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Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886710)

If it happened once, maybe you'd say it was a glitch. But what if it happened twice? Three times? Four times, five, six?

Keep it up until your 32,768th post when they'll regret using a signed short int for the NUM_POSTS_CENSORED value in your forum profile.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886766)

ONe reason I refuse to be assimilated into the Apple Kollektiv

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (2, Funny)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887228)

Plenty of posts on the issue are still up. [apple.com] My guess is that they simply removed a bunch of redundant or obscene threads, which I see nothing wrong with.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (5, Funny)

Haffner (1349071) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886856)

Am I the only one who immediately thought of the Season 5 finale of The Office when Dwight asks "How many people need to get hurt before we learn a lesson?" (or something) "One? Two? Three?" "Dwight..." "No, let me finish. Four? Five? Six?"

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887204)

Ah, it would have been better if Jim had said that and he had said Dwight as if it were a number, while simultaneously hurting Dwight. Sometimes the writers get it wrong.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (0, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886934)

So... I don't want to sound like an Apple fanboy, but nobody ever said that the Apple forums on Apple's website are a place of free speech, right? I haven't read the terms & conditions of course, but I'm pretty sure there is a clause allowing them to "moderate" according to whatever values they want. AFAIK, they don't censor all the forums on the web...

So how is this censorship?

I mean, it sounds reasonable to prevent my angry customers from displaying all their filth on the front of my shop doesn't it?

Also, I don't get the class actions lawsuits... You buy a product. It's crap. Now you sue the manufacturer? Where are we going with this? Can I sue the national lottery for not having won with the ticket they sold me?

In my world: You buy a product. It's crap. You get a refund and don't buy again from the company.

Maybe it's me....

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (5, Insightful)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887006)

If someone says something, and you remove it, that's censorship. I'm not saying Apple isn't within their rights to censor their own website, but there's no question that it is censorship.

Think different indeed.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887066)

So if someone draws "motherf*cker" on your car and you are getting it removed, it is censorship? Don't you think your definition is a bit broad?

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (4, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887018)

I'm pretty sure there is a clause allowing them to "moderate" according to whatever values they want.

So it's like 4chan then?

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (5, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887060)

I mean, it sounds reasonable to prevent my angry customers from displaying all their filth on the front of my shop doesn't it?

Try it some time. I picketed a computer store that took a $300 deposit on a $3,000 computer, with a promised delivery date, missed the date, then admitted they couldn't deliver it and wanted to make substitutions, and wouldn't refund the money. I handed out flyers to every customer who walked in the door. They called the cops. I told the cops I was exercising my constitutional right to free speech and wasn't impeding people from entering or exiting. They called their supervisor - who turned out to have had a similar bad experience with that store. Got the refund within the hour.

Moral of the story - don't treat your customers like filth and they won't have cause to display YOUR filth in front of your store.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887130)

But I guess it would have been their right to remove a flyer you would have stuck in the inside of the shop door, doesn't it? Your example works backwards it seems.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887064)

So... I don't want to sound like an Apple fanboy, but nobody ever said that the Apple forums on Apple's website are a place of free speech, right? I haven't read the terms & conditions of course, but I'm pretty sure there is a clause allowing them to "moderate" according to whatever values they want. AFAIK, they don't censor all the forums on the web...

So how is this censorship?

I mean, it sounds reasonable to prevent my angry customers from displaying all their filth on the front of my shop doesn't it?

Also, I don't get the class actions lawsuits... You buy a product. It's crap. Now you sue the manufacturer? Where are we going with this? Can I sue the national lottery for not having won with the ticket they sold me?

In my world: You buy a product. It's crap. You get a refund and don't buy again from the company.

Maybe it's me....

You may not want to sound like a fanboy, but you are laying it on pretty thick.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887222)

Note that I think the most sensible thing to do here is to get the phone back and get a refund. If the phone is crap it's the appropriate thing to do. If it's not crap, you keep it and live happily... But why all the fuss?

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887082)

I mean, it sounds reasonable to prevent my angry customers from displaying all their filth on the front of my shop doesn't it?

Well, if you don't want that, just make sure that your customers are not angry at your products. Or don't offer a forum. Or write explicitly that the forum is for fanbois only.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (2, Interesting)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887108)

Just because Apple is allowed to censor the forums doesn't mean when they do it it's not censorship. It just means you knew they could do it. I don't think the argument here is that they couldn't do it, but that they shouldn't do it.

Angry customers are free to picket and protest in front of your shop.

Class action lawsuits are more involved than just "my product is crap." Usually it's a situation where you cannot return the product. For example, the possible class action against Sony for removing 3rd party OS capability from the PS3. How many of them can return the unit? Few. So you get all of the users who cannot return their product but have lost value due to Sony's removal and sue for compensation.

Your lottery example is easily distinguishable, because you have no expectation to win with the lottery but you do have the expectation that your product will work.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887116)

its apple avoiding people from seeing facts.

It's not about apple's apt censorship of free speech, it's that taking such actions are entirely unethical and wholly inappropriate.

This would be like saying "hey, your car is prone to blowing up, but you don't need to know about that. come buy it!".

It'd actually do them better on their reputation to allow there to be a thread on it.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887196)

They are stupid from doing it, that is for sure. What I don't get is people complaining and shouting and whining, when the most sensible thing to do is to get the phone back and get a refund.

Re:Zapp Brannigan's Reporting Strategy (5, Insightful)

urulokion (597607) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887200)

You're right in that Apple is free to moderate their boards however they wish. But you are missing the point. Image is very important to Apple. They are trying to keep "the Image" intact. But ultimately Apple is tarnishing "the Image". They are trying to control information in a very Orwellian way (i.e. "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."). And what makes it very damning and hugely ironic, is that Apple is turning into the very thing they fought against in their very first Macintosh Commercial.

Freedom from pron, criticism, open debate (5, Funny)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886744)

Yeh, when Jobs said his control over every Apple-user's computing was about "freedom from porn", we could have guessed that "porn" was just being dragged up as a convenient excuse.

Re:Freedom from pron, criticism, open debate (2, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886788)

Yeh, when Jobs said his control over every Apple-user's computing was about "freedom from porn", we could have guessed that "porn" was just being dragged up as a convenient excuse.

I don't know, when you see how excited some slashotters get about anti-Apple or anti-Microsoft news it looks like they are about to cream themselves.

People love to laugh at other people being dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886954)

and there are few dumber than those who give Apple their money.

Re:Freedom from pron, criticism, open debate (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887040)

I don't know, when you see how excited some slashotters get about anti-Apple or anti-Microsoft news it looks like they are about to cream themselves.

A lot of the Anti-Apple hatred is more of resentment for the years where any sort of Apple criticism, regardless of how valid it was, an automatic "-1 Troll" or "Flamebait".

The Anit-MS hatred is mostly the F/oSS fanbois who think MS is the man that's keeping them down.

Re:Freedom from pron, criticism, open debate (4, Funny)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886804)

Well, now this is freedom from having complications in your decision to by the revolutionary new iPhone!

But this is what people want (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887098)

They want a cool, sharp, designed world where everything is taken care of, by the caring giant that is Steve Jobs. He cares. He makes the world a better place. You don't have to worry about it.

Didn't someone write a book about that?

 

Evil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886746)

wow...

It's logical (3, Funny)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886760)

Well, that is what you do with bad apples, isn't it?

Re:It's logical (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886878)

Well, that is what you do with bad apples, isn't it?

Bad apples, broken windows or dead penguins, ... I don't care which it is, I chuck them all into the bin.

It is their site. (1, Interesting)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886772)

I do not see why they are required to allow discussions of that subject considering the number of sites where you are free to discuss it.

Apple knows about the review, why should they let you rub their noses into it? Let alone on their forums there are more than enough rabid supporters that keeping these messages off the site means for more peaceful forums. It would simply be a flame war

why? (4, Insightful)

butterflysrage (1066514) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886808)

Streisand effect.. I never heard of the review until they made such a stink trying to keep me from hearing about the review.

Re:It is their site. (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886812)

Wait wait wait...a company is quelling discussion about how their product has an easily demonstrated hardware issue, and you see nothing wrong with that?

That's...that's a bit unsettling, Shivetya. I recognize that it's their site and that it's up to them, based on their forum guidelines, to control certain messages...but come on. You can't possibly think this is a defensible act.

Re:It is their site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886982)

Wait wait wait...a company is quelling discussion about how their product has an easily demonstrated hardware issue, and you see nothing wrong with that?

Without seeing the discussion in question, I have no idea whether I'd have a problem with it or not. Given the ugly, flame-filled and fact-poor nature of many such discussions about Apple here and elsewhere (including this one - give it time), I'm inclined to give Apple the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to know whether it was truly an adult discussion of the facts that was quelled, or yet another pointless flame war. Deleting the latter would be perfectly fine IMHO.

Re:It is their site. (1, Informative)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886986)

Why would it not be defensible? It's their forum on their website. They moderate it however they want. Aren't we in a free world or is the "free" only refers to customers, not to vendors?

I mean, if the product is crap, get it back, get a refund and be done with it! Why all the fuss?

Re:It is their site. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887188)

Withholding information is the opposite of free.

A free market will not function properly unless the consumer is given all the data available.

No, it's not defensible; however it's there website and they can practice deplorable acts should they chose to. However they should clearly disclose to people visiting their site they censor negative information.

It may already clearly disclose that info, I don't know

"I mean, if the product is crap, get it back, get a refund and be done with it! Why all the fuss?"
seriously? How easy is it to go to AT&T get out of your deal get your old phone back and activated again with the previous cell company and not acquire any additional costs?

This isn't a shirt you got home and realized it was missing a button.

Plus the idea that people should discuss problems they have with a device is stupid.

Re:It is their site. (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887232)

They have the right to quell the discussion on their own website. That is their right as they own the site.

We have the right to point out that it's dumb on this (or any other public) website, to make sure as many people as possible know what they're rightfully doing on their own website, so those people can make informed decisions next time they buy an expensive cell phone.

Re:It is their site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887214)

Wait wait wait...a company is quelling discussion about how their product has an easily demonstrated hardware issue, and you see nothing wrong with that?

That's...that's a bit unsettling, Shivetya. I recognize that it's their site and that it's up to them, based on their forum guidelines, to control certain messages...but come on. You can't possibly think this is a defensible act.

It's a tech support board, not a blog. A magazine's product review, no matter how accurate, is not really relevant to the tech support board.

It's not unsettling, and it's not defensible. It's simply offtopic.

Re:It is their site. (4, Insightful)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886838)

Because apple spends so much time trying to convince us they're our friends, that the inflated price tag is because they do much better engineering, and generally snobbing anything else. For them to censor unbiased analysis of their product is inexcusable. They should be on their board either explaining why the consumer reports article is incorrect, or apologizing profusely (replacing the overpriced and broken hardware people have).

Re:It is their site. (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887032)

I say this as a guy who purchased an iPhone 4, but Apple is never your friend.

They are right up there with Microsoft on the evil scale.

Re:It is their site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886854)

This post is missing an asterisk*.

*Does not apply if Microsoft or any other company I don't slurp dick for is involved.

Face it, this is bad behavior by Apple. It doesn't matter what company is doing it; it needs to be called out for it. Hiding bad customer service isn't good customer service. If you're worried about too many threads have one main one. If you're worried about flames eliminate those posts. But to silence everything?

Re:It is their site. (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886866)

Why should they? Perhaps to prove thet are a reputable company that listens to its customer base and learns from their mistakes?

FTA

Cached article on bing [bingj.com]

All it seems to be is people trying to let others know about the article.

Re:It is their site. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886882)

Why? Because fuck you that's why.

Re:It is their site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887122)

Why? Because fuck you that's why.

Comments like this are exactly why such forums tend to be moderated. The question remains - did Apple delete reasonable fact-based comments, or pointless retarded flames? My opinion on this will depend entirely on whether they were silencing valid comments, or simply taking out the garbage.

Re:It is their site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886896)

I do not see why they are required to allow discussions of that subject considering the number of sites where you are free to discuss it.

Toyota knows about the faulty accelerator, why should they let you rub their noses into it? Let alone on their forums there are more than enough rabid supporters that keeping these messages off the site means for more peaceful forums. It would simply be a flame war

Re:It is their site. (1, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886946)

Amazing this surprises anyone. It's like protesters protesting against a store WHILE IN THE STORE. Of course they're going to kick you out. You're free to protest on the street or anywhere else for that matter.

If I paint up a sign that says "WalMart - Buy More, Pay Less, Eat Lead Paint" and walk around wal mart waving it I'll last about 10 seconds. But somehow when Apple does it, it's absurd?

It took them what, a couple days to react to the issue and start working on a fix, (the hiring of the antenna engineers we saw recently) so they're obviously trying to fix the problem. There's nothing to be gained by harassing them while they work on a fix for you, that will almost certainly be free.

Owell I suppose this comes with the territory. Apple wants to be chic and hip and trendy and on everyone's mind, this is just the dark side of that position. Do a good job and people will run around saying it's fabulous, do a poor job and people will run around saying its horrible. It's just a game of extremes.

Where people gather, there's a public element (0)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887100)

Bad comparison.

This is like standing around in an Apple store, and the guy beside you mentions he's here to return his iMoan, you reply, and you get asked to leave.

Sure, it's their store, but people have gotten kinda used to being able to discuss things with the people around them.

Imagine you were in the queue and security overheard you complaining about how long the queue was, and told you to go to the end. Well - it's their store right? They can do what they want, right?

Nah, that's not modern society.

great article - apple is evil (-1, Offtopic)

studyabroaduniversit (1855010) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886780)

This is very true - apple is using censors to block the public opinion - so many of my friends are now studyabroad university [studyabroa...ersity.com] and they all have been trying to get a iphone 4 - but im not sure about the connection

mod parent down (1)

ais523 (1172701) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886994)

Wow, this spam is disguised as a legitimate post so well I actually read the whole thing before realising it was spam. Clearly Slashdot spambots (or human spammers?) are getting better these days. I don't know whether to be appalled or impressed.

Re:mod parent down (2, Informative)

chichilalescu (1647065) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887192)

human spammers. when spambots are ineffective, you start paying people to spam for you (the chinese government does it for instance; also, I assume all parties do it before elections).

and yes, someone please mod "studyabroaduniversit" down, and delete their account too.

and you should be appalled.

We don't have to take criticism... (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886782)

...we're Apple! Now shut up and buy this overpriced device that is marginally better than the more expensive one you bought last year!

Sopssa where are you asshole? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886784)

Perfect thread for you to troll!

Peace out!

Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (5, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886786)

Really you just paid $299 for your phone. You pay goodness knows how much a month for your 2 GB capped data plan. Just suck it up and buy the $30 bumper! what is the big deal!
(This message was sent from my Android phone on the Sprint network).

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886922)

! what is the big deal! (This message was sent from my Android phone on the Sprint network).

The big deal is that a person should have a reasonable expectation that a $300 device would work as it should, without having to spend another $30 to fix what shouldn't need fixing.

//I have an android phone on vz, so it doesn't really apply to me

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886964)

It works as Jobs says it should. That should be enough.

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1, Funny)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887054)

Methinks your /sarcasm sensor needs recalibrated.

Or, in Slashdot terms...

WOOSH!

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887220)

I really thought that part about being sent from my Android phone on the Sprint network would have prevented the whoosh part but I was wrong.

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886936)

Bumper. High tech shit. We all know that it shouldn't cost more than $2.
And don't get me wrong, but an unlocked iphone 4 in Europe is about 700 euros. For that kind of money you don't get a dock, or even a cleaning cloth.

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (3, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886958)

"You just paid 40 grand for a new car that was supposed to run great. So what if the engine fell out? Stop whining already and drop that measly 5k to put a new one in it."

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887030)

Tell me about it. It's like when one of the fuel injectors failed on my car and I found out that it was a design flaw. Big deal! It was only a problem if I actually drove the car, plus, instead of going to all the trouble of whining to the manufacturer or pulling some dick move like trying to warn other owners about the problem, I all I had to do to get it fixed was to spend money on it. Pfft, whiners.

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1)

helix2301 (1105613) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887080)

I agree like I said in my last post if you had the money for the phone whats the big deal about buying a case. Apple probably never realized the problems because they had the phone in a case. It should be in a case it's an expensive phone.

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887186)

wow....
Well then maybe Apple should give you the bumper to fix the problem rather than charging $30 for a gloried rubber band?
Just maybe?

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887126)

Euhm, you mean 600$ I presume?

Re:Get over it and by a bumper you cry babies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887136)

I'm surprised that you were able to type out and send the message without your battery dying during the process!

The Real Surprise... (0, Offtopic)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886820)

... Is that apparently consumer reports finds the crappy AT&T service acceptable, but the new iPhone to be not-so-great. Considering how abysmal many other reports of the AT&T network are, that is probably the more newsworthy component.

Re:The Real Surprise... (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887052)

With this latest fiasco with the iPhone 4, are we sure it's been the AT&T network all along instead of poor phone design?

To think that this is the company..... (4, Insightful)

8127972 (73495) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886828)

... That once claimed that 1984 wouldn't be like 1984.

Re:To think that this is the company..... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886978)

That's unfair, give them credit for great forward thinking; on the timescale of around 3 decades, it would seem. You don't see that too often from corps nowadays.

Re:To think that this is the company..... (4, Insightful)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886998)

It's always kinda funny to see how they've become what that classic TV spot wanted to rebel against.

And after years of using that Microsoft Borg logo we really need an Apple Borg logo as well.

Re:To think that this is the company..... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887010)

... That once claimed that 1984 wouldn't be like 1984.

Was it?

Re:To think that this is the company..... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887028)

There is truth in that, they were off by nearly two decades!

Re:To think that this is the company..... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887152)

People seem to be misinterpreting that commercial quite often. They weren't saying that 1984 was a bad thing, they were just apologising for delays in their product line. It took them another 21 years [lowendmac.com] to ship a working telescreen [wikimedia.org].

Re:To think that this is the company..... (3, Insightful)

zlogic (892404) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887198)

That's a perfect example of doublethink. Remember how Apple said there would be no multitasking, no native apps because they're stupid and iPhone is perfect without them?
The reality distortion field is weak in comparison because it says "Apple is right, if you disagree, you don't understand our awesomeness" while doublethink allows Apple to contradict themselves and get away with it.

It's a support forum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886870)

How does a link to this article relate to support of Apple products? Not at all. If there were threads discussing the actual technical issues of the antenna and reception which were deleted, this might be a story. If I were to call Apple Support on the phone and say "Hey guess what, there's this article on Consumer Reports about your product", they'd say "That's nice, dear, what's your technical problem again?"

Re:It's a support forum... (1)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887000)

"well as the article I'm talking points out, my fucking antennae isn't working and last time I called you said it was a software problem so I linked this article showing an independent test proving it's a hardware one. So if you could fucking do something about it that would be awesome."

Apple a Day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886908)

keeps the thinking away (Steve will make thinking and decisions for us).

Anybody remember their 1984 commercial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886910)

Who would have thought that Apple's commercial from 25 years ago was a vision of their own future, only that Apple is Big Brother rather than the hammer thrower?

Re:Anybody remember their 1984 commercial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887134)

Yes, I remember that commercial very well. Mostly because every time an apple story comes up on slashdot folks trot it out for a showing and think they are adding something new and original to the conversation. Big news, apple is a large corporation that is happy to shit on its customers and is willing to use advertising to pretend otherwise. Next thing you are going to tell me is that google is willing to compromise with communists in order to make money.

Apple is About Freedom! (5, Insightful)

CritterNYC (190163) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886920)

Apple is about freedom. Freedom from porn. Freedom from criticism. Freedom from competition. Freedom from objective discussions. Freedom from the truth.

Apple little world is looking more like 1984 every day.

Re:Apple is About Freedom! (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887014)

Apple is about freedom. Freedom from porn. Freedom from criticism. Freedom from competition. Freedom from objective discussions. Freedom from the truth.

True. It doesn't matter what flavor the Kool-Aid is, as long as it's in a shiny, black pitcher.

Hey Apple fanboys... (4, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886924)

...How do you explain this? Sadly, these fanboys will be outside Apple stores a few years down the road to buy the 'latest' and 'greatest' Apple product of the time...even when it's riddled with obvious defects like the iPhone 4.

After all no one in the industry cares more about the customer experience better than Apple. Right?

Hard to know if the posts violated the ToS (5, Informative)

Omega (1602) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886948)

It's hard to know if this is censorship or if they just violated the terms of service and hatebois are flying off the handle. There are still lots [apple.com] of [apple.com] posts [apple.com] about [apple.com] the [apple.com] consumer [apple.com] reports [apple.com] unrecommendation [apple.com] on discussions.apple.com:

http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?search=Go&q=consumer+reports [apple.com]

Still, if it's true it wouldn't be the first time Apple flew off the handle with the censorship (remember the Ulysses app flap [wired.com]?).

Bashing from Astroturfers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887216)

From TFA:

Apple's support forum moderators deleted the thread. Bing cached it.

Bing?? Its all said.

Its Baaaack (1)

dmunz (627597) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886960)

Well it appears to be un-censored. I can see three or four active threads in thier support forum. Of course most are fanboys v. the worl calling each other asholes... FWIW DLM

Implosion (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | more than 3 years ago | (#32886974)

Even though I'm a Windows user, it always gives me a wry smile when Linux users say what fun it is to observe all the Windows problems (virii, exploits, etc) from a safe distance.

Now, as an ex-Apple customer, now happily using an HTC Desire, I can say that it's great fun watching Apple implode, from a safe distance.

I don't wish them any ill-will. My preference would be for them to take an honesty pill, start treating their customers with some respect, and turn the whole sorry situation around. But they aren't doing that, so I'll toast marshmallows on the bonfire of Apple's reputation.

This is not censorship (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886980)

This is not censorship - Apple, being the owners of the discussion board, has every right to modify the content on said boards to be flattering to it. This is not a technology issue - 50 years ago, television networks were completely in their rights to not broadcast advertisements that were critical of, say, their newscasts. This is no different, and by "crying 1984" like this, ironically, we become *more* susceptible to the true censorship alluded to in 1984.

TRUE CENSORSHIP (aka "the thing we should be worried about") would be the use of governement authority to prevent messages from being published in any publically accessible forum.

Calling this censorship is like calling

And you're surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32886988)

A company moderates its own forum to make itself look better?

Shocking.

Antennas and Cradles (3, Interesting)

HiveMind118 (1163633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887016)

We all know how Apple likes to make sure all peripherals are Apple licensed. Couldn't a cradle be made (for cars for example) that used the antenna contact point to extend the antenna (thereby bypassing the need to license a Apple proprietary plug)?

Power Play by Consumers Union (0)

DeMechman (750857) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887114)

This seems like a power play to provide more relevance to Consumer's Union than a specific attack on Apple. I am by no means an Apple fan but this issue seems potentially overstated.

Oh the irony!... (2, Interesting)

kwolf22 (825499) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887118)

"Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.

We have created for the first time in all history a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests of any contradictory true thoughts.

Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth.

We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause.

Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion.

We shall prevail!

On January 24th Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh. And you'll see why 1984 won't be like '1984.'"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 [youtube.com]

Who knew that 26 years later, Apple would be "Big Brother"...

How dare they control their own servers! (-1, Troll)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887120)

All threads* about Consumer Report's iPhone4 non-recommendation are removed or deleted.

*on Apple's discussion sites. Threads about the non-recommendation on Slashdot, Fark, Digg, Reddit, Usenet, PC Magazine, Consumer Reports, and every other discussion site in the world.

Since when do you have an unlimited right to protest, using the medium that's run by the person you're protesting? If I write an angry letter critical of the New York Times to the New York Times, do I have a right to insist that they print it? And if they don't, is that censorship, particularly when every other newspaper is happy to print it?

Oh, now I get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32887132)

They're "censoring" their own site? At first I thought they were somehow censoring the consumer reports site.

While I'm gleeful of this happening, of course they're allowed to have or not have whatever on their site. It's not like I can go into a store and claim that I (and a sufficiently large crowd of accomplishes) have the right to democratically vote that they should give me their stuff.

On the other hand, it's great that this is on slashdot and wherever, so they won't be able to distort reality too much.

Nice plagarism, anon (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#32887206)

From http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/12/apple-drops-consumer-reports-discussion-threads-down-memory-hole/ [tuaw.com]

If you were looking for a message thread on Apple's support forums [apple.com] pointing to Consumer Reports' article 'not recommending' the iPhone 4 [consumerreports.org], it's not there any more. Apple's support forum moderators deleted the thread. Bing cached it [bingj.com].

If it happened once, maybe you'd say it was a glitch. But what if it happened twice [apple.com]? Three [apple.com] times? Four [apple.com] times, five [apple.com], six [apple.com]?

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