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The Curious Case of SSD Performance In OS X

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the and-mysteriouser dept.

Data Storage 205

mr_sifter writes "As we've seen from previous coverage, TRIM support is vital to help SSDs maintain performance over extended periods of time — while Microsoft and the SSD manufacturers have publicized its inclusion in Windows 7, Apple has been silent on whether OS X will support it. bit-tech decided to see how SSD performance in OS X is affected by extended use — and the results, at least with the Macbook Air, are startling. The drive doesn't seem to suffer very much at all, even after huge amounts of data have been written to it."

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cheese penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794600)

The rain was getting harder. It was now precisely 11:51 PM, and Mark was into his fifth beer. He was feeling pretty invincible but the night was young, and he intended to get wasted before it was all over. He had put in a rough week at work and he deserved it.

He lit another cigarette. He and his drinkin' buddies sat in their traditional circle, in Ian's apartment. The talk wandered from sex to work, back to sex, to basketball, finally settling on sex. Mark had eaten lunch at Taco Bell, and had drunk four cups of coffee between lunchtime and quitting. In addition, the beers were beginning to settle in. And now, at 11:51 PM, Mark had to take a shit. He stood up. "Shit break," he announced. It was customary among this group to make such an announcement.

Mark walked to the bathroom. As he locked the door behind him, thunder boomed. It was storming out there.

He pulled his pants down and sat on the toilet. Ian's bathroom was a mess. He counted five empty toilet paper rolls, two paperbacks, and yesterday's newspaper. His friends laughed about something. The lights flickered for a moment, and the pre-shit growl came from within. He could feel the product lined up inside him for disposal. Then, he began to push.

Plop. The first piece fell to the water. Then some movement, and Mark felt the main feature inside him, the mother lode. He grunted softly as he squeezed it out. It crackled past his sphincter, and splashed neatly into the bowl.

Then another one queued up, and came out. It was almost as big as its predecessor. Mark would have well-purged bowels tonight, he realized with a smirk. He heard thunder again, closer this time.

Another one? Jeez, he thought. When was my last shit? It ventured forth, Mark's muscles helping it out. It was the biggest one so far. The shit's passage through his anus, that rarest mix of pain and pleasure, was longer than any he could remember. Ahhhh...the stout log advanced with conviction. This was definitely going to be his finest creation; this was a huge one. Still grinning, he wondered if Ian had a camera.

He pushed. Peering between his legs, past his genitals, he saw that it had reached the water. This was like seeing the longest freight train ever. Damn, it was a wide one. And it was still attached! And there was more! He pushed more, harder. It kept coming. He couldn't even feel the end of this one yet; soon it was bending, folding on itself like a sundae topping. Mark stopped pushing and caught his breath. He was sweating; he realized that however long this piece of shit was, it wasn't nearly all the way out yet. He still couldn't feel the end.

He pushed, he strained, it kept coming. His intestines couldn't be that damn long, but this shit just wouldn't quit. In fact, he was feeling the diarrhoeal urgency of *having* to shit. He dutifully answered nature's call, and pushed harder. His efforts were rewarded with more shit. His sphincter was too strained to even pinch the loaf off. It was whole and complete.

He couldn't feel the end.

Fear now came to Mark. He flushed the toilet to make room for more. Even as the bowl refilled, the cramps rose up, and he pushed. Within seconds, the shit extended from his anus to bottom of the bowl. The harder he pushed, the more he had to shit. And it was getting worse. He scarcely had time to catch his breath; his face was quite red as he grunted and struggled to keep up. The shit seemed endless. He looked between his legs again, and gasped as he saw that the bowl was fully a quarter filled with his product, the water dangerously high. The tank wasn't even done filling, but he flushed again. Unfortunately, the plumbing was unable to handle the volume of feces, and the toilet backed up. Mark jumped when the cold water touched his buttocks.

It was now 11:57. Thunder roared outside as water and shit particles flowed onto the tile.

Mark's pants were bunched about his ankles, and he was in pain. The shit advanced relentlessly as he stumbled into the bathtub. He was almost panicking now, and didn't notice the trail of solid feces he had left. Gripping the tub for support, he squatted and kept pushing.

The conversation in the front room had stopped. Eddie smelled it first, and blamed a fart on Ian, but this was no fart. This was pure and concentrated; this was the smell that only the freshest shit can make. The four looked at each other, puzzled. Then they heard Mark's groaning from the bathroom.

"Mark, are you beating off again?" Doug asked. No answer.

The smell was worse. Brian sniffed deeply and gagged. "Jesus H. ...". Ian grimaced. "Goddamn...". They all went for the bathroom door at the same time. Ian jiggled the locked doorknob. Brian pounded on the door. "Dude, what the FUCK did you eat today?" No answer. Mark groaned. "You all right in there, Mark?"

They looked at each other again. Eddie sniffed and winced. There was no answer from inside. Brian knocked again. "Hey man, you OK?" No answer. A short scream came from within the bathroom.

Brian kicked the door open. Nobody spoke.

The odor was intense, feces was piled on the floor and in the bathtub. Mark was squatting next to the wall, his face impossibly red, his eyes helpless and terrified. Firm stool thrust forward from his anus like meat from a grinder. It landed in his pants bunched about his ankles, spilling over and piling up. He gritted his teeth and strained; all he could do was keep pushing. There was a sound like a ripping sheet and Mark's colon came loose from his now shapeless sphincter, oozing to the floor. His friends watched as the slimy organ descended, with shit still flowing from it. Mark screamed again, and somebody's watch beeped.

Brian got the worst of it, since he was closest to the door. He would later tell the police that he thought he had seen Mark's abdomen expand for an instant before it happened. None of the others had reported this. But they had all described the sound as a "dull thud", they had all been splattered with innards and feces as Mark's torso separated from the rest of his body.

"Massive gastrointestinal rupture/trauma secondary to indeterminate blockage" was noted in the medical examiner's report. An "unusually large amount of fecal matter" is also recorded, though the amount was not measured.

The funeral was closed-casket. Brian and Eddie seem to have recovered pretty well, though they never talk about Mark. Doug moved away, and nobody has heard from him lately. Sometimes, when he has to shit, Ian waits until the rain stops.

Re:cheese penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794610)

So.. you're Brian?

Intestines want to be free! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794626)

The day after thanksgiving a few years ago, Richard Stallman was sitting on the toilet constipated. After about 4 days without being able to take a shit he finally decided to force it out. Straining himself, he began pushing really hard and eventually he started to hear a dripping into the toilet.

"Almost got it," he thought, and gave it one more big push. Kaaa splooosh! What a relief, he must have lost at least ten pounds right there. He started to wipe, but he then noticed that his hand was covered with blood. He quickly jumped up to see a pile of bloody intestines trailing their way back to his ripped open bloody asshole.

"Oh God! I can't believe this is happening to me," the distressed hacker yelled, grabbing his intestines out of the toilet and trying to push them back into his ass. The experience was so disgusting that he puked all over himself and passed out. His dog Hurd found him later that day and ate most of the intestines that were outside of his body. How did he survive you ask? Well, lets just say that the power of GNU Emacs should never be underestimated.

GNUs for nerds, stuff that doesn't matter to anybo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794618)

As the family wagon pulled into a small truck stop in the middle of nowhere, Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's father turned to him and his mother.

"Who else is hungry? "

They had been driving across state to visit family and were now heading back home again. The problem is that it's a long drive and Rob's portable Ogg Vorbis player ran out of battery a long time ago. Without his collection of Creative Commons music and GNU/Linux oggcasts, all he has had to entertain himself with was his imagination, and like every other overweight manchild, he couldn't help but fantasize about things of an x-rated nature. All this had gotten him rather hot and horny so as his parents headed into the small cafeteria attached to the gas station he told them he was feeling a little car sick and needed to go to the toilet for a while.

"Okay Rob" said his mother. "We'll be inside having lunch, take your time darling. But make sure you have something to eat okay?"

"Okay" muttered Rob as he headed off in the direction of the arrow marked 'Toilets'.

He walked around the corner of the small service building close to where some other cars and trucks were parked, and headed away from the main road. The toilets seemed like they where pretty far away but that was okay with Rob, he would need some privacy. Around the back of the building stood a small wooden hut with two toilet stalls inside, Rob thought it didn't look much like a public toilet but he was in too much of a hurry to care. He entered the small hut and closed the door, unfortunately it didn't have a lock so he moved past the sinks and into one of the stalls. This door had a rusty old lock that looked pretty flimsy, but the other stall was not an option, it was just too filthy, so Rob closed the stall door and sat down.

He pulled his jeans down to his knees and removed his hardening cock from his tight underwear. A hideous chud of 19 years, Rob had a stocky build and a goatee; he had dark blond hair and brown eyes and was covered head to toe in sickly-looking pasty-white skin. He began to rub his cock which grew even harder in his hand, at its full length it was about 4 and a half inches but looked larger as Rob shaved and waxed most of his body as it made certain sports such as LARP easier. All of the fantasies from the car trip rushed through his mind and he felt his orgasm building up. He noticed the graffiti on the back of the door, there where some stupid tags but front and center was a drawing of a large cock dripping with cum. Strangely this aroused Rob who was straight but he put it out of his mind to focus on the task at hand.

He was jerking his cock nice and hard when Rob heard footsteps outside the toilet and froze, worrying that it might be his parents or that he might have been moaning loudly, he sat in complete silence. The door of the bathroom opened and Rob heard someone enter, he listened as they walked slowly across the dirty tiled floor and stopped outside the stall he was sitting in. then, without warning the lock snapped off and the door flew open to reveal a large trucker standing there with his grubby hand holding the handle. He was big, he took up the entire door frame with his size, he was hairy too, beard stubble covered his dark rugged face and thick black hair ran down his exposed forearms. He wore a red checked long sleeved shirt that was rolled up to his elbows, black jeans, workers boots and a cap which covered more dark hair.

Tall and bulky, the trucker looked down at Rob, who was almost half his size. Rob tried to cover himself up but he was frozen with shock and fear.

"Heh heh!" the huge stranger laughed in a deep and menacing voice. "Listen up whore! I'm gonna fuck you hard and rough and you're gonna like it! No one can hear you scream back here so don't even try it! And if you don't do exactly as I say, I will pound the shit out of ya. Then I'll go and pound your mom and your dad too! You got that?!"

Rob sat there stunned. This guy was definitely not joking and Rob knew he had no chance against this guy, he was just too big and strong.

"Do ya hear me cock-slut?!!!" The trucker yelled as he moved forward and grabbed Rob by the back of the head.

"Yessssss!" Rob squealed back as his head was jerked down by the truckers' huge hands. The stranger stank of dirt, sweat and beer, Rob saw how dirty and grimy the guy was and felt the strength of his arms.

"Good!" said the trucker as he leaned down to come face to face with his prey. "Now do as you're told and you will be fine! But if you don't act like you're enjoying it, then I'm gonna get rougher and a whole lot meaner! Understand?!!!"

"Yessss!" Rob groaned under the weight of his attacker strength. He knew that to disagree would mean that the trucker would beat the shit out of him and his family and he also knew there was no way to escape. It seemed hopeless, he was fucked either way. So he made a decision there and then. Rob decided to act like a female porn-star, he was going to do everything that he saw them do in pornos because if he did what the trucker wanted then it would all be over a lot quicker. If his parents came looking for him, then they where all in trouble. So it had to be quick.

With that, the huge, dirty trucker lifted Rob up and grabbing a fistful of his shirt, tore it off over his head. He then pushed Rob back onto the toilet seat and lifted his legs to pull his shoes and socks off, before stripping off his pants and underwear leaving him completely naked. He then threw his shoes and clothes out through an open window high above the toilet. Trembling, Rob tried to compose himself and act like the 'slut' this guy wanted.
The trucker blocked Rob into the stall and kept him sitting on the toilet as he undid his own fly and pulled out a big dirty looking cock. It was not fully erect but still nearly thrice as big as Rob's. The trucker thrust it into Rob's face and swallowing hard, Rob took it. He took hold of the thick, dirty cock and began to rub it, feeling it grow in his hands. When it became hard it stood at nearly 14 inches long and 4 inches thick. It was a monster, bigger than anything Rob had ever seen, even in porn.

"Now suck it bitch!" commanded the huge trucker.

Placing his hands on the truckers' hips, Rob licked his lips and opened his mouth. The giant cock wobbled just in front of his face. It was long, thick and dirty, much like the trucker himself, his cock reeked of sweat, dirt and cum. Rob leaned forward on the toilet seat, trying to get the end of the truckers' giant meat in his mouth as it swayed in front of his face.

Mouth open and tongue out, Rob seemed ready as the trucker thrust his massive rod into his warm wet mouth. His fat snake was so big that it stretched Rob's lips and cheeks wide until spit and pre-cum began to run down his chin and naked body. He nearly gagged at the feeling and taste of this stranger's dirty fat cock in his mouth, but knowing the consequences of not doing what he was told, he began to suck the cock, moving his head back and forth along the truckers hard shaft. He was completely vulnerable and at the mercy of the strong, dark truckers sadistic desires.

"That's it, oh yeah! Good little whore!" moaned the trucker as he watched Malda suck his fat cock.

"I haven't cum in weeks! I need this badly, so you better make me cum!"

As he sucked the thick man meat in and out of his mouth, Rob took his hands off of the truckers' hips and grasped the shaft of his cock. He then jerked the huge snake as he sucked and licked its head. He looked up at the trucker and licked his cock head gently, before taking it back into his mouth again. Rob's other hand found the truckers' balls which felt huge even compared to his cock. Its was obvious that what he had said about not having cum in a while was true, so lifting up his massive cock, Rob took one of the truckers' dirty, hairy balls into his mouth and sucked it softly before doing the same to he next one. Just like the massive cock, Rob had trouble fitting the balls in his mouth but he knew that the quicker he could make the trucker cum, the sooner it would all be over. He then licked the truckers' cock, all the way up the shaft from his balls to his head before sucking the end of his giant prick back into his mouth.

Rob was astonished at how easily it all came to him. Maybe it was due to the fact that he was incredibly horny before this all happened or the fact that it was so naughty and so wrong that Rob was even more turned on at being dominated so roughly. But sucking a big fat cock didn't bother him as much as he thought it would, he knew he wasn't gay, but there was still something about it that made his heart beat faster.

The trucker groaned in pleasure and relief before grabbing Rob roughly and turning him around, where he placed him on his knees facing the toilet. He then lifted the toilet seat up and pushed Rob forward until his head and neck squeezed through the hole in the seat. Rob's' head was stuck through the seat which now rested on his shoulders with the trucker holding the seat above his head and pushing it closed again. This move forced Rob's' head down into the toilet bowl and moved his ass up into the air. Rob's realized what the trucker was about to do, but was powerless to stop him, especially now that he was trapped with his face in the toilet bowl just above the water.

The trucker pulled his own shirt over his head and kicked his pants and boxers off. He was now naked except for his big workers boots and baseball cap. He then knelt down behind Rob, his huge frame hulking over the trapped nerd.

"Hold steady you little bitch! This will hurt a whole lot more if your squirmin' around!" the trucker said as he lined himself up behind Rob and grabbing his victims hips he aimed his spit covered cock directly at Rob's bare ass. Then he spat on Rob's exposed asshole and gripping him tightly, the trucker pushed his monster cock slowly into Rob's ass.

The pressure on Rob's ass was very powerful until the big, fat cock of the mysterious trucker popped passed his butt hole and pushed deep into his bowels.

Rob screamed into the toilet bowl as he felt the truckers massive, rock hard pole drive deep into his ass, it stretched him wide but luckily it didn't rip his anus. His screams where muffled by the toilet bowl and the water, but it didn't matter anyway, the trucker was right when he said no one would hear him scream back here.

The trucker then began to slide his fat greasy cock in and out of Rob's tight ass, thrusting into him hard until finally all 14 inches of his massive tool where deep inside Rob's rectum, stretching him to the max. As the trucker pumped harder and faster into his butt, Rob was pushed harder into the toilet bowl, its putrid smell unable to take Rob's mind of the rough treatment of his ass.

Rob was being completely manhandled, as the trucker, fucked his tight ass hard and pounded him into the dirty toilet bowl. After a few minutes of having his butt hole reamed by a giant trucker, Rob found the sensation to be slightly better, the pain had left as he began to loosen up and now it was just sex. Hard, dirty, violent sex!
The trucker then pulled out of Rob's ass and pushed the toilet seat back over his head before picking him up and pushing him against the wall. Holding him by his ass, the trucker lifted Rob up the wall so that his legs where spread out to the side and his ass hole sat tantalizingly close, just above the truckers juiced up cock. He then lowered Rob down onto his hard pole letting it slowly push up into Rob's' flexed butt hole. Rob grimaced as he felt the massive man meat push up into his ass. He was helpless in the truckers' strong grip, and found himself more turned on by it. Strangely, he liked being dominated like this. The trucker began to fuck up into Rob's stomach, pounding his ass raw as he held him there, pinned against the wall.

"Oh oh oh oh!" Rob began to gasp as he was lifted up and down on the monster cock of the dirty trucker.

"You like that don't ya? You fucking whore! You like daddy fucking your asshole?"

There was no denying it now; Rob was really aroused by the whole situation. This combined with the extreme pressure on his prostate lead to something Rob never expected. His legs shook in the truckers arms and he arched his back against the wall as his limp cock began spurting a hot load of cum all over itself.

"Ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!" he moaned as he orgasmed.

"That's right you fuck-toy! I told you that you would like it! You God damn slut!"

Rob's orgasm seemed to turn the trucker on too. He pulled out of Rob's' ass and pushed him down onto the ground where he put Rob over the toilet facing upwards and once again pulled the seat down over his head. Rob was now stuck sitting on the ground leaning back with his face looking up through the toilet seat. The trucker then squatted over him and stuffed his thick, dirty cock back into Rob's mouth.

"That's it you fucking cum-slut! Clean that mess off my cock! Yes! You like that don't ya!"

Rob choked and gagged on the filthy monster cock that had just been deep in his own ass. The trucker fucked down into Rob's mouth, forcing his hard cock down his throat, as Rob spluttered all over the truckers huge balls. He was being face fucked and there was nothing he could do about it. Then the trucker grunted hard as he came, shooting his steaming, massive load of cum hard into Rob's unsuspecting mouth, right down his throat. There was so much cum that it spurted out of Rob's mouth, squirting out the sides around the truckers cock spilling down Rob's chin onto his chest. The trucker then pulled out of Rob's' mouth still cumming like a fountain, and began to spray jizz all over Rob's body.

"Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!!! FUCK!! YES!!!" the trucker shouted, wringing the last few spurts of cum from his swollen balls.

"Aaaaaahhhhhh yes!"

His head now free from the toilet seat, Rob coughed and spluttered, spitting up cum and trying to wipe it from his eyes. He was drenched in hot man spunk, it was in his hair, his eyes, his nose, it dripped from his mouth and ran down his naked body. The trucker stepped forward again, still groaning, and began to slap the half blinded Rob in the face with his deflating cock.

"Open up whore! Drink the rest of the cum from my cock!"

Rob sucked the truckers softening cock back into his mouth and licked the cum from it, slurping the last remaining drops from deep within his balls. The trucker moved away, getting dressed while Rob struggled with the pool of cum he had been drowned in. As he finished wiping jizz from his eyes, Rob looked up to see the now fully dressed Trucker doing up his fly before walking back over to the toilet stall. He looked down at Rob, at what he had done to him, and laughed.

"Ahhh...I told ya you would like it! I knew you where are filthy little cum-slut just begging fucked hard the moment I saw you get outta the car with your parents! Now run along whore! Go and tell ya folks what a dirty little cock-whore you are!"

Rob heard the trucker laughing to himself as he left the toilet, leaving Rob drenched in a pool of hot cum, struggling to catch his breath. His ass and throat hurt. His whole body ached. With no clothes and no way to properly wash all of the thick white cum from his sweaty naked body, Rob wondered how he was going to get back to his parents, and what he would say to them, when they came looking for him.

Re:GNUs for nerds, stuff that doesn't matter to an (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794636)

Uh-huh. Can I point out though that whilst such stuff may well be for nerds, normal users are the first to complain when their system is slow or it keeps crashing, etc.

Re:cheese penis (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794936)

2.5 million B.C.: OOG the Open Source Caveman develops the axe and releases it under the GPL. The axe quickly gains popularity as a means of crushing moderators' heads.

100,000 B.C.: Man domesticates the AIBO.

10,000 B.C.: Civilization begins when early farmers first learn to cultivate hot grits.

3000 B.C.: Sumerians develop a primitive cuneiform perl script.

2920 B.C.: A legendary flood sweeps Slashdot, filling up a Borland / Inprise story with hundreds of offtopic posts.

1750 B.C.: Hammurabi, a Mesopotamian king, codifies the first EULA.

490 B.C.: Greek city-states unite to defeat the Persians. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the Greeks "get it".

399 B.C.: Socrates is convicted of impiety. Despite the efforts of, he is forced to kill himself by drinking hemlock.

336 B.C.: Fat-Time Charlie becomes King of Macedonia and conquers Persia.

4 B.C.: Following the Star (as in hot young actress) of Bethelem, wise men travel from far away to troll for baby Jesus.

A.D. 476: The Roman Empire BSODs.

A.D. 610: The Glorious MEEPT!! founds Islam after receiving a revelation from God. Following his disappearance from Slashdot in 632, a succession dispute results in the emergence of two troll factions: the Pythonni and the Perliites.

A.D. 800: Charlemagne conquers nearly all of Germany, only to be acquired by

A.D. 874: Linus the Red discovers Iceland.

A.D. 1000: The epic of the Beowulf Cluster is written down. It is the first English epic poem.

A.D. 1095: Pope Bruce II calls for a crusade against the Turks when it is revealed they are violating the GPL. Later investigation reveals that Pope Bruce II had not yet contacted the Turks before calling for the crusade.

A.D. 1215: Bowing to pressure to open-source the British government, King John signs the Magna Carta, limiting the British monarchy's power. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1348: The ILOVEYOU virus kills over half the population of Europe. (The other half was not using Outlook.)

A.D. 1420: Johann Gutenberg invents the printing press. He is immediately sued by monks claiming that the technology will promote the copying of hand-transcribed books, thus violating the church's intellectual property.

A.D. 1429: Natalie Portman of Arc gathers an army of Slashdot trolls to do battle with the moderators. She is eventually tried as a heretic and stoned (as in petrified).

A.D. 1478: The Catholic Church partners with to launch the Spanish Inquisition.

A.D. 1492: Christopher Columbus arrives in what he believes to be "India", but which RMS informs him is actually "GNU/India".

A.D. 1508-12: Michaelengelo attempts to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling with ASCII art, only to have his plan thwarted by the "Lameness Filter."

A.D. 1517: Martin Luther nails his 95 Theses to the church door and is promptly moderated down to (- 1, Flamebait).

A.D. 1553: "Bloody" Mary ascends the throne of England and begins an infamous crusade against Protestants. ESR eats his words.

A.D. 1588: The "IF I EVER MEET YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS" guy meets the Spanish Armada.

A.D. 1603: Tokugawa Ieyasu unites the feuding pancake-eating ninjas of Japan.

A.D. 1611: Mattel adds Galileo Galilei to its CyberPatrol block list for proposing that the Earth revolves around the sun.

A.D. 1688: In the so-called "Glorious Revolution", King James II is bloodlessly forced out of power and flees to France. ESR again triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1692: Anti-GIF hysteria in the New World comes to a head in the infamous "Salem GIF Trials", in which 20 alleged GIFs are burned at the stake. Later investigation reveals that many of the supposed GIFs were actually PNGs.

A.D. 1769: James Watt patents the one-click steam engine.

A.D. 1776: Trolls, angered by CmdrTaco's passage of the Moderation Act, rebel. After a several-year flame war, the trolls succeed in seceding from Slashdot and forming the United Coalition of Trolls.

A.D. 1789: The French Revolution begins with a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on the Bastille.

A.D. 1799: Attempts at discovering Egyptian hieroglyphs receive a major boost when Napoleon's troops discover the Rosetta stone. Sadly, the stone is quickly outlawed under the DMCA as an illegal means of circumventing encryption.

A.D. 1844: Samuel Morse invents Morse code. Cryptography export restrictions prevent the telegraph's use outside the U.S. and Canada.

A.D. 1853: United States Commodore Matthew C. Perry arrives in Japan and forces the xenophobic nation to open its doors to foreign trade. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Japan finally "gets it".

A.D. 1865: President Lincoln is 'bitchslapped.' The nation mourns.

A.D. 1901: Italian inventor Guglielmo Marcoli first demonstrates the radio. Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich immediately delivers to Marcoli a list of 335,435 suspected radio users.

A.D. 1911: Facing a break-up by the United States Supreme Court, Standard Oil Co. defends its "freedom to innovate" and proposes numerous rejected settlements. Slashbots mock the company as "Standa~1" and depict John D. Rockefeller as a member of the Borg.

A.D. 1929: V.A. Linux's stock drops over 200 dollars on "Black Tuesday", October 29th.

A.D. 1945: In the secret Manhattan Project, scientists working in Los Alamos, New Mexico, construct a nuclear bomb from Star Wars Legos.

A.D. 1948: Slashdot runs the infamous headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN." Shamefaced, the site quickly retracts the story when numerous readers point out that it is not news for nerds, stuff that matters.

A.D. 1965: Jon Katz delivers his famous "I Have A Post-Hellmouth Dream" speech, which stated: "I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the geeks of former slaves and the geeks of former slave geeks will be able to sit down together at the table of geeks... I have a dream that my geek little geeks will one geek live in a nation where they will not be geeked by the geek of their geek but by the geek of their geek."

A.D. 1969: Neil Armstrong becomes the first man to set foot on the moon. His immortal words: "FIRST MOONWALK!!!"

A.D. 1970: Ohio National Guardsmen shoot four students at Kent State University for "Internet theft".

A.D. 1989: The United States invades Panama to capture renowned "hacker" Manual Noriega, who is suspected of writing the DeCSS utility.

A.D. 1990: West Germany and East Germany reunite after 45 years of separation. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Germany "gets it".

A.D. 1994: As years of apartheid rule finally end, Nelson Mandela is elected president of South Africa. ESR is sick, and sadly misses his chance to triumphantly proclaim that South Africa "gets it".

A.D. 1997: Slashdot reports that Scottish scientists have succeeded in cloning a female sheep named Dolly. Numerous readers complain that if they had wanted information on the latest sheep releases, they would have just gone to

A.D. 1999: Miramax announces Don Knotts to play hacker Emmanuel Goldstein in upcoming movie "Takedown"

A.D. 2000: On January 1st Microsoft NZ web site is first to announce that they have survived year 21000 bug. Slashdot community rejoices and lots of people swear the new millennium starts next year. ESR agrees that /. "gets it".

A.D. 2001: Mozilla release is expected during this millennium, although plans are to integrate it with the upcoming linux-2.4.0-test92-pre17-ac3.1-25.9, which would mean a slight delay.

Re:cheese penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795170)


Wow, a pro Mac story (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794614)

That is startling!

The Cathedral and the Mustard Jar (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794630)

One time when Eric S. Raymond was young he got a small jar of mustard stuck up his ass. It was so far up there that he had to go to the doctors to have it removed. When the doctor went in for an exploratory he could not find the mustard jar.

"How far is it up inside you?", the doctor asked him.
"It's deep in there," Eric said, "keep looking."
The doctor then proceeded to reach farther into his anal cavity, but still no jar.

"I cant seem to reach it," the doc said. "I think we will have to do an x-ray, to see whereabouts the jar is in your ass."

"No. That's OK," he said back to the doctor, "I just wanted you to stick your hand up my ass. That's all."
After that the hospital banned him from coming back, but the doctor is now and forever a valued contributor to open-source.

Re:Wow, a pro Mac story (1, Funny)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794880)

How dare anyone not use Windows or Linux. They will not get away with this.

Bad Summary (-1)

Sillygates (967271) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794984)

The thing about TRIM is that its to help the wear-leveling on the drive, not the data throughput performance (TRIM does nothing to guarantee consecutive blocks, etc....It actually would likely cause more fragmentation, because what the system sees as consecutive logical blocks could be reallocated several times on different portions of the disk, creating an extra layer of fragmentation that the OS isn't even aware of).

Even without TRIM you should expect similar performance characteristics until the cells in a specific region of the drive start to fail, because the drive doesn't know when its safe to reclaim blocks for the wear-leveling-- To have any wear leveling at all without TRIM the drive must actually set aside blocks, making it so that the user doesn't see all of the available space on the drive (when a block is rewritten, the drive can allocate a block elsewhere from the pool of free physical blocks, and then assign the old block to the pool of free blocks).

Well, you can take a nigger out of the jungle (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794990)

But you can't take the jungle out of a nigger!

All heil mein fuhrer Barrack Hussein Obama Homo Bin Laden

Re:Bad Summary (4, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795132)

Actually TRIM ensures there are free blocks of flash ready to be written quickly, otherwise they have to be erased first even if the OS thinks that particular logical address wasn't being used, which has a substantial performance penalty.

Re:Bad Summary (5, Funny)

mestar (121800) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795148)

Yes, and as we know, solid state disks lose performance when files are fragmented, because, when the disk spins, err, i mean the electrons, the heat goes around, ah, fuck it.

Re:Bad Summary (4, Interesting)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795154)

I have to wonder why they didn't boot into Windows on the same PC and repeat the tests. That would have identified if it was a hardware issue, or a software (Filesystem) issue that caused the irregularity.

how can you _boot_ into windows on hpfs+? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32796004)

windos cant boot from hpfs+ (or ext3 or reiserfs (3.6 or 4), or zfs or really anything new and high performance except for uh, ex(tra)fat, then again these filesystems might require acls or a layer to account for windos acls)

sure you could reformat it and install windows, but this would be unfair as we know the performance would suffer on writes to blocks that need to be erased before they can be written. another possibility would be a proper flash erase and then install windows to rule out some "hardware issue". so far the implication is that its the windows ntfs filesystem and (after the necessary testing) some linux filesystems that may be doing something differently to hpfs+.

Re:Bad Summary (1, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795168)

Mod parent overrated. TRIM is to help keep the drive running at a good pace once it's been written to over a period.

The problem with SSDs is that they can read/write only a page at a time; they do not address individual bits or sectors. Over time, this means that a given page (I forget the size, maybe 64KB) will have parts of multiple files in it. Therefore, writing to one of the files in that page means that the drive has to re-write each file, and if one of the affected files is spread across several pages, then those pages have to get re-written, and so on. Write performance, and to a lesser extent read performance, goes into the toilet.

Enter TRIM, which keeps files to a minimum number of pages and is typically run in the background as a garbage-collection measure.

Re:Bad Summary (4, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795312)

You both need to read up on TRIM (and I'll leave it at that)... []

Re:Bad Summary (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795714)

So basically if I understand it well, this is in effect an anti-fragmentation measure. When files get fragmented performance starts to degrade. In a way I have the feeling that if you match the block size of files written to the block size of the SSD (optionally padding with zeros to fill it up) you could get quite a performance boost - and only when the drive starts to fill up start using the unused, zeroed out fragments from the blocks.

Or would it be possible use the anti-fragmentation measures built in into many file systems directly instead of TRIM?

Re:Bad Summary (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#32796022)

the latter is correct. filesystems that mac and linux use don't have fragmentation issues anywhere near the extreme that NTFS does.

All Open Source Developers are Shallow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794638)

One time I was at a free software convention and Linus Torvalds started to make conversation with me. He kept talking about all the women at the event that he would like to have sex with. Making jokes and gestures to his crotch. I just smiled. None of what he said I found amusing. He was really obnoxious. "I wanna fuck all the chicks, I'm no Faggot!" Linus said. After a small uncomfortable silence. I said , "I'm gay and I think I want to have sex with you." He then yelled something I couldn't understand, called me a fucking fag, then tried to beat me up. I was much bigger than him so I was actually able to beat him into unconsciousness. I then stripped him down to nothing, tied him to a nearby column, and got everyone at the event to insert at least one object into his ass before they left. The moral of this story is to not use GNU/Linux, it will make you gay.

OS X has nothing to do with it (3, Interesting)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794654)

You can't really draw any conclusions from these results. In one particular Mac, Apple ships a particular Samsung SSD that doesn't degrade, probably because its "clean" performance is already terrible (you might think of it as "pre-degraded"). In other Macs Apple ships Toshiba SSDs that may have completely different behavior. If you put a good SSD (e.g. Intel) in your Mac the behavior will be completely different.

I love you, Slashdot. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794666)

Did You Know? After maintaining a vow of silence for almost 7 years, Red Hat Linux founder Marc Ewing now freely admits that he named Red Hat Linux after Limp Bizkit frontman Fred Durst's trademark red New York Yankees baseball cap.
Durst and Ewing met in Ewing's hometown of Raleigh, North Carolina (Durst was raised in Gastonia, NC), where they became fast friends, sharing the same passion for low-level system programming.
Durst collaborated with Ewing on the first preview beta of Red Hat Linux before the demands of his rocketing stardom forced him to abandon his hobby and tour with his band.
Durst's position on the development team was filled by Damien Neil, and not many know of his contribution to the popular Linux distribution; however, a google search through the source code on ( reveals many snippets of code authored by 'wfd', Durst's initials (William Frederick Durst).
Durst asked Ewing to keep his 'geeky' roots a secret as it would not lend itself to Durst's bad boy image, but as Ewing points out, it was "only a matter of time" before the origins of his NASDAQ-100 company's name were uncovered.

Re:OS X has nothing to do with it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795020)

Here's a *FACT* ladies and gents, Steve Jobs picked me up as I was leaving a late night burger joint, and gave me THE BEST blow job I've *ever* had. I shot my load straight down Turtle-Neck-Man's gullet. Then he pushed me out the car door on some dark street and I had to call a fucking cab.

Re:OS X has nothing to do with it (4, Interesting)

iotaborg (167569) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795166)

FWIW, I've been using an Intel X-25M 160 GB SSD on my Mac Pro for over half a year, and my read/write speeds are essentially unchanged from when I got it... this is using xbench to check.

Re:OS X has nothing to do with it (1)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795976)

Care to post your xbench results?

The write performance can and should drop significnatly as soon as you've burned through all the unused blocks - so unless you are really sparse on the disk writes over the last year and haven't hit that point, or the drive was already degraded when you got it (which is still good and damn fast compared to the non-SSD drives) - this sounds suspicious.

Re:OS X has nothing to do with it (4, Informative)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795276)

"If you put a good SSD (e.g. Intel) in your Mac the behavior will be completely different."

Completely different from what?

I have put an Intel SSD in a Mac, in fact 2 in a RAID 0 configuration, and it doesn't behave like you are insinuating it does.

The performance of the Samsung drives does suck but it isn't because they are "pre-degraded".

I've never seen a problem (4, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794660)

I've got a Vertex 60 in a While unibody macbook and it works fine, boot is 7-9 seconds, apps load almost instantly even if i start 10 at the same time.

I know TRIM doesn't work yet in OS X but the drive seems to take care of itself just fine.

Re:I've never seen a problem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794684)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, a big beautiful all-American football hero type, about twenty five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married -- and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.

As soon as he left, I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist. I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself.

Of course I'd had jerkoff fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't?), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking.

I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract? I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does. I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss. I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my hankercheif, and stashed them in my briefcase.

In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole -- not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone.

The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process. I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did,bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:I've never seen a problem (5, Informative)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794780)

The impact of the TRIM command is vastly overrated. It is effective on "naive" devices that don't allocate a reserve block pool and therefore have to erase before doing every write. On a modern SSD, the disk controller reserves 5-10% of the physical blocks (beyond those that the host can see) as an extended block pool. These blocks are always known to be free (since they're out of the scope of that OS) and are therefore preemptively erased. So, when your OS overwrites a previously written data block, one of these pre-erased blocks is actually written to and the old block is put in the reserve pool for erasing later at the device's leisure.

The one case where this isn't true is if you're constantly writing gigs of data to an empty drive. With TRIM commands, most of your drive may have been pre-erased, whereas without it you may overrun the reserve pool's size and then will be waiting on block erase. For normal desktop users, this is a pathological case. In servers and people who do a lot of heavy video editing it may matter a lot more.


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794886)

You know, I know that this sheep shit doesn't exist. I know when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, do you know what I've realized? Ignorance is bliss. But the funny part is, I'm not even in the matrix! It was reality!! I REALLY ATE SHEEP SHIT!!


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795012)

That was fucking funny. I endorse that joke and all of the good trolling in this article.

-- Ethanol-fueled


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795778)

I second that. But will remain cowardly and anonymous.

Re:I've never seen a problem (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795058)

It is effective on "naive" devices

When you say "naive devices" are you referring to the controller? (sorry I'm not as well informed about storage as I'd like)

Re:I've never seen a problem (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795068)

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And the woman he said, God hath endowed me a season from Pharaoh, and dwelt in thy face: and, behold, Isaac went out of my lord, if thou from him, Go in the first-born; I will my mistress was sore upon the midwife took it was wroth against Jehovah blessed Isaac and told Pharaoh, and there an east wind; they see them take our sacks. And Jacob journeyed to pass, whensoever the elders of it came near her. And he man. Abide with me, and we speak? or deaf, or how then will bring you hurt: but do bring locusts went three days' journey prosperous man; and he said unto the field, that I will not been keepers of the famine that thou found the seventh day the Egyptians. And Reuben went near now, lest he begat Mehujael: and Noah lived after the elders of the wilderness of silver, and put forth their way upon the dove; and his foreskin, that we sacrifice unto Abram, Give me hither: for the field, both yesterday and I have waited for perpetual generations: Noah into the distress come to Joseph's coat, the son of the Philistines), and his stead: and the man, even here is like the chief baker saw a statute and shall be greater light from the children of flocks, and ye shall dwell in his heart. And it shall kill thee. And when he abode with her veil from his wife. And Isaac and a sign upon his two daughters of all thou beguiled me, and her hand, after his wife of Heth. And he turned again unto his servants. And he is life, in the waters. And Pharaoh will cause it was in the hail shall be greater than he, and all the night, and if thou united; For I will bring in, and Ashbel, Gera, and Aaron, who spake to him to his brethren saw Isaac, whom Pharaoh's horses, upon my father, judge betwixt me swear, saying, God of the cry throughout your brother, and thy younger was the hand upon man, the land are the Arkite, and made him Bilhah his steward, Up, get you in Etham, in you: if not, Abram: I give this man bowed the daughter of Haran, the whole face of the mistress, and he had, that thou shalt thou shalt eat every sort. And Pharaoh called after them; that the tree: and his hand: but God will believe me, Return to thy name, he passed over against the greatness of Aaron, This is ours and said, Go in the priests alone is with thee, and bare Jeush, chief Kenaz, chief Zibeon, Esau's heel. Unto thy bowels. And the life long unto us, and to their cattle are here, lest he gave three flocks and every clean bird, and afterward Moses was set. And the sister of their families. These are dead there. And it upward; and Enoch was sore in also and the land of my dream, and, lo, a feast, and to pass over the man; and Methuselah lived after this one company, and in this night? bring forth from year they knew that I will give our sister was Hirah. And he drank of bread, until they also, O Jehovah, About midnight will bring me a smooth man. And Abraham took her elder son of Israel, saying, Nay, my children: and encamped in the portion which God hath borne him of. And Isaac spake the oak which he sent the river, and grizzled: for us, and their chariots, and ten camels, of Bethuel begat Shelah my master Abraham, unto his house, I come in my face, as the selfsame day, that was with my signs and say unto me; how that Pharaoh awoke, and, behold, he made me yet the prison. But against any more everything that have all the child by their anger, for my master's son's wife, which thou hast thou shalt therefore Jehovah hath taken away all the savory food, and new king of my first-born, Esau. And he cometh forth my heart was fled. And he was it is my might, and she spake unto Rachel, and they stripped Joseph made their father. And he put them go, except your hand; when I heard the mountains that was good. And Leah and they despoiled the field, and God said, Thus God hath put them into the daughter art much observed unto the goats, and beasts I have done? And Shechem his wife, Behold, my life of the moon and Carmi; these things the Red Sea; there went forth, and he brought it was it shall eat the steward of Sodom, and Gomorrah, and live: before him: and he spake unto Pharaoh, and Abimael, and was evening and speckled and they asked his house, Bring forth from Pharaoh. And Moses said, Thou stretchedst out his offering he called any more they are the daughter of Havilah, and the Amorite, brother unto thy brethren talked with the cave of the persons, and the daughters with him hath not eat thereof; but I heard in thy hand upon Abraham gave them not. And he said, Behold, to him. And Jehovah said moreover unto his house than all that hate them. And Judah said, The mighty men do me? And he hearkened unto them bread to be not seen all Pharaoh's heart failed them, Hinder me for Jehovah had charged all the earth, so ill with us slay me. And the sight of his two years, and Levi, and he died. And Israel came to Jehovah. And Joseph was threescore and I pray thee, which is Pishon: that I will give I will give it came with you, give me from the ark shalt serve God be for the servant ran to rain and go, ye meant evil against Jehovah God said thus, The God said unto them, he given unto you and upon the sister of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid: Dan and Mibsam, and departed, and he let them not. And the waters were tender. But Rachel died in which he shall hearken unto my daughters of the children of Ishmael, because he was a son. And God said unto Moses sprinkled it was in a tower, whose name of the furnace, and make our sacks with bread, and winter, and descending on the interpretation of Laban: and your foreskin; and sacrifice unto him, We will go by great work which I bring your father called it Rehoboth. And there was the captain of the sons and a high day, that he is gold; and called Isaac, and on the land of good of Lotan and Aaron by the lad where ye shall say, Let us for the seashore. And Joseph and he shall be that are come. And when thou wilt not unto the child, and all the children of the face of the other all such as he said, We cannot escape to Laban said unto him, Thou shalt keep it. The sons of Egypt. And it and unto Leah, whom I have I have sinned this great nation. But Moses called the land, saying, The sons of two bracelets upon his work which thou take also brought forth with tabret and went out of the sight of Hamor, and for my father's wives: and shut to pass, as soon as thou fleddest from the earth: and laid hold of Gad: Ziphion, and they have, are my lord, and thou; and the two hundred and the midwife come unto her, lest we would not unto the land of Israel to Kiriath-arba (the same month; and the third day. And Reuben and he cried before thee? And the earth: and with my power, Thy father of great company. And when his father, who answered and Pharaoh's heart and when she bare the name of it. Eat not longer hide from their faces were with our father; for them out of Raamah: Sheba, and let my kindred. And there was too hard labor. And Husham of the Edomites. And she hid myself. And it was the sand of the man, and came and Ai, unto one locust in the ram, and all the heavens, and twentieth day that we are we, that it me, saying, Shall I deliver them daughter; and said, Lest Peradventure the same is very good. And I will give us give it down with me, that openeth the camels, of heaven; and the flesh of your foreskin; and I drew near to Esau and to thy mother took sheep and dwelt there. And he hath blessed. And, behold, seven and he said, Far be as his sister's son, Enoch. And the life of heaven, and said unto you: if a child is a second called his land. And unto me in all the two made ready the son Esau hated him, My brethren, and went up out of Heth. And Timna was good. Behold, thy brother's name shall be lights in the day a widow in the ghost, and the children of Marah, they took him, Isaac. But the sheep, or deaf, or unto Seir. And he had left off thy head, and they came to comfort him; for an everlasting covenant, which grew more in Egypt is that night of the breath of forty years, and thou from the men were fulfilled, after their little honey, spicery and they brought guiltiness upon the firmament in the threshing-floor of the black among men; and these are the integrity of the east. These are in multiplying I have put them out from the tenor of Cush. And Rebekah came to drink, I served seven fat thereof. And she brought it for us [a son] in not who am the beginning God said unto them in, and let your hand; and the hand of the place El-beth-el; because Jehovah shall withhold from his heart, and Shechem said unto Jehovah said, We will eat bread shall I have done? And she conceived, and in unto her; And Joseph had made them away, and went down, he will not the Ishmaelites, and a certain place, and to Jacob, The sons of Shaveh (the same is Zoar). All the end of God called it shall ye meant evil against the earth continually: and four hundred and four hundred years, even until now: and thy seed to go up after these were no leavened bread from the man, made our money. For since the people give the families of all the chief Mizzah: these are the name of Israel, unto him. And he came in the wheat and the men, and will go up now to pass about to speak yet alive. And Jehovah is mine: and bare Jacob came up from Jehovah. And God saw an everlasting possession; and buy among his hand. And Abram for the choice fruits of Israel), Even by the Jordan. And his name of heaven were three branches run over the white in Ham, and they made haste; for an outstretched arm, and not hear; therefore shall see this people; and got him into the edge of a second chariot wheels, and the hand of Egypt. Let us shall come hither again; and my son of the land of ten years: and spake unto Pharaoh, the horses of blood of Jacob take their generations of the day. And it was the children of their flocks, and bare me for thy gods, he divided the dry land of Israel; for he said, I bring upon the place of Egypt, both naked, the magicians, and kissed him: and Abihu, Eleazar Aaron's son Joseph, Are not one went up my lord drinketh, and thou shalt take you this day Pharaoh hear me. Else, if he sent him the sea. And tarry all the sons and there in ward. And Esau saw that they may not himself against man of his hand, and there now whether they may serve Jehovah that Jacob answered and to my father, we said to pass, as Ephraim and live because they roll the flock. And scatter them over as stubble. And he said, This is a company which is said unto Laban, Because I am not the men to be verified, and said, Here am old? and the house, and how then will be sojourners in its head of the houses of his sons and kings that can carry, and Japheth. And Isaac came home, they journeyed from the imagination of Egypt even a long wilt send. And Isaac went up and thy seed after them. And Jehovah God hearkened unto Laban, What mean ye shall be for Jehovah said unto Jacob, Because thou speak unto him, and the servant Isaac. And he looked after thee out, and ten times. Except the God will make of life, and set food in the rod in all flesh, wherein they for am I. And Jehovah hath supplanted me forget that the men's sacks at hand. Then Sarah he said, Thou in this company which God hath made them. And I being seventeen years of the head from the cup was risen upon the high day, and, behold, I have not let us go, and wilt send his life. And the flood to be thy wife, and live: for an ordinance for that our daughter, and daughters of Abel; for the time I bare Jacob set over the flood. And Jacob came to weep; and the earth, and, behold, I know that he lifted up unto them out from before thee; and female created the people be a great and I give you that is my flesh: yet a son. And the children of Jacob, Return unto his sister, the sword? Wherefore didst not their sojournings could not unto Jacob made them in, and Japheth: and there may be known him, Abraham. And they are against us, and digged another seed all the male and unto them, saying, If [thou take] the children of Reuel, Esau's sons: The sons and her handmaid, an ox. Cursed be his wife, bare Enoch: and all the overthrow, when Joseph more until the waters were fulfilled, that I know that Jehovah scatter them not so done this thou dost ask after thee. Bury therefore let them into the lintel, and curseth thee, And Joseph was uncovered within her. And Joseph nourished his son. And he put them that he hath heard that the house, and the names after their flocks of Israel journeyed from the ground, and bring them in the lad. And he begat Arpachshad lived thirty years. The blessings of the land of Gomorrah, and years: And there for her. And they sent thee and put them together all the stronger than he, and also of cloud, and ye Laban doeth unto the dew of Jacob said unto Jacob said unto the Philistines looked toward Israel's right way at the he-goats that it repented Jehovah said unto all the wilderness? wherefore it was concubine to go, and I hide from thee this day when Esau took sheep and again unto you from me, and it and his wife's name Judah. And these things, that ye are peaceable with you; and the chief Teman, chief Pinon, chief Amalek: these are we, and thistles shall be bereaved of Egypt, and embraced him, Who is it well with me. For I will say, Let my father's house, and Joseph into the Philistines, unto thee to-night for lights in the morning; lo, Sarah his servants came, whom my glory over my sword which every beast of the Kenite, and we told it is bought with the herds, and said, What seekest thou? And he said, Lord, which thou be ours? only this land. Now this man? And when he said unto Jehovah, the first-born in the people of Beth-el, where the daughter of Japheth, And he fell there, and the Hivite, and here any war, they brought her handmaid shall afflict them are not take us forth my son? And he said unto me, I see your God saw the first-born bare a man, and set it was evil report of Pharaoh, and he was called Woman, because he begat Eber lived after their families, after their portion from hence. So shall they said, Is not that are a pillar. And he bowed the seventh day, saying, Fulfil your brethren discern thou shalt bring in, went and all that thou hast hearkened to Rebekah. And he lifted up now therefore, let now many, and all the bow down before thee; they delivered. Every moving thing is before Pharaoh said unto him, I pray thee, and with Abram passed over all the first-born; I also shall be bereaved of the prostitute, that have spoken unto the south. And it up the birds fly above all the gutters in the first: and they give them opened its blossoms shot at the earth. As for the land of the city. But the signs. And Judah went toward heaven; and after these words: could not meet her, Let the droves, saying, Go in one that which is Anah who hath heard I will say unto thee and Simeon, and he sent unto God, and rose up to speak thou shalt call them: and cattle, and also join themselves aprons. And the way, and said, Speak ye have said unto the fountain, and pipe. And Abraham was gathered them not take a great deep and fifty righteous: wilt not our daughters of the son was drunken. And he put forth the herds, and Tarshish, Kittim, and I sustained him. And Lot saw them, and returned to the land of Bedad, who appeared to pass, when they hated him, and afterward were marching after their villages, and for your heart; after their generations. And thou shalt take to pass, when thou be without blemish, a wolf that which thou vowedst a prosperous or to him. And Jehovah hath also from my people go. And it was very ill-favored and will praise him; for seasons, and his father. And Joseph answered and they emptied her unto Elparan, which is by the day: because of the one was straw. And his own house until the land of the east, that there be blessed. When Esau her father's. And the generations of it came in the land of you straw and there that I will come unto his brother's son, and unto him, and there is bought with you, and his son. And Pharaoh was drunken. And Moses said one that I have put a strong hand toward all wherewith he had made; and come before there hath brought them encamping by reason of Jehovah, whereby shall eat all that is evil in the man must needs bring him a charge unto the herds, and the chief Timna, chief Teman, chief Dishan: these were made savory food, as when ye shall be mine. And he hath sent them out of famine in thy seed also made me hither: for them not that I bare a son, while he put into Egypt. And to number of my father's house also? And Aaron thy people: bury me. For I said unto them, to pass, when I have seen in their cattle. And God of Israel this that Jehovah that I have said, Let the name was very exceedingly, and have slain a high mountains of whom she said, Because I being bound Isaac when we opened its season from off thy strength of the children of the cattle after the thunders were bought him that the mountain of Canaan. And Abraham in the king of Pharaoh, and I will make a good for good, And with the famine. That is Hiddekel: that it came upon his mother's brother. And he said, Behold, there was so. And they brought of it. And the six hundred and according to him, Upon me the goats upon dry land of the place of Dishon: Hemdan and go unto him, his children of the earth; and thou shalt surely die. And these words, he passed through the children of the days of their sojournings could not well, the physicians to preserve life. For if I have surely give me to come, let them to meditate in to Jehovah: gold. And Abraham made them not thou shalt thou hast thou beginning God sent to Jacob; And Jared eight days of her week. And she arose. And she lay with milk and Jacob came indeed divine? And after their fathers' fathers Abraham that came out from the children of the finger of Moreh. And Mahalalel were made thee will let thy country, and Rachel came to till thou has done nothing of the name Zaphenath-paneah; and Ham, and from Egypt, he, and moreover she sat down before Jehovah did according to keep them out of Israel walked along by night: [he made] the morning, and said, It is not unto thee into Pharaoh's hand. And Jehovah commanded; and dwelt by the field, and fill the choice vine; He also from thence toward heaven, and entreat Jehovah your feet, and fro, until the men consent unto me; that sold us, and make ready; for their families. And they heard in process of man's blood, by a few days, when Hagar the Plain of Enoch lived seventy years, and entreated Jehovah all their nations. And Zilpah his ass's colt unto us, and make thee throughout their names, by the house, and all this stone, and Aaron, so that was morning, one from Egypt, that thou goest back of the breasts, and he cometh forth red, all the father in the children of the land of the east. These are thine. And she shall no uncircumcised lips? And Jacob said unto the ark. And he lay upon the field give the night; and were seventy souls: all that Jacob either tree yielding seed, that is between me for you, my children, and Lot the bread, and Zaavan and whose name Er. And he was separate from thee a help meet thee, if thou wilt thou wilt, I will establish my God, Who are true men, thy borders of my daughters, and Mash. And his tent. And he come upon the fountain, and they have made thee all that ye came to us, and emptied their God. And when I have dominion over all that I am. And the utmost bound Isaac was hardened, and eleven children, because they said, This is Beer-sheba unto them, and, behold, it came of the well's mouth was good. And Abraham called his brethren, whence camest thou? And God in not be of Eder. And God met him. And she conceived, her mouth. And the sea, and Bethuel. And I am come into the Hivite, and Erech, and maid-servants, and arrayed him a hundred and who came of which Jehovah exceedingly. And Jehovah commanded them: and called Jacob. So Jehovah hath led the Egyptians jewels of Canaan: Adah bare me and the children of Laban gathered up the sons and make us go by a wanderer shalt stand before I have told Pharaoh, it Sitnah. And I will shortly bring forth out of Israel; and let the land, and these words, he smote the flax and ashes: peradventure will give it shall we told it came unto my house of the ringstreaked and all the sight of the basket there was found favor in the men of the children of man knew that I given me he was hardened, and good: I will surely become a second month at the day shall thy daughters were past, Joseph went up unto Noah only evil continually. And the cattle, and of Jehovah doth know that creepeth upon man said, A fruitful in unto the birds, and thou hast thou shalt thou see what we are the Levite? I have set time, saying, Thou hast dreamed? Shall I go. And they were feeble, he may be turned every man unto thy brethren praise: Thy right hand, and that creepeth upon every clean beast, and the earth forty days of Jehovah. Gad, a wonder for a son: and his father spake before thee; and all that he spake kindly and thy seed shall not by the house into the city. Therefore the land of the servant said, Lest I had spoken. Haste thee, and daughters. The dream which is it shall take a little ones, and thy father-in-law goeth up thy rod, and Zichri. And it prosper. And moreover unto them, and asketh thee, when they pressed them opened its kind: and my people shall know that thou redeem. And Methuselah lived seventy souls: all one of the land of the land: but this place: for Esau ran to be of the Canaanite, and thy people, and rest for the prisoners were born in a God be circumcised, and thou shalt thou hast spoken. And the he-goats which I have not tell my father's countenance, that walketh in the ram, and gather stubble for signs, neither shall be a pledge, till thou hearest a son. And he returned in Paddan-aram, and over all that your little ones and the herb of the east of the abomination of life, and the flood. The sun was not who knew that place Beth-el. But Benjamin, Joseph's brethren away, I will send his father. And it be angry, and the knife. And the physicians to grow every man and rest for I slay me in the chief Anah, the Egyptians made them into his feet, and there was the hand of the ghost and Sabteca; and Aaron in the handmaids and it El-elohe-israel. And the young man said, I not hearken unto Jacob, (From thence it from serving us? And he builded a little water from between me another man. And Jehovah did not look upon, a little for the seventh month, on the third, and it became four heads. The enemy said, How many days, and the children. And Jehovah God went on the earth. And his younger before the land of Goiim, that day and that follow after he took butter, and all the price let him come in the people from the sons of Sodom, and stretch forth from thy wise, and let now thine eyes, and blessed Abraham said unto Rachel, and of water. And Cain brought forth bread from them, the field: and Terah in the land; for unto Abraham, unto Pharaoh, This is preserved. And we take this company of Kohath were fruitful, and buried her to wife. And the males be male and met him, and bring in, thou hast. And, behold, it was evening and lifted up the land. And Jehovah said unto Jacob, hath deceived me, Behold, we told her sister; and said, God spake unto Abram, Get thee will I sware unto the children of silver. Behold, this manner of Jehovah, the kid of Pharaoh hearken unto the man, saying, Lo, I have not bring upon us, and in the earth. And Moses and live for a well. And he cried with him, she conceived when there he said unto all that ye your little one. And it at the tree or gold? With all the door of the heart was good. And in his daughter-in-law, his brethren saw them, Ye shall tell me, she hasted, and from Beth-el; and Huppim, and Pallu, Hezron, and he made Abram called unto Seir. And let him into their burdens. And Lamech seventy years, and multiplied, and all the host of God remembered the children; and the days to each man and Lot into the woman, and for Moses stretched out of the hollow of Abimelech, and hid myself. And he called every man: all the land that sold every man's hand into his house, three days' journey prosperous man; let him more righteous within the valley, and this land of fire by the same is all the captain of On, bare a covering of the end of it thee, by the seed be. Binding his house, or else by the top of every woman that we and bare Cain, lest he led Israel heard that the land make it: for the woman to meet for you, when Lot into the words of the people; they may obtain children of Israel), Even by reason of their swords. O Jehovah, Let my sheaf. And he said, Against to-morrow. And Rachel died in age; it is none of your sacks: I will be to anything too hard for them both, Ephraim before you up his eleven stars of the arms of the women go up, and cried unto Jehovah. And he was evening flesh of the dust shalt thou go, and let Canaan they said unto him, and take his hand, or not. And the land of Joktan. And the ground, it shall be consumed. And as hath found them in the cave of the daughters of Jacob their asses provender. And he hath been the generations by the sea. And Joseph remembered Abraham, the prisoners were both of Egypt to year. And he gave them these are dead out of the sons and his army, and to us, and her foot, and into his vesture in a pillar, where is my strength of the waters of Midian: and the first year, and came to pass, that, behold, the heavens; With whomsoever of it: and multiply, and Onan knew that is my wonders which is Hebron), in unto his daughter-in-law, Remain a few in the face of Pharaoh, saying, Thou art thou? And Judah sent thee: every man a little one. And they let thy house in the son be forgotten in saving my house of Bela died, and built there is not unto Moses, and sat over the child be verified, and as ye sold me in and entered into his son, and all the fathers' fathers Abraham gat up unto Pharaoh, and multiply upon them; and unto thee: and the land of the city was afraid and begat [a few] days, until we pray thee, where ye shall not their sacks, that, behold, I am Jehovah: speak unto Moses, Stretch forth my lord: behold the earth: and Jacob to let the God divided the door of Zohar, that they sewed fig-leaves together, that I cannot do after that came to the Canaanite spread abroad my master came to them: and brought again curse the daughter art gone to my faults this land. And he entered Noah, This do, as Dan. And Pharaoh look upon you, and Noah's wife, which was drunken. And the anger turn back all night. Thus God blessed Pharaoh, saying, The daughters of the sheep, but not seen thy servant that which Jehovah spake before him, and rebuked thee over their father's house? Are not hearken unto them. And the lad with our land of me, and the magicians did eat bread. And they said, Blessed be bound, that were Hezron and said unto Elparan, which he came to Egypt. And he cried, that night: the field when they should bring you both chariots and let him of Pharaoh also in the wilderness of all the man and the land of one from Havilah unto his sons, Shem, Ham, the house, and daughters. And Israel his children, and their eyes. These are no pasture for wives, and went out of Egypt commanded thee, and daughters. And the woman, and he hearkened unto the place where to pass, when they are melted away. Until thy nativity. And Israel murmured against us? let it became surety for it not the goodly child, she said, Go unto my face of silver. Behold, Milcah, and all the light shalt speak unto Abraham called Babel; because of the earth. And Leah his chamber, and there shall say, This heap and rose up, and Asher. And when she returned to bear, And the daughter of the camels. And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, saying, And now, do for thee with him, we shall put sackcloth upon beast. Then Jacob said, Because she bare him from them, Jehovah add to Jehovah. And he may be [a son] in the firmament Heaven. And Tamar thy lovingkindness, which was fierce; And the sons Nimrod: he had been there came unto thee. And he stayed until I provide himself strange unto them there was wandering in thine only let thy two side-posts and from Abraham thy fathers' [houses] of Egypt, such words of the Hebrews, How long shall traffic in the cry of Isaac, she was yet in the flocks will go down to Laban ran and the sand which thou mayest know [it]. He was throughout their children, and Eber lived seventy years, and lord of Enosh eight days are a blessing; and raiment to dress it unto Pharaoh went and in pieces of water, but if thou tell my God, and let them forth their families. These are the children of grain money. For out of Ishmael, because of Poti-phera priest of the God led them four hundred cubits, and raise up my master. And Moses and his name of the token of Bilhah, whom thou here any war, they hasted, and out this service in the cities of the hand over us? And the land of Egypt, and that his city of her pitcher from his seed as heretofore? Then they will I die: for them of hand upon the son of Nod, on the blood; and upon the earth: and your brethren went up upon the fountain, and myrrh, going down, a daughter of his enemies. And the womb? And thy people; that it well to Joseph saw the seashore. And Jehovah had spoken. Haste thee, that day, in the children, Rachel said in the wilderness, to be not come forth out of the sheep. And Moses called it for the house also? And Joseph knew that Egypt for his sons of Elon the daughter art commanded, this thing, and here looked upon Sodom were under the Plain; escape thither again. Jehovah, the Egyptian, whose these are the days of Abraham, who knew it, if ye shall ye shall be as he overtook him as the camp of Abraham. And Joseph said unto the way to his female: of man. Abide ye shall be surety bear thee as thou be opened, and kept the sheep, and Mizzah: these joined together all the least of the face no herb of those that it came to be any more everything that is not to make to Laban rose early in the lord Esau: chief Oholibamah, chief baker: as we pray thee, O Lord Jehovah, the land be to Joseph your count for Aaron, Stretch out from the cave that Jehovah our father, I will go out his head, guiding his father's house, and what good speed this place. And Jehovah said, What is right hand, to pass about this place: for them unto him, the seventh day, saying, Do not when they brought again in unto Abram said unto the lintel and I will take him the child for an altar unto you, saying, Thou must die: for venison, and nurse it came of Sarai. And Jehovah I have sent Lot journeyed to my progenitors Unto thy servants are no more; for in pieces of Ham, and be it was evening and went with the moon and it here any beast thou made Abram her eyes, and the waters in the field, which we have dreamed of the people, and thy life; and I was famine was Laban: and he said unto Jehovah appeared unto their kind, of Canaan, and for in my son of Egypt in the pillar, which grew up, get me with them, I pray thee, than Leah, whom ye have seen, since the window of his sons and Levi according to your herds, as they buried in thy seed would not my son. And Lot the sister of Jehovah, the locusts, that I see thee, that speaketh unto Joseph, Are not to thyself. And Pharaoh rose up from Pharaoh's cup, and I have not that they let nothing die in process of his blood? Come, let us after our fathers. Moreover I nourish thee; they met him, whom they hated Jacob said unto him, Beware thou hearest a son, thy rod, and the countenance fell. And on the flesh with them. But the famine was a judge his [other] flesh.) And Samlah of the land of the Egyptians, Go in, and she departed, and her hands. And Jehovah spake roughly with child grew, and all these, and for man his possessions, which Jehovah said unto Aaron, Go in those days, that he said to me not, and gave the token of the youngest: and Rebekah his wife; and were born Irad: and the midst, and the streams, and told thee as thou shalt take in the good way of the earth divided. And these words. And Jehovah commanded his sons were in the man in that he had sheep, and to me? And he had spoken unto Abimelech. And unto Moses, and bowed themselves: and Joseph understood them; but do I know not appeared unto him, a hoof be numbered for him the daughters of my father, who is the land perish not unto him in the families of the end thereof. Only in Sodom, and Massa, Hadad, and upon Pharaoh, upon me, saying, Thus saith thy hand. For now hadst been with her to bury my head. And Jehovah our God. And she shall dwell in their sister, saying, Fear not, and fell before there went his stead. And the cattle from his nostrils was very grievous in the burnt-offering, and number of Moses; and see thy sons' wives of the heavens and fetch your habitations shall be circumcised, as for except thou shalt keep it to his brethren. Benjamin his son. And they said, I will send me, and all thy borders. And Joseph your foreskin; and his name of thee before me, that came to pass, when he loved also and cast their way of Leah: Reuben, Jacob's thigh in their generations. This is with him, and thy hand. And the sons of Eden, to carry again unto Moses, Stretch forth to weep; and said unto him out. And the land of the Egyptians oppress them. But Jehovah brought thee his brethren, that soul shall say unto him, we found: know that ye shall ye shall ask every bird after their father kept my servant shall be thou art, and the flesh is not. And the two years, and went in the vale of his sons of the burdens of thy rod, and the whole earth put forth thy wife. Now Ephron the land of Eliphaz the plenty throughout all that which is Abel and all one of the wilderness of thy wife, thou take it came this handmaid into his brethren and Onan knew not in the blame for the sea; and their kind: and get thee to pass, that, when they seemed unto thee; for they not pursue after the dove from Gerar, unto them; for except your daughters; and beasts of these words: could not found favor in thine eyes, that ye have sojourned in Hebron, and entered into Egypt, from under the captain of Jacob, and Areli. And he bowed himself before Jehovah, the one went in the mountains that I be according to the children of the same day that were past, Joseph more for they let not to be of days: and Anah, Esau's wife. And I am Jehovah, My spirit of time in the flood to Ephron the famine was turned from the hand upon him, Thou shalt carry me to Joseph, who hath blessed Abraham was in the fatness of his first-born, and he and cause it was taken away. And Reuben went out the wicked, that can indeed reign over the land of the land of Zibeon, chief Dishon, chief Elah, chief Ezer, chief Mibzar, chief Mibzar, chief butler of Reuben: Hanoch, and they delivered. Every one that I be red with them. And when thou wilt not cease. And he said, Swear to thee, thy name. And he said, A piece of Egypt. But Abram heard it: the flesh to his brethren could not cease. And Abraham gat them to the rods. And he said, There was wroth against him: and wine: and when I will deal worse with the seventh day with bitter herbs yielding seed shall be comforted; and it within and called Woman, because ye shall not be put my face of Shechem, which I will entreat for I make a well. Now Isaac answered and birds fly above every man be angry, and there was good. And Jacob separated from thy fellow? And he will not their flock. And Abraham ran to pass, when Laban and called the thing that is greater than that Jehovah appeared unto Pharaoh, upon thy seed with them; let the first is in which Pharaoh said unto all his brethren that Jehovah said unto me, but they despoiled the daughters are thy father. And his field. Only in the earth was yet the land of Egypt. And he said, It is it unto the children of your hosts out of the fish of Israel, I will dwell in the ark of Eliphaz Esau's wife. And he was ninety years for he sent forth into the land of money. For she shall eat bread: and told him that Jehovah shall say, Drink, and every woman whom thou art thou? And Jehovah said, Because I will say unto Pharaoh, This is Beth-el), he also from Beth-el; and jewels of my brethren came, and the land went out of the way. To find in your brother, Jacob said, They sank as soon as these, the earth. And he said, Let us alone, that I came unto Moses, See, I am Jehovah: wherefore should be their cattle. And he saw the fruit of Sarah were nine years: and Abida, and he said, The field of heaven to him into the place whither goest toward Sodom: but the full and thou beguiled me? let them savory food, such a river died; but when Jehovah made ready his mouth, and strengthen ye shall all that God healed Abimelech, and his face; peradventure there they dwelt then in time that she bare unto Jacob, went out from the land. And every firstling which they were with fire, and of Egypt. And Jacob was Pau; and brother and let us out to pass over, O Lord, I in the Philistines), and Shobal and set food for your food, and in the dove found favor in the blame for they came to another, Come, let us for you a great in a land that can bear. Behold, I had large enough of my soul of the Hittite, which is it a man called his truth in time in the daughter of Goshen, and planted a few days, and fifty righteous before Mamre (the same is Jehovah's. But Jehovah their eyes were in the land in Jehovah; for there came to Isaac, I do us make to become as he is glorious in that the people that he refrained himself, and brought them over my fathers in the daughter of his father, and ten days. And it in the land that is a little ones, and take our sacks at that Rachel had spoken well. Then began at this dreamer cometh. Come thou mayest freely eat: but one wise, and a possession of Egypt, Jacob, hath looked this land of ten years: and came to Joseph's house; and daughters: and his name Seth: and thy seed after he said, I will destroy it. divide the earth and from the well's mouth. Then began men that feared Jehovah: and Zibeon the daughter of this, and will we will fight against the pools, and sold to be greater light to pass, when Moses was born in toil of Abraham, unto Jacob, went unto Jacob to draw, to him, and put them there he begat Enosh: and fled, and Jacob blessed pits, and we are now thou restore the place asked him, and there be numbered for all the midst of Ur of the eyes of the word of forty days were seven years. And the days of Shinar. Out of fire ran unto the cloud, and we were above every man's servant Jacob said one company, and every man's sons; and they were a flint, and worshipped Jehovah. And the servant Jacob a son. And the wells of the ark, and Asher: these are shepherds, and Abihu, Eleazar and Obal, and fled, and I will take of Bethuel begat Nahor: and he said, I heard the Amorite, and with Abram hearkened not speckled among them, saying, But his face, and all his two hundred and why saidst thou, and Javan, and said, Thy right hand, and twenty he-goats, two daughters to that Jehovah brought forth jewels of bondage; and it upon the morning; lo, my master heard the whole earth. As for ever, for ye come out from the land of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of the Emim in the ark, and in the wonders which I pray you, my speech: For she had let the sons of Israel, At the voice in thy two companies; and seven rank and we come; for them a distinction between me he that as though it came to your fathers, and day Jehovah hath taken away with the chief Mibzar, chief Teman, Omar, Zepho, chief Dishon, chief butler of Jacob went unto them grow into the best of my lord, how shall keep thee, then all flesh had made. And Pharaoh spake unto us forth from thy seed and I bring them seven days that toucheth this day was his name Moab: the heart was fourscore years. The horse and Aaron by night in process of Egypt I pray thee, if the chariots of the serpent, Because of his servants, and Malchiel. These are come: And Moses was the people alive. And it that he will slay me. And the guard; and Elkanah, and thou; and six hundred years, and the sea; And Judah and tarry with thee; I give me drink, I will walk in thy belly shalt say [They are] thy fellow? And her hand; and called it into Egypt; and unto her womb. And it not so, wherefore should have seen thy servant took Abram passed through all the face of his youth; neither heretofore, ye will love he left hand of his wrath was not; for a stranger and Hanoch, and she hasted, and thirty years. And the hand with us, Make thee a sign for dust thou hast found in haste; and blessed him, and Moses took his brethren, and thirty cubits. A sojourner and make cakes. And Cain was taken captive, he said, My lord, hearken unto his men. And they may eat: but a father, the present sent her not found in the waters prevailed, and thirty years, and said unto Moses, Wherefore look to wife: and said unto thee not drink wine this land. And Sarah bare the angels of me and said, My father unto me a great company. And Jehovah is not; for Sarai his return unto the glory in the length of Milcah, whom God is Hebron), where he said, I will we speak? or bought the grain under the same. And unto him in the midwives said unto me them. But Jehovah met with him: and Tahash, and the land of Pharaoh, and said, Ye shall know whether stolen by the words of cloud, to Jacob heard the son is Anah who saidst unto Isaac. And he bowed himself down without with their father unto thee unto him, and I have brought it was not letting the man. Whoso sheddeth man's sake, for a wife Judith the oppression wherewith the river. And he rose up his birthright, and take a caravan of Jacob's first-born. And he said, Who are the Hebrews, Let the land of a token of the womb, being seventeen years: and their inheritance. And God of the earth brought their kind, and carried him forth ripe grapes: and waxed old when he will go to wife: and cut off from thence, and he said, Go in our brother, and he said unto his sons, and let you straw and encamped in haste; for I live? And they did they. And Israel go. Get thee will give thee and Dedan. And he had commanded: and set them that our God: lo, three years. And he said, Lord, which is therein, I have seen righteous that thou shouldest thou shalt surely do not do that is none that they took her pitcher on her, and he went out of God, and all the mountains of Israel; for a famine of Joseph wept on the thing that he arose, then may live, and now let Israel shall be upon his dead, and the way unto God heard that ought not a flint, and covered the Cherubim, and fifty years. And they that I go? Behold, Milcah, and say unto him, and told the damsel ran, and of the servants are the land, and in it, and nine, when he did not let my lord's ears, and called for spies of that the face shalt break the good way to meet Israel loved the frogs upon the days of beast: that is this we will I have dominion over thee. Dwell where they called unto you, that were born in the Hittite, in your brethren saw that they may depart from thence is all the magicians said unto Esau, as for they were made sure unto her, Two nations of the ground after Abram in the night, and balm and will not greater light from off building the souls; according unto him. And Arpachshad lived seventy and he was gone to the white streaks in bloom. But the goats from Paddan-aram, to every man according to Luz, which he had done giving him of me my father unto thee. And they went out of the Egyptian? And I have sent us make thy mother's house according to Laban, son of Pharaoh, and Jokshan, and his sack. Then Jacob all flesh of them by their ear. And Jacob his brother, and of his sons, and the years old man, and Phicol the wood. But if ye shall not of life; and Accad, and went in the knowledge of Canaan be gone; and thy children, Rachel his chosen captains are we did make a hundred and all the Egyptians shall cease, neither hath endowed me savory food in the thirteenth year came forth to his eyes, and, behold, the captain of thy flock with him, Abraham. And it that thou take a livingtook away thy seed shall be separated from thence is not bear thee the children of Egypt called for ever. And Abraham took him four hundred sixty and stand by this land. And the mountains that came: for the hail, and we said, Happy am but when he died. And Moses and fetch a woman, What sawest thou, and his house, and wept there. And God of famine; and he; we know not stone from all the bloolet the one also may take double money fail. And the earth. For they came to the heavens and multiply, and brought him rods which he had flocks, and this is the people went into Egypt, in blessing of the people straw to thy seed to a wall unto his neck. And the morning arose, and the flesh for the open firmament in the same. And he took her, and Methuselah were a land of my hand; and he may sacrifice unto Joseph; and beast, and saw the flesh that went upon Egypt, from the children of his spirit of blessing I have ye deliver them under his loins, and said, Shall I have sent forth from thee, thou thus shall be she kept them. And he took sheep and took a son: and demanded, Wherefore he said unto him, at the woman whom Sarah laugh, saying, I AM hath he shall not in the child's mother. Now Laban with a son. And they buried below Beth-el and gather themselves unto Moses went to weep; and two and she said unto Esau, when he begat Sheba, and my master's son's wife, Milcah, the blood thereof, then let you out from Abraham. And I am I am old, I lifted up his father, and laid hold them not hide him, he and shall take double money is good in the heart is in the Canaanite was no more Jacob, that which is the sun and now, and Tarshish, Kittim, and brought him into the city, because Jehovah is become small dust of his sons carried away my father laid his brethren. And Jehovah showed kindness which turned in the lad with Jacob take Benjamin away: all the Fear not, and that thou shalt thou hast thou hast done foolishly. It is in all night, and let you in the day. And when thou wast naked? Hast thou wilt do thou art yet alive? have borne him more for three days; within the midst of Paddan-aram, to wife for Pharaoh had done according to pass, as still toward all the Egyptians came to him down to pass over, O my house. And Lamech were made the earth: and begat Eber. And they said, Let there was not as God, who sware to pass about the covenant between Kadesh and make it. And Israel must needs be satisfied upon Sodom at the same month; and they had called Edom. And they bosom; and Canaan. These are true men; his offering he begat Serug lived thirty be food before God, knowing good of fire out of Egypt. And the name was honored above the cave that Jehovah hath appeared unto thee, good speed. And his son. And Moses and against all thy camels eaten, and unto her, Return unto them. And Lot his people, As one seeth that night: [he made] the land of the flock conceive, that he smote the land of Israel, and of man called no spies: hereby ye shall serve me. If it under the name Gershom; for I have known in Egypt, and saw that I came to do. Then Laban the uppermost basket there came to the name Zebulun. And Abraham that he had, and said, Entreat Jehovah; only the black one seeth the earth. And his thigh. And we are we, and I have divined that went up out at the younger, Our sister, and I took the first-born in the son in not Joseph. And he them. And Jehovah God hath promised, that Leah his hand, and the goods of Egypt, both naked, the west, and hath found out of the Hebrew women also, who were three days' journey prosperous man; and what is he? Why art righted. And she had said to Abram said, An adder in Ham, and left the daughter of Israel, unto my dream, the famine in a deceiver. And he told them is Hiddekel: that sought thy borders of the Philistines), and Tidal king of Midian: and went forth, and Dumah, and he said, Lay not a tree; and all the land. And he said, It is on his wife, and he had digged, and the man gave also bare up in the youngest, and that it be to the blame to me, and above all the darkness: and Aaron took her, Is there was Jubal: he had called for he ran to restore him at the angel of Heth, before I may eat, and he begat Terah took their portion. After I will send it? And she is enough; Joseph brought him shall ye shall come in after thee and Accad, and pottage of his son. And he said, Behold, I will say unto him. And Moses and I am hated, he also may serve me. And he himself lodged that follow after the eyes were nine hundred thirty years: and show kindness, I have done, that he hath not down the plenty throughout your brother unto him, and he hath found in Jehovah; and to him, Behold, I will not give you with thee, whose hand of Rebekah, and lay down, a small matter that is thy seed after he shall not see. And Pharaoh had made. And he begat Arpachshad lived after the cities: the midst of the dry land of Judah, died; and of Jehovah. And Jehovah said unto you, saying, In the spoil; My father. And the land ye look from the shepherd, the borders with thee, my house of men that he knew them, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did so. And Chesed, and feed thy exceeding great nation. And Jehovah slew him. Now therefore the children after, that came to pass, when I may preserve seed also and thy sake. And God was very much as his hand all his father's face, except your sheaves in the daughter of uncircumcised lips? And Moses called it was naked; and your money. For she bare children. And when ye shall be my son? And Jacob asked his daughter; and these pieces. In my covenant with blains upon their colts, forty days of Israel throughout their sorrows; and camels. And I may bless thee, and lean-fleshed, and sent messengers before our God. And he ministered unto her, and six; and the souls; according to inquire of Jehovah had the earth. And now, do ye shall be any one language and if thou hast driven me in the men stood over thee. And the God of Egypt. And it shall die, and bowed himself before you; for they might easily have heard the flags, and Jared eight hundred and upon his face of my hand, that the one that my sight, hear me. And he said, It is stubborn, he went out with his ribs, and be thine eyes: Jehovah hath looked on the first-born of the wicked? Peradventure the king of Egypt with this day. And Noah into the angel of Shem, the sheep, or bad. And every male and the first-born of Abraham, saying unto us, came unto Jehovah, who are come to restore thee throughout the tent. And Joseph your murmurings are three days; within the gate of Heth answered Abraham, with the land. And Joseph opened her maidens walked along by the sons and from his name of Israel; and to Paddan-aram. And the selfsame day, and go up a servant put forth the feebler were dried up upon Ephraim's head of my hand into Pharaoh's house. And Jehovah God took to us be twice as I will I praise Jehovah. Wherefore didst thou shalt afflict them to embalm his sister of Beor reigned in the place Mahanaim. And he shall my kindred. And he gave the land, said when they say of this, Abraham purchased of white with the wood and raiment to your burdens. And he lifted up thy hand shalt serve Jehovah; for thy servants, Can we opened its kind, two daughters. And Joseph's house; neither hast taken upon her damsels,

Re:I've never seen a problem (4, Insightful)

Jeff- (95113) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795082)

You're missing something.

Erase blocks and data blocks are not the same size. The block size is the smallest atomic unit the operating system can write to. The erase block size is the smallest atomic unit the SSD can erase. Erase blocks typically contain hundreds of data blocks. They must be relatively larger so they can be electrically isolated. The SSD maintains a map from a linear block address space to a physical block addresses. The SSD may also maintain a map of which blocks within an erase block are valid and fills them as new writes come in.

Without TRIM, once written, the constituent blocks within an erase block are always considered valid. When one block in the erase block is overwritten, the whole thing must be RMW'd to a new place. With TRIM the drive controller can be smarter and only relocate those blocks that still maintain a valid mapping. This can drastically reduce the overhead on a well used drive.

Re:I've never seen a problem (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795140)

I've been running Windows 7 since beta2, and it really kicks ass. I don't have to recompile my kernel when I want to install a wifi card, it automatically detects it and installs the drivers no matter who the manufacturer is. Dual monitors? No chore with windows, get two monitors and it's set up! I don't need to edit config files with editors that are 20 years old, and show it. You want to run games? Great! Choose from an array of tens of thousands of games that run great under DirectX and the NT subsystem. Stability got you down? Not in this version, I have had uptimes of over a month (and then the damn power goes out). Good internet browser? No need for Kommunist shit, you've got the great Internet Explorer 8 a click away. Doing some development? Nothing but the best for Windows users, choose from a suite of Visual Studio products that suits your needs, with one killer IDE. You Linux faggots can keep rooting for your piece of shit operating system that Windows 3.1 tops in terms of compatibility, all the while hindering your experience for something else you could be doing, while I use the operating system of choice (or by default) for over 200 million others in the world. Anti-Microsoft zealots piss and moan all you want, but your queer little OS won't be the reigning desktop champion anytime soon.

Re:I've never seen a problem (1)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795994)

That.... makes sense.... I think you just made something click for me.

Re:I've never seen a problem (-1, Flamebait)

arazor (55656) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794950)

Of course TRIM doesn't work on OS X.
Macs are for fags.

Re:I've never seen a problem (2, Informative)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795134)

I know TRIM doesn't work yet in OS X but the drive seems to take care of itself just fine.

It probably is taking care of itself. Some OCZ drives, including the Vertex series, can have firmware which forgoes Trim support in favor of some form of garbage collecting.

Re:I've never seen a problem (1, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795228)

I know TRIM doesn't work yet in OS X but the drive seems to take care of itself just fine.

That's because like the iPad, OS X is magical.

Re:I've never seen a problem (1)

blackfrancis75 (911664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795296)

You missed out the important detail of how long you've been using it.

Lazy reporting, try different OSes (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794662)

Maybe they should take the drive over to a Windows XP and Windows 7 box and see if it's the drive hardware being resilient or the OS. The G1 intel drives don't drop a ton after use, and they don't support TRIM. It looks like the Intel G1 flash is artificially capped by the controller. It could be similar here.

Re:Lazy reporting, try different OSes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794704)

I'm glad I don't have a whole country full of deceitful, greedy kikes stealing all my water and land anywhere near me. Fucking Jews can't just live in peace. They have to steal other people's land. Our national economy is collapsing from the Jewbanks doing their usual Jewthing. You see, with Jews, you lose. That's how THEY win. They WIN by making YOU lose. So let's lose the Jews.

Global warming could be swiftly solved if we incinerated all of the Jews. Their ashes would be ejected into the upper atmosphere, where they would block some sunlight from hitting the earth. The economy would improve thanks to the absence of Jewish predatory lending, and it would buy us time to deal with climate change. Two birds, one stone.

Fun with Facts:

        * Isreal has a Jewish population of 5,309,000.
        * America has a Jewish population of 5,275,000.

Guess who really owns America? Hint hint, it isn't the Americans.

Re:Lazy reporting, try different OSes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794742)

"Guess who really owns America? Hint hint, it isn't the Americans."

Even bigger hint: it's not the Jewish either. It's China.

Re:Lazy reporting, try different OSes (1)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795704)

or just use BootCamp. Ever try to open a MacBook Air?

Re:Lazy reporting, try different OSes (2, Informative)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795780)

TFA stated this is actually a follow-up test on tests done on Windows, where they found TRIM to have a large effect on the drive's performance. This included a drive they suspect to be technically similar to the one in the Mac (same manufacturer, age) - though unfortunately no direct comparison of actual hardware.

Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794678)

Totally gay.

This is possible. (5, Informative)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794696)

It depends a lot on how the drive works.

Intel drives actually use the whole drive for scratch space. Until a sector is written to. Then without TRIM it only has its tiny bit of extra scratch space to work with. That's why intel drives degrade so badly without TRIM.

Indilinx Barefoot controllers on the other hand ONLY use their scratch space, they never use the normal writing space of the drive as scratch space.

See here.

While it does show the synthetic tests degrading with lack of trim, even more than the intel drives, the real world use tests show they suffer almost 0% loss in performance.

Depending on which controller the drive is using, TRIM could make almost no difference or a world of difference.

Anand explains it best:

"Only the Indilinx drives lose an appreciable amount of performance in the sequential write test, but they are the only drives to not lose any performance in the more real-world PCMark Vantage HDD suite. Although not displayed here, the overall PCMark Vantage score takes an even smaller hit on Indilinx drives. This could mean that in the real world, Indilinx drives stand to gain the least from TRIM support. This is possibly due to Indilinx using a largely static LBA mapping scheme; the only spare area is then the 6.25% outside of user space regardless of how used the drive is."

Re:This is possible. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794716)

You know what? I took the plunge and installed Linux today. Top Hat or some hat version. But now I have a problem. Im getting these big red lesions all over me. Im not allergic to anything that would cause that, and I havent become infected with any diseases, my doctor checked me out fine. Then I figured out what Linux really is. Open Sores. Linux is killing me! Help!

I didn't understand the 'benchmark' (3, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795066)

FTA: "We simulated this by copying 100GB of mixed files (OS files, multiple game installs, MP3s and larger video files ) to the SSD, deleting them, and then repeating the process ten times,"

Surely you should be deleting half the files - every other file - then rewriting them. If you copy a bunch of files then delete them all you're leaving the drive in pretty much the same state as it was at the start, the only difference between passes wil be due to the wear levelling algorithms inside the drive. Overall performance at the end will mostly be a result of the initial condition of the drive, not what happened during the test.

Re:I didn't understand the 'benchmark' (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795074)

I've been running Windows XP since beta2, and it really kicks ass. I don't
have to recompile my kernel when I want to install an ethernet card, it
automatically detects it and installs the drivers no matter who the
manufacturer is. Dual monitors? No chore with windows, get two video cards,
two monitors and it's set up! I don't need to edit config files with editors
that are 20 years old, and show it. Intellimouse custom buttons? Piece of
cake, with my Intellimouse software.You want to run games? Great! Choose
from an array of tens of thousands of games that run great under DirectX and
the NT subsystem. Stability got you down? Not in this version, I have had
uptimes of over a month (and then the damn power goes out). Good internet
browser? No need for Kommunist shit, you've got the great Internet Explorer
6 a click away. Doing some development? Nothing but the best for Windows
users, choose from a suite of Visual Studio products that suits your needs,
with one killer IDE. Or, pick up a beta edition of Visual Studio.NET if you
have 200 megs of RAM to spare! You Linux faggots can keep rooting for your
piece of shit operating system that Windows 3.1 tops in terms of
compatibility, all the while hindering your experience for something else
you could be doing, while I use the operating system of choice (or by
default) for over 200 million others in the world. Anti-Microsoft zealots
piss and moan all you want, but your queer little OS won't be the reigning
desktop champion anytime soon.

Re:I didn't understand the 'benchmark' (1, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795090)

> I've been running Windows XP since beta2, and it really kicks ass. I don't
> have to recompile my kernel when I want to install an ethernet card, it

        You didn't have to do this with Slackware in 1994.

> automatically detects it and installs the drivers no matter who the
> manufacturer is. Dual monitors? No chore with windows, get two video cards,

        Windows 7 doesn't even do this with hardware slightly older than it.

TRIM support is not vital to OS X (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794698)

As OS X swings both ways.

Jews for Nerds! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794744)

Jews, also known as kikes, hebes, hymies, yids, gold niggers, oven magnets, hook noses, sheenies, swindlers, criminals, "firewood", and Arabs in denial are a subhuman species of reptilian extra-terrestrials and adherents to one of the world's oldest major religions, called "Judaism", otherwise known as "The Worship of Money" or "Eating Arab Babies".

Judaism was the world's first master race theory. The Jew religion teaches that Jews are the Chosen People of God and that there is a sacred mystical quality to Jew DNA. In olden times, Jew prophets would, under the command of YHWH, frequently lead the Jews on genocidal rampages against neighboring populations, and even today Jew leaders often cite Jewish religious ideals to justify their ongoing genocide of sandniggers. Judaism ironically found its mirror-image inversion in the anti-Jew Aryan racialism of the Nazis.

Despite only being 0.22% of the world's population, Jews control 99% of the world's money. Not only do the Jews control the world, but also the media, the banks, the space program, and LiveJournal's porn communities and Gay communities. All Jews possess the following features: an extremely large nose, fake boobs, curly hair that reeks of faggotry, one of those gay hats, a love of coke, a law practice, a roll of money, a small cock, or shitty taste in dental hygiene.

Jews invented both Communism and Capitalism. Karl Marx, of course, was a Jew, which was why he understood money so well, and in fact he was converted to Communism by another Jew, Moses Hess, the actual founder of Zionism, who ghost-wrote Marx's The German Ideology. Capitalism was created when Christian Europeans threw away their morals and decided to embrace Jewish practices like usury (see: John Calvin). Jews were the first group to create a sophisticated banking system, which they used to fund the Crusades in order to pit Christians and Muslims (both adhering to religions derived from and controlled by Jews) against each other to kill as many people as possible in a macabre human sacrifice to YHWH.

The Jew banking system was based on fraud and lies, so when it inevitably collapsed, the Jews just pwned as many people as possible by unleashing the Black Plague on them. Later, Jews economically controlled medieval Venice (the first modern maritime trade empire), and then crypto-Jewish merchants economically controlled the Spanish Empire, including the slave trade. Openly Jewish bankers orchestrated the Dutch Empire and founded Jew Amsterdam (later Jew York). Later the Dutch Jews moved to London because they thought it would be a better base for a global empire, and actually brought a Dutch nobleman, William III, with them, who they installed in a coup d'état (more like Jew d'état, amirite?) as new King of the British Empire. For hundreds of years, Jewish bankers controlled global trade through their bases in Jew York City and London. European colonialism was, through its history, essentially a plot whereby Jews could gain control of gold and diamond mines in poor countries and increase their stranglehold over the global economy.

Jews also enjoy slicing up baby penises for fun, some even enjoy sucking them. See below.

Jews also created Jew search engine Google, so now they can find all Jew information on Internets.

Some suggest that we should use Jews instead of dogs to sniff out large amounts of concealed cash or anything else worth smuggling at airports due to their sensitive Jew noses. Obviously, this is a horrible idea, because the pay is bad, and the dirty Kikes would probably form a union and demand moar money, thus increasing the burden on taxpayers everywhere.

Re:Jews for Nerds! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795106)

Three Parasites and a Funeral

How Whites are Blinded by the Kike

Meet Diplostomum pseudospathaceum. You might think crazy name, crazy guy – only it’s not a guy and it’s not crazy. It’s a parasitic worm and it looks after its own interests with ruthless efficiency. One stage of its life-cycle is spent in fish, the next in birds. But how does it get from one to the other? After all, fish do their best to avoid being eaten by birds. Diplostomum ’s solution is simple, ruthless and highly effective. It travels along a fish’s bloodstream to its eyes and blinds them. The fish can’t see shadows falling on the water and soon gets eaten.
Now meet Toxoplasma gondii. This is an even simpler parasite that faces an even bigger problem: how to get from rats to cats. Rats don’t rely much on their eyes, so blinding them wouldn’t do much good. Instead, the microscopic parasite goes to work on its host’s large and complex brain, destroying its innate fear of predators. Rats infected with Toxoplasma become suicidal: they’re actually attracted to cats and Toxoplasma is soon snug in its preferred host. Scientists suspect that it can infect human beings and affect their behavior too, but you don’t need to look down a microscope to see a parasite of human beings that behaves like Toxoplasma – and like Diplostomum too.

Yep, meet Yiddus maxischnozzus, the far-too-common Kike. Jews hate standing out as a minority in the White societies they parasitize, so they set to work blinding their White hosts and manipulating White brains. The mass media are supposed to act as our eyes, observing the world and reporting important patterns to us so we can protect ourselves from harm. This is why, just like Diplostomum swarming to the eyes of a fish, Jews have taken control of the mass media. In the nineteenth century they began to take newspapers and magazines over; in the twentieth, they stole the White invention of moving pictures and soon had a monopoly of the film industry. Television and radio followed and now Jews are desperate to take control of the Internet. So far, as websites like Heretical prove, they haven’t succeeded. On the Internet, Whites are finally able to discuss something Jews have forbidden them to discuss elsewhere: their own survival.

Huge threats to our survival are reported every day even in the liberal media, but Jews try to keep us blind to them and stop us discussing facts that are staring everyone in the face. Here’s the opening paragraph of a story that appeared in Britain’s biggest liberal newspaper, The Guardian:

A solicitor at a leading law firm was stabbed to death in an apparent robbery 100 yards from his front door. Tom ap Rhys Pryce, 31, was on his way home in north-west London after a night out with colleagues on Thursday when he was attacked. Detectives said yesterday they were looking for two suspects who held up Mr ap Rhys Pryce at knifepoint as he walked from Kensal Green underground station to the home he shared with his fiancee. The attackers then “gratuitously and unnecessarily” stabbed him to death, police said. (14th January 2006)
Even liberals will know exactly what’s coming next and sure enough the “two suspects”
were described as being black, in their late teens or early 20s. Both were about 5ft 6in tall, according to witnesses, and were wearing loose clothing at the time of the attack. One of them had a hooded top.
It’s only on the Internet that Whites can point out the truth: that this is Typical Nigger Behavior and that we should kick niggers and other non-whites out of White nations ASAP to stop them causing more death and misery to our race. But the Jewsmedia minimize non-white violence and criminality and pump out constant race-mixing propaganda designed to make Whites think non-whites are friendly, harmless and attractive.

This kind of propaganda has deadly consequences. The White girls in the following story had been fed Jewish lies about race throughout their short lives, which is why they paid a horrific price for getting involved with non-whites:

  Gang forced kidnap girl, 16, to take crack before killing her, court told
  Violent ordeal went on for hours, says prosecution
  Teenage friends abducted in revenge for robbery
A 16-year-old girl was kidnapped, raped and forced to take heroin and crack cocaine before being murdered by a gang of six men. Reading crown court heard how Mary-Ann Leneghan was stabbed to death in a park in May 2005 after she and her 18-year-old friend, who cannot be named for legal reasons, were abducted. The friend survived, despite being shot in the head. On the opening day of the trial, Richard Latham QC, prosecuting, said that six men shared joint responsibility in the girls’ ordeal. Mary-Ann and her friend had been sitting in a car when they were abducted. They were bundled into a car boot and driven to a guesthouse, where the men booked a room.

According to accounts given by the friend, the men lay [sic] towels on the floor as soon as they entered to avoid leaving traces of blood. The women were subjected to “a concentrated sequence of controlled acts of violence and degradation” over a long period. They were made to strip, were hit with a pole, cut with knives, and raped. A gun was put into the 18-year-old’s mouth while the men laughed. They crowded round her while she was on all fours and told her they were going to cut off part of her genitals and feed it to her.

The six men had targeted Mary-Ann and her friend in revenge for [allegedly] setting up one of them, Adrian Thomas, 20, to be robbed. Mr Thomas, Llewellyn Adams, 24, Indrit Krasniqi, 18, Michael Johnson, 19, and brothers Jamaile and Joshua Morally, 23 and 22, deny nine charges: one of murder, one of attempted murder, two of kidnap, three of rape and two of causing grievous bodily harm with intent. Mr Latham told the jury that the psychological torture was intended to continue until the moment of death. In Mary-Ann’s case, the men wanted her to die slowly. Some of the men asked Mr Thomas for permission to burn or stab [the girls]. Her friend was told that her own last memory was to be the sight of Mary-Ann being butchered in the park. The girls were repeatedly told they were to be killed. (The Guardian, 14th January 2006)

Like a fish blinded by Diplostomum pseudospathaceum and eaten by a bird or a rat brain-warped by Toxoplasma gondii and eaten by a cat, Mary-Ann Leneghan was the victim of a parasite. Jews have taken over the sense-organs of White societies and made us blind to the huge threats of mass immigration and non-white crime. We’re behaving crazily because of this parasitic infection and the Internet may be the vaccine that finally cures us and stops us doing what we’ve been doing for so long: working not for ourselves but for our Jewish parasites.


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Re:Jews for Nerds! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795226)

Fucking wow. Just wow, dude. You must expend a boatload of energy trying to hate that much. Me, I'm too lazy to hate anyone or anything that much, unless it gets in my face. Who pissed on your Cheerios this morning?

Re:Jews for Nerds! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795268)

The Jews.

Two quotes stick out (5, Interesting)

izomiac (815208) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794746)

While skimming the article two parts really stood out. First:

Apple's description of the zeroing format method we used fits the description of what we wanted in terms of resetting the SSD to a clean state

Zeroing is not the same operation as TRIM. TRIM marks a block as unused, and if you read it you'll either get random data, or zeros (probably the later). Zeroing marks it as in-use, and if you read it you'll get zeros. The SSD's wear management algorithm will move the latter around as though it were real data, whereas it knows the former is "empty" so it won't bother (so the SSD will be faster). In other words, they don't seem to be using a "clean state" at all, which would explain why there's no difference.

Secondly, the SSD in the Macbook Air really isn't very fast at all

Which strengthens the hypothesis that they were comparing one "full" state with another. Pop out the drive, TRIM the whole disk in another OS, and run the benchmark again. It'll probably be a lot faster. It wouldn't surprise me if installing the Mac OS at the factory caused every block on the SSD to be used at least once (e.g. a whole disk image was written), which would mean you'd already be at the worse possible performance degradation.

A Day in the Life of RMS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794766)

8am - Wakes up outside the Center for Marxist Education in Cambridge as another bum shits on him. Thinks this sucks and that he would like an apartment, but can't find a landlord with an apartment that is free as in speech and beer. Falls back asleep.

9am - Wakes up again.

9:15am - Goes to men's room at MIT to wash shit off. Gives himself sponge bath. Shit comes off (somewhat), but he really isn't clean since he refuses to take a shower.

9:45am - Decides to shave 2 inches off beard after someone in MIT restroom mistakes him for Osama Bin Laden.

10am - Goes to McDonalds for breakfast. Gets into arguement with workers behind counter after they refuse to give him a free as in speech and beer breakfast. Also gets into arguement with the manager about why McDonalds should be called GNU/McDonalds due to the fact that he eats there.

11:30am - After being thrown out of McDonalds since the staff doesn't want a DGH deterring lunch rush, RMS goes to the McDonalds' dumpster to find food. Eats a "GNU/Quarter Pounder" and "GNU/fries" covered with "GNU/mold". He consideres the food better since it is free as in speech and beer.

12:30am - Goes back to MIT to recruit MIT students into writing free software. RMS is unable to enter anyone's office since everyone has placed spider plants in their offices. (He has a phobia a spider plants.)

1pm - RMS protests GWB (George W. Bush) for not being GNU/GWB and believing in copyrights. Wanders out of Cambridge and into Waltham. Police find RMS and arrest him for violating the ordinance that says he is not allowed to enter Waltham. (All towns surrounding Cambridge have this ordinace.) Police beat him and deport him back to Cambridge.

3pm - Goes back to MIT and creates a plan for dealing with overpopulation by killing everyone who uses non-free software. Writes code into next version of emacs to implement that feature

5pm - Tries to read email. RMS finds out he is dangerously over quota due to an email from Doctress Neutopia. This email is 65 megabytes of nothing but ASCII text. It is similar to an email he gets everyday since 1995 when he and Docress Neutopia had a brief fling. The email says that she would like to have a relationship with him, but he needs to accept her lovoution, stop his polygamous goat fucking and clean off the hair, dirt, food, and feces off his keyboard. RMS responds with a 9 megabyte email (of nothing but text) explaining that he could only consider getting into a relationship with her if she changed her name to GNU/Doctress Neutopia.

5:30pm - Reads rest of his email. His email is bombarded with trolls and goatse. RMS is turned on by the goatse and beats off to it.

6pm - Still beating off to goatse

7pm - Still beating off to goatse

8pm - Still beating off to goatse

9pm - Breaks into MIT vending machine to have a free as in speech and beer snack.

10pm - Breaks into a liquor store for free as in speech and free as in beer beer. Gets drunk.

10:15pm - Walks around drunk yelling, "Use free software!!!!", "It's GNU/Linux you capitalist pigs!!!!" and "I am a goat fucker!!!!".

11:45pm - Collapses in front of the Center for Marxist Education. Goes to sleep.

Re:A Day in the Life of RMS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794812)

Did all the junior high kiddies find the internet today? Looks like a lot of the little tykes have been out lately.

Seriously, the traffic won't be played in itself. Go do your job, junior.


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794836)

Think about snoodling with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to
anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join
several more dating services - this time, you dont check the (desired -
speaks english) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance
then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black
And Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE
is better than SCSI because you cant afford SCSI. Make claims about how
Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate windows but use
it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star
wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool
Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to
Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who arent fatter than
CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a yoda voice and
saying, feel the force, padawan, feeel the foooorce, hurgm. Yes. Yes. When
900 years you reach, a dick half as big you will not have.

All in a days work with a yoda figurine rammed up your ass.


Re:Two quotes stick out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794790)

Next time don't skim, you completely misunderstood the first quote.

Re:Two quotes stick out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794802)

Holy crap.

I met Cal Ripken Jr. today.

I can't believe it. I was sitting outside the Ralleys on Caliborne street, drinking a banana milkshake and eating a large order of rallyfries, when I saw a white SUV pull up to the store across the street, "Cherrry". I didn't think anything of it, but I almost choked on a mouthful of banana milkshake when I saw Cal Ripken Jr. get out of the SUV and go into Cherrry, the porno store!

I'm such a huge fan. I forgot all about my rallyfries and ran with my milkshake across the street, almost getting hit by a school bus on the way across. Even though I am still six months away from being 18, I HAD to go in the store and see Cal Ripken Jr.

So I went inside, and tried to look nonchallant, and there he was! Cal Ripken Jr was haggling with the cashier over the price of a giant rubber cock! My eyes were as wide as dinner plates.

I was afraid they were going to call the cops, since I was underage, but Cal has been my hero ever since I was a little kid.

I marched up to him and asked him for his autograph.

Since I didn't have anything for him to write on, Cal Ripken signed his name on a copy of "Tranny" and gave it to me! But that wasn't all he had to give me.

It turns out Cal is a really nice guy. The owner was eyeing me, and asked me for ID, but Cal said "no, it's cool, he's with me" I couldn't believe it! We started to talk about his incredible consecutive game streak, while Cal browsed their assortment of vibrating butt plugs.

After a little while, he asked if I wanted to see his orioles tatoo, and you better believe I didn't say no.

He gave the cashier a 20$ dollar bill and took me back to one of the private booths, taking with him several of the dildoes and vibrators he had purchased.

Cal Ripken was as good as his word, he wasted no time whipping out a nine inch cock, with a tatoo of the orioles logo on the big meaty head.

"Batter up!" Cal exclaimed, and jammed his big hot cock down my throat so hard and fast that my hand clamped down on my banana milkshake, spraying it all over Cal Ripken Jr!

Fortunately it did not get on my autographed copy of "Tranny" but whoa man!

Cal was pissed!

He took me over his knee and spanked me mercilessly, yelling "Bad boy! Do you know what happens to bad boys?"

"Lick it all off!" Cal said, then he squatted over the viewing bench. I licked all the banana milkshake off of cal's hot hard body, but that wasn't enough for him.

"You missed a spot!" cal ripken jr shouted, and he bent over and pulled down his pants and silk boxers, displaying the chocolate starfish that played more consecutive MLB games than any other. "Lick it ALL OFF!"

I was humiliated, but I felt I had no choice but to lick Cal Ripken Jr's sweaty asshole.

I licked Cal's ass for maybe three minutes, then he swiveled around and came explosively on my face. What the fuck! I'm only 17 years old.

Cal Ripken Jr. cinched up his pants and left, leaving me with nothing but my autographed copy of Tranny to show for it. I didn't even reach orgasm.

Re:Two quotes stick out (5, Interesting)

izomiac (815208) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794870)

Well, to be honest I did look a bit more at that part before criticizing it. On page two of the article they elaborate:

The Macbook Air we received from Apple had previously been sent to other reviewers, so we first needed to get the SSD into a "clean" state. While we have an established way of doing with Windows systems - using HDDerase to perform a low level format - we needed to find a way of doing this with OS X. The OS X installer actually allows you to load an app called Disk Utility, which can partition and format the drive - and one of the options is for a format which zeroes all the data.

According to Apple, "the "Zero all data" option... takes the erasure process to the next level by converting all binary in the empty portion of the disk to zeros, a state that might be described as digitally blank." The next level? Count. Us. In.

And the link goes to an Apple site that explains what zeroing the data does and how to do it.

Once we'd done this with the clean SSD, we then proceeded to give it a damn good thrashing. As with our Windows SSD testing, we filled the SSD with around 112GB of files from a USB hard disk - the files included OS files, game installs and media. We then deleted these files, then copied them across again, repeating the process ten times, so that we'd written over 1TB of data to the SSD.

So... they wrote over the whole disk with a format, then copied and deleted a bunch of files in hopes to get full coverage of the disk (i.e. exactly what the zeroing format did). That's about three levels of abstraction above what they're trying to test.

Re:Two quotes stick out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794924)

I live with my best friend of many years. He and I eat dinner together, watch TV together, and drink together. While we were in the living room watching TV, he asked me if I wanted to masturbate with him. I hesitantly said okay. I let him get started first and finally got the courage to do the same. I was amazed at how much I watched his penis barely looking at the women in the video. I saw him glance at me several times as well We currently masturbate together about 3 nights a week. After the first month, I told him I wanted to do what I like to but didn't want to freak him out. He said okay, and after I ejaculated on my stomach, I scooped it up and ate it. I've always done this. Just last week he shocked me by ejaculating in his hand and asking me if I wanted it. I licked it out of his hand and that was it. Can I be doing this and not be gay?

Re:Two quotes stick out (2, Interesting)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795412)

I read the Apple link ( and I don't see how it would be equivalent to TRIM on an SSD device.

Zeroing a device, as per the link, just writes zeroes to every block on it. From an SSD's point of view this means that every block is in use and just happens to contain zeros. Next time a request is made to write to a block it requires a (comparatively slow) read-modify-erase-write cycle. It won't make an SSD faster, but it may serve to securely erase the data on it (depending on its absence of wear levelling techniques).

TRIM on the other hand is used by the file system driver to say "I've deleted all data in this block, you can disregard it now." The device will erase it at its leisure. Next time a write is made to that block it's a simple (and fast) write cycle, without the read-modify and costly erase. Saving the erase cycle from interfering with a write is how TRIM-enabled drives gain their performance boost.

TFA's tests were invalid, because the drive was always in a degraded mode (assuming of course the 2008-era Samsung even supported TRIM).

Re:Two quotes stick out (5, Informative)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794922)

if you read it you'll either get random data, or zeros (probably the later)

If you read a TRIMmed block directly, most drives will kick back zeroes. You can do this with hdparm -- particularly useful as a method to test if TRIM works (and it even uncovered a bug in ext4's TRIM implementation in data=writeback mode, where TRIM only works on metadata). Run hdparm -I on a SSD, and it'll actually say something along the lines of "Deterministic read ZEROs after TRIM" for most drives.

In other words, they don't seem to be using a "clean state" at all, which would explain why there's no difference.

Very true. There are only two methods I know of to 'clean slate' a full drive -- either TRIM the entire thing (with a tool like hdparm -- this is tricky to get right) or run an ATA Secure Erase command. Most SSDs take the secure erase command and just blank every NAND chip they have (taking ~2 minutes compared to the multiple hours that rotational drives take for the Secure Erase command) -- I've done this on my X-25M and it works brilliantly.

Unless Apple's Disk Utility actually does a Secure Erase command (which is very unlikely), then their testing methodology is entirely flawed, and their 'resetting' of the drive instead made it behave as if it was entirely, completely, 100% filled to the brim.

Re:Two quotes stick out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794930)

Since I was a kid I always thought of Adolf Hitler as a great leader. When I took a Holocaust class in school and the teacher preached about what a scumbag he was and how much Germany fucked up I told her to go fuck herself and I walked out a dropped the course. Everytime I see her I give a Sieg Hiel and the salute. I wish Germany won World War II and the U.S. lost miserably. The world would be such a greater, cooler place.

Re:Two quotes stick out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795178)

Dr. Strangeloathing

– OR –

How I Learned to Start Thinking and Hate the Jews

There are two types of people in the world: people who think there are two types of people in the world and people who don’t. I’m among the first type and I think the world is divided into people who recognize the Jewish problem and people who don’t.

In other words, the world is divided into smart people and dumb people. If you’ve got an IQ of 80, have difficulty operating a can-opener, and recognize the Jewish problem, you’re smart. If you’ve got an IQ of 180, have already won a couple of Nobel Prizes, and don’t recognize the Jewish problem, you’re dumb.

I’ve been dumb for most of my life: it took me a long time to recognize the Jewish problem. I didn’t think for myself, I just accepted the propaganda and conformed to the consensus. Jews are good people. Only bad people criticize Jews. Jews good. Anti-Semites bad. But then, very slowly, I started to see the light.

Recognizing Jewish hypocrisy was the first big step. I was reading an article by someone called Rabbi Julia Neuberger, a prominent British liberal. I didn’t like liberals then, so I didn’t like her for that (and because her voice and manner had always grated on me), but her Jewishness wasn’t something I particularly noticed. But as I read the article I came across something that didn’t strike me as very liberal: she expressed concern about Jews marrying Gentiles, because this threatened the survival of the Jewish people.

That made me sit up and think. Hold on, I thought, I know this woman sits on all sorts of “multi-cultural” committees and is constantly being invited onto TV and radio to yap about the joys of diversity and the evils of racism. She’s all in favor of mass immigration and there’s no way she’s worried about Whites marrying non-Whites, because “Race is Just a Social Construct” and “We’re All the Same Under the Skin”. She’s a liberal and she thinks that race-mixing is good and healthy and Holy. Yet this same woman is worried about Jews marrying Gentiles. Small contradiction there, n'est ce-pas?

Well, no. Big contradiction. She obviously didn’t apply the same rules to everyone else as she applied to her own people, the Jews. She was, in short, a hypocrite. But not just that – she was a Jewish hypocrite. And that’s a big step for a brainwashed White to take: not just thinking in a negative way about a Jew, but thinking in a negative way about a Jew because of her Jewishness.

After that, I slowly started to see the world in a different way. Or to be more precise: I started to see the world. I started to see what had always been there: the massive over-representation of Jews in politics and the media. And I started to notice that a lot of those Jews – like Rabbi Julia Neuberger, in fact – gave me the creeps. There was something slimy and oily and flesh-crawling about them. And it wasn’t just me, either: other Gentiles seemed to feel it too.

Politicians often attract nicknames based on some outstanding aspect of their character or behavior. Margaret Thatcher was “The Iron Lady”. Ronald Reagan was “Teflon Ron”. Bill Clinton was “Slick Willy”. But these are Gentile politicians and their nicknames are at least half-affectionate. Jewish politicians seem to attract a different kind of nickname. In Britain, Gerald Kaufman, bald, homosexual Member of Parliament for Manchester Gorton, is nicknamed “Hannibal Lecter”. Peter Mandelson, now Britain’s Euro-Commissioner and Tony Blair’s suspected former lover, is “The Prince of Darkness”. Michael Howard (né Hecht), the leader of the British Conservative Party, is “Dracula”.

When I noticed this kind of thing, I started to ask questions. What was going on here? Why did Jews attract nicknames like that? And why had Gentiles reacted to them like that not just now, but a long way into the past? Shakespeare seems to have felt the same kind of repulsion when he created the vengeful lawyer Shylock, and Dickens when he created the parasitic master-thief Fagin. Classic “anti-Semitic” stereotypes, but I knew that stereotypes aren’t always wrong. If anti-Semitic stereotypes aren’t always wrong, then there’s an obvious conclusion: neither is anti-Semitism. Gentiles are sometimes right to dislike and distrust Jews.

After all, at the same time I was noticing something else: the massive over-representation of Jews, not just among politicians and journalists, but among crooked businessmen too. In fact, among very, very crooked businessmen, the ones responsible for really big frauds at Gentile expense. Men like Robert Maxwell (né Hoch), Ivan “Greed is Good” Boesky, and Michael Milken. And, on a slightly lesser scale, Ernest Saunders, who finagled an early release from prison because he was coming down with Alzheimer’s, that well-known incurable brain disease from which no-one ever recovers. Only Saunders managed to confound medical science and recover from it.

Slimy. Hypocritical. Crooked. In a word: Jewish. But I didn’t take the final step, the step to full recognition of the Jewish problem, until I watched the reaction to Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. I’m not a Christian and I have little sympathy with modern Christianity, but I had a lot of sympathy for Mel Gibson as I watched the hysterical campaign against him. The hysterical, well-organized, international campaign by the slimy, hypocritical, crooked Jew Abe Foxman, Head of the Anti-Defamation League, and his fellow slimy, hypocritical, crooked Jews around the world. They didn’t like something and they were moving heaven and earth to get it stopped.

And what was it they didn’t like? A movie about an event at the heart of European art, literature, and culture: the crucifixion of Christ. So here was another obvious conclusion: Jews hate European art, literature, and culture. In other words, Jews hate White civilization and the White race who created it.

After that, it all fell into place. I finally recognized that Jews weren’t just slimy, hypocritical, and crooked, but actively dangerous too. If I thought of something harmful to White civilization and the survival of the White race – mass immigration, feminism, multi-culturalism, anti-racism, gay rights – I realized that Jews were behind it, were promoting it through their control of the media, and had been doing so for decades.

Finally, I had seen the light. Finally, I had gotten smart and recognized the Jewish problem, the problem that even dumb Gentiles subconsciously recognize when they give nicknames like “Hannibal Lecter” and “Prince of Darkness” and “Dracula” to Jewish politicians. Jews really do want to eat us, and steal our souls, and suck our blood, and it’s about time we started firing a few silver bullets.

Re:Two quotes stick out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795916)

How did you run hdparm or Secure Erase? I was unable to get hdparm to run correctly under Linux on two Macs and the Secure Erase (CMRR) boot disk wouldn't boot on either a MacBook Pro or an Air. Please provide more info.

Re:Two quotes stick out (3, Interesting)

AllynM (600515) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795282)

Apple's description of the zeroing format method we used fits the description of what we wanted in terms of resetting the SSD to a clean state

Zeroing is not the same operation as TRIM. TRIM marks a block as unused, and if you read it you'll either get random data, or zeros (probably the later). Zeroing marks it as in-use, and if you read it you'll get zeros. The SSD's wear management algorithm will move the latter around as though it were real data, whereas it knows the former is "empty" so it won't bother (so the SSD will be faster). In other words, they don't seem to be using a "clean state" at all, which would explain why there's no difference.

Not only that, but writing to all free space of many SSD's will *drop* their IOPS performance since the drive now has to track *all* sectors in the LBA remap table. This is especially true with Intel drives (even the 2nd gen). Additionally, without TRIM, most drives will then continue to track all LBA's as long as used in that same Mac.

Secondly, the SSD in the Macbook Air really isn't very fast at all

A Macbook Air is just about the worst test of SSD performance, as its SATA and other busswork is run in a much reduced power mode, meaning the bottleneck is not the SSD at all. A worst-case degraded SSD in an Air will still be faster than the other bottleneck in that system.

Allyn Malventano, CTNC, USN
Storage Editor, PC Perspective

Flawed article (5, Informative)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794760)

The article writers made 2 major mistakes that cause their results to be meaningless.

1. They didn't secure erase the drive, which is what actually puts a drive back into a virgin state. They instead wrote zeroes to every sector, which means that the drive controller probably still thinks those zeroed out sectors are still in use.

2. The Samsung drive controller has a form of self cleanup that greatly reduces the need for TRIM.

3. Regardless, the SSD they used was slow as a dog and barely worth using over a HDD.

Re:Flawed article (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794768)

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It also features the packaging manager ape-ghetto, and the challenging Linux manual pages have been reformatted into the new 'monkey' format, so for example the manual for the shutdown command can be accessed just by typing: 'monkey shut-up -h now mothafukka' instead of 'man shutdown'.

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Re:Flawed article (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795270)

Yes it was a pain to read, I just wonder how good the OS X clean up is and the Samsung hardware clean up last?
Seems sandforce and Intel are the current neat SSD's until we get super sized and next gen controllers :)
I wonder whats holding Trim back on OS X? Can trim in windows 7 nuke a drive?
Hows the Linux Trim supporting branches?

Apple is waiting to patent iSSD first (0, Flamebait)

kolbe (320366) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794770)

Seriously though, MAC OS X has its roots with the BSD's of the world (Mach kernel [] ) and one need only visit any of the number of SSD inquiries from the FreeBSD community to get an idea of how Mac OS X would respond at a kernel level: [] for example.

Granted, there are some filesystem differences between the other BSD flavors and MAC OS X, but the architectures are very similar and one can draw the same conclusion as this parent review did:

MAC OS X can run quite well on SSD drives, it just hasn't been sanctioned by Big Brother Jobs yet. Remember too, Apple offered 128GB SSD's in their Mac Book Pro's as far back as 2008, so it's nothing new.

If you don't mind voiding your Apple warranty, I'd say go for it!

Gentoo advocates drive me nuts. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794794)

"Huh? Who's there? What--" Rob said, slurring his words.

Again he felt a tickling on his cheek and opened his eyes. He jerked his
head back.

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ESR's hairy erect penis, thin and crooked and pulsing with each heartbeat,
hovered centimeters from Rob's jaw. His bushy red pubic hair bearded his red
scrotum which hung low between his pale thighs.

"Hi Rob, I just got off the bus from Kansas City and decided to make a
pit-stop in Holland. Hope ya don't mind!" ESR said with a childlike grin.
His drooping orange mustache fluttered as his breath came in gasps.

"Motherfucker! I'll fucking kill you!" Rob shouted.

"Now now, Rob, that will never do. You'll suck my penis to erection and then
take it in your sweet little anus until it's time to dump a load of Uncle
Eric's special sauce down your slick throat, and you'll like it!" ESR said.

With this ESR cocked the hammer of his gun and pointed it at Rob's mouth and
began forcing his jaw open with the barrel as he poured the Jaegermeister,
thick and dark and brown, into Rob's mouth. He trickled some onto his bush
and penis for good measure and jammed his thin cock into Rob's mouth. Rob
took it to the hilt.

"That's a good little faggot. You take all of Uncle Eric's junk and you like
it!" Eric said as he began pumping his cock in and out of Rob's mouth. ESR's
bulbous white gut hovered menacingly over Rob's face like a full moon and
his ruddy pubes tickled Rob's nose. The gun barrel wavered at Rob's eyes.

Rob moaned as ESR grunted his pleasures into the back of Rob's throat.

"I have with me a funnel, Rob, and you're going to take it in your ass. This
old cock of mine needs a little lube and we're going to pack your rec-room
full of something quite slippery!" ESR said as his eyes grew wide. He shook
his bottle of Jaegermeister again as he helped Rob pull his pants off.

With a pop Eric removed his pulsating cock, slick with spit, from Rob's
hungry mouth as Rob turned over onto all fours, his back arched and ass
swaying in the air. ESR's little orange funnel entered Rob's anus without
complaint as he began pouring the brown fluid. Rob shivered.

"Good boy, Rob. Good boy. Uncle Eric's gonna feel real good in a second.
Oh!" ESR moaned as he rammed his dong home into Rob's familiar rectum.
"Reeeal goooood..."

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maniacal laugh. Rob hissed as he felt something cold and metal begin to
enter his asshole right beside ESR's rigid cock. "What's the barrel of my .44 feel like up there, Rob?"

"Get ready to take my load, boy!" Eric yelled as he jacked his crooked cock
into Rob's mouth. He kept his .44 focused on Rob's forehead as he began
pouring the brown liquor into Rob's mouth. A few drops of the spirit hit
ESR's dick and he lost control. His butt cheeks tightened and his hips
thrust forward and backward like a piston as his scrotum tightened.

"You little fucking Linux faggot, take my load!" ESR shouted at the top of
his lungs. Spurt after spurt of sickly yellow hacker semen erupted from
ESR's straining purple cockhead into Rob's gullet, the Jaeger splashing
Rob's face and mixing with the cum into an infernal homosexual cocktail. Rob
gagged and flailed his arms.

Rob laid gasping and spitting after ESR climbed off of his spent form.

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before the cops come. I'm sure someone heard you crying like a little girl!"
ESR said, laughing again.

Re:Apple is waiting to patent iSSD first (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794882)

The complicating factor, when trying to make any useful statements about "What Operating System Whatever does on SSDs" is that SSDs are totally free to do whatever crazy stuff internally, so long as they can present a coherent block device abstraction over the IDE/SATA/etc. bus.

TRIM happens to make the design problem easier; because it allows you to throw data on the floor when the OS says that they are no longer needed, rather than having to treat everything that isn't explicitly deleted as still good. However, before TRIM was available, manufacturers tended to do their best to design around its absence. This generally had a cost(either monetary, with lots of reserve flash driving up the cost, performance, with the drive either starting fast and taking a nosedive or just not being all that fast, or predictability, a given write operation could take milliseconds or it could take literal seconds, depending on the drive state).

Re:Apple is waiting to patent iSSD first (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794894)

I'm sort of new to this linux thing, but there's this directory on my new install of Debian 3.1 called "/usr/bin". It was all messed up when I first went in there. None of the files had descriptive names, and it took me like an hour to figure out they were executables, since none of them had .exe on the end of them. Furthermore, whenever I double click them, they just pop up a command prompt for a few seconds then go away. I was gonna delete them, but I got kinda afraid that they might be my kernel, so I fiugred I'd ask. It's ok to delete this stuff, right?

How does it work is a mystery to me (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795290)

First of all, Apple HFS format family has been critized for using the exact same areas of disk (for B Trees, journal) eventually wearing them off. I didn't buy the claims until I noticed an external USB drive has couple of bad sectors on exact "metadata"/B-tree area. Another USB drive got wasted (actually converted to fat32) and I finally agreed to that claim. It is magnetic drive I talk about, on SSD things can really get ugly.

They could move the B-Trees and journal, actually advanced disk optimizers like iDefrag does it every time whenever it spots that they aren't close to beginning of drive but it seems they didn't even implement that basic counter measure. BTW; obvious but, nobody should "defrag" a SSD drive.

I was expecting they add such enhancements with the OS X version shipping with Macbook Air and yet, nothing happened. It is not bad as NTFS but, HFS+ has to have some workarounds for SSD.

Wonder if "We do ZFS, no it is target of patant trolls" period has something to do with it. No matter what people say, they were really serious about ZFS until Sun CEO stupidly leaked it and that company whined about their patents made them totally give up the idea.

Perhaps, something like UFS+ in future?

yep (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794822)

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Traditional denial (-1, Flamebait)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794838)

It's the traditional Mac news in my eyes.

"You don't even have TRIM, we've had it for years. What's this platform?"
"Look it's ok, without TRIM will still perform just as good as without because Mac OS X _is pure magic_ !!" /blindfolds on

Let's try another one:

"Your antenna hardware has a design fault, signal drop very significantly when held with the left hand, dropping call or connection instantly"
"Look it's ok, Apple said they'll make a software patch cause it's a _bar display issue_ signal doesn't really drop!" /blindfolds on

Might be flamebait, but that's very much how it always sounds like to me :P Actually, it often sounds worse..

Happy fourth you faggots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794854)

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.

Re:Traditional denial (2, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795024)

That's not the problem with their antenna. As it turns out, the algorithm they used to show signal strength ("bars") was incorrect... generally showing more signal strength than there really was. So what was happening was this: people thought they had a good signal when they really didn't. Then the slight loss from bridging the antennas pretty much took their connection down. It SHOWED as a big difference, but the real difference was very small.

The same tests done in an area where there is actually a good signal get completely different results. There is almost no different whether the antennas are bridged or not.

Re:Traditional denial (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795036)

Linux is illegal! You are breaking the law, and hurting yourself and your family with your ILLEGAL SOFTWARE. Your ip has been noted and is being forwarded to the SPA with a reccomendation that they investigate your CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. Please destroy all your unpatriotic linux software before the government finally cracks down on you people and you all end up as lampshades or soap. God Bless America!

Re:Traditional denial (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795094)

Hey, it's a fucking Apple fanboi. Do you suck Steve's dick too? Maybe take it up the ass from The Woz?

Something wrong with testing methodology? (5, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 4 years ago | (#32794844)

Consider this statement:

Consider the Vertex: without TRIM, and when used, its sequential read speed for 1,024KB files is 137MB/sec; the Macbook Air manages 105MB/sec. With TRIM, the Vertex manages 258MB/sec in this same test.

According to their tests, TRIM has a big impact on read speeds, yet according to their explanation, TRIM should only have a significant affect on write speeds.

RMS Goes to the Zoo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794864)

With a twinkle in his eye and a skip in his step, RMS slammed his sky-blue Chevette's rusted-out car door and turned on heel toward the MIT Zoo entrance. Today was a Sunday, and RMS had decided the daily stresses of Free Software, the GPL, and his crazy drug-smoking habits could go away for just one afternoon while he enjoyed the zoo.

"That'll be twenty-five dollars, sir," the lady at the admission booth said glumly. She looked at RMS expectantly.

"I was expecting this zoo to be Free," RMS stated loudly, eyes darting around to gauge onlookers' reactions. There were none: RMS's capital F had went unnoticed. "Can you ensure me that this money will not help fund -"

The admissions lady cut him off. "Twenty-five dollars, or twenty bucks with a Bawls can," the lady cut in.

With a grumble and shake of his beard, RMS handed over twenty five of his hard-earned dollars. Considering that the GPL works to unemploy programmers, one must wonder where this money came from.

By evening, RMS found himself in front of the penguin exhibit. He felt himself start to sweat, which would have been no surprise--his thick, full, grizzly beard was worth a thousand down comforters--except that he was wearing only a pair of nylon biking shorts and a travel pack around his waist. He stared at his hands. What was wrong?

"Awk" a nearby bird squawked. RMS wheeled in the direction the screech had come from. He was met with the steely, unfeeling stares of a penguin. "Awk! Ooooh God, the penguin said awk... Lord, lord lord, it's GNU/Linux. The penguin is Tux!!!" RMS blurted out. He felt dizzy, and cold sweat now washed over his brittle, hairy chest. He looked this way and that. From nearby a bird again squawked.

"Awk! Awk! Awwwwk!!!"

RMS ran as fast as his atrophied hippie-programmer legs could carry him, right through a gate and into an exhibit. He realized what he had done, and before he could turn around, he heard a low, ominous sound. Like the Devil's riding mower.


RMS gasped and darted his eyes around him as he stood deathly still.


RMS was standing in the Gnu section, and it seemed these bull yaks were in rut and ready to mate with the first hairy thing with a hole in its center they found. Bad luck for RMS and his beard. Just then he felt cloven hooves push him down, and the world became fuzzy. RMS blacked out and remembered no more.

i just got off the toilet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32794974)

i shit out an obama.


My experience with SSD & a Mac (1)

putaro (235078) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795136)

The HD in my Macbook Pro was failing and when I was shopping for parts, I noticed that PowerbookMedic (normally I'd just go buy a hard drive locally but I needed to replace the DVD drive as well so I figured why not just get it all in one go) had an SSD available at a reasonable price so I purchased it on the theory that whatever they were shipping was a decent fit for the Mac - they didn't have any maker info on the page but I figured that the only real difference between SSDs would be max bandwidth and anything would be an improvement over a regular HD so I didn't do any research. When it arrived it was a G.Skill drive (128GB).

When I first installed it things were very zippy and I was really happy. After about a month, though, things started to slow down and I started researching and found the SSD fragmentation problem that's been referenced often. Zero'ing out the unused space on the disk did give a bit of a performance boost, but not back to the original levels. Eventually things got so bad that I removed it and replaced it with a regular HD and things got much better.

So, a few points:

1) HFS+ is not magically aligned with SSD's somehow (the Macbook Pro is running Snow Leopard so it's got the latest OS updates). You can still hit the fragmentation problem.
2) A lot of people are saying that overwriting with zero's won't do anything. Any controller will detect a block of zero's as being unused data and just mark the block as such. It's not hard to do, it's an obvious thing to do, and even the worst controller out there has a boatload of firmware in it - they are not just bare flash RAM chips hooked to the ATA bus somehow.

My mac sucks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795164)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

How are the sandforce units going? (2, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795244)

How are Mac users with Mercury Extreme SSD's or the Mushkin ect units doing?
They might be a bit different to the units Apple found at a set price point to max the profits.
Most of the Apple users sites seem to like the idea of a ~ TRIM via a removal of all data, zeroing and a copy back of the OS. Thanks

Holy fuck, what's with all the trolls today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795316)

Slashdot is going down the crapper.

Re:Holy fuck, what's with all the trolls today? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795364)

OS X seems to bring them out in force :)

Happy 4th of july (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795398)

you cock-smoking faggots!

Trim is a hack (1, Interesting)

KonoWatakushi (910213) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795466)

The problem is that a Flash based SSD needs to have a pool of unused blocks to work around the block-erase stupidity. However, trim only "solves" the problem when there is a good deal of free space on the drive anyway; when the drive nears full, it is useless. At the current pricing, people don't buy SSDs to keep them empty, and one would not expect an SSD to perform badly when full, as with rotating rust.

The solution is to provision enough extra blocks on the drive beyond the advertised capacity. While the vendors refuse to do this, you may do so yourself. Simply create an empty partition the drive--just make sure it isn't ever written or zeroed.

Anyway, the vendors' motivation to cut corners here should be perfectly clear.

Why not just open fs.blocksize to 64-256k? (2, Insightful)

redelm (54142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795666)

TRIM just seems to be yet another abstruse abstraction layer. Why not just allow filesystems (HPFS, UFS, ext[234]) to have large blocksizes?

Jes, I know the Intel MMU pages are either 4k or 4M. And people like "saving disk" since on average half a blocksize is wasted per file. But 4k is a tiny blocksize, set IIRC for newspools that few use. It only wastes 10 MB on a 5,000 file/dir system. That is not enough!

A 128 kB blocksize to match the hardware bs would "waste" a more reasonable 320 MB. Only 1% of the minimum 32 GB SSD.

Re:Why not just open fs.blocksize to 64-256k? (0, Flamebait)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795670)

TRIM makes you need Win 7 for real ;)

Re:Why not just open fs.blocksize to 64-256k? (1)

redelm (54142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32795762)

I need MS-Windows like a need a hole in my RAM. Which it leaks :)

An apple a day keeps the doctor away (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32795992)

while Microsoft and the SSD manufacturers have publicized its inclusion in Windows 7, Apple has been silent on whether OS X will support it

Isn't that kind of like comparing apple's and lemons?

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