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Nokia Chases Blogger To Recover N8 Prototype

samzenpus posted about 4 years ago | from the history-repeating dept.

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boris writes "Nokia has approached Russian authorities to retrieve its N8 prototype from blogger Eldar Murtazin, in a case similar to Apple iPhone 4/Gizmodo fiasco. In its official blog, Nokia said, 'we formally requested the return of all unauthorized Nokia property from Mr. Murtazin and he declined to respond. As a result, we have contacted the Russian authorities to assist us in the return of all unauthorized Nokia property.'"

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Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840714)

yeah!

Planned "leak"? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840736)

IMHO there's been way too many leaks lately. I smell covered-up, underground marketing techniques.

Re:Planned "leak"? (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 4 years ago | (#32841854)

IMHO there's been way too many leaks lately. I smell covered-up, underground marketing techniques.

IMHO there's been way too many accusations of underground marketing. I smell cover-up, karma whoring techniques.

Re:Planned "leak"? (2, Insightful)

toadlife (301863) | about 4 years ago | (#32843514)

I smell cover-up, karma whoring techniques.

With all the trolls that Anonymous Coward dude posts, I don't think his karma is going anywhere.

Re:Planned "leak"? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32843054)

There have been way too many misuses of abbreviations as well.

When you type "there's", you're really typing "there is" or "there has". In the context of your sentence, neither makes sense. "There've" would have been acceptable. Seriously...

Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (4, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 4 years ago | (#32840762)

Did they pay off the Russian authorities?

As that how things get done in Russia.

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (3, Insightful)

Haffner (1349071) | about 4 years ago | (#32840914)

Incorrectly modded troll. That really IS how things are done. When the police pull you over, you pay them before you start discussing the ticket, and then possibly pay them again. That is how Russia works.

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841104)

Police in Russia are authorized to demand cash directly from drivers for perceived infractions. It's not like in western countries where the officer writes you a ticket and then you must pay it before a certain time.

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (3, Interesting)

Haffner (1349071) | about 4 years ago | (#32841228)

The way a traffic stop works:

1. You get pulled over. Frequently, you don't know why.

2. You pay the officer an amount at least half the cost of what you'd expect the official cost to be.

3. The officer talks about your infraction, or talks about larger possible crimes you committed.

4. You pay the fine, or, if the officer is talking about other crimes, GOTO 2

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 4 years ago | (#32842968)

Police in Russia are authorized to demand cash directly...

As a US tourist, couldn't I just poke the cop in the chest and say "Back off Ivan, we won the cold war!" ?

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 4 years ago | (#32843058)

No. But as a US tourist, you're entitled to some special rates. Like, the same amount, but in USD rather than RUR. Enjoy your stay.

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (3, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | about 4 years ago | (#32843288)

As a US tourist, couldn't I just poke the cop in the chest and say "Back off Ivan, we won the cold war!" ?

Smart people don't insult people with weapons, especially not in countries where human life has never been a priority.

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (2, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 4 years ago | (#32843048)

Police in Russia are authorized to demand cash directly from drivers for perceived infractions. It's not like in western countries where the officer writes you a ticket and then you must pay it before a certain time.

Actually, "write a ticket" is precisely how it is supposed to be done by law in Russia (I know because I went through the procedure first-hand). Any direct cash extortion you may experience is unlawful, which isn't to say that it's not "authorized" by the officer's higher-ups (they usually get a cut of all bribes obtained that way).

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (1)

dgatwood (11270) | about 4 years ago | (#32843720)

Law? Law? Ha! In No-Longer-Soviet Russia, law makes you!

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 4 years ago | (#32841464)

apparently, police in russia are slower to do megacorps' bidding, though ?

First past the post (1)

westlake (615356) | about 4 years ago | (#32841668)

Did they pay off the Russian authorities?

Nokia or Murtazin?

Re:Did they pay off the Russian authorities? (2, Funny)

Fizzl (209397) | about 4 years ago | (#32843674)

Nokia is Finnish. You know what happens when da russkies piss off finns?
Fuckin' Winter War! That's what! And continuation war if they are not satisfied with the body count of the first one!

Putin and whatever-the-official-president-is are probably right now personally crawling around, trying to get back the Finnish marvel of forbidden technology, lest Tarja bestows them with unimaginable horrors of "motti".

Epic Blockbuster (4, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 4 years ago | (#32840780)

So, in 30 years from now, when the world looks back on current events and news stories as inspiration for movies - is this what they're going to be about?

If so...

COUNT ME IN.

Think Jason Bourne meets Verizon guy.

Re:Epic Blockbuster (2, Interesting)

BobMcD (601576) | about 4 years ago | (#32841096)

Verizon Guy: Can you hear me...

BLAM

Bourne: Not now. Not ever.

Roll credits

Re:Epic Blockbuster (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about 4 years ago | (#32841432)

Roll credits

Shouldn't that be rollover credits?

Re:Epic Blockbuster (1)

Enry (630) | about 4 years ago | (#32841198)

I've got the perfect title: Hear me if you can

Re:Epic Blockbuster (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 4 years ago | (#32843358)

Think Aliens meets Verizon guy. Here's the title: "In space, can you hear me now?"

in soviet Russia phone Chases you! (-1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 4 years ago | (#32840786)

in soviet Russia phone Chases you!

Re:in soviet Russia phone Chases you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841880)

excellent post. very apropos for once! actually caused a chuckle to come out of this old man.

You're too drunkski! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#32840796)

Maybe you shouldn't be drinking so much Vodka that way, Nokia.

On an unrelated note, the proper way to say Vodka ("Wodka") sounds awesome when a Russian says it.

Re:You're too drunkski! (1)

AhabTheArab (798575) | about 4 years ago | (#32840826)

On an unrelated note, the proper way to say Vodka ("Wodka") sounds sexy as hell when a Russian says it.

Fixed that

Re:You're too drunkski! (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | about 4 years ago | (#32842466)

Pavel Chekov fetish?

Re:You're too drunkski! (1)

doti (966971) | about 4 years ago | (#32842808)

wod = water
ka = little

Re:You're too drunkski! (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 4 years ago | (#32843156)

On an unrelated note, the proper way to say Vodka ("Wodka") sounds awesome when a Russian says it.

"Wodka" is not a proper way to say "vodka" in standard Russian, unless you're talking about some regional dialect, or you're a German. IPA for it is ['vodka].

Indeed, there is no sound directly corresponding to /w/ in Russian at all, and in loanwords it's approximated by either /v/ (as for "Washington") or, more commonly, by /u/ (as for "Watergate")

Nokia just want its property back (5, Informative)

kangsterizer (1698322) | about 4 years ago | (#32840802)

Actually in it's blog I believe Nokia wrote "please return our babies" or something like that. No lawsuit etc. They just want the phones back and avoid bad press.

And yes, the phone is an early N8 prototype (from march). The reviewers named it N9 and started a lot of false rumors on it, despite (at least my) posts indicating it was a N8 and early Symbian ^3 on it.

The N8 that will ship soon is slightly different hardware wise, and vastly improved software wise.

Re:Nokia just want its property back (1, Interesting)

_LORAX_ (4790) | about 4 years ago | (#32840916)

The N8 that will ship soon is slightly different hardware wise, and vastly improved software wise.

Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?

Re:Nokia just want its property back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840970)

Another? N900 much?

Re:Nokia just want its property back (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about 4 years ago | (#32841130)

Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?

That it is running Symbian indicates that it is midrange, even if at the higher end of midrange. The coming MeeGo device will be their next flagship after the N900.

Re:Nokia just want its property back (2, Informative)

Tuntematon (827980) | about 4 years ago | (#32841688)

Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?

I think Nokia's hype machinery has failed at least partially if you are tellimg me you haven't seen any specs, hands on's or rumors about N8. As moderately satisfied Symbian user I have good feeling about it. But I'm looking forward for the camera maybe more than the next person probably.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/08/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-12/ [nokia.com]

Re:Nokia just want its property back (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840934)

Actually in it's blog I believe Nokia wrote "please return our babies" or something like that. No lawsuit etc. They just want the phones back and avoid bad press.

And yes, the phone is an early N8 prototype (from march). The reviewers named it N9 and started a lot of false rumors on it, despite (at least my) posts indicating it was a N8 and early Symbian ^3 on it.

The N8 that will ship soon is slightly different hardware wise, and vastly improved software wise.

Good that it's not Apple. Otherwise, it would be "Evil Nokia demands ex-Soviet police detain noble blogger until he gives up his iN8."

Re:Nokia just want its property back (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840978)

My 2 cents:
Nokia probably doesn't give a rat's ass about the device itself. They want it returned so they can check its serial number/IMEI and track down the person who is continuously leaking their prototypes to Eldar Murtazin.
They have publicly stated that they are trying to find his mole.

Yes, we have to take a look at ourselves, and we are diligently hunting down the source of these leaks.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/ [nokia.com]

Re:Nokia just want its property back (4, Interesting)

kangsterizer (1698322) | about 4 years ago | (#32841092)

Yes, that's what I'm thinking. They want to shut down the leaks, not to punish the bloggers or whichever tech site end up getting the devices. That's why there's no lawsuit, they don't care going after the tech fans, they know it's a bad move. Eventually they'd rather not make noise about it.

The guy who leaks stuff at Nokia will prolly get fired and stuff however.

Re:Nokia just want its property back (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844768)

A bit fuller quote is quite telling... (also how the case seems to go on for over 2 months by now)

This particular site openly flaunts its ability to acquire our property. Yes, we have to take a look at ourselves, and we are diligently hunting down the source of these leaks. Frankly, we pride ourselves on trust at Nokia, and someone has greatly betrayed that.

However, whilst we are determined to protect our intellectual property and maintain the surprise when a shiny new gadget is introduced, we are not going to do so at the expense of the working conditions we enjoy here at Nokia. We are not the Secret Police, and we want to maintain our culture of openness. We won't let days like yesterday alter that.

So now that the official news is out, we'd like our prototype back. Please.

(emphasis mine)

So - ignoring Nokia requests to return their property ever since, even seems taunting them quite openly, gets in the way of launch plans, offers what reads as conclusions about an upcoming product based on an early prototype (how can one not mean all of this?), plus all that "consultancy" for some other manufacturers? The case looks pretty simple (and generally, is it just my impression that such tech "journalists" are quite universally starting to feel way too cocky, for what they are worth, recently?)

Re:Nokia just want its property back (0, Troll)

dcollins (135727) | about 4 years ago | (#32841762)

"Actually in it's blog I believe Nokia wrote 'please return our babies' or something like that. No lawsuit etc."

Puh-leeze. They're asking for Russian security stormtroopers to track the guy down and bust into his house. That's better than a lawsuit? Nicey-nice PR be damned.

Legit concern (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840862)

I actually read the articleyea yea blasphemy here on Slashdot.
The guy isn’t just a blogger apparently he also describes himself as a consultant to the mobile industry. I think Nokia has a legitimate concern that he will “consult” for their competition after he’s already seen their hardware, so they want it back.

Re:Legit concern (3, Informative)

kangsterizer (1698322) | about 4 years ago | (#32841946)

I've read the new Nokia post as well now, and the guy not only wrote a lot of crap "haha Nokia you can't get me etc" on the net, but on top of that he's working for Samsung and gives away the Nokia prototypes there. (it's all in the comments here http://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/07/nokia-n8-property-eldar-murtazin/ [thenokiablog.com] )

Quite of a bad guy actually :P

Re:Legit concern (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 4 years ago | (#32843204)

The guy isn’t just a blogger apparently he also describes himself as a consultant to the mobile industry.

"Describes himself" is very apt here. The guy is very well known in RuNet, and is largely the laughing stock of the industry and people interested in it. His "consultancy" is a single-man company where he is a senior (and only) consultant, and its only known outlet is his blog. He is also quite famous for making incorrect and downright laughable predictions.

Stupid Swede (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32840952)

Russians never give back. We steal, yes, of course, but this is not a crime. It is the Russian way.

Re:Stupid Swede (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841338)

Stupid USofAian. Nokia is finnish not swedish.

mvh Sonny Ericsson

Re:Stupid Swede (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 4 years ago | (#32841564)

Nokia is Finnish, not Swedish...

What's the rest of the story here? (0, Flamebait)

idontgno (624372) | about 4 years ago | (#32840956)

How did this "blogger" (also being accused of being a mercenary consultant) get hands on the prototype? Was this a pre-release review unit provided to a media member? Found in a bar restroom a la iPhone 4? Corporate espionage?

I suspect it was the first case. It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer pulled a review prototype after they came to believe the reviewer wasn't either (A) going to be particularly favorable, or (B) was going to do something beyond just reviewing the phone, like give competitors a peek.

Re:What's the rest of the story here? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 4 years ago | (#32841368)

They say it is a supposed leak from inside Nokia.

Sorry Nokia (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841002)

But nobody really cares about your phone. This [wikimedia.org] is still what most people think of when they hear "Nokia".

Re:Sorry Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841356)

But nobody really cares about your phone. This [wikimedia.org] is still what most people think of when they hear "Nokia".

Hey... that was a great phone...
I had one of those that worked after falling 3 stories high!
they don't make them as they used to :-(

Nokia must be in really bad shape (-1, Flamebait)

dmesg0 (1342071) | about 4 years ago | (#32841062)

Not only are they unable to make a single successful smartphone in the last few years, they are also trying to stop the criticism by intimidating the critics.

Such strategy will do them no good.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#32842322)

Yes, a terrible shape. It really sucks to only have a little over 35% of the worldwide mobile phone market. I'd really hate to be such an irrelevance.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (0, Flamebait)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 4 years ago | (#32842774)

Yeah because a year ago, that number was closer to %50, rather than dropping towards %30.

RIM, Google and Apple are the future of smart phones, not Nokia. Nokia's smartphone marketshare's going down. A lot. There's also nearly zero buzz among non-tech, non-suit types about Nokia's latest; and even among the techies and the suits, Nokia's shine's going away. Nokia had a chance to put together great devices; and failed miserably.

(I've got my doubts about RIM, but they're a nimble and entrenched enough company that they can get by).

Nokia's going bye bye as the king of international smart phone sales.

The field isn't just phones that run Windows Mobile, Symbian or Palm OS anymore.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32843484)

At their very best they got up to 39 % marketshare. Now they're down to 33 % or so. It's not like they've already lost the game and can just pack up and go home.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844312)

He wasn't talking about smartphones, but phones; where Nokia has been pretty steady , at 37% now (actually there was a slight growth in the last year IIRC); Apple has 2%, RIM likewise (rounding of from below 2.5...), HTC 1% (whole, that includes their WinMob and BREW devices).

Nokia smartphone sales are 45%, still much greater proportion than their overall share of phone market. With fluctuations to be sure, but you have to remember that it's not a zero sum game - the segment is simply expanding, also in places where it was prevented from that / phones were historically preferred to be castrated by carriers.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (0, Flamebait)

dmesg0 (1342071) | about 4 years ago | (#32842866)

Their smartphone market share is constantly declining. And people who buy their so-called smartphones, are not using them as such, most don't even download a single application.

I'm a former owner of many Nokia phones myself, with N95 being the last one. Had to get rid of it after a few months of constant troubles. My hopes were high with N900 when it was released, but it also turned out to be a disappointment (got a Nexus one instead).

No idea why some moderator thinks decided my post was a flamebait. I'm following Eldar's story closely from day one, and I don't think Nokia is doing the right thing. They should focus on high end smartphones and better OS instead of creating bad publicity.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (1)

dmesg0 (1342071) | about 4 years ago | (#32843562)

What's going on here? Why are all posts criticizing Nokia in any way moderated as flamebaits? Has Nokia taken over slashdot?

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32843882)

Nokia's a European company, consequently, they can do no wrong and are subject to unlimited free passes on Slashdot. That's the best I can come up with. The sad thing is, Nokia is in serious trouble vis a vis the iPhone and Android. What they need is honest criticism not rabid fanboyism.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844378)

So, a support for sort of European (they of course have quite a lot of presence throughout the world, also in the US; and even one manufacturing plant quite close to Cupertino...) entity suddenly takes over /. just in stories about this entity? (are there not enough anti-EU types here? Not enough (largely deserved of course) Android fans?)

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32844620)

No.

The rabid downmodding of anything criticising Nokia whether it be justified or not isn't support. It's zealotry. Personally, I love Nokia. They are very open source friendly and that is important to me. But, I'm not a zealot. Their strategy and products needs work. And they are facing real competition from Google and Apple. I don't want to see them go down into oblivion because everybody was so blinded to their flaws and refused to hear otherwise.

Re:Nokia must be in really bad shape (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844804)

Naming of what presumably happens was very secondary to my post - it was, first and foremost, asking how it's supposed to be happening here?

This is a non-story (1, Insightful)

dnaumov (453672) | about 4 years ago | (#32841106)

An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.
Nokia politely asks said invidividual to return their property.
Individual does not respond.
Nokia involves the authorities.

I am failing to find a story in all this.

Re:This is a non-story (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841278)

The story here will be the absolute lack of caring from the Apple haters who went all batshit crazy when Gizmodo had the iPhone 4 proto, and Apple went all lawyer on them.

Que the "one of these things is not like the other" crew to start pointing out why Apple sucks and Nokia not so much.

Re:This is a non-story (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842052)

Que[sic] the "one of these things is not like the other" crew to start pointing out why Apple sucks and Nokia not so much.

Let's look at the steps:

An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.
Nokia politely asks said invidividual to return their property.
Individual does not respond.
Nokia involves the authorities.

Apple's story was the same, without that little step with the word "politely" in it. They called in the iStormtroopers as soon as word broke and they had some place on a map at which to point.

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, things like "logic", "history", "reality", and "remembering a goddamned thing from the ancient, distant past of a month or so ago without my ADD-addled gadgetlustful brain being distracted by the latest fucking shiny piece of plastic hawked at me by a pretentious douchebag snake oil salesman in a black turtleneck" makes me a "hater". Either I love Apple and would readily give my life in defense of The Lord High Almighty Jobs, or I'm a senseless hater just doing my hating.

Re:This is a non-story (1)

imunfair (877689) | about 4 years ago | (#32842058)

I realize you're probably trolling, but since someone modded you up I'll give you a serious response.

The Apple prototypes were given back before any lawyer or police raid involvement - whereas in this case the person/organization seems to be withholding the prototypes. I don't think many people would have had a problem with the police raiding on behalf of Apple to recover stolen property - but that wasn't what happened.

Re:This is a non-story (3, Insightful)

Kenshin (43036) | about 4 years ago | (#32841288)

An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.
Apple politely asks said invidividual to return their property.
Individual responds dickishly.
Apple involves the authorities.

Replace a few words, and there's plenty of story. What makes Nokia so different?

Re:This is a non-story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32841514)

Thank you for pointing out that the whole Apple-iphone-prototype thing was also a non-story.

Re:This is a non-story (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about 4 years ago | (#32841524)

Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo doesn't have a RDF.

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (3, Informative)

TrancePhreak (576593) | about 4 years ago | (#32841764)

An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.
Individual politely asks Apple if they want it back.
Apple denies existence of property.
Individual sells property to Gizmodo.
Apple involves the authorities.

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842096)

Too bad this version of events is both completely unsubstantiated and inconsistent with the actual actions of the person who "found" the phone.

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842372)

The individual did not ask apple if they wanted it back. But the truth shouldn't get in the way of a good apple bash

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 4 years ago | (#32843776)

No that's not how I remembered it.
  • An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.
  • Individual through a third party makes a call to the generic Apple support line inquiring about prototypes. Vaguely asks if there are any rewards for missing prototypes.
  • Level 1 tech support guy who has no knowledge of prototypes brushes guy off.
  • Individual sells prototype to Gizmodo.
  • Gizmodo contacts Apple about prototype. Wants Apple to publicly acknowledge it in exchange for prototype back.

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 4 years ago | (#32845276)

"Level 1 tech support guy who has no knowledge of prototypes brushes guy off."

Which represents Apple.
The fact that the tech support guy was incompetent doesn't enter in to it.

you for got:
"The Apple throws a huge hissy fit and destroys peoples lives."

Re:This is a non-story (how it actually happend) (1)

Reverberant (303566) | about 4 years ago | (#32845294)

Individual through a third party makes a call to the generic Apple support line inquiring about prototypes. Vaguely asks if there are any rewards for missing prototypes.

Level 1 tech support guy who has no knowledge of prototypes brushes guy off.

This was Gizmodo's story, and later contradicted. Via Wired [wired.com] :

Hogan didn’t know what he had until he removed a fake cover from the device and realized it must be a prototype of Apple’s upcoming next-generation iPhone, according to Gizmodo’s account of the find.

A friend of Hogan’s then offered to call Apple Care on Hogan’s behalf, according to Hogan’s lawyer. That apparently was the extent of Hogan’s efforts to return the phone.

After the friend’s purported efforts to return the phone failed, several journalists were offered a look at the device. Wired.com received an e-mail March 28 — not from Hogan — offering access to the iPhone, but did not follow up on the exchange after the tipster made a thinly veiled request for money. Gizmodo then paid $5,000 in cash for it.

Not the true story, either (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32843934)

An individual is handed a phone in a bar.
Individual does not turn the phone into the bar owner, or tell them that he found the phone.
Individual takes the phone home from the bar
Individual plays with the phone at home and realizes it's not a normal phone.
Individual's friend allegedly calls Apple's tech support line
Tech support guy has no idea what friend is talking about
Individual reaches deal to sell phone to Gizmodo for a lot of money. In cash.
Several of individual's friends inform him that this is not the smartest thing to do.
Individual does it anyway
Gizmodo publishes huge expose
Apple involves the authorities

SOURCE: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/iphone-finder/ [wired.com]

The geek re-writes history once again (1)

westlake (615356) | about 4 years ago | (#32844926)

An individual comes into an unauthorized posession of a development prototype.

He lifts a phone left behind at a bar.

Anyone who witnessed the incident would have called him a thief.

Individual politely asks Apple if they want it back.
Apple denies existence of property.

He shops the prototype phone around to Wired, etc.

He quotes a price that makes it perfectly clear he knows that the phone is hotter than a stove.

He has the number of the employee who was issued the phone but never calls it.

Instead, he covers his ass by claiming to have called a low-level tech support number out of the Cupertino Yellow Pages.

What he does not do - as California law demands he must do - is surrender the phone to the police.

Individual sells property to Gizmodo.

He has no right to sell the phone. Gizmodo has no right to buy the phone. To disassemble the phone. To use the phone for any other purpose than to contact the owner or dial 911.

Gizmodo was immediately exposed to the charge of knowingly dealing in stolen goods.

It edged very close to a plausible charge of extortion.

Apple involves the authorities.

and was well within its rights to do so.

Re:This is a non-story (1)

Kielistic (1273232) | about 4 years ago | (#32842216)

I didn't pay too much attention to it but I seem to recall it going a little more like this:

An individual comes into an unauthorized possession of a development prototype.
Individual politely asks Apple if they want it back.
Apple denies it is theirs.
Individual sells it to Gizmodo.
Apple demands it back.
Gizmodo returns it.
Apple sends in the SWAT.

Re:This is a non-story (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 4 years ago | (#32845246)

Because Nokia is doing it correctly?

Apple denied it was their phone, and then later through a fit and called the authorities.

Re:This is a non-story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842272)

Unauthorized by whom? Nokia?

The real question is: Is this illegal?

The fact that Nokia doesn't like it doesn't mean he didn't obtain it legally somehow.

Re:This is a non-story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842926)

Actually the Nokia wrote once and blogger responded with a letter and started to wait Nokia to give respond.... what never came... until now this case.

Nokia blog post (1)

ThoughtMonster (1602047) | about 4 years ago | (#32841164)

Here's the relevant link on conversations.nokia.com:

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/07/legal-action-against-eldar-murtazin-official-statement/ [nokia.com]

It pretty much boils down to this:

"To be perfectly clear, we have asked Mr. Murtazin for the return of all Nokia property in his possession. As he has declined to reply, we asked the Russian authorities to assist us. We leave it to the Russian authorities to determine the most appropriate course of action."

Re:Nokia blog post (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | about 4 years ago | (#32841582)

It pretty much boils down to this:

"To be perfectly clear, we have asked Mr. Murtazin for the return of all Nokia property in his possession. As he has declined to reply, we asked the Russian authorities to assist us. We leave it to the Russian authorities to determine the most appropriate course of action."

Ye gods! It's like you have the power the read the submitters mind, and then travel forward in time 30 minutes and post your gleanings. Have you considered connecting with James Randi to try and get that million dollar prize?
:-P

Equal opportunities (0, Troll)

OpenSourced (323149) | about 4 years ago | (#32841298)

Well, if the free publicity stunts work for Apple, why cannot Nokia try them too? They will probably need to "lose" four prototypes, for Apple two, but in the end they will probably move a bit the interest of the people.

The only difference is... (0, Flamebait)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 4 years ago | (#32841316)

It's a Nokia.

It's going to be boring, difficult to use, and feature a lousy API and app distribution system.

Who's going to care?

Re:The only difference is... (2, Interesting)

iammani (1392285) | about 4 years ago | (#32841496)

Really? Does any other phone have a better API & App dist system than N900? Boring and difficultly are subjective though, I consider N900 much more interesting and easier to use (atleast easy to customize it to my use) than other major smartphones. Maybe thats just me.

Re:The only difference is... (3, Interesting)

_LORAX_ (4790) | about 4 years ago | (#32841878)

Maybe thats just me.

The N900 is a limited success *despite* Nokia's best effort, just like the "NIT"'s before it. I mean come on, the firmware has bugs that are 2 generations old and still stewing. Development for the device is a joke since it was ( last I checked ) still basically tied to running debian or ubuntu on your development system unless you wanted to use Python.

I have developed for the N810 and was sponsored by Nokia to the first Maemo conference. What I saw and heard lead me to the conclusion that it was a dead-end without partners. MeeGo *might* change my view if they can finally bring a mainstream success to the table without the continued alienation of their development community.

Re:The only difference is... (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | about 4 years ago | (#32842790)

Nokia said from the word go that the N900 was a nich phone and made no pretence about maemo at all... they said i was step 4 out of 5

i have one and i LOVE it... it's fantastic and i cannot wait to see what the MeeGo release for the N900 will be like.

it'll still be the debian based maemo under the bonnet but will have the Meego front end on it.

the device plain rocks to be frank

Re:The only difference is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32845166)

Absolutely, I also have a N900 and it's a great tool (and a precious toy).

Every time I see colleagues with their (An)droid's I can only imagine they are happy with them because they never tried the N900.

And in comparison an iPhone is so handicapped they aren't nearly in the same league ;)

Re:The only difference is... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 4 years ago | (#32842916)

You don't actually have to be running Linux at all, though you need something POSIX-y and the right libraries. The cross-compile toolchain could certainly stand to be easier to set up, though. I eventually said "screw this" and write/tested my code natively on a laptop, then copied it over (ran `svn up`, actually) to the N800 and just built it in place. Sure, the processor's build speed leaves something to be desired, but most of the time stuff that had worked correctly on desktop Linux worked fine on the N800 as well, so it's not like I had to be constantly re-building on the handheld.

Re:The only difference is... (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844152)

Or, more precisely, a limited success despite Nokia being quite clear it's not a mass market device at this stage?

Re:The only difference is... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 4 years ago | (#32842590)

Does any other phone have a better API & App dist system than N900?

Yeah, Objective-C and the iTunes App Store as well as Java and the Android Marketplace beat the hell out of, "Pick a language" and "Good luck, maybe you'll get in some apt repo."

Ovi's a joke and apt is something for purpose built linux installs; not mobile phones. Netbooks, tablets, and other tiny devices running explicitly Linux; sure, mobile phones or PMPs? No. Just, no.

Re:The only difference is... (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844132)

Did you try to ignore that the recommended way of development is via Qt now, or just don't know? (for both Meamo/MeeGo and Symbian)
And seems recently that iTunes App Store is quite a joke in itself...

Downvoted to oblivion (1, Funny)

metamatic (202216) | about 4 years ago | (#32843028)

Truth hurts, eh Nokia fanboys?

I've owned Nokia phones. They were great in the 90s. Then they took forever to start shipping quad band handsets, and I switched to Sony Ericsson. Then they went through that period where most of [mobileburn.com] their designs [ixbt.com] looked like they were put together by crack-smoking monkeys.

Then came Maemo. The N770 looked interesting. I saw them drop support for it and bring out the N800. I actually bought one of those, and they dropped support for it and brought out the N810. Then they dropped support for that and brought out the N900, with a smaller screen. Meanwhile, Maemo was GTK... then it was switching to Qt... and now it's dead, replaced by MeeGo. No doubt in another year they'll drop all support for fixes for the N900, and a year after MeeGo is released they'll drop it for something else, and all the while they'll be asking why developers aren't interested in their platform and users aren't interested in their phones.

Re:The only difference is... (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#32844196)

It's going to have Qt as its API (which also became available for their devices up to around 3 years old), possibly the nicest toolkit there is. Ovi, et al ...I like something is "boring."

No one really cares (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | about 4 years ago | (#32841334)

In a case similar to Apple iPhone 4/Gizmodo fiasco

Similar except for the fact that in this case that no one really cares...

Apple fan or Apple hater, no one can deny Apple's ability to generate free PR, even inadvertently.

Re:No one really cares (1)

DMiax (915735) | about 4 years ago | (#32842960)

Well, actually their obsessive marketing makes them well known and makes everything about them notable. This is not only why there are no many Apple stories on Slashdot, but also why the problems with chinese suicides were linked with Apple despite many companies being involved with the same factory. I would not be surprised if this story was tagged "apple".

In Soviet Russia (1)

tenco (773732) | about 4 years ago | (#32841972)

Nokia receives with YOU!

Happens more then you think... (1)

Panaflex (13191) | about 4 years ago | (#32842230)

Back in 1993 I invented an iPhone type device (larger, no multitouch, slower), and needed a cellular data part to test with. I contacted the dev group at Nokia and asked if I could sample a module.

They gave me that part and then 2 days later asked for a return. They mistakenly thought I was an employee... oops. I guess they do read those sign-out sheets though.

Oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32842596)

Hmmm that's a nice phone you have there. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it.

And how are the "authorities" going to help? (1)

cdrguru (88047) | about 4 years ago | (#32843120)

Evidently, the person with the prototype is in Russia. I guess Nokia probably could pay for whatever police enforcement they would like to have on this, so that may be what is going to happen.

I would suspect the proper answer would be the same as if it was dropped into an active volcano - something along the lines of "Well, there it goes."

Great way to discourage people to buy from you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32844404)

Well Nokia and Apple, knowing that you guys are willing to force policemen from preventing real crimes to recover a piece of computer equipment to me says a lot about your companies... Why bother at all? After its been shown online, you have nothing to gain except disrespect by taking tips from SCO or the RIAA.

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