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Fastest Graphics Ever, Asus ARES Rips Benchmarks

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the kingdom-of-speed dept.

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MojoKid writes "Over-the-top, killer graphics cards are always fun to play with, though they may not be all that practical. With a pair of ATI Radeon HD 5870 GPUs on a single PCB and 4GB of GDDR5 graphics memory on board, the recently released Asus ARES is one such card that can currently claim the title of being the fastest single gaming graphics card on the planet. This dual-GPU-infused beast rips through benchmarks, besting even the likes of a Radeon HD 5970 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480. You can even run a pair of them in CrossFire mode, if you're hell-bent on the fastest frame rates money can buy currently."

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OpenCL? (4, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865134)

Yeah but what about OpenCL performance?

Some of Anandtech's Fermi benchmarks put it 4x+ behind in GPGPU tests.

Re:OpenCL? (4, Interesting)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865284)

Folding seems to indicate the same. nVidia's recent changes to their architecture boosted power consumption, but made double-precision floating point ops about 4x faster. Good for GPGPU, but not so good for games. (which don't really use double-precision floating point)

Re:OpenCL? (5, Interesting)

makomk (752139) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865562)

I seem to recall that the double-precision performance of NVidia's latest graphics cards would've been truly impressive... if they hadn't intentionally crippled it on all of the gaming cards in order to force people to buy compute cards costing several times the price. Works out that double precision runs at 1/8th of the speed of single precision - the same ratio as the previous generation - as opposed to 1/5th on ATI Radeon hardware and 1/2 on NVidia's really expensive professional cards.

Duh. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865580)

Don't you realize how lame this article and its discussion will look in 5 years?

Flying fuck. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865318)

How relevant is that for a gaming card?

Remember, this is a product that comes with a GAMING MOUSE thrown in. It's like asking how much of a load the latest supercar can haul. It's irrelevant, as long as there's no games using OpenCL. Trust me, when OpenCL is a big thing in gaming, these cards will be long forgotten.

Re:OpenCL? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865552)

Considering that AMD doesn't even bundle an OpenCL runtime with their drivers yet, I think it goes without saying that AMD is still behind the curve on OpenCL.

However performance often comes down to how an application was coded: applications can often be much more efficient for AMD's GPUs if you write them to pack instructions in a manner that better fits their VLIW architecture. As a result NVIDIA does better on average, while AMD can rip apart embarrassingly parallel tasks such as key crunching. Unfortunately for AMD, VLIW is much more dependent on the compiler and programmer than NV's scalar architecture is.

In any case, much of this is moot with the Ares. In spite of the fact that GPUs are super stream/parallel processors, most consumerish GPGPU applications can't scale to multiple GPUs as they require high-speed (on-chip) communication to work.

GPGPU? (1)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865144)

Lots of frames is neat, but how fast can it run my BOINC client?

Re:GPGPU? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865342)

Well, even the blurb says it's two 5870s, so I guess as fast as two 5870s?

It's a new card, not a new architecture. There's not going to be a significant difference in performance from other cards built on the same GPUs modulo clocks.

But you knew that.

5890 Ultra (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865148)

So it's actually a ATI Radeon 5890 Ultra. You will be cheaper off buying two discrete 5870 cards and running them in Crossfire. Thermals will be better and thus you will be able to overclock them further.

Re:5890 Ultra (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865358)

Thats like 5770 cards, doing it cheap with batmobile plastic coolers, buy the bigger real $$$ card now. Feel that 6 month tech bump as you look for any shipping game to enjoy :)

Re:5890 Ultra (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866186)

No idea what you just said dude.

Re:5890 Ultra (2, Interesting)

Vigile (99919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865504)

This article also compares the ARES to a pair of HD 5870s and you are mostly correct:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=953 [pcper.com]

Keep in mind that with 2GB cards you are actually only saving about $200 by NOT using the ARES.

Am I a cheap bastard? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865152)

The Asus ARES commands a hefty $1200 MSRP.

What the fuck

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865198)

it comes with an aluminium briefcase, has a box 3x the size of a typical asus graphics card and weighs 5 pounds. Therefore 1200 bucks. I'd rather buy half a pound of bc bud/

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865214)

The Asus ARES commands a hefty $1200 MSRP.

What the fuck

I am not really sure what your price expectations are for the fastest videocard ever made, of which the manufacturer makes only 1000 to be sold?

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0, Troll)

Straterra (1045994) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866030)

The fastest video card ever made? Is this the last video card ever made or something? I think maybe you meant the fastest video card to date.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

kno3 (1327725) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866246)

I don't infer from "fastest card ever made" that it will be the last card made.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865244)

Don't worry, nobody is forcing you to buy one, besides only a thousand will be sold in the US anyway, I am sure this Ferrari of a video card will find it's buyer.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

smash (1351) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865676)

I doubt they'll sell all 1000 of them in the current economic climate, either. Unless there are some REALLY fuckin' stupid people over there in the states with lots of money, but big $ and small brain seems to be mutually exclusive elsewhere in the world.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865734)

"Big $ and small brain" aren't a prerequisite for wasteful spending. In fact, if you look around, you'll notice that many of those who really should be more frugal (considering their real level of "$"), are actually often first in line for pointless shopping.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0, Offtopic)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865772)

I think you are actually wrong on this, it is the government policy to get 'consumers' (used to be called citizens) to consume, that's the entire premise of Keynesian economics. In fact look how stupid the entire country is: waiting for the spending numbers rather than production numbers to decide whether the economy is going up or down. All of the state policies are aimed at getting you into the shopping malls, the economy is debt based, it's all about borrowing and printing and staying in debt without any idea of how to repay it and in fact without the expectation of repayment.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

Divide By Zero (70303) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865996)

Unless there are some REALLY fuckin' stupid people over there in the states with lots of money

Sir or madam, speaking as an American, I can ASSURE you that there are more than a thousand people here who fit your description. If you desire evidence, I would like to remind you of the kind of candidate Big Money likes to elect in this country, and the judgment (or lack thereof) that illustrates. I don't think they'll have any problem selling out of this particular piece of hardware. It just won't be to working stiffs.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1, Informative)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865292)

I only spend ~$100 on average on my videocards.

I got a GTS 250 for $100 close to a half-year ago. A friend of mine just got a Radeon 4870 for $100!

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865308)

I only spend ~$100 on average on my videocards.

I got a GTS 250 for $100 close to a half-year ago. A friend of mine just got a Radeon 4870 for $100!

Great. Now what does this have to do with anything?

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865322)

That there are always people that are too stupid to buy such a thing when you can get a great GPU for 100 dollars? In other words parent explains why this card is totally useless...

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865366)

That there are always people that are too stupid to buy such a thing when you can get a great GPU for 100 dollars?

In other words parent explains why this card is totally useless...

So you are saying that the current 200, 300, 500 and 1000 $ cards offer no value over 100$ ones? That's true I guess, if you are playing games a decade old and/or have a small monitor.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Informative)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865380)

Crysis Warhead at 1680*1050 at max setting 'enthusiast' or something gives 30+ fps on Windows XP SP2 with my AMD Phenom 9950 X4, 8GB RAM, HD5770...

So you were saying?

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865398)

Crysis Warhead at 1680*1050 at max setting 'enthusiast' or something gives 30+ fps on Windows XP SP2 with my AMD Phenom 9950 X4, 8GB RAM, HD5770...

So you were saying?

I am saying that:
1) 30fps is a joke and not anywhere near a playable framerate
2) 5770 is a 150-200$ videocard.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865428)

30fps is a joke and not anywhere near a playable framerate

It is perfectly playable, for anyone with human eyes [wikipedia.org]

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0, Informative)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865442)

30fps is a joke and not anywhere near a playable framerate

It is perfectly playable, for anyone with human eyes [wikipedia.org]

I can't believe anyone still tries to bring up the old "human eye doesn't see beyond 30fps so anything higher is useless" mantra. It has been debunked a hundred times.

http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html [boallen.com]
http://kimpix.net/download/60vs24.avi [kimpix.net]

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (3, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865508)

I can't believe anyone still tries to bring up the old "human eye doesn't see beyond 30fps so anything higher is useless" mantra. It has been debunked a hundred times.

I can't believe anyone has seen a spoked wheel [wikipedia.org] in a movie and never wondered why it rotates backwards.

This "debunking" shown in your first link is not showing the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. Considering the fourfold symmetry of the rotating square, what it's actually demonstrating is that 7.5 fps looks choppier than 15 fps.

There will always exist some particular geometries that will appear choppy at any frame rate. The right way to make it smooth is not by increasing the frame rate, but by motion blur [wikipedia.org] .

As for your second link, it proves exactly the opposite of what it meant to: there's no practical difference between 24 fps and 60 fps. They are using the same arguments audiophiles use to justify paying $500 for a network cable [google.com] : I have eyes/ears that are so much more accurate than yours that I wouldn't be satisfied with that cheap gear you use.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865546)

You're grasping at straws. Try talking to any people who do serious video recording (like actual movies). Try telling them with a straight face that it doesn't matter what FPS they record quick-moving action sequences (where camera is being panned around a lot) with as long as it's above 24 fps and see what kind of reaction you get :)

As for the second video link, if you honest-to-god cannot tell a serious difference between the 2 sequences of Unreal Tournament shown, well... you should be glad I guess, because it means YOU can get away with using a lot cheaper hardware. Me? It pains me to even look at the 24fps video, playing at such a framerate is much worse because it also screws up the precision of player movement.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865576)

For video editing that is crucial so that you can get overlapping frames inside of that 24fps timeframe.

Games however do not work like this. They crank out as much frames per seconds and your HW can handle and then without vsync it is all hit and miss. Ask your movie expert and he'll tell you why that is.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865812)

No, sorry, it is easy to perceive the difference in smoothness between 30fps and 60fps, whether or not there is any motion blur.

Go to any modern TV and enable/disable the "video smoothness" function while watching a movie, and you'll see it for yourself.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866190)

"But but but but but..."

That's motion blur. Maybe the TV creates extra frames but that's still motion blur in your head. No matter what way you look at it. Your brain just puts all these frames into one frame. That's how motion blur works in the first place.

And the reason games do not work like that is because that makes your view lag 1-2 frames behind, so all you're seeing is smoother frames, but not more than about 24 frames per second.

Now you can get a monitor that has the perfect response time that is able to view all these extra frames in 1/30 of a second but blurring, then that would be cool, OR it creates frames so fast that it reaches 100FPS in which case only your subconscious gets to see it but you will not process it.

Too bad so just get over it.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865950)

It's trivial to tell the difference between 24fps and 30fps because a quick sideways pan on TV (even interlaced) is just some stuff moving but a quick sideways pan in the theater, even from the back row, makes me wanna puke. And frankly, you can trivially tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps in a big pan on a large HDTV.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866096)

I have been working enough with video acquisition hardware to be able to telle the difference between 30 Hz and 60 Hz. It isn't that easy to tell but it is possible. Some colleagues had more difficulties though. It is easy to debunk with a double-blind experience though : buy a PS3 eye webcam. It can do real 60 fps and 30 fps. Make a software start a video at random in one mode or the other, and see if people claiming to see a difference can spot it.

People may have a hard time seeing something occuring in less than 1/30th of second, but an animation that goes at 30 or 60 Hz, especially a fast moving object (wave your arm in front of the camera) results in a different kind of motion blur in the eye. One looks more discontinued than the other.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865556)

Movies do just fine with motion blur and so does Crysis.

But if you are a pro online FPS gamer who gets loads of cash then the extra frame that half renders without vsync can make that tiny important difference between who shoots first in a crytical encounter.

But when you are not a pro FPS gamer playing for money on a LAN then higher than 30min - 60max FPS is totally bullshit.

Besides, all hardcore gamers play in a little less high res and everything but lightning, reflection and model detail is as much downscaled as possible. And then there are hardcore gamers who believe gameplay is so much more important than HD graphics.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

chocapix (1595613) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866268)

And then there are hardcore gamers who believe gameplay is so much more important than HD graphics.

Wait, there's another kind? (Of hardcore gamer I mean.)

To me, graphics are good when they make it straightforward to understand what's going on in the game. Graphics can be pretty or not, highly detailed or not, I don't care. I want clarity. And if the game is real-time (eg RTS or FPS), I also want smoothness and low latency.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865664)

Also I can "see" when an old CRT is at 60Hz, it's blinking and I get a headache. This wouldn't be possible if we could only see at 30 FPS.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32866128)

Your eyes don't see at a specific frequency as if you have a rotating shutter installed in each eye that discretely breaks up information for your brain. In fact the conditions in which flicker will occur are strongly dependent on the brightness in the room and the brightness of the display along with the frame rate. If you watch a visually dark movie on an old CRT in a dark room, it is very unlikely you will see flicker. This is because the flicker on your CRT is your ability to see darkening of the phosphors between frames. If you have problems with old CRTs, try turning down the brightness or darkening the room.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

Jenming (37265) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866022)

Here is a simple test. Try adjusting the refresh rate on your monitor. Start above 75 and go lower. At some point you will start to see it flicker. Note that the point you start to see it flicker is well above 30.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865436)

not to mention that lots of people these days play on 1920*1080 or above screen (the ones spending 500 bucks on a vga card anyway)

and with eyefinity out on the loose, some people play these games spanning three monitors

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865590)

OK even if you'd buy two 200 USD graphics cards every two years than you'll always be able to play the latest games and tech compared to one 1200 USD card every six years. 200*2 = 400 ... 400*3 years = 1200 USD.

Not to mention that you stay up to date with the latest OpenGL (currently version 4 if you missed it) and GLSL and DirectX

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (4, Informative)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865516)

1) 30fps is a joke and not anywhere near a playable framerate

FPS is one of those subjective issues where there seems to be a lot more "I don't like X so you are daft for suggesting someone might" then hard facts.

For lot of people 30fps is perfectly fine if it is a minimum rate rather than an average. A lot of people talk at cross purposes on this one, the "30 is fine" crowd assuming that the people looking for 100fps+ when there monitor probably refreshes at 60Hz are daft and want 100+fps everywhere and the "30 is no were near enough" crowd thinking that the 30fpss would be happy with 30 on average. For games that require decent graphics hardware the demand on that hardware can vary a lot, so a card that gets 30pfs in some areas will drop below 15fps in others, likewise that card that pushes 100Hz in the lighter scenes may drop below 50 on the really heavy ones.

So any quote of an fps requirement or recommendation is completely useless unless you qualify the figure in more detail.

Another factor that needs to be considered is screen size. An object moving from one side of the screen to the other at the same framerate is going to look smoother on an smaller monitor than it'll look on a full-wall projector (unless of course you are far away from said wall, to the point where it is effectively the same size as the small monitor in terms of how it appear on the back of your eye). How far objects on the display travel between frames is what needs to be measured, not just how many frames there are in a given time. This brings up another point as to why this sort of thing is subjective and difficult to sound reasonable discussing (without so much supporting detail that you bore people to death) - it very much depends on what games you play and how you play them.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

raynet (51803) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865738)

But 15fps is still very playable, especially if it is constant 15fps. What makes games unplayable (or atleast annoying) is having 30fps, then 15fps, then 60fps and then 1fps. I usually can enjoy games as long as they get to the 15-20fps range, anything slower than that and aiming becomes difficult.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865806)

15fps is often fine if it is constant, though I would usually demand more (and be willing to drop things like texture quality, AA, and so on to compensate) from a fast-paced game.

A drop from ~30 to ~15 in a busy scene, if you are watching intently, can be a bit jarring though (I assume the change in timing is enough to kick off a "something is different, best be alert" reflex in the brain's optical processing). Much more so then the same relative change in a drop from ~60 to ~30 (which I'm not 100% sure I'd particularly notice if I'm honest - though I'm not a big gamer with good eye-sight!).

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

smash (1351) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865678)

Back in the day we played games at sub-20 fps and we liked it.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

KibibyteBrain (1455987) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866072)

I don't know, while for almost anyone reading this thread such a mentality is true, if I were a millionaire gamer I guess it would be stupid NOT to get one of these. Mind you some people in this world pay more than $1200 for clothing, or even dinner.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865376)

What price range were you expecting for 'fastest video card'?

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

smash (1351) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865672)

Exactly. This thing is going to be desperately looking for a market. Fact is that PC games can be played on quite average hardware these days because they are either ported from, or intended to be ported to consoles.

Couple that with the fact that by the time games can really take advantage of that horsepower in about 12-18 months time, you'll be able to get the same throughput on a $400 card that takes up less space, runs cooler and uses less power.

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865728)

I don't get why people are saying that; among the most popular PC games you'll find WoW, soon Starcraft 2 (and, unfortunately not soon, Diablo 3 - but how late it will be only strengthens what I'm trying to show), numerous games based on Source, Galciv2, Sins of Solar Empire, soon Elemental (really can't wait for this one); also such nice gems as World of Goo, Aquaria, et al. Many of those supposedly showing "what PC gaming is all about", most of those not touching consoles in any way, also most with quite "modest" GFX (but, via nice artistic touches, often looking phenomenally). And now you're saying it has something to do with consoles?

No, publishers simply got their senses some time ago and don't want to limit their group of customers just for pointless bling (helps that laptops are a majority of PCs sold)

And there's also Solitaire, Farmville or Peggle...

Re:Am I a cheap bastard? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866016)

The Asus ARES commands a hefty $1200 MSRP.

What the fuck

And the name is still (barely) an anagram of "arse". :-) [urbandictionary.com]

And the games? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865170)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_11_support [wikipedia.org]
When will we have some new eye candy to make the new cards melt?

Re:And the games? (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865928)

When the next generation of consoles arrive.

Re:And the games? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866006)

Then we get dx 10 support? In like a few years :)

limited edition (2, Insightful)

visualight (468005) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865210)

Have other cards been offered as 'limited editions'? I was reading the review and thinking "cool, I'll have that in a year..." but then noticed they're only shipping 1000. Then I thought, no way, it might be _that_ card that's just 1000 units, but I'm pretty sure one almost like it will follow.

Re:limited edition (2, Interesting)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865536)

Have other cards been offered as 'limited editions'?

From what I've seen there is often at least one for each generation of each major manufacturer's chip. Sometimes there is more than one, as two or more board builders compete with each other to see who can earn most nerd points by pushing a given generation of chip the furthest (by over-clocking everything, over-speccing other parts, including the require cooling system to keep the out-of-spec setup inside an acceptable thermal profile, and turning marketing up to 11).

I tend to ignore such limited editions though. More often than not the price/performance ratio of them is many times more ridiculous than the officially (by the chip maker) sanctioned top-of-the-range cards which them selves offer poor p/p compared to the next layer or two down.

This sort of card has two purposes. It is aimed at selling to the sort of people that want the best of the best no matter what the cost and even if they know something better will be along next month, and it raises the profile of the company a bit via coverage on hardware review sites and news agregators like ./.

Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865218)

All the "benchmarks" were windows games. How does the card run on Linux?

Re:Linux? (4, Funny)

gazbo (517111) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865230)

Dude, Nethack fucking SCREAMS. As long as you install the proprietary binary drivers.

Re:Linux? (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865344)

Stupid troll... This OpenGL hotness runs on Linux: http://unigine.com/screenshots/ [unigine.com] Crysis would whish it would come close to that, ROFL...

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865454)

Yeah that game is awesome... oh wait.

Re:Linux? (3, Informative)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865524)

Oh yeah sorry... I forgot to mention that that engine is actually used to make this commercial game that is comming to Linux: http://www.primalcarnage.com/website/ [primalcarnage.com]

Re:Linux? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865390)

Dude, Nethack fucking SCREAMS. As long as you install the proprietary binary drivers.

I think you find in the case of NetHack that should be 'proprietary ASCII drivers'

Why this doesn't matter (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865260)

This [techbuket.net] was over the top, totally bonkers, hilariously exaggerated just 10 years ago. With not two but 5 of the hottest graphics processors of the time on one board, it would smoke the competition in any benchmark (particularly Bungholiomark). Now tell me, what good would five times the performance of a ten year old card do in one of today's games? The ASUS ARES is just as ridiculous, but it's real and they expect you to pay real money for it. If you do that, the joke is on you.

Re:Why this doesn't matter (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865340)

lol owned by Apple :)

Re:Why this doesn't matter (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865386)

This [techbuket.net] was over the top, totally bonkers, hilariously exaggerated just 10 years ago.

"Just"? Just ten years ago? The only thing I've got left from 10 years ago is the mouse. If you're still using it ten years later, I rather think you've had your money's worth.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Why this doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865408)

Even today people get owned by this card.

Re:Why this doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865478)

If you're still using it ten years later, I rather think you've had your money's worth.

Interesting. So if I understand correctly, you throw out everything you own after 10 years even if it's still in working condition because not doing so would be unfair to the industry (after all, you had your money's worth)?

That's about the only way I can make sense of your comment. Sure, replace what's broken, and upgrade what doesn't perform adequately anymore, but if something is working and still performing well, why replace it?

For example, I've got a microwave that's about 25 years old now. Nothing fancy about it, but it's built like a tank, and it's working. I could get a new one, but why? It still heats food like it's supposed to. I'll buy a new one (and a fancy new one for that matter) the very day it breaks, but before that, why should I throw it out just because I've "had my money's worth"?

Really, I cannot understand you.

Re:Why this doesn't matter (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865498)

Interesting. So if I understand correctly, you throw out everything you own after 10 years even if it's still in working condition because not doing so would be unfair to the industry (after all, you had your money's worth)?

No - clearly not. But computers are of their time - a ten year-old machine that's still doing good work today represents excellent, and I do mean excellent value. Same for a peripheral. I'm typing now on an...erm...I think 4 year-old MacBook Pro - it's the newest machine I've got and I have absolutely no plans for an upgrade yet. I actually do have a ten year-old PC doing good work, acting as a MAME box. I have older retro kit too but I'm discounting these as they're not part of my 'normal' computing set-up.

That's about the only way I can make sense of your comment. Sure, replace what's broken, and upgrade what doesn't perform adequately anymore, but if something is working and still performing well, why replace it?

Never said you should. Said quite the opposite in fact - said that if you're still using a ten year-old card today, you've had excellent value. Thing is though, I doubt you are and I'll bet there are good, sane reasons for this.

For example, I've got a microwave that's about 25 years old now. Nothing fancy about it, but it's built like a tank, and it's working. I could get a new one, but why? It still heats food like it's supposed to. I'll buy a new one (and a fancy new one for that matter) the very day it breaks, but before that, why should I throw it out just because I've "had my money's worth"?

Nonsensical. The demands on your microwave haven't changed - it needed to cook food then, it needs to cook pretty much the same food now. The demands on a computer certainly have changed though, particularly those on a high-end graphics card. High end of ten years back could be breezed through by anything on sale today, high end of today will be breezed through by anything on sale in 2020. It's not a static environment.

Incidentally, you might want to look at your 25 year old microwave. Bet you you'd save by buying a new one that's more power efficient.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Why this doesn't matter (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865692)

Never said you should. Said quite the opposite in fact - said that if you're still using a ten year-old card today, you've had excellent value. Thing is though, I doubt you are and I'll bet there are good, sane reasons for this.

Joining the discussion - that's actually quite possible and not much of a stretch. In fact, one of my most often used PCs has...Matrox G400 16MB; one that will be 10 years old in a month IIRC (and the type is available for 11 years, I think). Most of the components in that machine are a bit younger by now (not by much), sure - but the GFX card does not really limit anything, not for what this machine was and is used (web, IM, TV, a little writing & small dev stuff, even basic video editing in its time - though I could easily edit 720p or 1080p via proxy editing...and basically can watch the former if I really want to, for some reason; all mostly a matter of proper, efficient software)

I doubt newer microwaves are in any appreciate way more power efficient BTW - they are still made pretty much in the same way, which is determined by the basic concept behind how they work and pretty basic, straightforward and long-known implementation of it. Old one might lose, somewhat, due to aging of transformer / caps / etc., but probably not by much (certainly not justifying throwing it away)

Re:Why this doesn't matter (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865482)

dunno...the Chrome and the Volari would've slowed things down...greatly.

Yeah, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865352)

Is it Bitchin' Fast? [planetdognine.com]

Re:Yeah, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865372)

Shit, go ahead and mod me redundant. I guess I just wasn't Bitchin' Fast enough :-(

Crysis (1)

Artem Tashkinov (764309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865402)

Finally, something that can run Crysis at any resolution.

Print layout ... (1)

Artem Tashkinov (764309) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865406)

is here [hothardware.com] for you pleasure.

Go Back in time with it (1)

Zeussy (868062) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865418)

Imagine, going back in time with that card, in its case, to the time of the Voodoo 2.

"Look, I have brought a graphics card from the future!"
*Crack open the case (with added dry ice for the appropriate smoke effects)
"Compared to your puny Voodoo2 with 8mb of ram, this has 4GB! Weighs over 2 kg and requires over 200 watts of power and other fancy numbers. Tremble at it's heatsink!"

Anyway, I digress, I wonder if this card is faster than all the Voodoo2s sold put together?

Re:Go Back in time with it (2, Interesting)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865466)

I wonder if this card is faster than all the Voodoo2s sold put together?

Who knows, but that's not of the essence. Unfortunately, computer games have gone the way of Hollywood movies, all glitter and no substance.

My favorite game genres are adventure games and car simulations. Ten years ago i used to play the Need for Spped - Porshce [wikipedia.org] game and I still have to see a similar game that's as fun for the casual gamer.

Racing games today have much better graphics, the cars look almost like photographs, but they aren't fun to drive. Either they have no physics engine at all, they are arcade games meant to be played with a gamepad, like the Need for Speed games since "Underground", or they are like Richard Burns Rally, so hard to play it starts looking like work.

As for adventure games, the golden age of 1990s is gone. There were EGA or VGA games like Space Quest and Monkey Island that were so fun to play and have no modern successors.

It's a pity that the availability of so much visual power seems to have derailed the creativity from making fun games to enhanced visual effects.

Re:Go Back in time with it (2, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865548)

As for adventure games, the golden age of 1990s is gone. There were EGA or VGA games like Space Quest and Monkey Island that were so fun to play and have no modern successors.

It's not that sad. There's still gems here [telltalegames.com] and there [machinarium.net] .

Re:I don't know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865798)

but it probably doubles as a egg fryer (caution: the warranty does not cover frying eggs).

Re:Go Back in time with it (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865810)

Though "Porsche Unleashed" was an arcade game already...as pretty much whole NFS series from its inception. Which isn't strictly a bad thing, really - after all it essentially means that a game knows it's a game.

(generally, consider you might be also falling a bit into simple nostalgia; and overlooking lots of indy stuff, which gives often quite close experience to "golden days", whichever time period we mean by that in given discussion (~= from your youth); with "mainstream" expanded, and popular stuff being what fits nicely into current level of technology)

Re:Go Back in time with it (1)

Shark (78448) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866234)

The first FlatOut still has soul. It's quite a blast to play with a steering wheel and a bunch of friends.

Re:Go Back in time with it (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865700)

Bringing back two Voodoo 2 cards, found for pennies now, (or some nice Voodoo 3) would be probably a bit more practical.

Re:Go Back in time with it (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866120)

You do realize that was only 12 years ago? (98?) We've come a long way. Then compare it to smartphone development, which has grown light years faster than the PC side of things. It goes to show what competition can bring to innovation. The PC has become a stale fixed platform. Sure we get a faster processor every couple of years and the amount of ram in PCs now is astounding, but at its core, its still basically the same machine that existed 15-20 years ago. 64-bit is the only thing relatively new, and to be honest, that's fairly old hat by now. When 4GB or RAM started to become relatively cheap, it forced OEMs to start throwing 64-bit windows on their machines so consumers could upgrade eventually. Most vista machines shipped were shipped with 32-bit Vista, the tides finally seem to be shifting with windows 7. SMP on the average dell desktop? Surely that's progress, but most workstations in the 90s had SMP. Its only taken us 10+ years for that to become common and cheap. The only thing that keeps intel pushing forward is the fact that amd is right on their coattails, and has demonstrated that they can beat them time and time again when they become lax. Now apple uses nothing but intel, so there aren't even any alternate platforms for the PC anymore. The smartphone space may be interesting to watch, because lots of interesting PC-like technologies will start to appear with the flood of pads following the ipad being only the beginning. Over time these devices will become more and more PC-like, and I personally think that people desire smaller and smaller form factors. Witness the fall of the desktop to the notebook to the netbook, and now perhaps to the pad. If you can give people hulu, facebook, and farmville, you really have satisfied the masses. The future is certainly going to be interesting in a lot of ways.

Wow (1)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865468)

This just in : spend $1200 on a graphics card and you'll get a card that destroys everything else on benchmarks! (til next month) And you'll have to wait 3 solid years before games are out that really need the card!

Film at 11.

And don't forget (2, Insightful)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866080)

In 3 years when that game comes out, there will be a card available to run that game and it'll cost about $100-$150.

Re:Wow (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866136)

Trust me. If they think they could sell a $2400 card, they certainly would try. When the front of the pack started costing about $500 for the price of admission, it was clear to me that they would just keep increasing the limit higher and higher. $1200 is a lot, but at only 1000 cards, I think they realize this is a very limited market.

what's the point of the briefcase? (3, Interesting)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865470)

sure...it's cool..but at the same time...gimmicky..
once I install the card...it stays in the there and not in the briefcase.

And the "gaming mouse"....I'm sorry, I like my G5 (rev 2).

Plus the price makes it un-attractive.

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (2, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865614)

Just so if you go on vacation, and decide to take your gaming graphics card, instead of your girlfriend . . . it should be great for getting flagged, when going through airport security.

TSA agent: "Sir, what exactly is this . . . ?"

Gamer: "It's the fastest graphics card in the world, as we know it! And it costs $1200 . . . and came with this great briefcase!"

TSA to colleague: "I don't see any Apple logo on it. Cuff him, and put him on the next flight to Guantanamo. Send the briefcase to the lab in Langley, and see if they can figure out how this weapon of mass destruction works . . ."

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865726)

that's what my LAN party rig is for...

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (2)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866148)

I was going to make a snarky remark about how it would be unlikely that you would have a gf if you bought this card, but come to think of it, if you have $1200 to blow on a video card, there is a very good chance that you have a girlfriend.

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (1)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865630)

getting on /.

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865714)

And the "gaming mouse"....I'm sorry, I like my G5 (rev 2).

That's OK. They're not forcing you to use the bundled mouse, y'know.

Re:what's the point of the briefcase? (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866156)

The card costs $1200. Do you think that they would just put it in a static bag and drop it in a cardboard box? The packaging of a high-end retail item is typically one of the most important aspects. Companies spend a lot of time and money to have really interesting packaging.

Except on Linux where it's yet anotehr DUD !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32865472)

It's a dud dood !!
    It's a windoze is for lozerz money pit !!!!

Gaming driving video card development (1)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 4 years ago | (#32865890)

Now all we need is the next iteration of Crysis to suck the life out of the latest and greatest video card so people will be pining away for something offering the performance of 3 of these puppies in crossfire mode @ 1/3 of the price.

Geeks all over the world are going to have to live with mom and dad an extra few months to pay for that indulgence. :)

IO limited? (1)

32771 (906153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32866204)

Assuming the card provides 4.64 TFLOPS and PCIe offers 8GB/s I would assume one can perform 2320 single floating point operations per single float send. Is this what GPU programmers want, or do you feel that the card is twiddling its thumbs?

I could imagine that the io-flops rate is just like it should be but I'm curious what people think about it.

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