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Swedish Pirate Party To Run Pirate Bay From Parliament

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the criminalizing-dirty-tricks dept.

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rdnetto sends in this clip from TorrentFreak. To pursue these plans the Pirate Party needs to win 4% of the seats in Parliament in an election coming up in September. "After their former hosting provider received an injunction telling it to stop providing bandwidth to The Pirate Bay, the worlds most resilient BitTorrent site switched to a new ISP. That host, the Swedish Pirate Party, made a stand on principle. Now they aim to take things further by running the site from inside the Swedish Parliament. ... The party has announced today that they intend to use part of the Swedish Constitution to further these goals, specifically Parliamentary Immunity from prosecution or lawsuit for things done as part of their political mandate. They intend to push the non-commercial sharing part of their manifesto, by running The Pirate Bay from inside the Parliament, by Members of Parliament."

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A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776094)

Why would the Pirate Party of Sweden do this? Any Swedish citizens want to answer?

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (2, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776160)

Sovereign Immunity? In Sweden is it legal to sue the government for copyright infringement?

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (3, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776532)

The party has announced today that they intend to use part of the Swedish Constitution to further these goals, specifically Parliamentary Immunity from prosecution or lawsuit for things done as part of their political mandate.

Great, I'm moving to Sweden and starting The Real Pirate Party. Our platform will include roaming the seas and capturing merchant ships and this Swedish law will grant us complete immunity from prosecution!

Now we just have to get 4% of the vote but that should be easy because we'll give a portion of the loot in exchange for votes.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (4, Insightful)

PIBM (588930) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776604)

Sadly, unless you are bringing the parliament on your ship, and moving it over the other ship before boarding it, you won't be covered by that loophole as you won't be 'inside' the parliament ..

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776986)

Ok, the example might have been bad but the point still stands. One can imagine all kinds of illegal/immoral/unethical things done 'inside' the parliament as well, with the protection of immunity as long as you can convince 4% of people to support it. If they were doing this in order to illustrate the absurdity of that law, I would applaud them. If they actually intend to use it, then I don't think they are doing themselves any favors.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (4, Insightful)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777312)

Ok, the example might have been bad but the point still stands. One can imagine all kinds of illegal/immoral/unethical things done 'inside' the parliament as well, with the protection of immunity as long as you can convince 4% of people to support it.

Which differs from governmental practice in most countries how exactly? Fraud, bribery, extra marital affairs, Who the hell needs imagination? It's common bloody knowledge!

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776632)

You'll have a hard time getting 4% of the vote without booty to pay them off and doing it would be illegal before you get into parliament. Also, you missed the point entirely in that they have to move the Servers INSIDE parliament for them to be outside of jurisdiction, so unless you plan on pirating from INSIDE the building, your point is moot.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

ccarson (562931) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776732)

You'll have a hard time getting 4% of the vote without booty to pay them off...

Nonsense. Politicians can always be paid off with booty. Prostitution is at the heart of all leader's psyche.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (3, Funny)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776780)

so unless you plan on pirating from INSIDE the building

It worked for the Permanent Assurance.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

LambdaWolf (1561517) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777112)

Good plan. Just make sure that vote-buying is part of your platform too or you'll get prosecuted for that instead of the plundering.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

Unkyjar (1148699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776242)

They do for the booty.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776860)

I seriously believe your quest for booty could have started out better than "I run for the parliament for the pirate party!"

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (2, Interesting)

etnoy (664495) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776274)

If the pirate party came into parliament I (as a Swedish TPB and PP supporter) think the laws will be changed swiftly to make this illegal, just like it happened for Zenon Panoussis [wikipedia.org]. Even stronger forces than the CoS are against TPB.
But I'm glad that they're doing this, at least it's great PR..

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776368)

You expect the Swedish Parliament to give up prosecutorial immunity?

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

etnoy (664495) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776452)

You expect the Swedish Parliament to give up prosecutorial immunity?

I certainly don't hope for it, but in the case I referred to above copyright was put above the constitutional Offentlighetsprincipen [wikipedia.org]. Anything is possible when dealing with pirates, it seems. Thanks to IPRED we now have private entities doing policework and the government spies on our internet traffic thanks to FRA.

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776918)

Anything is possible when dealing with pirates

You mean child porn!

Anything is possible when dealing with child porn!

We can't have child porn lying around in the open. Will someone please think of the children!?!

/ Antipiratbyrån - Thinking of and protecting the Swedish children since 2001!

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (3, Informative)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776976)

As it's in the constitution, not just a normal law, they will have to make the proposition to change it this election period (only a few months left), then have the majority of the parliament vote yes for it the next election period, and then have the parliament the election period after that also vote yes. Not until then it can be changed.

On the other hand, they have ignored the constitution before because Sweden doesn't have a constitutional court, only a "constitution committee" that can only make "recommendations".

Re:A honeypot? Or are they for real? (2, Interesting)

Troed (102527) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776510)

Election coverage. If there's no new being reported on piracy/privacy related issues it will be hard to gather momentum around The Pirate Party in the September national elections.

A Serious Concern (1, Offtopic)

Haffner (1349071) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776130)

Wouldn't this bring up some real issues about the legitimacy of the Swedish government? While I think this is a great (hilarious!) idea, I think this would probably do more harm than good.

Re:A Serious Concern (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776602)

Democracy is democracy. You get the votes, you get the power.

Can you name a democratic country where everything the government does makes sense (eg. "war on drugs" is prevalent in most of the world). Is having the country run by Christians or oil magnates really any more sensible than pirates?

Re:A Serious Concern (1, Funny)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776874)

Is having the country run by Christians or oil magnates really any more sensible than pirates?

Yes. And, as usual, South Park puts it best [imdb.com]:

Super Adventure Club Head Explorer: [Our founder, Phinehas] discovered that children have things called marlocks in their bodies. And when an adult has sex with a child, the marlocks implode, feeding the adult receptive cavity with energy that causes immortality, so saith the ruler of Bethos. Phinehas traveled the world, loving many, many children, and he lived for eternity. Until he was hit by a train in 1892.
Kyle: Do you realize how retarded that sounds?
Super Adventure Club Head Explorer: Is it any more retarded than the idea of God sending his son to die for our sins? Is it any more retarded than Buddha sitting beneath a tree for twenty years?
Stan: Yeah. It's way, way more retarded.

Re:A Serious Concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32777032)

Democracy is democracy except when it's a republic.

Re:A Serious Concern (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777064)

If they do it to avoid prosecution why not take it one step further and just start hosting the items themselves?! Sure we missed out on fiber for everyone but now we've got the chance to get unlimited leech of 0-day warez!!11!!!ONE!!1

Finally people would get their tax payments worth (of bandwidth and storage..)

Way better than paying 2076 SEK / year in TV license [radiotjanst.se]!

Re:A Serious Concern (1)

socz (1057222) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777216)

Sure we missed out on fiber for everyone but now we've got the chance to get unlimited leech of 0-day warez!!11!!!ONE!!1

So the new global language will be Swedish? Where can I download a copy of the Rosetta Stone? Swedish lvl 1 lol

I love it ... (3, Insightful)

electricprof (1410233) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776132)

when the system is used against itself.

Re:I love it ... (5, Informative)

Kijori (897770) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776652)

Unfortunately for them I don't see how this can work. The Swedish Constitution states that:

[...]If, in any other case, a member of the Riksdag is suspected of having committed a criminal act, the relevant rules of law concerning arrest, detention or remand are applied only if he admits guilt or was caught in the act, or the penalty for the offence is imprisonment for two years [or more, I assume; I don't speak Swedish so can't check the translation].

[Chapter 4, Article 8]

Under Swedish law copyright infringement carries a penalty of two years imprisonment, so I don't think they will have any criminal immunity.

The submitter seems to have confused immunity with prosecution and immunity from civil lawsuits; matters carried out as part of a political mandate are only immune from civil lawsuits (the criminal immunity, above, would appear to apply or not apply irrespective of whether the actions were part of a political mandate). What's more, this civil immunity can be waived by a 5/6 majority of those voting - I can't imagine this would be hard to arrange against an unpopular single candidate.

I'm not a Swedish lawyer (believe it or not!) but I hope they've checked with one because they seem to be relying on more protection than they actually have.

Re:I love it ... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776828)

They only want to run the trackers. You know, those things that are like search-engines. No infringement anywhere in sight, except for in the deluded minds of technofobic geriatric judges.

Re:I love it ... (1)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777202)

Here's a better translation (You were right about two or more years, or in the exact wording, "no less than two"): Swedish Constitution [unibe.ch] (You'll have to scroll down to chapter four article eight).

Whoa. (4, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776134)

"They have the biggest balls since balls came to ballstown." -Master Shake, paraphrased

Re:Whoa. (5, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776302)

Actually, that's a really good point. As citizens of industrialized nations, we've witnessed some truly weird and vile shit just in the last decade alone due to the final stages of corporatized political parties. Traditional methods, like letter campaigns, protests and such no longer work as well or at all.

In other words, you have to be big and ballsy these days just to get noticed, let alone get anything done.

Works for me, too. If we're seeing the beginning of "4th gen" politics, then democracy might still have a chance.

Re:Whoa. (4, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776952)

Actually, that's a really good point. As citizens of industrialized nations, we've witnessed some truly weird and vile shit just in the last decade alone due to the final stages of corporatized political parties. Traditional methods, like letter campaigns, protests and such no longer work as well or at all.

We've seen the corporate parties perpetrate some of the most in-your-face anti-democratic agendas imaginable. In the US, for example, (get this) corporations are now considered to be people and to have the same rights of free speech! Overturning a century of legal precedent and two centuries of the framers' intent was nothing to these corporate tools.

It's good to see that there's at least one group of pro-democratic politicians who are willing to do something equally as bold in behalf of the People's interest.

If the Pirate Party can continue to show media savvy, they might be a force to be reckoned with, and not just in Sweden.

Huge brass balls. (5, Insightful)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776142)

The Pirate Party has them.

Re:Huge brass balls. (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776288)

Indeed. Since, the predictable response to this is that the MAFIAA takes over the United States Congress and uses its power to declare war on Sweden.

Re:Huge brass balls. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777128)

Indeed. Since, the predictable response to this is that the MAFIAA takes over the United States Congress and uses its power to declare war on Sweden.

Fine! In general Swedes don't like paying for the military. This is our chance to roll over and let USA take care of us just as Japan do!

Re:Huge brass balls. (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776364)

I could not agree more. I was ready to post something about "Huge Brass Ones" only to find that it's the first post!

Re:Huge brass balls. (3, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776740)

Long story short, they need PR now. Next year the content industry can shut down the Pirate Party as TPB's ISP like they did with the last one and make most people forget it by 2014. So now they're hoping for controversy and press, because the Pirate Party is virtually untouchable from now and until the national election in September. It is highly questionable if running an ISP can be considered a "political activity", but just creating the debate on it is a victory. The downside is that they are again hitting the media almost as the Pirate Bay Party, when they spend the other half of the time telling everybody they're not a single issue party and there's more to their ideology than that. So they're more looking for someone to stomp their brass balls than not, really.

*sniff* (5, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776162)

I'm so proud, it makes me want to cry.

And move to Sweden.

As if Swedish women weren't enough incentive.

Re:*sniff* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776348)

I'm so proud, it makes me want to cry.

And move to Sweden.

As if Swedish women weren't enough incentive.

Can any immigrants or english speaking Swedes here give us a rundown on what it's like to either:

a. Visit your country on vacation

or

b. Move to your country, learn your cool-ass "bork bork" language, and assimilate into your culture?

Thanks in advance.

Re:*sniff* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776558)

Can any immigrants or english speaking Swedes here give us a rundown on what it's like to [m]ove to your country, learn your cool-ass "bork bork" language, and assimilate into your culture?

This enough? [black-frames.net]

Re:*sniff* (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776574)

Almost all swedes are between fluent and capable in English - I'd see no point in learning Swedish even if you moved here.

With regards to culture, it's like California* but (completely) without the nationalism you'd find in the US (sorry for assuming that's where you're currently residing)

*) with some exceptions

Re:*sniff* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776880)

So it is like California but you don't have to learn Swedes (Spanish) to live there.

Re:*sniff* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32777336)

Almost all swedes are between fluent and capable in English - I'd see no point in learning Swedish even if you moved here.

With regards to culture, it's like California* but (completely) without the nationalism you'd find in the US (sorry for assuming that's where you're currently residing)

*) with some exceptions

So we would have to learn Spanish then???

About the language (3, Insightful)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776576)

Peruse this [escapeartist.com] for an idea of what you might be getting yourself into.

Re:About the language (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32777394)

Damn, that was hilarious (Im Swedish btw). And he is right, on every single point except the last one. Compound words are awesome and the English language is much poorer for not having them.

Re:*sniff* (4, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776864)

a. Visit your country on vacation

Wi not try a holiday in Sweden?
See the loveli lakes
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestik moose
A moose once bit my sister

Re:*sniff* (1)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777324)

As a Swedish-speaking American (Living in Finland), I can say that Swedish is an incredibly easy language not unlike old English. I was able to pick it up in about a year. The culture is different enough to shock, but you'll recover, it's really very western.

Re:*sniff* (2, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777384)

Close to all Swedes would be "english speaking", at least partly and most likely quite good at it. Just don't have us actually TALK english :D

A) I have no idea, if you live within the EU just get here? If not then maybe it's more annoying, I have no idea, doubt it's a real problem though.
I think Sweden is considered to have plenty of wild-life compared to most other nations, sure Canada, Russia and Finland may have similar wealth. So if that's your cup of tea ..
Summers are nice, the gulf-stream keep us from being too cold, up in the north you've got the midnight sun in the summer... And most likely complete darkness in the winter ;)
I think our waters are cleaner than many others and (almost) everyone will be able to understand what you say but not all of them may feel comfortable trying to talk back to you.
And finally I hope you like red houses ... You'll be seeing plenty =P, at least if you leave the cities.

B) Still no idea. If you get yourself a work I guess you have to get used to the "leftish" politics and paying more taxes than you're used to. On the other side you don't need any health insurance and you will never pay more than 900 SEK / year for health-care visits and 1800 SEK / year for receipt pharmaceuticals. You will get up to 80% of your salary for around a year if you lose your work and if you manage to totally fuck up your life you'll still get enough money to survive. And if you get in prison I think we had like 1/50 as many people / prison area, or maybe it was 1/15 or something such, doesn't matter much, the climate will be difference than compared to American prisons. You're expected to move your lawn but beyond that we'll let you pass by with most things. If in doubt claim you where drunk ;)

Oh, and we don't socialize at random, or really learn to know our colleges in private. So we need to throw company parties where everyone can become really drunk to "learn to know each-other", at those occasions though you're most likely to get away with anything ..

Enjoy your stay.

Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (1)

therealobsideus (1610557) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776168)

I thought TPB was looking at buying a micronation place of their own like Sealand? Whatever happened to that?

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (3, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776190)

Politicians are cheaper than islands?

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776234)

They still are, it's called SwedJten

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (1)

Improv (2467) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776260)

There are, not surprisingly, not a lot of options when it comes to actual micronations, nor could you really enforce the contract once you've handed over your money except by barrel of a gun (in which case why bother handing over the money in the first place?). Bigger nations easily could (and probably should) squash these micronations when they feel like it.

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (1)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776388)

Bigger nations easily could (and probably should) squash these micronations when they feel like it.

We're right onto that.

--
USA

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (1)

therealobsideus (1610557) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776428)

I disagree, I dream one day to have my own micronation and invite citizens of the world to immigrate to my (truly) free land! If the bigger people squash me, I will cry.

Re:Whatever happened to them buying an island? :P (1)

snadrus (930168) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776540)

Pointless, you still need an ISP connection into another country. Although that's true in Sweden as well, they have not only their own citizens safe, but probably many more multinational ISP connection possibilities.

I'm moving to Sweden (4, Funny)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776204)

I'm moving to Sweden and starting the Hooker Party.

The party supporters will still get screwed, but not in the way usually associated with politics.

Re:I'm moving to Sweden (1)

stms (1132653) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776750)

You don't need to move to Sweden to start a Hooker Party I start them all the time right here in the U.S.

Re:I'm moving to Sweden (5, Funny)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776778)

I'm moving to Sweden and starting the Hooker Party. The party supporters will still get screwed, but not in the way usually associated with politics.

Umm, dude, prostitution is legal in many European countries. Why go through all the work of starting a party when you could just start a "party".

Re:I'm moving to Sweden (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777084)

I was talking to someone about "Freedom". And I ask them what "freedom" do they mean: economic or political.

After looked at me quizzically, I said when it comes to political freedom, Scandinavia tops the World and when it comes to economic "freedom" you have to look towards Asia.

Whenever you look at those lists of political or economic freedom or how easy it is to start a business or whatever other "freedom" benchmark there is, the US is at best in the teens (one being the best).

And it's getting worse. The social conservatives want to regulate how we behave. The social liberals want to regulate how we behave. People and existing businesses want more regulations. Existing businesses love government regulation because it helps keep competition from forming - the big guy has the edge.

what's next? (-1, Flamebait)

nycguy (892403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776220)

I take it someone will start a Pedo Party and claim that sex with minors is part of their political platform.
"I know she's only 13, but this is a matter of political philosophy!"

Re:what's next? (1)

bannable (1605677) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776316)

You're confusing criminal and civil law. Copyright infringement is a tort - an issue of civil law, whereas pedo's are violating criminal law.

Re:what's next? (1)

bannable (1605677) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776342)

Bah, left out half my thought. I believe the immunity applies only to suits brought in civil court, though this is just an educated guess as IANAL.

Re:what's next? (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776550)

Does Sweden have that sort of system, though? Isn't the civil/criminal distinction specific to legal systems based on English Common Law?

In any case, I guess you could theoretically start a Pedo Party, but you'd first have to get elected to Swedish Parliament, and then could only do it within Parliament itself.

Re:what's next? (1)

bannable (1605677) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776584)

Like I said in my next post, IANAL, especially IANASL. Hopefully some helpful Swede comes around and corrects me.

Re:what's next? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776330)

13 is old enough.

Re:what's next? (1)

eastlight_jim (1070084) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776614)

Playing devil's advocate: why not? I'm not advocating paedophilia but the reason that it is illegal in a given jurisdiction is because the inhabitants of that jurisdiction have decided so. If enough people disagree and the society is truly democratic then laws can (and will) be changed. I'm sure that's among the ultimate goals of the Pirate Party here.

Re:what's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776692)

I think the Dutch (or the Belgians - can't remember) beat you to the punch.

Re:what's next? (1)

Marcika (1003625) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776742)

I take it someone will start a Pedo Party and claim that sex with minors is part of their political platform. "I know she's only 13, but this is a matter of political philosophy!"

A German politician (Joerg Tauss [wikipedia.org]) recently tried to use his parlamentary immunity as a defence against CP charges. He couldn't convince his fellow representatives, or the judge for that matter -- so his immunity was stripped by the parliament and he was convicted in court...

CP, like most other felonies, is sufficiently yucky that most politicians wouldn't dare to try to protect one of their ranks against prosecution.

Re:what's next? (3, Interesting)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777044)

If you were in Japan, Spain, or about 20 other countries, 13 would be above the age of consent. Sweden is 15, which is about the worldwide average. Above 16 is the exception.

And regarding the wide pedo-brush that people like to smear these laws with, dangerous pedophiles don't care about consent or laws in general. There's very little correlation, in fact, between state-enforced moral laws and the amount of child rape, sexual abuse, or teen pregnancies. These laws mostly end up turning early-maturing teenagers into "sex offenders" with a life-long criminal record.

So yes, the criminality of under-18s having sex is very much a political issue and not a universal moral constant.

Hypothetical (-1, Flamebait)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776226)

So, if I start a "Get 'em young" party, whose political mandate is to have sex with underage girls, it is legal for me to do that in Sweden, as long as it is done inside the Parliament? Won't somebody think of the children!

Re:Hypothetical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776308)

You seriously think you would get any mandates using that politics??

Sweden is a democracy you know, even the pirateparty needs votes to get inside the doors.

Re:Hypothetical (2, Informative)

m94mni (541438) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776464)

No, as more than 5/6 of parliament surely would override your immunity in this case.

In the TPB case, the illegality of the site is itself under question, and I don't believe 5/6 of parliament would want to override the immunity.

Re:Hypothetical (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776666)

You'd have to get 4% of the people to vote for you, good luck with that.

PS: If it's really your thing there are countries which will oblige you without going through all that hassle.

These guys are some of the coolest on the planet (4, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776338)

It's not the file sharing links.

It's the attitude. They are incredibly cool and fearless.

This is just another step along the way from their lawyer letters.

naive and foolish - perhaps.

Some day they will be crushed.. but it will have been a brilliant arc.

Re:These guys are some of the coolest on the plane (4, Informative)

Troed (102527) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776670)

Don't mistake The Pirate Party for the Pirate Bay.

The latter deals with links. The former is best described as the political branch of the Internet.

Fucking... Brilliant... ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776476)

I really need say no more. This is the awesomeist idea evar.

fago8z (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776514)

beco83 obsessed

Illegal for Americans to buy Swedish votes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32776580)

I'd be willing to chip in a few dollars if there were no consequences.

Law Rests in Brute Force (5, Insightful)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 3 years ago | (#32776642)

Although the Pirate Party may be applying a karate chop type of action in a controversial area it can be pointed out that outfits that want all of this strict copyright type of nonsense rely on the police and their weapons as the ultimate means of enforcement. The political system creates a situation in which the one with the power is just and right. Now the Pirate Party has come up with a clever use of law that trumps the other side completely. Sauce for goose is sauce for gander.

It must be nice (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#32777088)

to live in a country where there is no more urgent worry than being able to fight for the right to piracy....

Stand on Principle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32777346)

I don't understand their thinking. If someone spends a considerable amount of money ($100K, $1million, $400million, whatever) producing a movie or piece of software with the intention of selling it but everyone instead downloads it the result will be:

-The people funding the project will lose their money, possibly sending them to bankruptcy.
-Everyone who worked on the project will likely lose their jobs.
-Investment in the movie/software industry will be reduced and if piracy continues it will ultimately lead to the end of the industry

So, what I'm confused about is what principle they're making a stand on? Do they want to project their fundamental right to screw people out of their money, cost people their jobs and destroy the entertainment industry?

I'm the first to agree that the entertainment industry has a terrible distribution model, but just because you don't like how an industry works doesn't give you the right to break the law. You do have the right to stop consuming the products of that industry until they change their ways. However, if you continue to consume the industries products while at the same time not paying for them you are simply dishonest scum.

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