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Plagiarism Inc.

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the cheating-is-easy-money dept.

Businesses 236

Here's an interesting article on the life and times of 24-year-old Jordan Kavoosi, who has made a business of plagiarism. His Essay Writing Company employs writers from across the country, and will deliver a paper on any subject for $23 per page. In addition, his company will get it done in 48 hours, and he guarantees at least a B grade or your money back. From the article: "'Sure it's unethical, but it's just a business,' Kavoosi explains. 'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'"

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Confession (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759422)

I asked Jordan Kavoosi if his business was a scam. If he had failed to pay writers. If his tattoos made him look like a dbag. He sent me a YouTube video response [youtube.com] .

And in case he decides to take down his brilliant acting resumes (complete with sunglasses) like he did with other videos, here are some mirrors [citypages.com] . I ... I teared up during his re-enactment of the ending of 300. Frank Miller would be proud.

Hilarious article though, well done CityPages. I liked the dialogue with the judge and the story of Kavoosi's tattoos at the end. Clear infatuation with himself, I'd avoid.

Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (2, Informative)

gmezero (4448) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759650)

This sounds like a ghost writing service more than plagiarism. Plagiarism is where you steal someone elses work and take credit for it. Highering someone else to write your academic paper is unethical yes, but plagiarism? If it's an original work... no. It is not plagiarism.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (3, Informative)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759696)

Well the claim its your own work, when its the work of somewone else is where its plagarism.

If you're desperate enough to use a service like this, how likely are you to know or care if your work for hire ghost writer is copying from some other PHD candidate's paper that he sold after he graduated?

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759926)

Not really clean on what ghost writing means are you.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (1)

gmezero (4448) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760870)

"A ghostwriter is a professional writer who is paid to write books, articles, stories, reports, or other texts that are officially credited to another person."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostwriter

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760226)

To claim someone else's work as your own, that you paid to commission, is not plagiarism... as the GP said, its Ghostwriting.

Does a company plagiarize your work by claiming ownership when you leave the company? No, that work was commissioned for them, and it is now their work. They are not the author, but they are the owner.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (2, Insightful)

ktappe (747125) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760644)

To claim someone else's work as your own, that you paid to commission, is not plagiarism... as the GP said, its Ghostwriting.

Does a company plagiarize your work by claiming ownership when you leave the company? No, that work was commissioned for them, and it is now their work. They are not the author, but they are the owner.

And just as the post to which you replied said, how do you know these el-cheapo papers are not being plagiarized by the ghostwriters from whom you're purchasing them? It seems very likely they are given the sleaziness of the owner, and considering the price so low and time-turnaround so short, it seems unlikely that that much research could or would actually be performed.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (3, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760698)

It's plagiarism, you're claiming that you wrote the work when you didn't. Most companies don't claim to have written the materials, they only claim to own it by virtue of paying for it. This isn't a matter of ghost writing, this is a matter of paying somebody to write something that you can then pass of as your own to pass a class.

Any guesses what's going to happen to any student that gets caught doing it? Well, there'll be words thrown around like scholastic dishonesty, cheating and expulsion.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (3, Informative)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760604)

It's not plagiarizing if you have permission, which having purchased the paper, you have.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing [merriam-webster.com]

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760800)

Maybe it could be considered both ghost-written and plagiarized.

Like all those "... as told to" auto-biographies, which don't deserve the title "autobiography", but rather "authorized biography".

And for those wondering where the site is: http://payforessay.com/ [payforessay.com]

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760842)

It is not what we usually mean by plaigarism, because the author is compensated, and agrees to, the deceptive attribution. What it is, is simply cheating.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759700)

It's an original work , yes. However it's not your work and you are signing your name to it. Therefore it is a form of plagiarism. Even if the other author gave you the rights to publish it . You can't claim it as your own.

Re:Plagiarism? or Ghost writing? Outsourcing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759990)

Highering someone else to write your academic paper is unethical yes, but plagiarism?

Hiring someone to fix your spelling would be entirely ethical.

Huh... (5, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759462)

I don't think I'd call a strip club or porn shop unethical. By some standards immoral for sure.. but what is the ethical violation of a strip club or porn shop?

The ethical implications of this are pretty direct though. You help someone get credentials which they are not qualified for, they become a civil engineer and end up building a bridge that falls on your head, cause someone wrote the paper on "building bridges that don't fall on people" for them.

Obviously that's a much oversimplified and unlikely scenario. And ethical concerns aside, I think this is hillarious. This guy has some stones!

While I'm on my soapbox, I'd like to say I think it's pretty sad that this kind of service is useful. If education was done properly, or specifically if students were evaluated in a meaningful and practical way, this service would be useful to maybe a handful of smart but lazy students.

Re:Huh... (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759574)

I don't think I'd call a strip club or porn shop unethical. By some standards immoral for sure.. but what is the ethical violation of a strip club or porn shop?

This boils down to a what is the difference between morals and ethics question. I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways, you would need to ask them for specifics though.

Re:Huh... (4, Insightful)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759712)

I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways

What about the wives of men who go to the strip club along with their husbands?

Re:Huh... (1)

Richard Steiner (1585) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760164)

Or go by themselves. :-)

Re:Huh... (2, Funny)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760290)

Men who have both husbands and wives and leave their wives behind when they take their husbands to the stripclubs are the worst sort of immoral douchebags in the world.

Re:Huh... (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760770)

Can someone please tell me the difference between morality and ethics? The OED definition of ethical [oxforddictionaries.com] is "morally correct" (OK it can mean a precription drug [moneyterms.co.uk] as well, but that is clearly not what we mean in this content).

The real moral problem I can see here is that someone argues that it is legal, therefore it is OK even though it is inethical - i.e. do anything you can get away with and stuff the ethics of it.

Re:Huh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760788)

It would be the *men* in question, who went to strip clubs without their wives who would maybe be in the wrong, depending on what kind of strip club it is. The strip clubs themselves however are innocent and what the patron's wives feel doesn't really come into it.

Re:Huh... (1)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 3 years ago | (#32761030)

I think that wives of men that go to strip clubs feel that it is wrong in both ways

I don't think your analogy is correct. Businesses that specifically target married or otherwise attached people [ashleymadison.com] are comparable, but strip clubs aren't. If this were a general research service that people could abuse to get homework done that would be comparable to a stripclub that some men go to and cheat on their significant others.

Re:Huh... (1)

suomynonAyletamitlU (1618513) | more than 3 years ago | (#32761040)

I would say that ethics is a system for accomplishing something specific without causing any problems or complications for you or others, eg, having business ethics is what makes a businessman not screw people over, cause environmental disasters, etc, and medical ethics is similar for the medical profession--confidentiality, be thorough, hippocratic oath, etc.

Morality would be a system that is supposed to* prevent problems and complications no matter where you apply it; don't murder, love thy neighbor, contract law, etc.

(* Success rate may be implementation-specific. Your mileage will vary.)

Unauthorized access to strip clubs and porn might be against marriage ethics (depending on what sort of prior commitments you already have with your partner) and the shops in general may be against your religious ethics, which for many people is the equivalent of morality.**

(** It's not, though. The idea that you may be sent to hell for doing something against your religion does not make it evil, nor does being sent to heaven make something right; you can only say that you will be punished for the one and rewarded for the other.)

Re:Huh... (1)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759766)

Maybe the Plagarism guy needs to make a joint venture with those people who you pay to be good references, with answering services and everything.

Then you go to work for one of those Chinese companies that pays you just to show up and look like a foreigner to show how International they are.

Re:Huh... (1)

snarkh (118018) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759920)

The distinction between ethic and moral is not clear-cut at all.

ethics /ks/ Show Spelled[eth-iks] Show IPA
-plural noun
1.
( used with a singular or plural verb ) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2.
the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3.
moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4.
( usually used with a singular verb ) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethics [reference.com]

Re:Huh... (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760078)

You help someone get credentials which they are not qualified for, they become a civil engineer and end up building a bridge that falls on your head, cause someone wrote the paper on "building bridges that don't fall on people" for them.

Usually courses like that have more stringent tests than just presenting papers written at home.

I think this is more directed at "liberal arts" students, people whose future jobs will be in sales and marketing, if they can ever get anything better than flipping burgers.

Re:Huh... (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760460)

As somebody who is a "liberal arts" major and an engineering major, I figure that a service like this would be more use to the engineering students. I know that the college that awarded me my liberal arts degree (Humanities with English Language) and one of my engineering degrees uses software to check for consistent writing style, and any attempt to use that service on my Humanities degree would have rung alarm bells all over the place. On my engineering degrees, though, essay questions were rare enough that they probably wouldn't have enough sample of somebody's writing style to build a robust case against them if they used this service, and the remaining assignments were pages of calculations which don't seem to carry as clear a stylistic "fingerprint" as essays.

By the way, as well as sales and marketing, I think you'll find quite a few of those liberal arts majors end up in government. Wouldn't it be nice if one could be sure that all of one's MPs, Senators, Congressmen, whatever, were at least competent in their specialist fields? Looking around, I can't help wondering whether the idea of people paying others to do their coursework might have been around for a little longer than Jordan Kavoosi's company.

Re:Huh... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760762)

Yeah, because it's not like science majors ever cheat or have to write research papers. Sure once you start getting towards masters and doctoral level work you can't generally get a way with it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen anyways.

Re:Huh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760186)

Make them answer specific questions about the theme of their work and they'll for sure fail most of them, after that expel them from the university.

Re:Huh... (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760278)

And there are vetting apps to watch submissions for various plaigarism. The sword cuts both ways.

Re:Huh... (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 3 years ago | (#32761042)

True, but those would apparently not work with this service, since an original essay is being written on demand, assuming that the company is not plagiarizing existing work and then selling it. That would be rich.

Re:Huh... (1)

cfulton (543949) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760898)

Here here. Just because you don't agree with the morality of another persons action does not make it unethical or illegal. It is unethical for students to present others work as there own. Just ask any teacher.

Re:Huh... (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760926)

I would lay the unethical implications on the school more than the business. The purpose of writing essays or doing any of homework is to develop the skills taught in the class. No home work or interimim pracitce work should be worth major amounts of point as there is no way to know how did it. For instance, when I was in school many of us would only do a couple problems then copy off everything else. It didn't matter as we learned the methods.

As we promote college as a way to make more money rather than a way to have a better more well rounded life, we shoudl expect people to treat it as a business rather than an opportunity to learn. The question is how do we counteract that force so that college is stil relevant? It simply requires requiring colleges to be ethical and maintain high standards. I can tell you this is hard. One gets a student with a high SAT score, and that student fails, parents will blame the instructor. It is not the indstructor fault the student copied or bought papers and didn't learn anything. It is the parents fault for not instilling ethical values. But if the instructor is blamed, and not allowed to run an ethical class, then bussineses like this will flourish.

If the professor is allowed to run an ethical class then making these companies irrelevant is simple. Mid term and final count 75% of the grade. Done in class, writing done in blue books. Subject of writing is not given prior to the test, or five to ten topics are provided for study, but randomly given to students. Tests are graded very harshly. In the case of writing, graded at the level of a student that has practiced writting one or two essays a week. If the strudents complain, copies of essays have been kept and if a student complains it should be clear that the style does not match.

This is hard to implement, especially when administration wants instructors to do everything to help a student pass, and instructors are blamed for killing a students GPA. But if a instructor is not allowed to teach an ethical class, we can hardly blame the firms that take advantage of it.

Ethical ? (3, Insightful)

alexandre (53) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759474)

And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain when CEO argue like 6 years old ...

Re:Ethical ? (1)

Blenster (1445547) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759584)

Agreed. How are those examples "unethical" in the sens that cheating on school work is? Both seem rather more honest, in my opinion.

Re:Ethical ? (1)

vxice (1690200) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759794)

So the argument was pretty bad, he should have argued "ethics are poorly defined and in most cases are defined in a reactionary manner to absolve yourself of guilt by redefining ethics to fit what you are doing as ethical and what you hate as unethical. How is writing a paper a crime? So the crime is in how the paper is intended to be used, I can't ethically be accused of claiming work that is provided is claimed to mine but not because the student is committing that crime. So for a homework assignment I ask you to turn in a 5 page report detailing how what I am doing is unethical." Although I wouldn't trust him to write that paper because he clearly is not good at philosophical topics.

Re:Ethical ? (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760042)

Good thing CEOs do not do the work. He will have an employee write the paper.

Re:Ethical ? (2, Funny)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759750)

And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain

Quick, buy drain stocks!

Illegal (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759976)

Wire Fraud - 18 USC 1343
Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud - 18 USC 371
RICO - 18 USC 1961

Re:Ethical ? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760152)

And you wonder why capitalism is going down the drain when CEO argue like 6 years old

Perhaps it was somebody else who wrote his argument for him. Does he have a six-years-old employee?

Re:Ethical vs. Moral? (0)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760162)

Strip clubs and porn shops are immoral, not unethical.

But lots of self-proclaimed "moral" people seem to get kind of confused about that... things are either good or bad and black or white.

Re:Ethical vs. Moral? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760808)

Strip clubs are either both or neither. Well, or a shade between those two levels. Moral and ethical are mostly the same thing, the main difference being connotation. The only difference is that people tend to reference religious dogma with morals and philosophical dogma with ethics, but they're essentially the same thing.

Plagarism, Inc. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759512)

Here's an interesting article on the life and times of 24-year-old Jordan Kavoosi who has made a business of plagiarism. His Essay Writing Company employs writers from across the country, and will deliver a paper on any subject for $23 per page. In addition, his company will get it done in 48 hours, and he guarantees at least a "B" grade or your money back. From the article: "'Sure it's unethical, but it's just a business,' Kavoosi explains. 'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'"

Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (5, Funny)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759556)

I wonder if they can write 5 point comments for me?

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (4, Insightful)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759610)

Maybe the comment could be worth 5 points, but at 48 hours turnaround time, you'd never get past a +2 informative even over a long weekend.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

MoriT (1747802) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759618)

If you don't specify, though, they write a 5 Funny comment.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759686)

On second thought, adapting an expression I'd heard quite a few times - "fix your karma before helping others". So my conclusion is that it would be unlikely. Interesting insight though.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759702)

They promise at least a B, but with grade inflation isn't a B now equivalent to a D in my day?

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760076)

You might think so, but not really. There's nothing past A. So while more people might be getting "B" and "A"'s, a "B" is still a "B" and an "A" is still an "A".

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760680)

Grades used to be easy:

90% and up = A
80% and up = B
70% and up = C
60% and up = D
Everything else = F

Now? 50% is an F.
And if you give too many Fs, you'll be sued.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760874)

There's no such thing as grade inflation. It's a myth that just won't die. The closest thing to grade inflation out there is the tendency of what used to be F work to become a C or D grade. But it doesn't affect the B or C grades. What's changed is that teachers have less room to evaluate students than in the past, more of the grades are on a standardized basis and students are expected to do a lot more work than they used to. Consequently, you do see higher grades, but you also see smarter people as well.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

singingjim1 (1070652) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759708)

Probably, but I have a startup that recruits /.ers with moderator points that I pay from people hiring my company to mod down highly rated comments. Find a need and fill it.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759910)

Don't know what your ??? step is, but I hope you're making profit ;-)

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

TitusC3v5 (608284) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760100)

Mod parent up! (sid?dimethylxanthine-940&plagincid?49052)

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (3, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760546)

He's writing the current comment for me. So, don't mod this beyond a C (Score 3) or I'll have to pay.

Re:Yes, but can they fix my Karma? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32761010)

I wonder if they can write 5 point comments for me?

Probably not, but he can make incredibly stupid videos for you .

http://www.youtube.com/user/jordan4604 [youtube.com]

Which is worse - that he made the videos, or that he posted them?

It would seem (5, Insightful)

teflaime (738532) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759608)

that given Mr. Kavoosi's lack of basic vocabulary knowledge, it's a good thing that he hires other people to write the papers he sells. Someone one who doesn't know what the word 'ethical' actually means would probably have a hard time writing papers that use other large words. Unless, perhaps, they were writing papers for business classes...

Re:It would seem (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760502)

Why do you think Mr. Kavoosi even wrote anything that's signed in his name? Cheaper to just have his writers do it.

Unethical is not the word (1)

taustin (171655) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759628)

While strip clubs might well be unethical, from at least some points of view, the word for this is dishonest.

It's no surprise he conflates the two.

Re:Unethical is not the word (1)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759858)

While strip clubs might well be unethical, from at least some points of view, the word for this is dishonest.

Strips clubs are worse than this guy. I met a nice girl there, and she said she liked me... I spent all my money on gifts for her and then it turns out she never really did like me. She broke my heart.

Re:Unethical is not the word (1)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760240)

Ok, strip clubs are not even in contention of being 'unethical'. They are in contention of being 'immoral'. Morality is narrowly construed precepts of right and wrong based on smaller groups while ethics delve in broad ranges.

I hardly see what he is doing as dishonest either. He "honestly" provides a ghostwriting service and backs up it's quality. The people who are dishonest is the students paying for the service to pass the work off as their own.

That's like saying arms-dealers are dishonest, for the only fact that people use those weapons to kill. (They can be dishonest, but for other reasons).

Also you don't have to be good or educated in the business to be a good businessman. Personal quality check goes out the window in that case.

Re:Unethical is not the word (1)

dnahelicase (1594971) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760928)

Is it though? His company is not actually being dishonest. They write a paper, but the student is the one that turns it in. He is simply enabling dishonesty is a more convenient way that used to be possible. You used to have to bum off of classmates or bully someone smarter than you to do it. Now you just simply pay a stranger.

Unethical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759636)

I thought strip clubs were considered "immoral", not "unethical", no?

Sounds like this guy should look up the difference between ethics and morals.

What plagiarism? (4, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759638)

Academic fraud, yes. Unethical, yes. But where's the plagiarism? As far as I can tell the papers are original.

> what about stripclubs or porn shops? Those are unethical...

Not by my ethics.

Re:What plagiarism? (1)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759762)

> But where's the plagiarism? As far as I can tell the papers are original.

Yes, original papers...that people are then buying and passing off as their own work.

Re:What plagiarism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760072)

A possible solution:
Call yourself a small business. Hire the company as a private contractor. Now the small business owns a paper without plagiarism. Of course, if I remember some of my professor's syllabi, there was a clause that disallowed this.

Re:What plagiarism? (1)

sabt-pestnu (967671) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760632)

On the other hand, it's not copyright abuse, given that these papers are created as works-for-hire, with the express intent that they be plagiarized...

His definition of ethics is lousy (1)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759652)

How is a strip club unethical? It may be immoral depending on your view of morality, but it's a legal business that doesn't misrepresent itself. Plagiarism is a lie: it is unethical and probably immoral, depending, again, on your view of morality.

Porn and Strip clubs unethical? (4, Insightful)

sirwired (27582) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759692)

I hope this guy isn't one of their essay writers. Porn shops and strip clubs may be seedy, nasty, and often run by unsavory people, and they most certainly are often run in an unethical manner or carry unethical merchandise (and are not my cup of tea), but the concept of a porn shop or strip club itself is not unethical.

Running a shop whose sole purpose in life is to write papers for students to (unethically) pass off as their own work IS most certainly unethical.

Porn? (1)

thePsychologist (1062886) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759706)

How are porn and strip clubs unethical?

Re:Porn? (2, Informative)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759786)

It depends. If you give them a dollar hoping to see tits, but then you don't see tits, then that is unethical. If, however, they deliver tits as expected, then that is perfectly ethical.
In the case of a reports-for-hire service, it is the customers that are being unethical, not the report writers.

Re:Porn? (4, Funny)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759932)

I guess you could say that the dancers/actresses with fake breasts are committing fraud, but that argument won't hold up without support

Re:Porn? (2, Funny)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759994)

I guess you could say that the dancers/actresses with fake breasts are committing fraud, but that argument won't hold up without support

You've got that backwards; it's the real ones which won't hold up without support.

Strip and porn shops? (1)

HeckRuler (1369601) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759722)

Wait, what's unethical about the sex business?

I mean, sure it traditionally attracts the bottom scum of society, but so does the military, construction work, truckers, bars, the dollar store, goodwills, walmart, tattoos, booze, gambling, etc. etc. Where the lower-class are involved you have to keep an eye our for abuse, as it's so fun and easy to abuse the desperate, but there's nothing inherently unethical about it.

He can be shut down rather easily. (2, Interesting)

blcamp (211756) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759754)

When I was in school, I posted copyright notices on EVERY single paper I ever wrote. That was my way of ensuring no one copied my work and allowed me to defend any potential charge that I may have been a plagiarizer myself.

Texts of term papers posted on other sites (whether university or a forum or by a student) are typically copyrighted works themselves, or represent a portion of one.

DCMA, anyone?

Even a handful of violations can send this guy packing.

Re:He can be shut down rather easily. (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759770)

His company is the copyright holder - he's hiring writers to create papers. Why would he sue himself?

Re:He can be shut down rather easily. (2, Interesting)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760102)

Reading the article suggests that he might try to sue himself, if he thinks he could make some money from it...

Re:He can be shut down rather easily. (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759820)

...except that he is employing ghostwriters who write original material, so he isn’t plagiarizing at all. It is the students who are plagiarizing if they put their name on the paper and turn it in claiming that they wrote it.

Immoral vs unethical (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759774)

Ah Jordan. Spoken like a true third-grade dropout!

Price Has Gone Up (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759802)

In the early 1970s it was just $3.50 a page per Robert Silverberg.

Interestingly I read Dying Inside [wikipedia.org] just last night, and ghost writing class papers is the protagonist's "profession."

Strip clubs and porn shops? EXCUSE me? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32759838)

'I mean, what about strip clubs or porn shops? Those are unethical, and city-approved.'

Well, thank you very much for the ethics lesson then, Mr Puritan! Unfortunately, you're wrong: there is nothing with either strip clubs or porn shops (as long as nobody is being exploited, but that's a given anyway and applies to ALL industries). Your business, however, very much is.

Fuck off.

Garden Variety Narcissist (2, Insightful)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759846)

Justifying his own shitty actions with the "everyone else does it" cliche while enabling his clients to avoid accepting responsibility for their own actions.

Talk about epitomizing everything wrong with the world these days.

The wave of the future (5, Insightful)

jcohen (131471) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759890)

It is possible to foresee an educational model in which ghostwritten papers are sent straight to the outsourced graders, eliminating the inefficiencies that students and educational institutions bring to the process.

Plenty of blame to go around here... (3, Interesting)

sirwired (27582) | more than 3 years ago | (#32759900)

While this scumbag's business is about 100% pure fail, anybody involved deserves exactly what they get.

I am having a hard time mustering up sympathy for his writers that aren't getting paid on time (or at all.) They knew going in that the entire concept was scuzzy, and it should not come as any sort of surprise that the CEO of this fine example of capitalism is himself a little lacking in the ethics department.

Interesting that there aren't any complaints from customers in that article... I wonder if Mr. Scumbag-in-chief actually has sufficient "boss" skills to avoid hiring lazy employees that would produce plagarized product?

SirWired

Re:Plenty of blame to go around here... (1)

vxice (1690200) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760390)

Yeah, once someone claims they got a paper that was failed due to plagiarism he fires the guy that wrote it. And don't be so stuck up about it either. I happen to know every word you have written has been published before. Ever hear of the dictionary?

it's like doping in sports (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760030)

yeah sure, if you take steroids or you bank your blood, you can win the cycling race or hit the balls harder

but why do people watch sports? because of the thrill of identification with the human being in the physical endeavour. but if its not the athlete doing the performance, just some drugs actually performing, then this undermines the basic premise for why sports are appealing to anyone at all in the first place

likewise, if you hire someone to generate your intellectual output, you undermine the very concept of a university education

why do people want to go to university? to broaden their minds, with the knowledge that success or failure at university is a product of your intellectual output. but if instead you cheat, and succeed, at university, then what is destroyed is the notion and validity of higher education itself. it makes the whole endeavour illegitimate and unappealing, like cheating in sports

sports governing bodies and institutions of higher learning are put in mortal danger by cheaters. if they let these cancers grow, they will find that their reason for being is discredited, and no one will go to sporting events or go to college anymore

either its an honest endeavour, or the endeavour ceases to be appealing or attractive to anyone, and fades as less are willing to support the fakery by sitting in stands or toiling for a diploma

so go ahead and support this asshole, if it is your desire to discredit and destroy the notion of a university education

Re:it's like doping in sports (2, Informative)

bdcrazy (817679) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760550)

why do people want to go to university? There were told the piece of paper that is a diploma is worth lots of money. That is the only reason.

good idea bad company (1)

kurtis25 (909650) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760154)

It's not a bad business idea and I'm not sure you can argue what he does is unethical or cheating. The users of the service are cheating but isn't that what sites like bugmenot, mailinator, and others are about short cutting someones system so we can get personal pleasure without sacrifice. TFA seems to be more about a young knuckle head trying to run a business he neither understands nor is able to run. It almost reads like a warning about the future of business.

Comparison fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760198)

If someone is on stage in a strip show, I think we can be sure it's them.

I don't think so. (1)

The Hatchet (1766306) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760298)

Porn shops, strip clubs, neither unethical or immoral. But lying about who you are, faking and cheating you way through life, possibly getting a position you aren't qualified for and putting lives in danger? Fuck no, that is wrong.

ghost-written book (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760304)

"In one case, an author asked Kavoosi's crew to write a book to be published in his own name." I'll take a guess. Was it Sarah Palin?

Also an example of lazy/overworked professors (1)

sirwired (27582) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760456)

Any professor (or TA) that is more than minimally aware of the abilities of their students should be able to spot a ghost-written paper a mile away. The typical student who hires one is lazy and shows no aptitude whatsoever for the subject matter in class. These students can be sussed out with a simple one-on-one meeting asking them to clarify or expand on some of their ideas. If this short meeting was made a major part of the paper's grade, buying a paper would be a lot less useful since it would still require you to master the subject matter.

I've encountered plagiarized stuff in my professional work and it was trivially easy to spot.

SirWired

Re:Also an example of lazy/overworked professors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760886)

It's not all the professors' fault.

I've worked at two schools where the policy was not to make a big deal about cheating or plagiarism--to the point where we were actually told not to do anything about it. I taught a class where about 1/5 of the kids cheated on every assignment, every week. The solutions were verbatim copies with things done in such a way that no undergrad would ever think to do. Even the symbols chosen were spot-on matches. Each week I'd write on the homework, "I know you copied this. Even the obscure Greek symbols you chose match this solution. Please stop cheating." or, "Wow, I've never seen you approach a problem this way on the test before--in fact, you did it the exact same way as on this solution.", trying to shame them.

Not one of them stopped.

The only time anything was ever done about it was when one student was paying another to take exams for him. On one exam, the student being paid accidentally wrote his own name on the exam, realized his mistake and obliterated it from the page, and wrote the other student's name above the destroyed region of the exam. It turns out, however, that by some miracle the copy machine was able to read through the smear and we were able to obtain past examples of the exam-taker's work, and the writing was a spot-on match. When we presented this to the dean, however, he wasn't compelled and asked the student to bring back his past homework assignments. Each one was a beautiful hybrid of the two students' writing, and the dean decided that the case was too ambiguous and since both students denied the accusation that there was nothing we could do. Something didn't sit right about the homework, though.

I walked out of the meeting, then it occurred to me: I hate ball-point pens. The homework assignments the student had brought were graded in ball-point, and I only use felt-tip.

I turned around, took my pen out of my pocket, and said, "I never graded these assignments.", submitting my pen as evidence. The students immediately came clean. One was suspended, the other expelled.

As you can see, universities hate cheating scandals. The attitude the administration has is that they don't want the attention nor the hassle nor the loss of customers. You can come in with mountains of evidence that a student copied or cheated, and they'll take the student's side in all but the most extreme cases. There is nothing I'd like more than to fail everyone who copied from online solutions without a question, but then I'd be getting chewed out by my superiors or maybe even fired.

Children (1)

Kylere (846597) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760466)

You can tell that he is but a child, what kind of repression and ignorance was he raised amidst that caused him to believe his complete lack of honesty and morality can be throw away by attacking businesses with MUCH more integrity than he will ever learn to possess. He must be a christian.

This is the real world works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760526)

I hear BP is gonna need a new Spill Prevention, Control, and Countermeasure plan soon for the gulf coast... maybe he can write it for them. I mean as long as they turn it in to the EPA on time what could possibly go wrong if no one at BP actually knows what it says or why?

You tell 'em, boy... (1)

northernfrights (1653323) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760556)

That's right. As long as there's places for grown men to see naked boobies, I'll be damned if anyone tells me what to do...

Didn't he mean fake boobs in strip clubs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760710)

I'm not sure I agree with the analogy he presents. At a strip club, you're not pretending to be something you're not; you're just paying for a service and the workers are paid for their performance.

yea, this is clear, but what about.... (5, Interesting)

jp102235 (923963) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760794)

ok, so this is unethical,
but lets look at this with more grainularity:
at what point have I reached unethical in the following situations
1. I hire a typist to type my thesis (this is before computers)
2. I hire a graphic artist to draw my figures
3. I hire a presentation firm to do my powerpoint slides (beamer for me please)
4. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) master's students to run my experiments / write code.
5. I 'hire' (read: give the honor of doing my research) phd students to draw conclusions on those experiments

Is the difference between buying an essay and being a research professor that thin? jeesh

Too expensive anyways... (1)

mighty7sd (1233176) | more than 3 years ago | (#32760854)

At $23 per page a standard college level English class could cost over $1000, possibly more than the tuition.

I think this is a great thing... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32760872)

...because it will make sure that lazy students don't ever have the initiative to turn their work ethic around. Thus, when they get to the real world and are found out they won't make it. Since I have very good work ethic I won't have to compete against these bozos (well, not for long anyway).

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