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Unique ID In India Causes 'Fear of the Beast'

timothy posted about 4 years ago | from the seems-fair-enough dept.

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bhagwad writes "India's attempts to tag everyone with an ID number has run into a roadblock is some Christian villages. Apparently the villagers fear they will be associated with the devil since according to the Bible, everyone having the 'mark of the beast' will go to hell. These people are not afraid of punishment. They relish this opportunity to prove their faith because the Bible also proclaims that they will be persecuted."

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Blah (4, Insightful)

religious freak (1005821) | about 4 years ago | (#32759864)

Always good to see uneducated crazies are all over the world. I was worried that it was just the USA. Phew! /sarcasm

Uneducated (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760046)

If you meant that it takes years of indoctrination before a normal human being is willing to let other human beings tag him like an animal, then yes, I suppose these people need more "educating".

They may be wrong about WHY consolidated power is dangerous, but they are absolutely correct that it IS dangerous.

Educated, not crazy and not afraid. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760138)

I believe I am well educated with some extensive study in Eschatology.

The Mark of the Beast is interesting and whether you are Premillennial or Amillennial you can find issues with the Mark of the Beast.

I, personally, am mostly indifferent. Mostly.

Here's where the concern is and will continue to be: buying and selling goods. I must make a living. I must pay my taxes. I'm okay with this. What happens when I won't accept an ID chip in my hand or cell phone?

As a citizen I am no longer "free". I pay my taxes but I can't buy or sell without these shackles?

Once a government is able to completely restrict the buying and selling, the means in which I survive, they have become oppressive and abusive. They must be overthrown.

If you think it doesn't matter or this is an unimportant step then we can Godwin this discussion.

And no, I'm not afraid. I won't bow down to another god or man. If the next President says we must bow down to him or his god(s) I will refuse.

Personally I think Christians (practicing their faith in "loving others") are the best kind of citizen one can have. They follow the just laws, they pay taxes and help their fellow men.

Re:Educated, not crazy and not afraid. (-1, Flamebait)

OYAHHH (322809) | about 4 years ago | (#32760256)

It is truly sad that you have been modded down for your commentary.

You are right on the mark with your analysis!

Re:Educated, not crazy and not afraid. (4, Insightful)

Creedo (548980) | about 4 years ago | (#32760426)

Funny. Where I live(the US Midwest, FYI), the Christians are at the forefront of attacking human rights, demanding that non-believers kowtow to their deranged fantasies and attacking science when they aren't flailing about in fear of the devil driven liberal conspiracy. That's not what I would call being a good citizen.

Re:Educated, not crazy and not afraid. (5, Insightful)

pluther (647209) | about 4 years ago | (#32760664)

Personally I think Christians (practicing their faith in "loving others") are the best kind of citizen one can have. They follow the just laws, they pay taxes and help their fellow men.

Except that they don't. At least, no more than anybody else. Possibly less, actually.

In the US, Christians are about 80% of the population, but over 90% of convicted criminals.

And churches pay no taxes. Those who give money to churches get tax breaks for doing so. Assuming Christians also give to actual charities as much as everybody else does, that would mean they actually pay less taxes.

As for the "Mark of the Beast", we've had this in the US for a very long time now. Every citizen of the U.S. is given a unique ID number at birth. A number which you need in order to get a passport, or drivers license, or credit card. So we're already regulating the buying and selling of property without it. And have been since before most of us here were born.

enjoy the show (3, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about 4 years ago | (#32760156)

I am just sitting back, enjoying the show: religion versus state, no matter who loses, I win.

Re:Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760202)

Yeah, it's a good thing the missionaries and universities got to the rest of the uneducated crazies..

What were the Algonquin, Navajo, Cherokee, Chippewa, Cree, Mohicans and Zuni thinking?

Indoctrination and 'education' are clearly better, as the record of any extinct civilization will attest.

Re:Blah (1, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 4 years ago | (#32760250)

>>>Always good to see uneducated crazies are all over the world.

Always good to see people who are intolerant of Christians. If you can be tolerant of gays, and tolerant of people speaking ideas you disagree with, why can't you be tolerant of Muslims, Jews, and Christians too? They have as much right to "pursue happiness" as anybody else, even if you disagree with their religious philosophy.

Oh and you know what? I agree with the Indian Christians that I don't want to be marked by the "beast", except in their world the beast is the antichrist. In my world the beast is the New Noble Class that has taken over democratic Republics around the world. I feel like Rip Van Winkle - went to sleep in a (mostly) free world and woke-up wearing Serf's clothing. Do this. Don't do that. Buy a Prius. Or else be fined.

It's like we're reliving the fall of the Roman Republic, which was a democracy (100BC), then fell into a dictatorship, and finally feudalism (after 300 AD). Except of course we're repaying karma at a vastly-accelerated rate.

I thought the GP was off the mark (0, Troll)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 4 years ago | (#32760554)

Just as I thought the GP was of the mark, there is the crazy just as he predicted. My and what a beautifull example it is, frotting at the mouth, puffing up his red-neck.

Kinda sad the Illuminati have already tagged this one and fixed him. If he still had his equipment in full functional order he would be far more fierce but sadly this one is doomed to rant and rave impotently.

Re:Blah (5, Insightful)

ragefan (267937) | about 4 years ago | (#32760592)

>>>Always good to see uneducated crazies are all over the world.

Always good to see people who are intolerant of Christians. If you can be tolerant of gays, and tolerant of people speaking ideas you disagree with, why can't you be tolerant of Muslims, Jews, and Christians too? They have as much right to "pursue happiness" as anybody else, even if you disagree with their religious philosophy.

Maybe it's because gays just want to enjoy the same rights that you enjoy; whereas Muslims, Jews and Christians want to remove the rights they feel disagree with their beliefs.

Their right to "pursue happiness" stops when they try to impinges on the rights to pursue happiness by others.

Re:Blah (3, Insightful)

Creedo (548980) | about 4 years ago | (#32760620)

Why would I be tolerant of someone who does not repay the favor? The gays aren't knocking at my door, telling my children that they are going to burn in hell forever. They aren't shooting abortion doctors. They aren't launching suicide attacks on my neighborhood. They aren't polluting science with their fictional delusions. When the theists abandon their irrational bigotry, grow up and stop trying to control their neighbors, they'll be worthy of tolerance.

Re:Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760650)

Funny, I didn't know all gays were required by their gayness to hate straights (or, at a minimum, believe that the vast majority of their life will be spent in a burning pit). Thanks for enlightening me!

Why be tolerant of anyone that isn't tolerant of me?

Re:Blah (1)

rh775 (963558) | about 4 years ago | (#32760264)

when you say uneducated crazies do you mean the people trying to "...tag everyone with an ID number..." or the people who think "...everyone having the 'mark of the beast' will go to hell."?

Re:Blah (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 4 years ago | (#32760280)

It's not education. It's critical thinking.

The least educated can possess it. And the most educated may not (Arthur Conan Doyle being but one example).

Re:Blah (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760568)

What about comments about 1984 and the moral outrage concerning Big Brother? Unique IDs are a great way to track your citizenry, leading to tighter control, stricter regulation, etc etc. Everything the /. crowd is usually against.

Oh, I get it, it doesn't matter because they're religious. Can you see the irony?

Re:Blah (1)

Slugster (635830) | about 4 years ago | (#32760606)

I dunno, is this even a problem?

I mean, has the government tried threatening to send sorcerers to steal their genitals if they don't comply?
~

That's silly... (5, Funny)

painandgreed (692585) | about 4 years ago | (#32759884)

How could they possibly believe that is actually the mark of the beast? Everybody knows those grocery store "loyalty cards" are the real Mark of the Beast!

Re:That's silly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32759950)

How could they possibly believe that is actually the mark of the beast? Everybody knows those grocery store "loyalty cards" are the real Mark of the Beast!

But my ID number is 666... wtf?

Re:That's silly... (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | about 4 years ago | (#32759952)

Everybody knows those grocery store "loyalty cards" are the real Mark of the Beast!

Oh No! I have 6 cards from 6 letters from 6 stores.

Re:That's silly... (5, Interesting)

boristdog (133725) | about 4 years ago | (#32759980)

Everybody knows those grocery store "loyalty cards" are the real Mark of the Beast!

I've always wondered: If you have more than one "loyalty card", does that make you a traitor or just a whore?

Re:That's silly... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#32760106)

yes.

Re:That's silly... (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 4 years ago | (#32760230)

I've always wondered: If you have more than one "loyalty card", does that make you a traitor or just a whore?

Both - you've already whored out your privacy for illusory cheaper prices [nocards.org] with the first card.

Re:That's silly... (4, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | about 4 years ago | (#32760516)

That's why years ago I started using loyalty cards with other people. By my count now we have probably a hundred different people on one card alone.

Other than the supposed savings (they're are an illusion just like you pointed out) you maybe get some savings on Gas. However, there are usually 1 or 2 places in a 100 mile radius that you can get the gas from. So you waste all the time driving there, wear and tear on the vehicle, just to save a few cents on gas that usually does not offset what you lost getting there. Unless you live less than 5 miles away from the super special gas station you can cash in your rewards on, it is just stupid.

In some stores you don't even need your loyalty card either. Enough people complain that they won't purchase the items unless they get the "discount" price that cashiers will just give you a new card on the spot or swipe a card they have with them. I have seen that a lot.

Personally, I enjoy my method a heck of a lot more. The original information on the account is bogus and the demographic information they glean from it must be hilarious.

Re:That's silly... (1)

Chapter80 (926879) | about 4 years ago | (#32760566)

Whored out my privacy?
I traded my card the first day with someone else. So the store has no idea who is buying what!

Pretty clever, eh? While I conduct my normal shopping routine, getting discounts and protecting my privacy, someone else uses my card.
And then the store sends me coupons for more fertilizer and pseudoephedrine!

ha ha the joke's on them!

Re:That's silly... (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | about 4 years ago | (#32760584)

I'd be cautious about getting information about loyalty cards from a website whose purpose it is to deride loyalty cards, and similar systems. It's not like they can realistically conclude that loyalty cards can work.

Re:That's silly... (2, Interesting)

natehoy (1608657) | about 4 years ago | (#32760586)

Yes, I always love seeing my favorite items under a "loyalty card" discount.

Monday: normal price $2.
Tuesday: normal price $5, "ONLY $2.50 with your LOYALTY CARD! WOW!!!! YOU SAVE TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS!!! AREN'T YOU THE SMARTEST HUMAN SINCE EINSTEIN!!!!!"
Wednesday: normal price $2.

Re:That's silly... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 4 years ago | (#32760314)

I get about $1000 cashback from various cards, so I'd say it makes me frugal and budget-consciouos (or a cheapass depending on your view).

Re:That's silly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760508)

I have more than one "loyalty card" for each store, you insensitive clod!

No, seriously, I usually get several of them over time for any store I spend any time in, none of them with my real name or address. Given that most of the loyalty cards around here are only good for discounts on purchases when the card is presented ("Strawberries, marked up artificially by $2 today only, but normal price when you use your loyalty card!") I just have a bunch of them shoved in the glove box of my car. Get to the store, rummage around in glove box for the right loyalty card, and take advantage of the fact that my prices are not being artificially marked up.

What are they going to do, tell me the card is invalid when I get to the front of line with a cart full of groceries? Fine, they'll keep a stock clerk busy trying to put away all the frozen shit before it thaws when I walk out of the store and leave $100 worth of groceries in the cart. Never happened, and I don't think it ever will. No store is that stupid, because most people go along with Big Brother watching them, and for the rest of us we're still buying stuff.

If I have one with my address, every now and then I trade it off with a friend, just to fuck with the stores just a little more. Nothing makes a data miner's head spin more than buying Depends on Monday, baby formula on Tuesday, veggie burgers on Wednesday, and a big thick juicy steak on Thursday.

I do have a few of the "point accumulating" ones like Best Buy and Staples, but I don't buy a lot there anyway, so what data they have they are welcome to. Did I mention that my single-unit home now has several hundred "apartments"? The stores think they do, anyway.

Re:That's silly... (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 4 years ago | (#32760010)

Everything gets accused of being "the mark of the beast" now and then. I work in a local government and the public library is in the same building as us. They had someone in there once who was proclaiming that they were using "the mark of the beast" because they were issuing library cards with unique numbers on them.

Back when I was still attending church I even heard a preacher proclaim that "the government already has the computer NAMED 'The Beast'"!!!?!?!? I sometimes wonder if he was completely off his rocker or if FreeBSD's beasty mascot had somehow confused someone along the chain and it propagated into a computer being named "beast".

Thank you! (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about 4 years ago | (#32760118)

Back when I was still attending church I even heard a preacher proclaim that "the government already has the computer NAMED 'The Beast'"!!!?!?!?

There's an idea for a server name. Maybe I'll name my media server attention_harlot too.

Re:That's silly... (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 4 years ago | (#32760188)

Back when I was still attending church I even heard a preacher proclaim that "the government already has the computer NAMED 'The Beast'"!!!?!?!?

I heard the same on one of those conspiracy radio shows. I think they also found a "666" in there somewhere.

Re:That's silly... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#32760392)

Back when computer shopper magazine was the size of a phonebook, I was waiting in line to buy it at a store. The guy behind me told me: "You shouldn't buy one of those". What crossed through my mind was that I know there are free ways to get hardware reviews and product lists. Then he said: "Computers are the beast". I was sorely tempted to joke: "I know, and that is why I am going to school to be a programmer. I want to be the one to create the beast". But in the end, I decided to say nothing because he was just a crazy old guy and I didn't want to give him a heart attack.

Re:That's silly... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 4 years ago | (#32760394)

Given the context of the Antichrist story is the Bible the mark of the beast is probably not a number, or even a visible mark. Christ marked his followers by baptizing them..... the Antichrist would likely follow a similar ritual.

Re:That's silly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760626)

If saving 3 cents on a gallon of gas is evil, I don't want to be good.

superstitious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32759942)

At first I felt like 'superstitious' in the the article's title was not appropriate. Then I looked up the meaning of superstitious and yup, it's appropriate.

Good! (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 4 years ago | (#32759946)

I really don't care what arbitrary reason they picked. I'm just glad to hear of someone - anyone - standing up and saying that they refuse to be tagged like cattle. Good for you, Indians!

Re:Good! (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32760084)

Oh, so they are printing the ID number on a tag attached to their ear! That explains the revulsion these people have to getting an ID!

Re:Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760388)

You are being deliberately obtuse. His point is a valid one and his example serves accurately to display the fear and uncertainty of these peoples mindset of allowing any large organisation to begin asking "Papers Please!". Surely there is historical precedent for concern here.

Re:Good! (5, Funny)

quietwalker (969769) | about 4 years ago | (#32760136)

Wait, it's india. Wouldn't they relish the chance to be treated like cattle?

Re:Good! (4, Insightful)

corbettw (214229) | about 4 years ago | (#32760274)

These are Christians in India, not Hindus. There's a difference: one believes a magical zombie died so they can live forever but that if they don't follow the zombie's teachings very closely, they'll burn in a lake of fire forever; the other one thinks the stupidest creature on four legs (and also one of the tastiest) is a magical creature that we should all aspire to become in a future life, but in the meantime we should give rats milk and bath in the most polluted river in the world so that when we die we can finally be happy...until we get reborn into a new body and have to be unhappy again.

Bah, bunch of nutters, the lot of them. Why anyone bothers with religion is a mystery to me.

Re:Good! (4, Funny)

wtbname (926051) | about 4 years ago | (#32760524)

We do it for the chicks.

Re:Good! (-1, Flamebait)

Tuan121 (1715852) | about 4 years ago | (#32760140)

I really don't care what arbitrary reason they picked. I'm just glad to hear of someone - anyone - standing up and saying that they refuse to be tagged like cattle. Good for you, Indians!

Wow, you really don't care about the reason they are acting a certain way, as long as it has an outcome you desire?

What kind of morons modded you insightful.

Re:Good! (3, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 years ago | (#32760244)

Agreed, but it is noteworthy that for once religious paranoia, and especially that LSD-induced last part of the bible, has a good effect on the world See "Jesus Camp" for plenty of examples of it being much more annoying and dangerous.

Re:Good! (1)

lastrogue (1773302) | about 4 years ago | (#32760292)

Ideed. I think that the closer we get to micromanaged nations the closure we come to loosing humanity and independence.

Re:Good! (1)

vxice (1690200) | about 4 years ago | (#32760300)

It works both ways. If you want credit for being a good person in the past there has to be some way to id you at least once you expand past a few hundred people. There are benefits to identified, also detractions and you just need to make sure that the benefits outweigh the costs. If they don't well there is no more buying items online, going into stores and only needing a little plastic card to pay and many other benefits.

Re:Good! (2, Funny)

dugjohnson (920519) | about 4 years ago | (#32760332)

You insensitive clod! That's Native Amer....oops. Sorry, My Bad.

Re:Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760402)

What's the difference between a name and a tag like this? Now imagine if no one had names.

Re:Good! (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 4 years ago | (#32760616)

What's the difference between a name and a tag like this?

My parents picked my name, and if I don't like it, I can change it. It doesn't even have to be formal; I can just start introducing myself as Bob Smith from now on. As long as I'm not doing it to commit fraud, that's perfectly OK.

Contrast with the some government functionary doling out the next name on the list: "That's a lovely girl, Ms. JCLF3000527! What's her name?" "KMPT5837520, but we call her '20'."

Kinda a stretch... (1)

jythie (914043) | about 4 years ago | (#32759966)

It seems a bit much to claim that any enumeration is automatically 'the number of the beast'. Even within their own mythos, the idea is that said enumeration is bad because of who is doing it. I guess they must already believe that India's government is ruled by satan? eh... that would not surprise me actually.

Though I have to say, every time I hear a group talk about being ready to be persecuted, it reminds me of the masochist in little shop of horrors... I am not sure it really counts if you go out of your way to misbehave just to get punished. Even SAMs know that.

Gimme that ol' time religion... (0, Troll)

singingjim1 (1070652) | about 4 years ago | (#32759972)

for some really good laughs. Religious people are hilarious....and very very scary.

Re:Gimme that ol' time religion... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760124)

Especially the ones that go *BOOM* in a crowded area!

And all for the unicorn known as virgins ... I don't know if I'd want to die to gain 72 slash-dotters ;-)

Doesn't sound like much of an incentive to me.

Re:Gimme that ol' time religion... (1)

quickpick (1021471) | about 4 years ago | (#32760398)

for some really good laughs. Religious people are hilarious....and very very scary.

An atheist feels fear of being persecuted by the religious. A pious man feels fear of being persecuted by the atheist. Therefore lets agree that people are hilarious and very very scary.

Re:Gimme that ol' time religion... (1)

singingjim1 (1070652) | about 4 years ago | (#32760512)

Fine. But religious people are funnIER and scarIER.

Re:Gimme that ol' time religion... (1)

Paracelcus (151056) | about 4 years ago | (#32760662)

Funny, it wasn't until people became monotheistic that they started "holy" wars, pagans just had wars.

So... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32760028)

Are they tattooing this unique identifier on their foreheads, or on their hands?

Re:So... (1)

DutchUncle (826473) | about 4 years ago | (#32760130)

I had some elder relatives with numbers tattooed on their arms . . . Somehow I think a government issued ID card is not quite the same.

Re:So... (2, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32760272)

Yeah, a government issued ID card sounds exactly like a Social Security Card, something we've had here in the States since 1936. Generally people don't refuse them because you can't get a frickin' job without one.

Re:So... (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | about 4 years ago | (#32760406)

I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one. I met a guy once with such a tattoo on his arm, and we had a very interesting discussion.

Re:So... (1)

jav1231 (539129) | about 4 years ago | (#32760178)

I know Outpost.com preferred the head.

Re:So... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 years ago | (#32760358)

TFA says "The fear of being identified with the 'number of the beast' stems from the Bible's Revelation chapter 13 Verse 17 which says '...and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.'"

So I guess there's plenty of wiggle room even if one is not willing to liberally interpret to the point of believing almost the opposite of what is actually said in that book, which there are plenty of people who do that. "Don't murder" eh? Oh, well they -meant- to add 'unless it's an abortion doctor.'"

Just skip the numbers! (1)

DIplomatic (1759914) | about 4 years ago | (#32760040)

While I wholeheartedly agree that superstitions like this are completely ridiculous, why can't they just skip from number 665 to 667?
It's just like how many buildings skip from floor 12 to 14.
I'm sure someone will complain about how this breaks their Excel spreadsheet or something, but just skip the numbers. It's not hard.

Re:Just skip the numbers! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#32760066)

Because, just like Floor 13 being called Floor 14, you know where the fuck you actually are when you see that big "14" when the elevator doors open.

Re:Just skip the numbers! (1)

quietwalker (969769) | about 4 years ago | (#32760246)

The point isn't one specific number, it's being marked at all.

According to that mythology, you get a choice to receive a mark or not, either on your hand or forehead. If you don't have the mark, people are not allowed to do business with you - you cannot buy food, etc.

The big problem though, is this; before this all happens, 144k jews will be saved (the 'rapture'), and everyone else is pretty much doomed to hell. The choice of having the mark or not doesn't come until later. So, basically if you ever reach the point where you are offered a mark or not, it is already too late for you.

It's all laid out in a most reasonable fashion here; http://www.thebricktestament.com/revelation/ [thebricktestament.com]

Two things... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760050)

As a long-time minister I can tell you two things that are commonly misinterpreted by the nominal Christian crowd.

1. Revelation is almost entirely using symbolic language (it says so in the first paragraph).

2. Nearly everyone goes to hell. Hell is just the state of being dead, nothing more. Even Jesus is spoken of as being in 'hell' when he died.

The 'mark of the beast; is not a literal, physical mark. Rather, it is some kind of behavior or trait associating one with the Devils machinations (i.e. participating (or tacitly approving of) in genocide)

Re:Two things... (1)

off-worlder (1839514) | about 4 years ago | (#32760438)

Funny because I have always felt the same way. Never met anyone with the same viewpoint tho.

Re:Two things... (1)

BigJClark (1226554) | about 4 years ago | (#32760504)


I think therein lies the problem, interpretation.

It's also possible to interpret various phrases of the bible to mean a whole host of things, and the dichotomy of such serves as the fuel to ignite many hatreds.

Close to being idle material. (1)

PBoyUK (1591865) | about 4 years ago | (#32760062)

Is anyone really surprised? Religious people doing something stupid should not be news when the very state of religion itself requires its participants to be wilfully ignorant. Hopefully some day they'll all think their God has granted them the gift of flight, and jump off the nearest cliff.

The Bible Proclaims... (1, Insightful)

iamhigh (1252742) | about 4 years ago | (#32760096)

They relish this opportunity to prove their faith because the Bible also proclaims that they will be persecuted.

It has been my experience, through years of informal religion studies, that the Bible can predict/proclaim/justify just about anything you want it. Thousands of pages of hear-say, from hundreds of authors, many only written after being passed down for generations, just adds up to way too much ambiguity and makes it way to easy to find a sentence or two that can support $my_action. Yes, this is part of what makes religion so dangerous.

Re:The Bible Proclaims... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32760168)

Lot was a hero in the Bible, spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for befriending an angle. Afterwards, while living in a cave, Lot got drunk and got both his daughters pregnant. The message here is clear: God wholeheartedly approves of incest! Especially so if you get drunk first!

Yeah, I think any book that gives people funny ideas should probably be banned...

Re:The Bible Proclaims... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 4 years ago | (#32760318)

Lot was a hero in the Bible, spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for befriending an angle.

Was it acute angle?

Re:The Bible Proclaims... (1)

solafide (845228) | about 4 years ago | (#32760410)

Man, if Lot befriended an angle, he must've been smoking something pretty interesting.

I'm possibly missing your sarcasm here, but many books give many people funny ideas: 1984, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The Complete Guide to Sex Positions, etc. I think a good number of these are useful books (although, here on /., not the last of those in all likelyhood.) and should not be banned.

Re:The Bible Proclaims... (1)

iamhigh (1252742) | about 4 years ago | (#32760574)

Yeah, I think any book that gives people funny ideas should probably be banned

Many books give people funny ideas. The only ones that are dangerous are those that have the backing of an organization and millions of followers that believe (or don't protest) that the book is the infallable "word of God". It is the "Universal Truth" label of the Bible that differentiates it.

And no book should ever be banned. In fact, I encourage everyone to *study* the Bible - you will learn many things.

Re:The Bible Proclaims... (1)

Creedo (548980) | about 4 years ago | (#32760282)

The flexibility and freedom from reality that religion affords is really unparalleled, outside of politics.

Meh, thats a small number. (1)

cyberoidx (1826932) | about 4 years ago | (#32760134)

Just 3000 of them. Pretty small compared to India's population. There's always stupid people around.

POSIX operating systems are sinful (3, Interesting)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 4 years ago | (#32760148)

I had a sysadmin who refused to chmod files to 666 because it was the number of the beast. We didn't have the permission-letter version of the command back then.

Re:POSIX operating systems are sinful (2)

bkpark (1253468) | about 4 years ago | (#32760308)

That sounds completely reasonable, especially the havoc you can expect if you chmod files to 666 in a real multi-user environment.

If you wanted to share files, you would chmod the directory to 1777 (which is good, 7 being a good number).

Re:POSIX operating systems are sinful (4, Informative)

mangu (126918) | about 4 years ago | (#32760330)

I had a sysadmin who refused to chmod files to 666 because it was the number of the beast

Anyhow, you have to agree that he was right, for the wrong reason. Giving read/write permissions to everybody is the number of the stupid, not the number of the beast.

666 isn't the number of the beast. (1)

neoshroom (324937) | about 4 years ago | (#32760382)

The number of the beast is actually 616 [wikipedia.org] . God, as any diligent sysadmin would be, is clearly concerned by the group execute privileges granted by chmod 616.

Re:POSIX operating systems are sinful (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about 4 years ago | (#32760430)

You should have informed him that in reality, the Number of the Beast is actually 616. And really, since 616 is a really stupid way to set up permissions, you'd be all right in pretty much all cases.

Re:POSIX operating systems are sinful (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#32760458)

And god forbid if you ever have to summon a daemon.

Re:POSIX operating systems are sinful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760612)

BOFH in training.

Why do they need IDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760172)

I fail to see why the governmrent (either India, or other) thinks it needs to assign a unique ID to everyone

Oh boy (2, Insightful)

Aboroth (1841308) | about 4 years ago | (#32760196)

Great, another story where the discussion will be flooded with anti-religious posts, with everyone practically foaming at the mouth to condemn people who don't think like they do. Like any of it matters. You are all just yelling into the void for no reason, and doing a big anti-religious circle-jerk as you all congratulate yourselves on how much smarter you are than these people.

At lest that's the picture that I get in my head when I read all of these comments.

Re:Oh boy (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | about 4 years ago | (#32760490)

Precisely. Almost all the geniuses of the past were men of faith. Newton, for example - he was heretical at the time because he was even harder over than his contemporaries.

Re:Oh boy (2, Interesting)

Jawnn (445279) | about 4 years ago | (#32760522)

I see your point. Really, I do, but I must say that I see a distinction here, in most of the posts I've read. I will stand up for anyone's right to believe as they choose, no matter how silly I may consider those beliefs to be. I will furthermore defend those believers' right to live by their beliefs... right up to point where their actions have an undesirable impact on others. Failing to take part in the census counts as such an action. At that point, the believers become instantly deserving of all the derision that can be heaped upon them because now their silly and irrational superstitions actually matter. It is the right, nay, the duty of rational persons to point this out, loudly and repeatedly, for as long as it takes for all of us to finally fucking get it.

Web site of the beast (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 4 years ago | (#32760222)

*insert web site of your government national identification card/taxpayer id card/social security card/birth certificate registration/passport authority/etc web site here*

^^above is satire. No, I don't think government ID numbers are inherently evil. They can be used for evil but they are not evil incarnate.

I wouldn't want one either (1)

boudie2 (1134233) | about 4 years ago | (#32760232)

Like everyone here, I love computers and can see the good in them. I think we could all agree that there is potential for abuse and misuse of them as well. If you're one of those people who never goes near a computer, and I have many friends who know zero, couldn't even turn one on then all you would see is the sinister uses. And I believe that keeping track of every purchase made by every citizen is sinister. The problem is I don't see any way of stopping it from coming about. Quick note to Christians in India, the people who decide these issues are the ones who have the money and they don't actually believe the Bible. They may like to say they do but I'm sure you would agree that actions speak louder than words. Let's hope your number is a lucky one!

Revelation 13:16-17 (1)

tdisalvo (1528465) | about 4 years ago | (#32760268)

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Wait the us already has that. It is called a Social Security #.

I guess this is off-topic but... (1)

divisionbyzero (300681) | about 4 years ago | (#32760408)

These people are not afraid of punishment. They relish this opportunity to prove their faith because the Bible also proclaims that they will be persecuted.

Aren't self-fulfilling prophecies awesome?

Actual Mark of the Beast (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32760440)

The Bible also says that it will be marked on your forehead or hand. Why is it that people remember the whole "Mark of the beast" part, but they forget about the details. It seems like this happens every time some government agency wants to roll out ID numbers. I can't find anywhere in the Bible where God is opposed to ID numbers.

- Derrick

They're right, of course (2, Interesting)

czarangelus (805501) | about 4 years ago | (#32760452)

The dirty, filthy secret is of course that they are right. But the educated buffoons who make up the majority of Slashdot's readership will just use this as an opportunity to pummel anyone they consider "ignorant" in comparison to themselves. Let's get it out of the way, shall we? They're ignorant. Stupid. Illiterate. Backwards. Primitive believes in invisible Sky Daddy Fairy Unicorn. Ahh... there we go.

Now for the seriousness - replacing names with numbers is just one of the many tools governments across the world use to dehumanize their populations. Nothing is more dangerous to a government than free people who consider themselves sovereign entities and treat the edicts of their government with contempt. The government wants to impress you, show off for you, convince you they have all the power and you have none. It is illegal in this country the United States to have a baby and not immediately report that birth. Is it because they care so much about your child and want to make sure it's taken care of? All evidence says no, of course they don't give a damn. They just want to make sure they know who and where this new person is so they can subject them to a lifetime of oppression. From public schooling to mandatory health insurance purchasing to jury duty, the government needs to know you exist so they can make you submit.

These villagers might not be right in their exact theology, but that makes no difference. They correctly recognize that enumerating human beings as if they were any other commodity is a tool of dehumanization that makes life less valuable in the eyes of the paper pushers who decide whether to bomb you or to build you a bridge. It's a tool for treating the human soul as a cost-benefit calculation, as just another thing to be thrown away when it's no longer usefully working.

But of course, they're ignorant and stupid and you are so much infinitely smarter and wiser. That's why you've allowed yourselves to be treated like cattle and sheepherded into any pen the government conceives for you. Keep your protests in a Free Speech Zone and when the government decides to shut down the internet you will have to find someplace else to parade your intellectual superiority.

Summary is self-contradictory (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 4 years ago | (#32760534)

Apparently the villagers fear they will be associated with the devil since according to the Bible, everyone having the 'mark of the beast' will go to hell. These people are not afraid of punishment.

Wait, do they fear they will be sent to hell, or are they not afraid of punishment?

They're doing it wrong (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about 4 years ago | (#32760536)

Doesn't the whole "number of the beast" thing actually refer to it being tattooed onto the back of your neck or something like that? What they're referring to in this news story is just an ID card!

And they're the crazy ones? (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 4 years ago | (#32760538)

Let me make sure I understand. The government of India is issuing unique identification cards to every citizen, which are required by law to buy and sell goods. And we're saying that these 3,000 or so Indians are crazy for not wanting to sign up for that? You don't need the Bible to know that's a bad idea. Has the entire world lost it's mind?

I'm a Christian, but I didn't need that for this.. (1)

thewise1 (955170) | about 4 years ago | (#32760552)

It doesn't take a genius to see the potential for abuse when your overlords can now assign a nice little fingerprint that they own so they can track everything you do. Good for them for resisting - it takes a special kind of person to actually stand up for what you believe in when the price is that high.

There must be something to it... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 4 years ago | (#32760610)

A woman I know [slashdot.org] whose nickname is "Lucy Furr" (a lying, theiving sociopath) and I used to drink together. She'd go to the convience store for a half pint of Canadian Superior rotgot and a six pack of beer, and that bill was $6.66.

But historians will point out that the "number of the beast" referred to the Roman Emperor.

Library barcodes as 666 (1)

mschuyler (197441) | about 4 years ago | (#32760656)

The first library automation system I installed, in about 1982, had us convert from a signature check out system to one using barcodes and had us issue library cards with barcodes on them. We received a very eruditely written letter (Perfect English and grammar) from a gentleman who patiently explained to us that barcodes were the mark of the beast and we were to disassociate his name from any barcodes immediately and he would be checking back to make sure this happened.

Just FYI. The system was made by Geac of Canada. Most code was written in ZOPL (Our Programming Language with a "Z" in front to make it sound cool) It also used Hugo, Ugli, and Glug, a report generator. And root was called "dyna" envisioned as a vast sea which contained 'islands' (sub-directories) and "God Bless all who sail her." That system was history years ago, but it taught me the meaning of the old saying, "I've forgotten more than you will ever know." Only a few people in the world understand the phrase "liberator card."

Anyone here remember Geac?

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