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Colleges Risk Losing Federal Funding If They Don't Fight Piracy

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the arrr-me-hearties dept.

Piracy 285

crimeandpunishment writes "The US government is making colleges and universities join in the fight against digital piracy by threatening to pull federal funding. Beginning this month, a provision of the Higher Education Opportunity Act of 2008 requires colleges to have plans to combat unauthorized distribution of copyrighted materials on their networks. Colleges that don't do enough could lose their eligibility for federal student aid. 'Their options include taking steps to limit how much bandwidth can be consumed by peer-to-peer networking, monitoring traffic, using a commercial product to reduce or block illegal file sharing or "vigorously" responding to copyright infringement notices from copyright holders.'"

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First? (1, Insightful)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779416)

This is bullshit

Re:First? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779528)

co-sign

Re:First? (4, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779918)

Pretty much. The network belongs to the College and just like any other ISP, if they want to allow downloading they should be able to. The US Government should not be seeking to damage the educational institution, but then the Federal government is filled with tyrannical Oligarchs so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Sovyet Union meet European Union meet United States. Same difference.

Re:First? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780116)

how the hell did RIAA/MPAA get the government involved in this crap??

Seriously, who really cares if either of those organizations disappear off the face of the earth?! The industry wont disappear, people will still make movies/music, but hopefully a better organization will appear in the aftermath.

Re:First? (2, Informative)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780148)

What else? Large bribe.. err "campaign donations".

Re:First? (5, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780526)

Pretty much. The network belongs to the College and just like any other ISP, if they want to allow downloading they should be able to

More than that, they should be considered to be a carrier and to be immune so long as they DON'T do any filtering, and responsible for all traffic originating from their network if they do any filtering. And in fact nothing in this piece of shit^Wlegislation contradicts that :p

Re:First? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780192)

it's also old news.

why are we covering such an old fucking article?

collective bargaining (4, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779430)

All get together and agree to do nothing. Watch as the government doesn't withdraw federal funding for all schools.

Re:collective bargaining (2, Insightful)

24-bit Voxel (672674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779548)

Or more likely, another excuse to raise tuition again.

Re:collective bargaining (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779670)

Thousands and thousands of administrators from the education establishment all over the country unanimously agree to NOT exercise a single photon of power in their individual fiefdoms. goodluckwiththat.

A better method (5, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779684)

Simply and directly pass all the costs off to the students. Tally up what all the hardware and maintenance will cost, the hiring of new staff to deal with it, etc. Make it a distinct line item highlighted in the costs. During orientation let students and parents know why it is there and what it is for, and helpfully provide them with congress critter contact info.

I have a feeling that if parents started getting charged a $100/semester "anti-piracy fee" they'd be none too happy and more than a few would call up and scream at their reps.

Remember that all the payouts and favours and such that Hollywood hands out to politicians are useful to them right up until the public gets mad and it'll cost votes. The second that happens, the politicians will forget all loyalties to them and vote as told, because what they REALLY like are the perks and power that come with being in office.

Special interest groups that toss around lots of money get their way because the money is useful in getting elected and the perks are nice. However they get ignored when public opinion is massively against them.

Re:A better method (1, Redundant)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779964)

$100? More like $1000/semester. I bet some enterprising student (me) would simply download over the phone lines instead.

I for one will be happy when this fucking tyrant chimpanzee George Duh Bush gets out of office.

Oh. Wait.....

Re:A better method (0, Troll)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779970)

*ahem*. Federal funding composes over 90% of the funding for every single university in the nation. What you're proposing would render every school bankrupt as only the children of the obscenely wealthy would be able to afford to pay ten times the tuition they pay now.

Re:A better method (1, Offtopic)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780018)

bleh, um, I misclicked and posted my reply to the wrong post. Curse my touchscreen phone.

Re:A better method (2, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780240)

90%? Your number is suspect, even for state-owned schools. And for private schools the % would be near zero.

Re:A better method (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780014)

your idea has a flaw, we as citizens are not counted in the voting process

sure we can go out and vote, but all that vote does is attempt to sway our local leaders to vote one way or another

but they dont have to, that's how you end up with stuff like "Gore has the popular vote, welcome President Bush"

honestly I still vote, but every time I do I feel like I would have spent my time better if I was jerking off for half a day and hit 4 buttons on the computer, that's all it amounts to anyway

Re:A better method (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780020)

They may not care to go that route and bury it in something generic called a "Tech Fee". The public would be none the wiser since Universities are already dealing with budget issues and don't want to stir the waters to threaten any revenue sources.

Re:A better method (1)

jimboindeutchland (1125659) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780074)

why should ALL students get charged for something that not all students are taking part in?

And why should a college have to choose between either spending money on enforcing someone else's copyrights or losing federal funding. Colleges aren't the only place where this goes on. This won't benefit anyone.

Re:A better method (3, Informative)

soupforare (542403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780266)

"Because we can"? [wikipedia.org] This idea isn't anything new.

Re:collective bargaining (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779686)

Even better: hand them a bill. If a pirated song "costs" $300,000, bill them 1% for preventing this "theft".

Re:collective bargaining (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780516)

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:collective bargaining (0)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779752)

Also, watch while the government doesn't provide any funding to schools to combat piracy.

actually it does (1, Interesting)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779946)

Old budget:

$50M in research grants

New budget:

$1M in research grants,
$49M to be spent first for fighting piracy, and anything left can be spent on research grants, but only if your anti-piracy efforts are successful.

That may not be written down anywhere but it's the de facto "funding formula."

Re:collective bargaining (4, Insightful)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779940)

That bill grants an organization (RIAA) the power to hold the entire nation hostage by denying the USA its entire supply of future skilled labor. Regardless of whether or not it's "legal", this is an act of military aggression against the USA and everyone involved in the creation of that bill, more specifically the rider attached, is a traitor and must face criminal charges.

Re:collective bargaining (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780290)

All get together and agree to do nothing. Watch as the government doesn't withdraw federal funding for all schools.

Watch as the schools turn off the P2P tap.

You think the bloke who pays for the keg believes in free beer?

The government doesn't have to cut funding to all schools. It only has to make examples of a few to demonstrate that it means business.

Re:collective bargaining (2, Insightful)

penix1 (722987) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780500)

There is an easier alternative and one I would take if I were president of a college. Simply not provide students internet access. Let them get it on their own. If a student wants access to the internet in their dorm room, allow the local provider to wire it in. That will take care of this legislation because the network is no longer the college network.

Re:collective bargaining (2, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780518)

A lot of them already did that. I know my alma mater did so years ago to deal with the problem of p2p using up all the bandwidth. They throttled it severely to make the network useful for all the other users.

Re:collective bargaining (-1, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780350)

Yea right...

With some colleges with some form of anti-piracy in place and others with plans already on the plan... Fighting piracy for colleges may actually be a good thing for them.

1. Most college MIS Departments are severally limited in what they are getting in terms of technology saying they need this to fight piracy (and to get a better firewall or redo their antiquated network) Can get the new equipment they needed for decades.

2. Cutting piracy can increase overall bandwidth for the college.

3. Reputation, say they all did do nothing and federal funding withdrew the funds... First we point out the feds and say how they are the bad guys... Then all they need to do is point to the rules that are broken and it will shut-up the general public.

4. Good relations with the Feds. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

5. Piracy is a Bad thing. It is illegal... A bunch of rich kids pirating software just because it will cut into their beer money. I went threw college what was pirated most of the time... Games, Music, Movies. What they pirate the least, Books, Educational resources, and anything else their mom and pop will put up the bill to pay for. Slashdoters try to make piracy as some form of civil disobedience, it is just taking software. And justifying it because of the following lame excuses...
      a. I wouldn't have got the software if it wasn't free anyways... Which has the flaw of what about the stuff that you would have paid for if you couldn't get it for free. Also what about those free Open Source substitutes that are supposed to be so much better then the propriety stuff anyways. Or follow the path of Linus... I couldn't get the software to do what I wanted for a price I wanted to pay so I made it myself.
      b. They are not loosing anything when I pirate. Except that box isn't the most expensive part of the software it was the work of talented IT people (you know those jobs you want to make money in). You think of software in terms of Microsoft... Most software is written in small teams of less then 10 people. After all the expenses they are not making as much as you think.
      c. SOFTWARE SHOULD BE FREE AS IN SPEACH! Fine but the people who published the software didn't agree with you. If you think breaking their wishes for your beliefs means that companies should break the GPL because they don't believe in that license.

6. This rule is about showing valid enforcement not stopping it. There leaves gaps where you can say you are doing your part, without really measuring your success.

Idea-expression divide; out-of-print works (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780540)

I couldn't get the software to do what I wanted for a price I wanted to pay so I made it myself.

That works for computer programs but not for, say, musical works. The judicial interpretation of the idea-expression divide (17 USC 102(b)) differs per medium; non-literal copying is more tolerated for software than for music. Case in point: George Harrison heard a song on the radio, then several years later wrote "My Sweet Lord" and accidentally reused the same hook. The original songwriter sued and won a million-dollar judgment. Is that even avoidable?

lame excuses [...] They are not loosing anything when I pirate.

What does Disney lose when I pirate an out-of-print movie? Or what does Capcom lose when I pirate an out-of-print video game?

This rule is about showing valid enforcement not stopping it.

Would keeping logs of compliance with 17 USC 512 count?

But even doing that can cost alot just for the har (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779432)

But even doing that can cost alot just for the hard where.

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (4, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779484)

But even doing that can cost alot just for the hard where.

The 'hard' is where? And why does it cost so much?

You didn't think you'd walk away from that did ya?

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779664)

But even doing that can cost alot just for the hard where.

The 'hard' is where? And why does it cost so much?

You didn't think you'd walk away from that did ya?

I think the where is hard...I'm confused about the denomination 'alot.'

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779984)

Its' alittle like "a lot"

now that's funny right they're.

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779990)

Seeing all the beautiful women at the Lilith Fair is WHERE I get HARD.

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780352)

In my pants. It costs a lot because im huge.

Re:But even doing that can cost alot just for the (1)

kmcarr (1185785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780260)

...hard where.

hard there.

Well (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779478)

It IS college. You're supposed to learn crap, not leech crap. I learned that the hard way in high school...

What gets me is why people want these crappy new songs and movies and would risk institutions' reputations to reach them.

Re:Well (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779932)

LOL! You modded this guy as troll and he speaks nothing but rationality.

leeching crap at universities (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779976)

My brain leeched a lot of crap in the lecture hall. I had to un-learn it later.

Worse, I paid for the privilege.

Oh wait, I'm confusing the very good college I went to with a certain teacher in K-12 school. My bad. But I'm sure a lot of people leeched crap in post-secondary institution lecture halls.

Do it from home? (1, Insightful)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779554)

You're going to school to study, presumably.

Re:Do it from home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779580)

But the 100mbit connections on the residential network are oh so tempting.

Re:Do it from home? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779910)

100 mbit?
I went to school a while ago and even then 100mbit was a joke for on campus connections.

Re:Do it from home? (4, Insightful)

TDoerner (1837740) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779614)

If you live in a dorm hundreds of miles from your parents, school is home.

Re:Do it from home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779652)

Unless of course you live on campus, and home is school

Re:Do it from home? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779706)

I can actually study while my computer downloads stuff (irregardless of its legality).

Does yours require you to manually copy the bits or something? :)

Re:Do it from home? (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779840)

I can actually study while my computer downloads stuff (irregardless of its legality).

Does yours require you to manually copy the bits or something? :)

How do you keep the punch cards from getting out of order while you're distracted studying?

Re:Do it from home? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780118)

Punch cards? Bah. I upgraded to a Commodore 1541 disk drive - holds about 2500 punchcards on a single disk! :-o

I'd like to get a 1581 with 880k of space but it's too costly for my budget. Think of all the SID tunes I could store on that thing! Probably hundreds of cool songs like Take On Me, Pleasure Principle, Beat It, and so on.

Re:Do it from home? (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779950)

My school doesn't have computers, so I have someone at another university send the pirated movies to me bit by bit via morse code. I then transcribe this onto paper. I then get the art department to decode the bits by hand and draw each frame by hand onto gigantic sheets of paper. We then assemble all of these sheets into a gigantic flip book which we hang on the wall of the student union. We then have the A/V club flip the sheets rapidly while the rest of us watch the "movie". It's a difficult process, and we had a rash of suicides after expending all that effort just to see how crappy The Last Airbender was, but it works pretty well most of the time.

You insensitive clod.

Re:Do it from home? (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780384)

epic!

Dorms (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779866)

On every campus I've been to (though there are ones this is not the case for) network access is provided by the campus through their network. It is non-competitive, you have no option but to use it, 3rd parties are not allowed in.

"won't they ever learn?" (1)

jjoelc (1589361) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779582)

I guess this is the answer to all of those people who always ask "Won't they ever learn?"... Those who can't do.. teach.

Change (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779596)

How is that Change working for ya?

Outsource it! (2, Interesting)

achbed (97139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779608)

As weird as this seems, the use of an external entity by a college or university to run their network might be a bypass to these requirements. The external entity would be responsible for the public computer labs and networks in the dorms, and would operate as a standalone ISP. This would put the network firmly in the hands of DMCA safe harbor provisions.

The school could then operate their own network for teachers and approved research departments (possibly tunneling over the ISP's network between buildings, etc), and would allow the school to put in a firewall between the two networks and wash their hands of this sillyness.

Re:Outsource it! (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779768)

at which point they'll say "we're ot suing you under the DMCA idiots. Safe harbour is not an issue here. just do as you're told or we pull funding"

opportunity? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779666)

seems to me like a lucrative opportunity for delivering some checkmark software solutions at discount price.

Re:opportunity? (1)

BarryJacobsen (526926) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779942)

seems to me like a lucrative opportunity for delivering some checkmark software solutions at discount price.

I've got a state of the art anti-piracy solution. It's $500 per implementation + $0.10 per student. It's a sheet of printed paper with a Yes check box and a no Check box, with the following sentence written above them:
"Will you download things you don't have the copyright to using our network?"
If the student checks Yes, my friend Boris here will punch them in the stomach, and hand them a new form. If they check No, we mind our own fucking business.

Hit us already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779682)

Our university (in South Africa, lets not name names) will disconnect anyone caught using any "peer to peer"* software.

* I'm not implying that the IT department actually KNOWS that p2p != file sharing.

Does that include sneakernet? (2, Interesting)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780004)

My shoes are soft and I wear them, and I can carry a lot of data quickly if it's in a box full of 1TB hard drives.

Oh, and yes, what passes for a Xerox machine [wikipedia.org] in my dorm really does have two drive connections and a "push to copy" button.

*the above is fictitious but it is based on what really could happen

Actually (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779690)

In all fairness, they only have to come up with a PLAN to combat piracy. There are no performance targets to meet as to whether or not the plan will actually DO anything. Just another lip service campaign.

Re:Actually (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779792)

There are no performance targets to meet as to whether or not the plan will actually DO anything. Just another lip service campaign.

There are no performance targets yet. These RIAA/MPAA knows enough to force change in small steps.
Eventually they will require/force all institutions to use some kind of music subscription service that
'rents' you the media as long as you keep paying. Then they'll be required to get a certain percentage
subscribed to this which will force them to include it as part of the tuition fee. Within 10 years you'll
have a generation of people having kids who 'expect' music to cost money per listen.

Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (1, Troll)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779696)

I can't wait for the day when the government is allowed to regulate internet traffic through "net neutrality" legislation. I'm sure the RIAA and MPAA won't lobby politicians to police torrent traffic. Governments are never corrupt! Nothing could possibly go wrong, and this story isn't a shining example of the government's surplus of power.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (3, Insightful)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779746)

Proper net neutrality regulation should essentially be:

"An ISP may not prioritize or de-prioritize network traffic based upon either its source or its destination".

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779846)

Unfortunately, we can't pass bills under 100 pages these days.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779916)

Ammendment to bill:

17854.3(a) Said ISP must block all unauthorized torrent traffic.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780202)

17854.3(a) Said ISP must block all unauthorized torrent traffic.

Enjoy encrypted torrents on ports 80 and 443.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (2, Insightful)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779818)

why would they need net neutrality legislation?

If done right any such legislation would have no such requirement but if they're intent on taking control they'll just stick it into some legislation on phone lines or at the back of something aimed at the postoffice but phrased broadly enough to give them control over the net and other forms of communcation as well.

there's nothing wrong with actual net neutrality.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779908)

Yeah, because phone neutrality (read: Common Carrier), is clearly being abused in similar manners right now.

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (0)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780210)

You never heard of wire tapping without warrant? And then arresting people based upon their phone conversations (badspeak and wrongthought).

Re:Aren't you guys excited for net neutrality? (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780412)

These are hardly consequences of common carrier laws.

hilarious (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780038)

you libertarian idiots would be good comic relief if you weren't so dangerously serious with your stupidity

yes: corporations corrupt the government, just as you say

therefore, the job is to remove the corruption from the government, so THE ONLY TOOL YOU HAVE AGAINST CORPORATIONS works better for you. see how that works?

but no. you libertarian retards want to DESTROY government, thereby freeing corporations up from pesky regulations, and able to rape your rights even more than they already do. wtf?

look at your comment, look at your OWN stupid comment: you KNOW that the source of the problem here is a CORPORATE ENTITY. you say so yourself. you see the RIAA and the MPAA puling the strings. you KNOW them to be the source of the problem. you see the corporate entity infecting the government

yet instead of seeing this problem as what it is: an obvious example of corporations abusing power, somehow, magically, in your mind, it becomes an example of GOVERNMENT abuse

HOW DOES THAT WORK IN YOUR DIMWITTED MIND?!

and so you labor to REMOVE THE ONLY ENTITY THAT CAN PROTECT YOU FROM THE CORPORATE ABUSES YOU YOURSELF PERCEIVE

how the FUCK does that happen inside your head?

fact, solid rock of gibraltar fact: if you remove government power, the vacuum is replaced by corporations. an entity that you have no recourse to control and is not beholden to you in any way

fact, solid rock of gibraltar fact: every abuse you see governments doing that you dislike, if the government is whittled down libertarian morons, then the SAME abuses will continue to be committed, but by corporations instead. you do see that simple obvious truth, right?

and then add to that list of abuses you dislike a whole new list of abuses an unregulated, unrestrained corporate entity is now free and happy to inflict on you in their quest for profit at any cost to your liberties

that's the truth. that really is truth

why the FUCK can't you libertarian retards see that?

Re:hilarious (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780094)

Rant Much?

Regulation is also often used by large corporations to keep small businesses out of the marketplace and in this case large business is using regulations to force universities to become the net police.

Large corporations love regulations, it keeps other players out of the game.

that is 100% true! (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780288)

so we need BETTER REGULATIONS

because NO REGULATIONS IS FAR worse

seriously, how stupid can you twatstains be?

do you NOT see that NO regulations means corporations do anything they want?

if you remove government power, can you not see that corporations take over the power vacuum?

why the FUCK can't you see that!!!???

Three Words: (1)

PiAndWhippedCream (1566727) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779732)

Not Bloody Likely. Motivated students, and trust me they ARE motivated, are far more effective than the MAFIAA leaning on the government leaning on schools.

Re:Three Words: (2, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780410)

Not Bloody Likely. Motivated students, and trust me they ARE motivated, are far more effective than the MAFIAA leaning on the government leaning on schools.

The students may be motivated. But their tuition is subsidized - their school is subsidized - and the Bank of Mom and Dad is overdrawn - and its back to flipping burgers at McDonalds.

Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779736)

I'm currently enrolled in a small technical university in the Southeast. A couple months ago, the entire student body was sent an email from the IT department saying that due to external pressures, the school would be complying completely with any requests for information concerning pirating, with groups such as the RIAA being the ones requesting.

We were never given an actual reason for the new policies, reporting, and data collection (the IT department would now be tracking and recording all P2P traffic on school networks), but there was certainly speculation about something like this.

My computer ethics course became much more interesting that semester.

It's really not that bad... (3, Informative)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779738)

I'd simply pick the "or" option...

"or "vigorously" responding to copyright infringement notices from copyright holders.'"

That's already required by the DMCA... seems like this is pretty easy to me... (pick the "or" option).

So... (1)

JockTroll (996521) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779788)

... Once upon a time they drilled into our heads the concept that one cannot take justice in his own hands or do what is the police's business. Now everybody is expected to be an unpaid and unbadged cop in service of the almighty corporations. We're expected to serve the interests of the media mafia, or else.

Well, if they want to pay mafioso, it's a multiplayer game. Once their mighty corporate heads start getting targeted, they might want to change their tune.

Capisce?

How are they going to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779808)

So all a college has to do is tell the government they are fighting piracy and all is well. I doubt the government has anybody who would be able to prove that they are not fighting piracy. This is the same government that let Madolff run a multi billion dollar ponzi scheme for years because the SEC didn't have people who understand how the economy works.

Colleges are easy targets (2, Interesting)

murpium (1310525) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779816)

Recent grad here. Our university has a closed network where each person has a unique IP. All the MPAA has to do is send the college an e-mail about it and your access is shut down and you have to write this really long letter about how sorry you are that you did that before they turn your internet back on again. Sometimes that's not enough. Apparently for a while RIAA was having some kids settling out of court for thousands of dollars. The MPAA and RIAA know colleges are an easy target because they have a much higher success rate of finding out exactly who was on the other end of that torrent.

Spin off dorm internet? (2, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779870)

I see college campuses spinning off dormitories to legally independent entities, and not allowing them on the wired campus Internet or allowing official hot-spots in the dorms to be on the campus network.

Access to campus resources would be through VPN.

Then if the campus network didn't "properly" follow the rules the college would be off the hook.

The ultimate end-game of this strategy is to sell all dormitory buildings to private investors. No court in the land would hold colleges responsible if private building-owners who happened to offer building-wide network connectivity didn't follow rules that only apply to schools.

Plan B is to yank campus communications entirely from dorms and treat them like apartments, making each dorm room or student contract with a 3rd party provider for such utilities if they want them.

Shameful Business as Usual (5, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779884)

Looking over this largely beneficial legislation, sponsored by all Democrats, it is shameful to see this turd hidden in the fine print of section 493. This is not an amendment slipped in at the last moment. This was by design from the beginning, so kudos to the Ds for upholding the tradition of congress being corporate tools.

I am not surprised, but severely depressed that there is such a soulless and unethical disregard for the well being of this country by all of congress.

Insulting (1, Flamebait)

gearloos (816828) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779936)

Why is it the responsibility of the schools to stop piracy? Why does the government not have sufficient people put in place yet (after like 17 years of the internet) to do real cyber crime investigation? Coming from an engineering background I saw this as an issue many, MANY, years ago. As a side note I recently had a credit card opened in my name and some other stuff done. You want to know what the detective from the local PD did? - nothing!, he took a report and told me I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE FTC WEBSITE AND FILE A REPORT--IF I WANTED TO. And thanks to this government for all the help in these spammers - which in any other venue would be outright fraud. People trying right out in the open, to steal from you by deception.

Whose responsibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32779954)

So the government / schools have to pay for what's the copyright holder's responsibility?

Fuck them.

Why do the RIAA and MPAA get federal assistance? (4, Insightful)

kenrblan (1388237) | more than 4 years ago | (#32779998)

By essentially requiring universities to perform the investigation, response, or protection against piracy, the RIAA and MPAA are receiving a government supplied subsidy. If a thief stole a diamond ring and passed it to a friend who resided in a college dorm, would the jeweler ask the University Housing department to handle the investigation? Shouldn't they be entitled to the same assistance from the federal government? From actual university work experience, the RIAA is a royal pain in the rear. They issue notices and expect the university to determine who broke the law. They expect this service without providing adequate information in many cases. Most universities don't have the human or budgetary resources to spare for this pointless endeavor. There should be a clause in the law to allow the colleges to bill the RIAA/MPAA for time spent on investigative services. At $100 per hour, they might decide it's not worth going after the kid who downloaded Britney Spears latest craptacular single to listen once and then delete it forever.

once again. from the top. (1)

Flowstone (1638793) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780016)

When the weather changes, we don't intimidate mother nature with the threat of nuclear apocalypse to get it to change... we adapt to the situation and find new ways to flourish.
whats happened here is the old corporate imbeciles are so accustomed to using lawyers as a "immune response" to the "plague of piracy" that they really think the law is their panacea to every matter that affects their income.
what happens when the sun flares up and takes out thousands of servers and infrastructure? are we just going to sue the damn sun for damages?
the moral of the story here is like any dolt they're now resorting to bullying their way around to get an answer to the "problem".
And when it comes to piracy, students are the most abundant case overall. a large (more than most care to think) part of it is from the fact that students on average don't even have an income! If they magically cut off the ability to torrent anything illegal over the network, the student masses would simply adapt and find a way to transfer stuff without the network. Waste of time and a sad attempt at a resolution if there ever is one.

What do they want to acchieve? (1)

uffe_nordholm (1187961) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780048)

I may be a bit off here, but I will guess that this move, if it becomes a reality for most, it will have the effect of teaching students how to use encrypted file-sharing protocols. The reason is simple: as a student you don't have much moeny, but plenty of time and lots of friends with the right knowledge. Add it all up and it can really only be one thing...

\First!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780050)

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This is wrong (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780142)

It is criminal that any one industry can withhold education as they see fit.

The idea that Jane or Jack can't get engineering degrees because somebody downloads Battlefield Earth from a torrent site is disgusting.

I'm a liberal, but I hate how so many Democrats are fully in with the entertainment industry lobbyists. It is disgusting.

Re:This is wrong (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780444)

If you dont like how the RIAA controls your government perhaps YOU should donate $100mil to their campaign fund too!

Indentured servitude via blackmail. Interesting! (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780152)

It's a simple enough proposition. The government directs you to provide free resources and labor in the form of software security enforcement to the for-profit organization we designate or we cut off your education funding.

What could be the problem with that?

A great business model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780172)

I wish I could start a (questionably legal) racketeering company, then offload all the work onto the government, who in turn demands all these colleges work for me as well. Oh, and foreign governments must join in as well, because USA is #1 and they'll do anything to be on our side.

I'm drafting my business model right now...
1. Convince people they need my service and exploit the shit out of them
2. Hire an army of lawyers
3. Buy as many judges and politicians as I can
4. ?????
5. Profit

It's almost too easy.

thanks RIMPAA (1, Troll)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780208)

for breeding greater industrial strength p2p apps

more obfuscated, more sparse, more steganography, more secure, better hidden...

oh, you thought you were going to stop piracy instead?

you thought you were going to take a bunch of poor, technically astute, media hungry young folk, and get them to go "gee, all this arm twisting... maybe i should spend $200 a month i don't have on the media i want rather than stick it to an authoritarian internet freedom destroying parasitical antiquated UNNECESSARY corporate entity"

yeah, good luck with that RIMPAA

pass all the laws you want. all of them. this is the best you can do? you can't think of something more authoritarian and controlling for the sake of shoehorning yourself into our cultural space? c'mon, you can do better than that! buy some more legislators, hire some more lawyers. be all that you can be! go for the gold!

UNENFORCEABLE

let me repeat that, in case you didn't hear me

UN-EN-FORCE-ABLE

you ignorant, irrelevant pricks

go. snort your last coke off your last hookers' ass

YOU'RE OUT OF BUSINESS

YOU LOSE

BUHBYE

don't let the packet hit you on your ass on the way out the router

fucking parasites

Another case of pull $ from education (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780268)

Here's a thought Mr Government, how about force all those who are on welfare or similar to drug test, I bet you'll save billions.

Who is the pirate now? (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780272)

And this news comes just after the announcement of The Pirate party from Swedish? So, how do you suppose to teach/learn/invent something, anything in fact, if you have all that draconian restrictions even in University? What is next, the LIBRARY?

Waste of Money (1)

jarrettwold2002 (601633) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780308)

Much in the way the military plans for future wars based on assumptions from previous wars, this will go down that road as well. You're going to have an arms race with a group of people who have the benefit of unlimited time and resources? You will lose.

Something that the record industry still hasn't figured out yet, as they file RICO inspired civil lawsuits, is that no matter the frequency, amount or success of lawsuits it's impossible to win in the big picture. The movie industry is a bit better off largely due to Netflix Instant View, and the software industry goes after businesses that pirate rather than individuals.

Litigating and legislating the problem is a lot more expensive then actually solving the problem. It's not a technological problem, it's a fucked up business plan. People, for the large part, don't like; little plastic discs, DRM (re: "why can't I play this song on x device?"), and incessant bitching by titans of industry that should have had this figured out by now.

Waste. Of. Money.

Loopholes (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32780338)

My university had a very easy way of dealing with this. If you were sharing infringing files over p2p networks, and someone tried went after you, they handed you over to them. p2p filesharing of infringing files on personal computers wasn't allowed.

Of course, the administrators also understood that, for their classes, research, and personal life, students would need to be able to store and transfer large files. If the students wanted to use their own servers for that purpose, it would certainly be an interesting hobby, and should get funding and rack space as a university club. And if those students didn't want administrators looking at the servers, and password-protected the shares on them, it wouldn't really be appropriate for administrators to pry, even if the students gave the passwords to all other students. And if those students regularly transferred several gigabytes of data at a time, they were clearly just being diligent and enthusiastic students.

Almost no one at the university used external P2P networks for illegitimate means... considering that there was the option of using the 100Mbps connection to the outside world, and risking getting caught, or the 1Gbps connection to on-site servers, and not risking anything. And if something wasn't on there, there was this odd tendency for public computers to have utorrent installed, download something, and then suddenly have it deleted after a large transfer to those servers. Of course, the administrators couldn't really do anything about it, since they didn't have cameras in the computer labs or anything, and it only happened once per torrent anyway.

Really, they did everything one could expect them to do to combat p2p filesharing!

so lets play a little chess. (2, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780356)

colleges can outsource student networks (dorm, cafeteria, etc...) to ISP's, and maintain their own in-house networks for things like computing projects, internet2, etc...cost savings and flipping the bird to RIAA controlled legislators is certain to be a win-win.

7 proxies (1)

RubberDucky451 (1847494) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780358)

I'm behind 7 proxies, what do I care?

Yes We Can! (2, Funny)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780402)

Obama: Where "Yes we can" means "No you cannot!"

Luckily... (4, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#32780422)

...we have a good guy on our side in the White House. Obama will surely strike this down, pronto.

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