Maybe I'm just getting too old for this shit.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (4, Insightful)

tobiah (308208) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738522)

I would bet everything I could turn to cash that this will fail. As in: Will have the same or less impact on the iPad as mp3 players had on the iPod during the last 10 years.

That's some confident gambling, but I'll put the contents of my billfold on this getting scrapped before it ships. A thousand-dollar video-conferenceing device? Get two netbooks and a coupla six-packs; a much better video-conferencing experience for less!

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (3, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739108)

Perhaps you're not aware that Cisco sells $500,000 videoconferencing rooms to the DoD? Augmenting that with a tablet seems like a no brainer. Maybe they'll even go ruggedized and have that niche to themselves.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (2)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739124)

Perhaps you're not aware that Cisco sells $500,000 videoconferencing rooms to the DoD?

Pointing out gov't waste doesn't help.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739234)

Actually it does. His post wasn't about the pro's or con's of govt spending but rather whether there is a viable market for expensive VC systems - whether you approve or not AT THIS POINT IN TIME the way the govt spends there is a viable market. So in fact ... 'Pointing out govt waste' ... does help.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (4, Insightful)

Eskarel (565631) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739704)

Depending on what they're using the room for and how many people are expected to be in it, 500k doesn't seem to be all that ludicrous. VC setups aren't exactly cheap, and if you want to be able to connect to multiple locations without an external bridge, encrypt the content, have enough cameras, microphones and screens to cover the room properly, have more than one person participate in the meeting, and generally have anything that is even remotely like having a meeting with everyone being in the same room, it's even more expensive.

Just because you can spend a couple of grand and stick a camera on top of your television set and make someone feel like they're not being totally excluded from the meeting doesn't mean it's a functional solution.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (3, Insightful)

MattskEE (925706) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739260)

A typical good videoconferencing setup already is going to cost at least a couple thousands bucks. Furthermore, a meeting with 10 people who make $60k/year is already costing $30/hr*10 = $300/hr. If the iPad like device really improves usability or provides additional utility, then the company can get a lot of value out of their investment.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (3, Insightful)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738574)

I agree for the most part. Maybe I've been living under a rock for the past 10 years, but I'm not aware that Cicso has ANY deep user interaction / UI design and implementation skills in house, except for their recent purchase of MOTO, which seems like they have a couple, but not all the bases covered. Personally I give this a slim chance of any success, and I constantly wonder why these companies seem to want to push into areas far outside their core competency. Apple clearly has the design chops to move from a PC to a cell phone and a tablet, but I will be shocked it Cisco can move from their core business into a successful tablet. Personally I've been wondering why RiM doesn't go after this market since they seem to have a very good understanding of what strictly business users want in a mobile device.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739674)

not aware that Cicso has ANY deep user interaction / UI design and implementation skills in house

People have been known to buy design skills on occasion. There are lots of design firms out there, the trick is finding a truly talented one.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (4, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738656)

Really, I was just thinking the opposite: it seems they've done a nice job choosing a different market segment to differentiate them, so they are not competing directly against the iPad. This is essentially what Apple did with the iPhone, they didn't go after business users like Blackberry was doing at the time.

Furthermore, they've already made a fairly large entrance into the teleconferencing market, so this is really just an extension of what they are already doing. If anyone could pull this off, I'd say it would be Cisco. At this point I'd give them an edge over Apple (in this market segment), but that could change if the device is released and it turns out to be a kludge.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (2, Insightful)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738876)

If anyone could pull this off, I'd say it would be Cisco

I'm not real familiar with their teleconference stuff, but if it's like I remember it, it's a big jump from what they have to a general use business tablet. I'd like to be proven wrong as competition is good, but I just don't see it. Even if this thing is great at teleconferencing it will fail if it doesn't perform other business functions well. If it doesn't have a full exchange client and native support for PowerPoint it will be a complete failure. I mean, who are the users for this? it's not the average worker because the average worker has a desktop or a laptop which can be outfitted with a top of the line logitech webcam for $100 and companies aren't going to be handing out $900 devices to anyone below director level. It's not for conference rooms because most modern conference rooms have built in solutions for group conferencing. This is for executives, and if it can't replace a blackberry and a laptop for meetings they're not going to buy one except as a toy.

I think RiM and even Microsoft, if they can create a touch based UI, are the ones who could do a good job here. I mean, Microsoft did a pretty good job of the UI for the XBOX, they should be able to figures something out for this.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (1)

asifyoucare (302582) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739076)

If anyone could pull this off, I'd say it would be Cisco.

Have you seen Cisco's software UIs? Didn't think so.

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739216)

German web pad?

Re:OH GOD MAKE IT STOP (2, Interesting)

Eskarel (565631) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739670)

You're probably right, though perhaps not for the reasons you think.

The iPad is a horrible productivity tool, moving files between applications requires iTunes and jumping through a few dozen hoops, its bluetooth is crippled, iWork sucks, and the prohibitions on running interpreted code(at least without express Apple permission), cuts into a lot of the areas where productivity tools can be particularly useful. Last I checked the iTunes ToS expressly prohibits business use of apps anyway. There is a market for this thing if it performs even remotely well as a productivity tool.

The fundamental obstacle for a device like this is the way that businesses purchase company equipment. For the most part, your average employee is, if they're lucky, going to have to choose between this and a laptop, they won't get budget for both, and, while both could have a use, this thing would be easier to live without than a laptop. Executives on the other hand, can generally get whatever toys they want, but generally speaking only seem to want shiny toys. These folks will want an iPad because the iPad is cool, cool is what Apple sells and they're damned good at it(I think that both the iPad and the Macbook Air are pointless, but when I watch the ads for them even I hear the proverbial voice in the back of my head saying "oooooh shiny" and trying to turn off all rational thought.

Just about the only way that this will sell is if people who do actual work pay for it themselves, which just isn't likely to happen unless it's at least close to the iPad's performance in all the non productivity ways(which it won't be).

But more importantly... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738352)

Is Cisco going to make sure it runs only nigger-free code runs on this tablet?

Re:But more importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738510)

Yes.

Re:But more importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738810)

Why are people so willing to show how dumb they are by posting endless tirades against different races? So dumb but smart enough to know what would happen if they put their name on their posts. I guess that's what puts the 'coward' in Anonymous coward!

Re:But more importantly... (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739416)

Why are people so willing to show how dumb they are by posting endless tirades against different races?

Because the trolls know someone will *always* reply. The replies feed them, so they post again... If nobody every replied to trolls, they'd starve and die off, but that goes against human nature, so they continue to thrive.

Lot of space between $500 and $1k (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738372)

"Under $1k' (read $999) is what everyone thought the iPad would sell for.

But actually it's half that much, $500 for the base model (which I have and is fine).

It is interesting though they seem to be aiming this at video conferencing users, it could be a lot easier to set up and use than existing solutions.

Until the iPad 2 with Facetime comes out that is... 2011 seems like Cisco is cutting it close.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (4, Insightful)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738464)

Under 1K ? Does Cisco sell anything other than parts that cheap? I mean other than the linksys line of products..

Looking at Cisco / Tandberg enterprise gear I would expect a device like this to cost 2K, after you licence all the functions on the device to make a call, and purchase some form of new CAL for your network gear to allow it to connect.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (1)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739032)

They will soon find out that their price point will have to be below that of an ipad, or they'll sell zero of them.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (4, Interesting)

silentsteel (1116795) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739298)

Actually, my company has been demo'ing the IPad for about a month now, and we can not find anything useful for businesses to justify the expenditure. If this Cisco tablet offers more in the way of benefit for our core business, I am quite sure they will be purchased, even if the cost is ~1,000.00.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739590)

And that is the problem. Businesses hate changing software, but for a tablet you have to change software or have a custom UI set up. Existing business tablets are what? notebooks with swivel screens. why? because business software is horrible for UI design and anything beyond a keyboard and mouse is too much for them.

no apple did the tablet right. They said fsck businesses we go after the home owner, sitting on their couch. it is easier to get them to buy new software than businesses which will go for 20 years(cobol anyone?) using the same software as it keeps working.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739370)

Unless they're not targeting it at home users, in which case the cost is not as much as an issue as the support.

FWIW I've only ever used WebEx when a software company was sharing a desktop in order to demo their product. Isn't one of the main benefits of teleconferencing that the other person can't see you not paying attention?

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738488)

How many people actually hold individual video conferences? All the ones I've been involved in there have been numerous attendees at each location, so it really wouldn't be feasible for each person to be using their own device - usually it involves a projector and a (relatively) high-quality camera set up in a conference room.

I suppose it would be kind of fun/cool for video chatting, but don't really see much business use for it.

Wide camera perhaps? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739608)

I was thinking the camera on the device might be wide enough to accommodate three-four people... that seems like a pretty typical number for most video conferencing, and the fact that the camera is 720p speaks to it probably being able to include a number of people instead of just one.

  Although come to think of it, any video conferencing we actually did was more on the order of 20 people with equipment as you described... perhaps Cisco is just trying to make it practical for smaller meetings to also videoconference.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738650)

Wow mod parent hilarious, that moron bought an iPad.

Re:Lot of space between $500 and $1k (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738902)

roll up, roll up, come and see the stupidest apple fan, one of the unwashed elite of the thicky world - watch as he take its up the bum, publicly, from el stevo, and pays for it too!!!!!

seriously dude, i hope for one second you realize how fucking stupid it makes you seem when you admit to paying good money for that piece of shit.

Lol pads. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738396)

Ok... (1)

Protonk (599901) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738456)

Like the comment above says, "under 1000" is corporate speak for ~999. If the iPad sold for 999 dollars, you wouldn't see 3 million sent out the door in three months. As for the other features. Great. I hope they succeed. I hope they manage to make a tablet which can compete against the April 2010 release of the iPad by early-2011. Of course, by then they will be competing with the next refresh of the iPad.

Even then, the touch tablet ecosystem needs some competition so that consumers on the margins can actually switch platforms without switching device classes. I don't plan to drop my 16GB iPad for a netbook, but I might buy an android touch tablet if they made one worth a damn.

Short for.. (1)

Serendip7 (936348) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738468)

Cius Fail Though seriously.. the big ass speakers would be nice for a teleconference application.

And... (1)

cloakedpegasus (1761746) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738478)

it will end up making them 1percent(if they're lucky) of the money the Ipad is making apple.

Bizarre (4, Interesting)

somenickname (1270442) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738482)

This is completely bizarre. Cisco doesn't have a history of making consumer grade products. And they decide to dive in with an Android tablet? WTF?

Re:Bizarre (2, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738498)

Cisco doesn't have a history of making consumer grade products.

Linksys.

Re:Bizarre (3, Informative)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738612)

Meh ... they just bought an existing company.

Re:Bizarre (0, Troll)

msauve (701917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739020)

That's all they ever do. Then rename whatever software it runs "IOS." Cisco is a marketing company, not a technology one.

Re:Bizarre (3, Informative)

abigor (540274) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739540)

Actually, exactly the opposite is true: once Cisco completes an acquisition, they pull all development in-house. In the case of Linksys, which really was just a marketing company (everything was outsourced, from board layouts to software to case design), it was a real effort to get everything from the OEMs.

After that, all soft/hardware development is done internally. Cisco employs a vast number of engineers.

Also, they don't rename everything "IOS". IOS is very specific software that runs on certain systems. None of the Linksys stuff runs it, for example.

So I don't think you really know what you're talking about.

Re:Bizarre (1)

somenickname (1270442) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738628)

Sure, but, Linksys doesn't make openly Cisco products. Yes, all tech people recognize that Linksys is Cisco but, the name Cisco usually means expense and quality in the IT world. I again assert that this is bizarre. How do you go from making $5000 routers to making Android tablets?

Re:Bizarre (2, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738886)

Yes, all tech people recognize that Linksys is Cisco but, the name Cisco usually means expense and quality in the IT world.

All those cheap Linksys routers, network devices and webcams now carry the Cisco brand name. They no longer say "Linksys" on them.

Sure, they had to buy a company to get into the home networking market, but they're there now.

Re:Bizarre (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738888)

Sure, but, Linksys doesn't make openly Cisco products. Yes, all tech people recognize that Linksys is Cisco but, the name Cisco usually means expense and quality in the IT world. I again assert that this is bizarre. How do you go from making $5000 routers to making Android tablets?

All the ones I've gotten lately have been heavily branded Cisco (along with the Linksys name)...

Re:Bizarre (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738668)

They've been trying to buy their way in to the consumer area, for some reason, first with the Linksys acquisition, more recently the guys who make those "flip" low-end camcorders, as well as the gotomyPC people.

I'm not sure if this is all part of a grand plan, or just the sign of a company that needs to invest in something; but hasn't done anything more creative than slap firmware locks and gigantic price tags on OEM hardware in years...

This isn't a consumer product (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738720)

This tablet is meant to replace IP phones, videoconferencing gear, and thin clients in businesses.

Re:Bizarre (1)

scheme (19778) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739002)

This is completely bizarre. Cisco doesn't have a history of making consumer grade products. And they decide to dive in with an Android tablet? WTF?

They make quite a lot of ip phones. You plug the phone into an ethernet jack, it connects to and gets its configuration information from a central server and works like a phone connected to a pbx system. Their phones even get power over ethernet so one cable is all you need. There's some other nice features as well.

Re:Bizarre (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739362)

I agree. Maybe people are looking at it backwards. It's not that Cisco's traditional model is to sell industrial strength goods, and that they don't have experience with consumer grade stuff; Think of it more like Cisco building the infrastructure first, and once the market saturates, moving toward products that operate on that infrastructure.

You don't suppose this is what Cisco has planned on all along?

From the stories I've heard from a Cisco vet that retired in... I think '02 or so, the environment there is very much about this Microsoft-like market dictation. In the case of the Cius, hopefully they have learned, after all these years, that to become an Apple, HP, IBM, etc. is one thing, to improve on it and do it RIGHT is entirely another.

The software is key. (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738486)

They could probably duplicate the hardware, but I doubt Cisco could make anything like iOS.

Re:The software is key. (3, Funny)

masdog (794316) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738520)

I see what you did there.

Re:The software is key. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738530)

I beg to differ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS

Re:The software is key. (2, Insightful)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738800)

Woooooooosh.

Re:The software is key. (2, Insightful)

ytaews (1837554) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738540)

Exactly. People only really care about the UI, and, in that, Apple is king.

Re:The software is key. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738788)

WHOOSH!

Re:The software is key. (1)

jsjacob (94841) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738562)

Funny, they already did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS [wikipedia.org]

Oh, you said anything *like* iOS, not anything *named* iOS.

Re:The software is key. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738760)

whoooooshhhh

Re:The software is key. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738566)

A Fisher-Price interface could be enabled to give iOS addicts something dumbed down for them.

Re:The software is key. (1)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738994)

The world's first Shape-Hole interface! Reminds me of this [theonion.com] .

Re:The software is key. (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738676)

Yo dawg, we herd u like IOS so we made a product running iOS you can use to read about IOS...

Re:The software is key. (1)

papasui (567265) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738840)

Pure gold sir.

Re:The software is key. (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738962)

So, out of 7 replies so far: 2 got the joke, 2 missed the point entirely, and 2 rushed in to correct your faux pas (I have no idea about the last one, I don't think it's entirely in English).

I guess the best way to feel smart is to assume that everyone else is borderline retarded. Sometimes thinking about the Slashdot community as a whole makes me sad.

(Oh, and now one more smartass decided to keep score on the whole process)

Re:The software is key. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738986)

4chan? In my /.? It's more likely than you think!

Re:The software is key. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739274)

Don't forget those of us who said WHOOOOOSH! :)

Re:The software is key. (4, Informative)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739014)

I agree, it is not as if Cisco had prior history with the iphone name either.

Re:The software is key. (1)

BluBrick (1924) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739594)

Your post elicited three "whoosh-worthy" reponses.


Well played, sir!

Android? Should be ios (3, Funny)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738506)

Why would Cisco use Android? If they seriously want to compete with the iPad, they need to make it run ios.

Re:Android? Should be ios (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739252)

Apple doesn't license out iOS, only they get to use it.

Re:Android? Should be ios (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739262)

Whoosh [wikipedia.org]

This could easily work (3, Insightful)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738514)

It's targeted to business users. Apple doesn't really enter into that market. So I could see this being a success.

Re:This could easily work (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738730)

Apple's entries into the business PC market are extremely limited(outside of a few specific fields), and would really require a serious culture shift on their part to go any further. (Oh, sure, like Steve is going to support old versions and functions he considers inaesthetic just because deprecating them would break your precious business-critical application... Oh, and you want a second source for hardware? Ha, ha, ha. Gentlemen).

However, this isn't a PC, this thing is being marketed as a Video-conferencing thin-client. That is something that Apple could manage with a few relatively trivial software modifications, and the economies of scale provided by their existing consumer hardware product.

They might well not bother; but Cisco's success with this device would be at their power and mere pleasure.

Re:This could easily work (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739436)

Apple's entries into the business PC market are extremely limited

Another example - Let's say you want to put some kind of forms-based data collection application onto an iMaxiPad... How do you get the thing on there? There's been some vague talk of "enterprises" being allowed to put their own apps on an iPad, but it's all very nebulous...

Has Apple sold any iPads so far? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738536)

I don't know anyone who's bought a tablet or an iPad. I'll bet Apple has only sold a few hundred iPads with their proprietary OS and software, all to those fanboys. But I'll bet if Apple used OSS, like maybe some kind of Ubuntu tablet OS, they could probably sell thousands.

This seems likely to go badly, or at least unwell. (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738614)

Unless Citrix has some real aces up their sleeve, this one is exactly as dead in the water as Apple feels like making it, outside of a few big corporations where just repeating "Cisco, cisco, cisco" in a soothing voice makes management's eye's glaze over and fills them with an irresistable urge to sign purchase orders.

The iPad is a relatively mass-market consumer product, based on a weedy little ARM core(very closely shared with another mass-market consumer product they produce). No way will Cisco be beating them on price, unless they are willing to get hammered on margins. Further, it is a general-purpose computer, crippled only as much as Apple wants it to be(for instance, this Cisco thing supports a mouse and keyboard for doing remote desktop/virtual terminal stuff. If Apple felt threatened, they could have deals inked with Citrix and VMware for their thin-client computing protocols, plus RDP and X11 and maybe NX, all rolled up into an app inside a month(App slogan: "Tenfootpole: for when you need to work on a PC; but can't bear to touch one...). I'm guessing that support for bluetooth mice could be added to the present support for bluetooth keyboards in even less time, and made available privately to that app, so as not to slum up the "touch experience". If they were really feeling motivated, they could kick out a full desktop dock accessory(the camera connect kit shows that there is USB host support in there, so it would take about ten minutes to design a dock with a power brick and USB hub, that holds it at the right angle and lets you plug in your mouse, keyboard, and flash drive full of boring work.

Now, there is no evidence that Apple is thus motivated. If they don't find the corporate market interesting or sufficiently profitable, they just won't bother. Even so, announcing that you plan to release a product when your competitor already has a product that is one software update away from being cheaper and better than that product, seems like a rather dubious move. I certainly wouldn't want to be in Cisco's shoes here.

Re:This seems likely to go badly, or at least unwe (2)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738652)

that is one software update away

I would like to see the software update that gives ipads front/back-facing video cameras...

Re:This seems likely to go badly, or at least unwe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739574)

I think you need to start looking at the iPad knockoffs. The top of the line ones are about $300 and run circles around the iPad already as far as performance goes.

Finally something for executives (1)

dilvish_the_damned (167205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738688)

You know when the Man pulls this out he is saying he has very important video conferencing to do.

Hard or soft C? (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738704)

Cius Baltar?

Or Toyota Cius?

Re:Hard or soft C? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739582)

Uh...Baltar's first name is Gaius...

But will it run IOS? (1)

Improv (2467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738808)

User Access Verification

Password:

sparky>enable
Password:
sparky# config term
sparky(config)# interface Gi0/44
sparky(config-if)#

Oh the fun I'd have with my Cisco tablet :)

Re:But will it run IOS? (2, Insightful)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738842)

Which one? Cisco IOS or Apple's iOS? Wait until a year or two from now and you're googling to solve a problem you're having with a switch or router and all you can find is info about iOS. Fun and Hilarity ensue :p

This is what has us excited (2, Informative)

Stone316 (629009) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738860)

Lenovo's new Ideapad which will be out later this year:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/ [engadget.com]

It was supposed to come out about now but they decided to replace the snapdragon OS with Android. I showed this to my manager, the IT staff and we all can't wait for it. Especially now that Android will be on it.

The price is supposed to be around 1K as well.

Wasn't that scrapped? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739666)

I thought the U1 was scrapped [notebooks.com] . Yes they said they were moving forward with Android but I didn't see anything anywhere about that form factor being resurrected.

One big part of why the U1 had that form factor, was that it was really a Windows system and a Linux system - which I personally thought would have made for a pretty awful transition when you detached (nothing against Linux, it's just that the systems were too different to switch to on the fly). Moving to Android means they would not have to go through such contortions, and can build it cleaner based on one OS....

Three most important attributes of a tablet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32738918)

Content, content, and content. Apple has at least a five year head start over anyone else in the tablet market except Google (they only have a three year head start on Google).

Halfway there (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738980)

Their terrible name is already worse than Apple's terrible name, so I'd say it's getting to be competitive even at this early stage.

Good move (1)

kregg (1619907) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738984)

Cisco want to be more than just routing and switching and need to stay relevant with all the new ways/devices which connect to the corporate network/cloud. I think this is a good move for them.

If this device is:

Reasonably Priced
Easy to buy
Easy to use
Gets the tick from Security

then - I want.

Another failure in the making... (4, Insightful)

jht (5006) | more than 4 years ago | (#32738992)

If any of these companies learned anything at all from Apple, they wouldn't be announcing tablets to ship next year. They'd be announcing finished products that will be out this month. You can't build a product and aim at a moving target.

HP Slate with Windows 7? Dead, and HP bought Palm to recover. Lenovo Ideapad? Announced at CES, still not out, supposedly a new OS is coming. Cisco Cius? Looks cool, not out until next year.

iPad? Over 3 million of them shipped so far, they were in users' hands 10 weeks after they were announced, and by the time most of these competitors ship (if they do at all), Apple will have a second release of the shipping OS and may well have a second generation of the hardware out as well.

The only thing Apple's preannounced several months ahead of time in recent years was the original iPhone. For a reason - that froze the smartphone market for almost six months until the first one shipped.

Word to future iPad wannabes: Tell us about it when you're ready to ship. You're not going to freeze the market by announcing 6 months early. People aren't going to say "screw Apple, let's wait for the Cius to make tablets legitimate". You'll only look stupid when you don't ship the same product you announced 6 months ago.

Re:Another failure in the making... (2, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739186)

If any of these companies learned anything from Apple they wouldn't be announcing tablets to ship next year, they'd be announcing something new to ship this month.

Re:Another failure in the making... (1)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739194)

Cisco doesn't care because Cisco isn't competing directly with Apple here. This is a device that fits in with the rest of their VoIP/Video device offerings. I bet a lot of what it can do will also be available for the iPad, when v2 hits with a camera. So you can use the Cius and dock it with a Cisco VoIP phone or load an app on an iPad that you manage yourself.

your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

spaceducky (1758284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739072)

Your buying the brand. There are heaps of other products out there that can do the same or more as a Ipad, that cost less. But people will always buy an Ipad over that because they care more about what others think of You when they see you with one, then what the device will do for them

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739154)

No. I'm buying an experience. I just used my iPad at Cisco Live all day. It worked great..it's exactly what I bought it for. I've owned other tablet devices and they sucked. The current Android offerings do the same. Right now there is no better OVERALL PACKAGE in tablet form than the iPad. Sure, it may not have 8 USB ports or 3 SD slots, but it works really damn well and that's what people want. Geeks want speeds and feeds, users want a tool that just works.

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

spaceducky (1758284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739256)

come's back to the advertisement. apple show their devices in most places so people that see someone with them know what it is and what it can do(and how much it cost them). When they see some one with some weird thing with a touch screen on it they don't really take much notice

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739284)

I'm sure that's the case for some people, but when there are iPads EVERYWHERE amongst 12K network guys at a show like this, that tells you something and it's more than marketing. I have seen exactly one non-iPad tablet in the last 3 days at Cisco Live and that was an older Windows tablet. Poor guy. But if you choose to believe it's all marketing, go for it..but it's not. Same reason I carry an iPhone 4 right now. I looked at the Droid, EVO, and others before I bought this new one. No one had the usability of it. I use my phone and my iPad every single day. I don't care I can't run a web server on it, that's not my use case. I don't care that I have to go through the app store (in most cases), the tradeoff is well worth it.

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

spaceducky (1758284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739528)

I'm not saying your wrong and i'm right...or the other way round. Just stating my opinion... and at the start it would be marketing, i see about 1 ad for another tablet once a month, but i see ipad ads all the time. Also the fact that Apple has had a chance to see what works well on other devices and what didn't work would help them. btw i'm NOT putting down the ipad, i'm going to buy one when there is stock in a city near me so i don't have to get on a plane for 3hours to some where to get one..also i like the app store :) In my OP i was talking more about the original Ipods that apple made more then the ipad... when you saw it you new instantly what it was(thats the case with the ipad aswell..). If the other tablets makers advertised as much as apple you would see more of them. Not going to reply if you do. i'm not disagreeing just posting my opinions.

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739258)

Wrong. You're buying the support system - an OS and a large slate of applications which are tailored to the kind of things that tablet can do well. The iPhone would be useless (and, quite frankly - was) without the applications available. Everybody has some basic apps, but the odd things that make it fun/interesting/useful are what make it a success. The hardware matters little, except to be sure that it doesn't get in the way (good touch screen, enough res for 3", minimal and mostly self-evident buttons, real headphone jack). Heck, even I'll give Jobs a pass on the stupidity of the battery and the speaker location, because - mostly - the device doesn't get in the way. It's the little things that seem to be the coolest, too (like a pitch pipe, really good golf gps, and an HP48gx emulator).

Re:your not buying the ipad when you buy a ipad (1)

spaceducky (1758284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739652)

making points on things i didn't touch on doesn't make you right >.> All the big brands charge more then some random brand even though they will do the same thing and will last just as long. You would rather be seen walking out with a LG tv then with some weird Chinese sounding brand. Same with the ipad. Read the reply's i made before making assumptions. I never said the ipad fails. I'm saying most people care more that others will see they spent $900 on a device then to be seen with a device that no one knows how much it cost them

What about the Network Administration apps? (5, Interesting)

DWMorse (1816016) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739104)

What if they load this sucker up with a special USB-to-RS232 for consoling, and a bunch of Cisco-made apps for plugging into CiscoWorks and other utilities network monitoring, remote management, VPN, and have it support similar 3G data networking?

If they toss one in with every order over $50k of network hardware, I think you'd be seeing these become standard Cisco enterprise management tools. All it has to do is interface with the other stuff Cisco sells, and it completely eliminates my need to haul a 15" laptop around for a console and network access.

Mod parent up (2, Interesting)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739164)

About the only useful comment in the thread so far.

More Android tablets? (1)

saihung (19097) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739162)

There are already dozens and dozens of devices like this one, tablets running android based on ARM processors of various flavors, made by no-name Chinese manufacturers. Why buy from Cisco for $1000 something I can already get, right now, from various made-in-China web sites for a couple of hundred bucks?

Very User Friendly (4, Funny)

marciot (598356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739168)

Cius> enable t
Password:
Cius# conf t
Cius(configure)# addressbook
Cius(configure-addressbook)# phone bob 222-4343
^Z
Cius>dial bob
...

Cius>no dial bob

Re:Very User Friendly (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739246)

You forgot this very important step

# copy running-config startup-config

Not an iPad killer... (4, Insightful)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739176)

This is not an iPad killer. It's not meant to be one. I'm at Cisco Live right now and all the Cisco geeks are wetting themselves over it...but it's not even a competitor to the iPad. It's a niche product to work with Cisco's other technologies. Hospitals are going nuts over the iPad and Cisco wants a play in that market. They want these customers to buy the Cius just like they do Cisco wireless handsets now. Look at the promo pics, it's docked in a Cisco phone.

Different markets.

The app market... (1)

spaceducky (1758284) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739212)

the app's for the ipad will ensure it prevails

Honest to god ... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32739292)

.. some people think everything with four wheels is a Minivan. What a festival of stupid these comments have become.

Carriers? (1)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 4 years ago | (#32739386)

Article has no mention of cellular carriers, which I expected since this news is breaking. I have to wonder if that $1,000 is a subsidized price....
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