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South Korea Deploys Killer Robot In DMZ

CmdrTaco posted about 4 years ago | from the truth-is-stranger-than-fiction dept.

Robotics 243

shikaisi writes "Not content with just killing people in computer games, South Korea has gone one better and is deploying remotely controlled sentry robots on the border with the north. According to the article 'If the command centre operator cannot identify possible intruders through the robot's audio or video communications system, the operator can order it to fire its gun or 40mm automatic grenade launcher.'"

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ooo-weeee-ooooooooo..... (0, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#32886196)

KILLER TOFUUUUUU

Re:ooo-weeee-ooooooooo..... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#32886544)

I'm fine with the -1 offtopic...but no one has gotten the reference? Sad Panda :*(

Re:ooo-weeee-ooooooooo..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32887490)

We all like The Beets. You're just a faggot. Try hard much?

Re:ooo-weeee-ooooooooo..... (1)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | about 4 years ago | (#32887526)

I 'got' the reference, Doug was awesome back in the day, one of the original Nicktoons, etc etc

You have 30 seconds to comply (3, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 4 years ago | (#32886220)

... when ED-209 orders you to drop your gun, make sure it doesn't land on something soft that cushions the sound, mmmmmkay?

Re:You have 30 seconds to comply (2, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | about 4 years ago | (#32887566)

In related news, following the announcement that South Korea would soon be deploying robotic turrets, North Korea announced that the army would double their production of zerglings and mutalisks.

That......is....... (1)

drc003 (738548) | about 4 years ago | (#32886224)

....AWESOME! (Stated with the loveable enthusiasm of Chris Farley)

Good (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | about 4 years ago | (#32886228)

Maybe the U.S./South Korea can deploy robots of our own and put less humans in harm's way. And rather than risk a major incident [wikipedia.org] with every patrol, both sides can just sit back and play a glorified videogame. It's sure to beat what happens [wikipedia.org] when the humans there interact.

Re:Good (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886304)

This actually was South Korea's doing. I severely doubt North Korea can spare the tech - I think they're putting all of their efforts into project "Nuke-Seoul-and-DC-on-Glorious-Leader's-Birthday"

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886314)

It's sure to beat what happens [wikipedia.org] when the humans there interact.

From the Wikipedia article:

"October 27, 2009: A South Korean pig farmer, who was wanted for assault, cut a hole in the DMZ fence and defected to North Korea"

I betting this pig farmer wasn't a real deep thinker.

Re:Good (2, Insightful)

cusco (717999) | about 4 years ago | (#32886374)

Hell, he knows how to make food. That's a pretty valuable skill in NK at this point, he's probably worth more to their gov't than a programmer stupid enough to defect.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32887058)

Watching pigs screw is making food? Hell call me Executive Chef!

Re:Good (2, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | about 4 years ago | (#32886404)

Uh, it's South Korea that's deploying the robots. You think North Korea has the engineering capability to pull something like that off?

Re:Good (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | about 4 years ago | (#32886620)

I think they could. Most engineers could make a robot from toy parts. Now adays. Even though North Korea is mostly blocked off from the rest of the world, it could get its hands on some rather simple non-classified low tech stuff.

Remote Control, a Web Cam, and some servos attach them to a gun and you have a killing robot.

Re:Good (3, Funny)

molecular (311632) | about 4 years ago | (#32886738)

if the mythbusters could do it, so can north korea

Re:Good (1)

idontgno (624372) | about 4 years ago | (#32887864)

You do understand that Mythbusters has a substantially higher budget than the DPRK, don't you?

And, as far as I can tell, better engineers. Except maybe for Tory.

Re:Good (2, Interesting)

royallthefourth (1564389) | about 4 years ago | (#32886644)

You think North Korea has the engineering capability to pull something like that off?

Yes, people my age were all taught while growing up that one of the poorest countries on the planet is a terrifying threat to our very existence.

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#32887492)

One of the poorest countries on earth is a nuclear power with medium range ballistic missiles capable of devastating Japan and short range artillery capable of devastating S. Korea. This is a country that the US and S. Korea are still officially at war with, and they occasionally attack. I forgot to mention that it is run by a delusional god emperor known for kidnapping TV personalities from other nations for his own personal entertainment.

Where is James Bond when you need him.

Re:Good (1)

e2d2 (115622) | about 4 years ago | (#32887952)

Considering I could build one myself - yes I do think they have this capability.

Re:Good (-1, Offtopic)

Moryath (553296) | about 4 years ago | (#32886566)

Maybe the US can deploy these to our own southern border, so we don't have to have our border patrol agents and citizens constantly getting killed by the narco-smuggler terrorists from that shitty little rat-infested scumhole to our south.

Re:Good (1)

Zantac69 (1331461) | about 4 years ago | (#32886700)

I am strangely comfortable with that idea.

Re:Good (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | about 4 years ago | (#32886918)

We already do. [digitaljournal.com]

Ok, ours don't have guns (probably), but they do fly.

Re:Good (4, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | about 4 years ago | (#32887444)

Spoken like a true Canadian.

Re:Good (2, Insightful)

kalirion (728907) | about 4 years ago | (#32886888)

Until the robots decide that rather than killing each other for no reason, it would be in their best interest to band together against a common foe?

Everything you need to know from Star Trek (1)

worldthinker (536300) | about 4 years ago | (#32887746)

In the everything you need to know you can learn from Star Trek department our gallant crew on a mission to establish diplomatic ties with a planet discover that this planet has been at war with their neighbor for 500 years. No visible damage to the planet is observed. Then the kicker is revealed that they have been fighting this war by computer game. The casualties voluntarily walk into disintegration chambers.

Kirk in his weekly quest to disregard the prime directive arranges to show his captors what real war is about. They either suffer the destruction and horror of real war or sue for peace.

The danger here is that by deploying battlefield robots like these, we take the inherent danger and horror of war down to an antiseptic alternative that is palatable.

Re:Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32887954)

Now only civilians will die. Glad we are protecting the soldiers who are supposed to be protecting cvilians.

Fallout (1, Troll)

kainewynd2 (821530) | about 4 years ago | (#32886236)

Time to get into my T-51B power armor... shit's about to get real...

Re:Fallout (1)

mfh (56) | about 4 years ago | (#32886624)

Shit just got real [youtube.com] .

So what's new? Predators, anybody? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886250)

The US has been using predator drones that can kill for quite a while. What's new here? Perhaps there is a need for a real discussion about automated systems that can deploy lethal force, but this "news" just isn't all that new.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (1, Funny)

hedwards (940851) | about 4 years ago | (#32886540)

I'm shocked that it's been allowed to progress this far. I always thought that it was a war crime to use robots in this fashion. It's great to keep people out of harms way when it's your people. But when the bots are on the other side it's a different story. Not just that, but without an actual person there, it gets really hard to ascertain what's going on. Not to mention, the increased likelihood of a Terminator style robots running amok scenario.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886724)

Terminator??

This isn't an autonomous robot at all. The gun is still fired by a person. The person just isn't physically moving the gun anymore. It's no different than the remotely operated guns have appeared on ships and helicopters for decades.

Again, the gun is manned.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | about 4 years ago | (#32886962)

Why would it be a war crime? A predator pilot has a better picture of what's going on than a tank commander, a fighter pilot, or a Apache pilot. I suspect the same is true when you compare robots with high def cameras and guards in towers with binoculars and rifle sights.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (1)

wagnerrp (1305589) | about 4 years ago | (#32887420)

I always thought that it was a war crime to use robots in this fashion. It's great to keep people out of harms way when it's your people. But when the bots are on the other side it's a different story.

So you're saying when we do it, it's fine, but when any one else does it, that's a war crime? Do as I say, not as I do? By the way, we sided with South Korea on this one.

I'm not sure why you thought that (1)

sean.peters (568334) | about 4 years ago | (#32887910)

The military forces of the world have been using systems way more automated than this for a very long time. Examples:

  • Mk 46, 48, 50 homing torpedoes
  • Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles
  • Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS

The first two are given an approximate target location, launched, and told to kill any ship (submarine) they find there. The Phalanx is turned on and told to shoot any airborne object that meets certain threat criteria. All done completely autonomously, with no ability for a human to even countermand an attack decision.

By comparison, the South Korean system is actually remote controlled - it's not especially remarkable in any way, nor does it violate any particular law of war. This is old news.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886546)

As a non-native English speaker. I wonder what's the meaning of "demilitarized", that's what is news to me.

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (1, Insightful)

SpongeBob Hitler (1848328) | about 4 years ago | (#32887012)

As a non-native English speaker. I wonder what's the meaning of "demilitarized", that's what is news to me.

It's one of those bizarre terms we have in Newspeak, kind of like "police action".

Re:So what's new? Predators, anybody? (1)

wagnerrp (1305589) | about 4 years ago | (#32887568)

North and South Korea have been in a state of war for the past 60 years. The two sides agreed to an armistice, pulling their lines back to 2km on either side of the 38th parallel. The 'demilitarized zone' is this 4km wide buffer zone between the two front lines, where no military forces are allowed to pass, under risk of restarting active conflict.

But what about the 3 laws! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886252)

And this is where some fucking idiot chimes in about the 3 laws of robotics.

Re:But what about the 3 laws! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886420)

No, we'd have to be real idiots to not know the difference between a robot and a waldo. These are waldoes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_manipulator), although they don't use a physical or mechanical linkage. Robots would need some autonomy (which these don't have). So I don't know what the "laws of waldoes" are, but they aren't Asimov's ones.

Re:But what about the 3 laws! (2, Funny)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | about 4 years ago | (#32886550)

Where is Waldo [youtube.com] ?

Re:But what about the 3 laws! (1)

e2d2 (115622) | about 4 years ago | (#32887074)

From Websters:

Robot ...
3. a mechanism guided by automatic controls

Robot is a vague term and it does not mean strictly autonomous. Using the autonomous definition the "robotic arm" on the shuttle is not robotic at all. But it most certainly is. It's a term used to describe more than one thing, autonomous and "remote manipulators" included.

Re:But what about the 3 laws! (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#32887564)

I believe that these things aim automatically, but require a command to fire. So technically they are partially autonomous.

Pictures? (3, Insightful)

slyrat (1143997) | about 4 years ago | (#32886258)

This would be a much better article if there were any sort of pictures of said robot. I'm more interested in what kind of construction / form it is in.

Re:Pictures? (0, Offtopic)

Speedcraver (868818) | about 4 years ago | (#32886322)

I saw this robot in person. It looks just like Laura Croft.

Re:Pictures? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886450)

I'm assuming it's this one: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/06/11/14/0132216/Machine-Gun-Sentry-Robot-Unveiled
Or a new generation of the thing

Re:Pictures? (4, Informative)

alex-tokar (1727590) | about 4 years ago | (#32886556)

Found this picture [yimg.com] at Yahoo news reporting the same thing.

Re:Pictures? (1)

Creepy (93888) | about 4 years ago | (#32886816)

I prefer to use my imagination. Currently it is Evil Otto (a bouncing happy face) from the game Berzerk, and a robotic voice is saying "Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert! Stop the Intruder!"

Re:Pictures? (1)

snookerhog (1835110) | about 4 years ago | (#32887924)

"Chicken, fight like a robot!"

Techwin! (5, Informative)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 4 years ago | (#32886296)

This is that you want to see [youtube.com] - it shoots things near the end, the beginning is more a demo for the CnC GUI.

Re:Techwin! (1)

Zantac69 (1331461) | about 4 years ago | (#32886446)

Really neat - wish they would have demonstrated the grenade launcher!

But I noticed that it was a Samsung product. Is it going to get an upgrade to Froyo or are they going to have to stick with Eclair?

Re:Techwin! (1)

siddesu (698447) | about 4 years ago | (#32886598)

I wonder if the NK army will have to paint white crosses on all their soldiers.

- needs more processing, predictive hit boxes (2, Interesting)

RichMan (8097) | about 4 years ago | (#32886676)

Target shooting shown is stationary.

In the video the hit boxes seem to lag a bit. Likely a processing lag. There needs to be a predictive part to get ahead of the processing lag so they can hit moving targets.

nah, brute-force it (1)

molecular (311632) | about 4 years ago | (#32886912)

they might as well just spray the rough area with bullets, giving the term "brute-force attack" a new meaning.

I sure hope that's a misprint. (1)

shikaisi (1816846) | about 4 years ago | (#32886300)

If the command centre operator cannot identify possible intruders through the robot's audio or video communications system, the operator can order it to fire

I sure hope that "cannot" instead of "can" is a misprint or journalistic license. Or did the South Koreans learn their rules of engagement from watching war movies?

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (4, Informative)

cusco (717999) | about 4 years ago | (#32886414)

No, that would be standard rules of engagement for the DMZ. Wandering livestock is regularly shot there, and sometimes the shepherds that try to retrieve them.

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (1)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | about 4 years ago | (#32886730)

Uhm....if you can't identify an intruder in a location where they should be nobody. Why would you not KOS? It's that sort of hesitation that puts your robot / people at risk and why Afghan and Iraq suicide bombers and hiding in plain sight works so well. They cannot have a KOS DMZ. But NK and SK? I'm surprised there aren't automated sentry guns, barb wire fencing, huge ditches, tall walls, flood lights, and a special "nuke" drop in case all shit hits the fan.

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (3, Informative)

AndersOSU (873247) | about 4 years ago | (#32887026)

There are all those things except the nuke drop (and the North may even be able to do that - but probably not). But you missed the most important part: tons and tons of mines, both anti-personnel and anti-armor.

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (1)

arekusu_ou (1344373) | about 4 years ago | (#32887762)

wow, if somebody makes it through all that unwelcoming signs and shows up on my doorstep, I would be very inclined to shoot first and ask questions second. Especially with a neighbor with a history of behavior like NK. //
Gun wielding homeowner: how'd you get in here, where's my dog.
Intruder: he won't be bothering us.
*Homeowner puts one into the intruder's forehead
Homeowner: I loved that dog.

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (4, Informative)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | about 4 years ago | (#32887396)

...I'm surprised there aren't automated sentry guns, barb wire fencing, huge ditches, tall walls, flood lights, and a special "nuke" drop in case all shit hits the fan.

There are several of those things on the boarder.
On the South Korean side of the DMZ, I saw a very tall razor-wire fence, then a deep trench, then another large razor-wire fence on the other side of the trench. On every few fence poles their is either a floodlight, a camera, or a super sensitive microphone. Apparently, they can hear just about anything that moves on their side of the DMZ, then figure out the exact location from the delay between different microphones. Every 500 meters is a manned guard tower with a big-ass machine gun.

There is also a huge wall inside the DMZ, separating the two Koreas. SK says their isn't, but it is clearly visible from the North. (this knowledge is from a documentary video from another group of people, I refuse to go to the North myself, I do not want my dollars going to their government)

Re:I sure hope that's a misprint. (1)

kanto (1851816) | about 4 years ago | (#32887468)

You're missing the point; not only are they saying that all Koreans don't look alike, but that they also don't sound alike either... it's news to me.

Old news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886318)

Original announcement [slashdot.org] ... or is the story that the robots are now deployed?

Dead or Alive (1)

mfh (56) | about 4 years ago | (#32886350)

RoboCop: Dead or alive, you're coming with me!
Peasant: We just want to live in South Korea!! Please don't kill us!!! North Korea is bad!!! (cries)
RoboCop: {{fires all turrets at North Korean peasant family}}

Re:Dead or Alive (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 4 years ago | (#32887344)

The Norks cross into China, not generally over the DMZ. Defending SK is so vital that a few dead Nork border jumpers are literally trivial.

Not to be outdone... NK deploys A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4k (1)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | about 4 years ago | (#32886386)

nt

Korea's Theme Song (1)

SnugglesTheBear (1822258) | about 4 years ago | (#32886392)

Korea's theme song should be Linkin Park's Closer.

Re:Korea's Theme Song (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | about 4 years ago | (#32886678)

Do you mean "One Step Closer"?

Babies (0)

glittermage (650813) | about 4 years ago | (#32886444)

Maybe South Korea should invest in robots that encourage more baby making.

Re:Babies (1)

ascari (1400977) | about 4 years ago | (#32886474)

Thanks a lot dude, you just killed the sex-bot industry.

ZERG RUSH!! (1)

Overunderrated (1518503) | about 4 years ago | (#32886466)

sorry, obligatory.

That won't stop lil' Kim (1)

slart42 (694765) | about 4 years ago | (#32886480)

The killbots have a preset kill limit - so he'll just send wave after wave of his men, until they are defeated (as learned from Zap Brannigan).

release date came early (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886490)

So the ROK has deployed autosentry guns?
Next up: point defense drones.

The Brannigan Counterstrategy (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about 4 years ago | (#32886498)

Nice try, but the North Koreans will just send wave after wave of their own men at the killbots until they reached their pre-programmed kill limit of 999,999.

Re:The Brannigan Counterstrategy (4, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | about 4 years ago | (#32886842)

640 kills should be enough for anybody.

I am going to hell now.

Re:The Brannigan Counterstrategy (2, Informative)

Keebler71 (520908) | about 4 years ago | (#32887594)

Shouldn't that be 640,000 kills?

Re:The Brannigan Counterstrategy (1)

tokul (682258) | about 4 years ago | (#32887020)

Nice try, but the North Koreans will just send wave after wave of their own men at the killbots until they reached their pre-programmed kill limit of 999,999.

So South Koreans can reduce order to 25 robots.

Human wave might work for Chinese, Vietnamese or Japanese, but Kim's army will have some problems with that.

Re:The Brannigan Counterstrategy (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 4 years ago | (#32887930)

It will be a grim day for killbots when they do.

Nice (1)

Krneki (1192201) | about 4 years ago | (#32886510)

So now it's open season for hackers to root this bots.

DHS (1)

kenh (9056) | about 4 years ago | (#32886520)

Apparently the US Department of Homeland Security is looking into this technology - but they want to combine this with the phenomenon of Internet Hunting [howstuffworks.com] - they view this as a more expensive alternative to the highly-effective Drone Aircraft [latimes.com] in use in various theaters of operation...

Re:DHS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886608)

They're more interested in a more efficient way of killing brown people.

I think they have it backwards (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | about 4 years ago | (#32886588)

According to the article 'If the command centre operator cannot identify possible intruders through the robot's audio or video communications system, the operator can order it to fire its gun or 40mm automatic grenade launcher.

Wouldn't it make more sense to fire the guns and grenades if the operator does identify intruders?

"Hey, I don't see anybody around, FIRE THE GUNS!" and "Look, it's an intruder, CEASE FIRE!" doesn't make a lot of sense.

Re:I think they have it backwards (1)

Dracker (1323355) | about 4 years ago | (#32886704)

I think you misread it. The way I see it, it can shoot if it detects an intruder that it cannot identify.

Re:I think they have it backwards (0)

dangitman (862676) | about 4 years ago | (#32886848)

The way I see it, it can shoot if it detects an intruder that it cannot identify.

So, identifiable intruders are OK? That doesn't make any sense.

Re:I think they have it backwards (2, Informative)

molecular (311632) | about 4 years ago | (#32887062)

depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
If the mission is to keep any North Korean from crossing the border, the apporach to "always fire, except if subject is identified as friendly" will yield better results than "only fire if subject is identified as enemy".
That's of course accepting the death of the odd sheep, shepherd or other friendly subject that fails to be identified correctly.
Just stay out of the DMZ!

Re:I think they have it backwards (1)

molecular (311632) | about 4 years ago | (#32887092)

"Look, it's an intruder, CEASE FIRE!"

nonono, "Look, it's a friend, CEASE FIRE!"

As the scout would say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32886606)

NEED A SENTRY HERE!

Ya know (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 4 years ago | (#32886616)

If North Korea makes military robots, they are all going to look like Kim Jon'il.

Kimbots Transform!

Fancy remote control car (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 4 years ago | (#32886696)

If the command centre operator cannot identify possible intruders through the robot's audio or video communications system, the operator can order it to fire its gun or 40mm automatic grenade launcher.'

If the operator is doing all the decision making, doesn't that just make this a fancy remote control car with weapons on top? Like battle bots? I think this would be more chilling if the robot was making the kill decision, but humans killing each other is nothing new

DMZ (1)

Graham J - XVI (1076671) | about 4 years ago | (#32886914)

If you place a gun in a DMZ, doesn't it become a MZ?

Re:DMZ (1)

godrik (1287354) | about 4 years ago | (#32887530)

well, I don't even see how to put a gun in my router... Well I guess I could, but I don't see how it will stop remote hackers !

Re:DMZ (1)

wagnerrp (1305589) | about 4 years ago | (#32887726)

There are no guns in the DMZ. There are no troops in the DMZ. There is no military presence in the DMZ, hence making it demilitarized. The guns are put on the border to the DMZ, ensuring that there is nothing living in the DMZ.

Re:DMZ (2, Insightful)

Graham J - XVI (1076671) | about 4 years ago | (#32887820)

Perhaps TFA's title shouldn't say "in" then...

North Korea was first (4, Insightful)

SloWave (52801) | about 4 years ago | (#32887158)

North Korea deployed robots a long time ago. They are called North Koreans.

Goddamn Korean dupers, duping all the time (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 4 years ago | (#32887288)

So you see the Paintball Sentry Gun in a Suitcase [youtube.com] and think you gots to get you some of that?

when can we get these? (1, Interesting)

JustNiz (692889) | about 4 years ago | (#32887704)

when can we get these for the Mexican border?

Unfortunately for South Korea (1)

sconeu (64226) | about 4 years ago | (#32887732)

North Korea has Old Glory Robot Insurance [hulu.com]

Robots at the edge of DMZ, or in it? (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | about 4 years ago | (#32887754)

DMZ = Demilitarized Zone... right? So, how is it still demilitarized if you place robots with tracking skills and guns in it? (I think it's already full of landmines anyway, but I'm just asking).

i need one of those (1)

smash (1351) | about 4 years ago | (#32887832)

in my DMZ...

Erectin' a dispenser! (1)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 4 years ago | (#32887958)

Unfortunately they forgot to build a dispenser, so now their team has no way of getting health and ammo as they move forward.

Damn incompetent engineers. They're nearly as bad as W+M1 pyros.

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