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Microsoft Kills the Kin

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the we-hardly-knew-you dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "The Microsoft Kin is dead, or at least it doesn't have a future as a standalone product. Microsoft released a statement suggesting that it's cutting bait on the Windows Phone 7 spinoff and folding the project's staff and technologies into the main body of Windows Phone 7. For now, it seems like Verizon Wireless will continue to sell Kin phones. But with the Kin team essentially disbanded, it's hard to see future updates and support for the line being a priority within Microsoft."

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Not surprising (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32751866)

The Kin can be summed up with the following:

a.) Name was horrible and made no sense.
b.) What was the point of the device again?
c.) Ads were annoying and made no sense

So in essence this is just another typical Microsoft device. le'sigh.

Re:Not surprising (5, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751870)

So this was basically the Zune of phones?

Re:Not surprising (4, Funny)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752068)

YABF - Yet Another Ballmer Flop.

When is the Microsoft board going to get a clue and send him off to pursue "personal interests"?

Then his kids will say "Can we get iPhones now?"

Re:Not surprising (2, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752136)

Don't worry bro, Ballmer got rid of the real problems in the office.

Now that it's "all Ballmer, all the time" it's smooth sailing from here on out.

*sells all Microsoft stock*

Re:Not surprising (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752250)

*sells all Microsoft stock*

Don't forget to sell your stocks in chair manufacturers, too. He's only going to get to do that once, at home, before his wife rips him a new one.

Re:Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752496)

No, after this debacle, Zune is the Kin of media players.

Re:Not surprising (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32751904)

Seriously, they expected people to walk into a store and chose this over, say, the Droid/Milestone or the Palm Pre Plus?

Re:Not surprising (5, Insightful)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752314)

d.) The hardware is ugly as sin. What the hell were they thinking?
e.) Why were they making it a separate OS platform to begin with? Is that just an admission that they couldn't modify any of their existing or in-development mobile platforms enough to accommodate the new features?

Let me be the first (4, Funny)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751868)

What the hell was the Kin? Never heard of it before.

And let me add insult to injury:

(Sent from my iPhone.)

Re:Let me be the first (1)

GeekZilla (398185) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751882)

Beat me to it. WTF is a Kin?

Re:Let me be the first (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752004)

I believe it is a doll that was made as an escort to Barbie. He plays a funny part in Toy Story 3.

Re:Let me be the first (5, Informative)

jaymz2k4 (790806) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751896)

It was microsofts attempt to woo the facebook generation [wired.co.uk]. The fact you have never heard of it probably means the targeted marketing was done competently.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752072)

The fact you have never heard of it probably means the targeted marketing was done competently.

Considering Microsoft's marketing strategies for Zune, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Bing it's more likely that the marketing was not done competently.

It's almost as if Ballmer is employing that failed salesman Gill from the Simpson's to develop their product sale strategies because they all appear desperate, corny, out-dated and un-researched.

Re:Let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752154)

Are you sure that the marketing stretegies for Bing and Windows 7 failed? As far as I can tell the ads are doing well.

I'm in total agreement on the other two, mind you.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752162)

Not ALL of them. The Xbox 360 is really great.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

Sorthum (123064) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752366)

Sure, but look at the platform. It's five years old, and despite its new form factor it hasn't really been updated since release.

I realize they don't want to change things around on game developers, but I'd like to think that we can get better performance today than we could five years ago...

Re:Let me be the first (2, Informative)

mattack2 (1165421) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752400)

You're totally missing at least one point of a console - to have a stable (features-wise) platform so that developers can develop for one thing only.. I realize that things like Kinect break down that stability, too.

Re:Let me be the first (2, Insightful)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752100)

Unfortunately having such a narrow scope you're relying on the whims of a specific subset of society and effectively alienating any possible fringe markets. I doubt this product would have made a dent in any market to be honest, it seems like it was more of an half baked marketing development than anything else. Even if the target market isn't exactly tech savvy, they aren't going to buy into something that's not at the top of it's class. The Kin was far from top of it's class.

As a comment on Engadget said today "a dumbphone with a smartphone pricing plan". Pretty much sums up why MS dumped it.

What does concern me is that MS are doing a lot of big announcements then dumping the designs. The Courier being the most notable of recent years. It seems that with Steve "Chairman" Balmer at the helm they're sailing into stormy waters.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752174)

BTW, what happened to MS Surface? That seemed pretty cool.

Re:Let me be the first (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752230)

The engineers responsible have been sacked.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752328)

It's still "about", they've even demoed a touchless version that uses a transparent LED screen.

Pretty sure it was "released", but only to business.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752492)

They would probably sell you one if you wanted to give them $15-$20,000.

Re:Let me be the first (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752170)

I would have to disagree. As a member of the C64 generation I knew about it. Maybe it was marketed well. The ads looked good but it was a fail for a lot reasons.
1. It wasn't really a smart phone no app store or selection of games.
2. It wasn't a messaging/media phone because you had to have a smart phone data plan.
So for the cost of a Palm WebOS or android phone you could get a Kin. Teenagers my be foolish, lacking in wisdom, and even unable to understand the consequence of their actions but they are not stupid.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752178)

"the targeted marketing was done competently."

But, sadly, in vain. I can't help but wonder what the total cost of developing and introducing products like the Kins was. Announcing their demise within the same month as their introduction seems a strange (and unprofitable) way of doing business.

When the rest of the world is using iPhones and Droids, a "social media-only" phone seemed a strange offering indeed.

Oops. (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752218)

It had 200,000 "fans" on FaceBook [facebook.com] from the very beginning. That's really funny when you consider how many they actually sold. Apparently not all of the FaceBook fans have gotten the word yet that they can stop astroturfing now:

Tommy Marcus: MAN, I WANT THIS PHONE SO BADLY!! ITS BETTER THAN THE IPHONE AND DROID COMBINED!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe Tommy's being sarcastic. Hard to tell.

Re:Oops. (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752336)

in all fairness, if you combined a droid and an iphone by gluing them together (touchscreen to touchscreen), the kin would be better.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752484)

> The fact you have never heard of it probably means
> the targeted marketing was done competently.

The fact that it was killed just WEEKS after introduction probably means the "targeting" was done more competently than the "marketing" was.

Remember in science when you learned about the difference between accuracy and precision and how it was possible to have one, the other, neither, or both? I think it's something like that.

Good (5, Funny)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751880)

It was a 'kin stupid name. I don't know what the 'kin 'ell they were 'kin thinking. 'kin idiots.

Re:Good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32751936)

Kin was another MSFT project that was doomed from the very beginning. Crappy looking phone, bad marketing message, 1/2-hearted attempt to enter a market with far superior products. I'm starting to sense a pattern here...

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752020)

Well, it's part of a pattern. But they're supposed to pump millions into it for close to a decade, in the hopes that the next iteration will hit the ground running.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752234)

The Kin was decent, but as of now, it had no apps, even though they are supposedly forthcoming. Apps are the thing that make or break a platform. Of course, the iPhone is king here, but Android has a very good selection.

There was just no niche for the Kin to grab. Teens/tweens either will be handed a RAZR by their parents, or they will be handed an iPhone or smartphone. Verizon already has the Droid, a flagship smartphone at a decent price, so existing Verizon customers wouldn't upgrade to the Kin series.

I just wonder if Microsoft was trying to make a successor to the Sidekick. The Sidekick was a great and glitzy device... 3-4 years ago. However, the iPhone has taken that market by storm.

Re:Good (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752114)

The marketing was aimed at teens and tweens, a segment that Apple understands but Microsoft, not at all. Supposedly, their next iteration will be aimed at their home turf 30-55 yr old male demographic and will be called 'kin-A!

Re:Good (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752296)

All reasons why it is being diskintinued.

Well, that was fast (4, Interesting)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751884)

I can't think of any other product that Microsoft made that fell out of its graces so quickly. I think even Microsoft Bob got a year in the stores before it was "retired".

Re:Well, that was fast (2, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751924)

Indeed. The quickest "launch to drop" time I'm aware of in the consumer electronics sector was the ill fated Palm Foleo [wikipedia.org]. (May 30, 2007 to September 4,2007). Maybe other slashdotters will recall even less successful products.

Re:Well, that was fast (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752222)

The Kin was released, at least. The Foleo was actually ready-to-ship in production packaging and was cancelled a few weeks before the expected launch.

Re:Well, that was fast (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752242)

That's not the same as the Kin. The Foleo never actually was available for purchase. Palm was smart enough to realize that their product was going to fail late in the development cycle, but before it actually made it to market.

Of course, Microsoft would be the king of this category, except they don't announce that they have decided NOT to proceed with development of product X [where X is announced in an attempt to insert FUD into the marketplace just to kill a product they don't [yet] compete against].

I would list them here, but I'm sure SlashDot has a limit of around 32K for posts...

Re:Well, that was fast (1)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752358)

Okay, I, for all intents and purposes, was living under a rock during this period. Looking back, why wasn't it launched? What was so different about it from the first eee?

Re:Well, that was fast (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752438)

The fact that you had to own a Treo in order to make it work, and it could do basically nothing on its own.

Re:Well, that was fast (1)

atrimtab (247656) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752394)

The Foleo was kind of an iPad with a keyboard. Without the keyboard and a lot more hype it might have worked.

Yes, this is a joke.

Re:Well, that was fast (1)

RMingin (985478) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752426)

I dunno, I think the Courier has it beat. Cancelled before it was released... Or even prototyped... Only announced, just in time to FUD away some iPad sales. Thing is, if they'd waited more before announcing Courier was dead, they would have FUDded away still more iPad sales. As it was, I waffled a little, they canned it, and I bought my iPad. Lousy timing.

hate to be a hater but, (4, Interesting)

Daneurysm (732825) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751888)

...it is rather enjoyable to watch Microsoft these days...I understand that the new boss is probably same as the old boss. But, damn, it's down right fascinating to watch it all unfold.

Re:hate to be a hater but, (2, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751914)

Indeed, it is amusing to watch them squirm and flounder in a market they don't have total dominance over. Watching them swing left and right, outright copying their competitors to try and regain a foothold in a market they got pushed out of. Fortunately, they don't have an incompetent competitor in the market like Sony to leave the door wide open.

I wonder if this is how MS would be if they weren't tops in the OS and Office suite world, would they be lurching left and right trying to find a place?

Re:hate to be a hater but, (4, Insightful)

Daneurysm (732825) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752016)

To be honest, if Microsoft didn't exist until recently I bet they'd be a very innovative and nimble company.

...so much baggage in that company. Think of all of the windows tablets...it was the general consensus that tablets were an answer searching for a question. Someone else made that happen. Think of how long ago Windows phones started appearing. They tried so hard and perhaps succeeded very successfully to maintain their 'windows experience' across these three 3rd cousins platforms...to no avail.

Nearly 2 million Iphone4's sold in a few days time, over 100,000 Android activations a day, "blackberry" is now a verb...Hell, even the great-grandchild of the Palm Pilot made a more significant dent in the market years after schooling Microsoft in a different (but related) market years earlier.

...such interesting times.

What an ugly phone (1)

ndogg (158021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751898)

I hate to say it, but I'm somewhat superficial with my phones. I don't need them to be "beautiful" or anything, but I don't want it to be ugly. This was definitely an ugly phone. I have the Nokia N900, which won't win any beauty contests, but I think it definitely looks nicer than the Kin. I even had an OpenMoko, although I actually think that's a somewhat elegant looking phone.

Roz Ho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32751906)

So...is Roz Ho still driving the ship into the proverbial iceberg? I wish I could fail upwards as well as she does...

But??? But??? (5, Funny)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751916)

How will I know when ?uestlove is having a free concert in the park?

Re:But??? But??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752082)

Well, if you have to ask...

Re:But??? But??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752302)

When you see him sitting in the park with his guitar case open and some change and small bills inside, and a sign around his neck that says, "Anything helps! God bless!", then you will know that he's giving a free concert.

Why did they release it? (4, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751948)

The real question here isn't so much why did they get rid of it -- that's pretty obvious -- but why they released this product in the first place? Is their management really so out of touch they thought this had potential?

Stop laughing, it's a serious mental illness (4, Informative)

straponego (521991) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752008)

They just can't help themselves, especially in mobile. It's like, if they ever stick to a plan for a full year, we'll all know what they're up to! Can't have that. Call it the Sun syndrome...

But on the bright side, one of their employees has come to the conclusion that, in principle anyway, it would be good if their software worked. And was easy to use.

http://www.crn.com/software/225701869

So maybe they'll give that a shot soon.

MOD PARENT UP!! (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752088)

Oh, that link is classic. It's also 100% applicable to the "Linux on the desktop" issue, too.

Re:MOD PARENT UP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752350)

Except Linux on the desktop "Doesn't Work", instead.

Cutting Bait? (4, Insightful)

frostfreek (647009) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751978)

I don't understand fishing metaphors! Seriously. What is that supposed to mean?

Re:Cutting Bait? (4, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752090)

I don't understand fishing metaphors! Seriously. What is that supposed to mean?

I think it's when you realize you just slept with an underage girl (jailbait) and knife her to death so she can't tell anyone about it.

Re:Cutting Bait? (4, Informative)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752120)

When you are fishing, sometimes the line gets snagged on a underground log or weeds. You can struggle for a while trying to get it free, but at some point to get on with fishing you have to cut the line and attach a new hook complete with new bait. Or sometimes your bait just isn't working for the conditions for what ever reason, to switch to new bait, you'd have to cut off the old bait. So basically it means one will be trying over again with a new approach by admitting a previous mistake.

Re:Cutting Bait? (5, Informative)

paiute (550198) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752210)

When you are fishing, sometimes the line gets snagged on a underground log or weeds. You can struggle for a while trying to get it free, but at some point to get on with fishing you have to cut the line and attach a new hook complete with new bait. Or sometimes your bait just isn't working for the conditions for what ever reason, to switch to new bait, you'd have to cut off the old bait. So basically it means one will be trying over again with a new approach by admitting a previous mistake.

I always thought the metaphor of cutting bait was slicing up other fish to use as bait, so cutting bait was preparing to fish as opposed to actually fishing. In that sense, fish or cut bait is a polite equivalent to shit or get off the pot.

Re:Cutting Bait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752236)

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fish-or-cut-bait.html

"Cutting bait is a straightforward literal term, i.e. chopping up bait to attract larger fish."

Re:Cutting Bait? (1)

ThreeGigs (239452) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752402)

"shit or get off the pot"

Wait, I don't understand the shitting metaphor, what's that supposed to mean?

(grin)

Re:Cutting Bait? (1)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752386)

Allow me to make a car analogy for you. When someone farts, you have to roll down your windshield before you run out of gas. Otherwise, your carburetor get sludged up, but not before your treads are too worn down.

Next of Kin? (4, Insightful)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 3 years ago | (#32751996)

That would be Windows Phone 7. Thanks to Android it's likely to meet a similar fate.

Re:Next of Kin? (1)

atrimtab (247656) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752430)

That would be Windows Phone 7. Thanks to Android it's likely to meet a similar fate.

If Microsoft open source most of Windows Phone 7 and licenses it for free to hardware makers it may have a chance. They'd just have find a sweet spot of control like Google has. Otherwise, Windows Phone 7 is already doomed.

Recurring was the death knell (3, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752010)

When I saw the ads I thought the Kin was something that MS did right. I am surprised that they did not succeed. The massive ad campaign should have been enough to make a dent. What I did no realize is that to use the phone the way it is intended, with unlimited texting and such, the recurring billing from Verizon would be well over $100 a month.

This is a phone for kids and young adult. How many of these are able to afford more than $100 a month for a phone. My first mobile phone was $50 a month, and that was when I was working at higher than minimum wage. Sure the ads depict kids with unlimited resources who can afford to take cabs around the city and fly all over the country, but that is like a TV where people with no visible means of income can afford spacious NYC apartments. No one takes it seriously, or maybe they did.

I think this is another case of people worshiping verizon no matter how little sense it makes, thinking that if they can cut a deal they wil automatically become successful. I keep asking if one wants to sell phones to a market that does not already have smart phone saturation, why not go for Cricket or Boost? They could keep the recurring to something a young adult could have a chance of keeping up with.

Re:Recurring was the death knell (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752278)

How are you surprised? What did the Kin do when compared to Android? For about the same price, someone could have gotten an Android phone, lets see here:

Apps, Android has a lot, Kin had none.

Flash, depending on the phone Flash could be possible on the Android phone, it was impossible on the Kin

Browser, I have no doubt that Android's browsers were better than what was on the Kin

Etc.

The only thing that would have saved the Kin would be a reduced price data plan which didn't happen. It wasn't Verizon that was the main problem it was a phone that did less than the comparable Android phones for the same required data plan. Yes, Verizon could have easily helped it work, but it was MS that created such a niche-less device in the first place.

As for the $100 statement, when you figure in all the things it can replace its probably cheaper today to get an "everything" plan than a home phone, cable and internet plan, plus, its a lot more convenient.

Re:Recurring was the death knell (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752490)

Why would you compare a Kin phone's hardware software to an Android phone? The least expensive Android phone still costs 3 times more than the Kin phone. The Kin was not even trying to compete with Android... your arguement makes no sense.

Re:Recurring was the death knell (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752300)

I like the hardware. I think nVidia's Tegra platform is pretty solid. But, without ability to download/run apps, silly games, and the outragerous freaking plan (seriously, $100/month aimed at tweens/teens? no thanks!), they killed it before it even started. Hey, at $50/month, plus $15/month for Zune Pass? I'd be interested and I'm 37 (and male).

I'd be much more interested if someone can root the kin and get a fully working version of Android on it. Again, I like the hardware, I'm just not sure they thought the software/network stack well enough. As much as I'd like to like Verizon, their pricing sucks.

That was fast (1)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752048)

It was only last week that I read a rumor that only about 500 of these things had been sold. Perhaps the kids they were marketing these to have Macs?

Re:That was fast (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752118)

Perhaps the kids they were marketing it to realized that if they were going to have to pay a smartphone data plan they might as well just get a smartphone that actually has apps and a future.

Really, Android phones are cheap these days and even the crappiest of Android phones can do more than Kin can.

this explains the shakeup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752078)

This helps explain the departure of senior execs Robbie Bach and J. Allard from MS a month ago. As far as Ballmer was concerned, the Kin was perhaps the final straw.

Maybe I'm just not in a cutting-edge market... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752108)

... but I've only been seeing ads on TV for the Kin for about 2-3 weeks. And on top of that, only for a Kin on one network. I wouldn't exactly say its been a mass-market item so far; if it appealed to me (which it does not) I would have had to switch networks to use it as I am currently on a GSM network.

I would say if they are killing it already, it died from bad marketing (and bad corporate decisions) as anything.

Re:Maybe I'm just not in a cutting-edge market... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752146)

Bad marketing had nothing to do with it.

The problem was you were paying for a smartphone data plan and for the phone. For the price you were paying for a Kin why not go with Android or a Blackberry?

Microsoft tried to tap a non existent niche and failed. Had they struck a deal with Verizon to get a discounted data plan? Sure, it might have survived, but was there a single thing done right with the Kin when compared to an Android or Blackberry device?

Re:Maybe I'm just not in a cutting-edge market... (4, Insightful)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752204)

... but I've only been seeing ads on TV for the Kin for about 2-3 weeks....

That's the crazy thing... it's only been *on the market* for 2-3 weeks. They basically killed it right away.

Engadget covered this a bit better, but basically through bad project management, they delayed the whole thing by 18 months, and a LOT has changed in the smartphone space in that time. If they had come out with it 18 months ago, it might have made sense.

Now even microsoft is coming out with a new mobile OS, it really doesn't make sense to support two, and Verizon was pretty upset that microsoft delayed it so long, so they didn't give microsoft the low plan pricing they originally planned for.

All in all, it never made sense to anyone, and now its gone. Its like the palm Foleo all over again.

-Taylor

Throw stuff at the wall. . . (3, Interesting)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752112)

until something sticks. That seems to be their current strategy with cell phones, and unfortunately, despite this individual failure, with their money and resources, I have a feeling something will stick eventually. For every Clippy and Bob and ME and Vista there is an XP and 7. Hrmm, okay, no alternative to Clippy and Bob ever took off. But hell, Office is still raking in dough.

Re:Throw stuff at the wall. . . (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752226)

Microsoft seems to be willingly blind to what their users want and what is out there though. It seems to take a financial failure before they will wake up. Simply doing a crap job copying an existing product isn't going to earn you any customers, you have to be better and that is where Microsoft's things fail in most cases. And yes, Office is making MS quite a bit of money, but once word gets out about Google Docs and OOo, the case to use Office keeps on becoming less and less for most users.

I don't see Microsoft making a decent phone anytime soon because it keeps trying to emulate BlackBerry, the iPhone, Android and WebOS and failing at all of them. Microsoft will never get the reliability of BlackBerry OS, Microsoft can never reach the cult-like status of Apple, it can't just decide not to include a major feature like Flash, Multitasking, copy/paste, etc. until a future software update and expect people to buy it, Microsoft can never reach the level of appeal of the Google cloud services nor the openness of a Linux-based OS, and Microsoft will try, but fail to reach the level of ease of use of WebOS just like they tried to copy OS X and failed.

Congratulations, MS: You beat Google again... (1)

No Grand Plan (975972) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752268)

That was an even quicker death than the Nexus One.

Re:Congratulations, MS: You beat Google again... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752316)

You are comparing two different things though, the Nexus One was designed to be a high-end phone untouched by carriers, the Kin was supposed to be a mass-market device, the Nexus One was more of a developer's or power user's plaything, in all honesty, the thing that killed the Nexus One was that cheaper (subsidized) phones started appearing with the same or better specs as the Nexus One. It makes sense to tone down a product designed for high-end use whenever cheaper, higher end products start appearing.

How could you.. (3, Funny)

liber9 (1480479) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752276)

Slashdot, how could you miss the chance for the headline, "Microsoft kills it's Kin"?

Kin or Kinect (1)

richman555 (675100) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752288)

The name Kin is really not much more different than Kinect, I think the same people came up with these names.

So... (0, Redundant)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752330)

Who else read the title and saw 'Microsoft kills own kin'? Thought they started killing their own brothers and sisters for a moment...

About Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752364)

I was really getting sick of the Kin commercials on Hulu.

Nigerian spam (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752392)

Dear Mr Cardholder,
the project kin dies in a accident, that leaved no survivors,
he leaved 3000000 of Australian dollars in Nigerian bank,
to get this we need you to be claimed next of kin. ....

Could have been better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752396)

It would have been less terrible if they didn't force you to get the $30/month data plan. Its not like this thing was a true smart phone. It lacked so many features that a real smart phone has and yet you had to pay monthly as if it was. Maybe it could have found a niche in the lower level data plans at a lower price but i wont shed any tears over it.

FUD (1, Insightful)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 3 years ago | (#32752420)

Isn't it great that MS is creating their OWN FUD these days?

They need a serious shakeup over there.

Attempt at taking over the web with .Net: FAIL

Attempt at killing Flash with Silverlight: FAIL

Attempt at killing the iPod with Zune: FAIL

Attempt at Killing the iPhone with Windows7/Kin: FAIL

I hope IE9 takes HTML5 seriously, because people are no longer afraid to install their own browser. Their assumed dominance could turn into another big FAIL.

At least Active Directory and SQL Server still hold a pretty solid place in many corporations.

Where did they go so wrong?

So what happens to those who signed an agreement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752454)

The Kin was out for only a few months (was it even a month?), so what happens to people who bought these things with a two year agreement with the expectation that Microsoft would support them?

'kin crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32752472)

'kin crap

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