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Nerds Still More Likely To Get Bullied

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the also-sky-still-blue dept.

News 480

trashbird1240 writes "Reports on a recent meta-analysis of bullies and victims found that bullies and victims have similar personality traits, but that bullies tend to do poorly in school, as opposed to those who get bullied. Both bullies and victims are poor social problem solvers, but they resort to different tactics to handle their social ineptitude. To me this represents a huge leap forward in understanding nerd psychology."

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That makes me feel so much better (4, Funny)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888842)

That makes me feel so much better about being beaten up.

Hahahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32888860)

Still mad that the jock who beat you up banged the girl who you thought was your girlfriend because you popped her bra strap?

Re:Hahahahaha (5, Funny)

memyselfandeye (1849868) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888970)

No, I'm still mad that the jock who beat me up banged the girl who sat next to me who let me hold her comb. I protected that comb like it was a baby. I cleaned it, I bathed it, and she wouldn't go to prom with me!?!? Then I found out I went an all boys school... talk about awkward.

In other news... the sky is blue, and the sun is hot.

Re:Hahahahaha (1)

hannson (1369413) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889576)

and the sun is hot.

No no no, it's very hot! [wikipedia.org]

Re:Hahahahaha (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889014)

I don't believe I ever popped a girl's bra strap.

Re:Hahahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889218)

I'm not even sure what popping a girl's bra strap means. I'm 20 btw.

Re:Hahahahaha (1)

fedos (150319) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889578)

I think it's analogous to popping your collar.

Re:That makes me feel so much better (1, Funny)

macbeth66 (204889) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889012)

I stopped doing that when I started banging your mother.

Re:That makes me feel so much better (1, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889088)

Time you stopped doing that, Sis.

Lisa Simpson already showed (2, Insightful)

aquila.solo (1231830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888846)

It's pheromones!

Re:Lisa Simpson already showed (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889376)

Lisa needs braces!

Re:Lisa Simpson already showed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889488)

Dental plan!

Thank you captain obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32888868)

I could have told you this 25 years ago.

Animal psychology (2, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888876)

So basically, if you can't develop social skills you do what every other animal does: Become a predator. And if you fail at that, you're dinner.

Re:Animal psychology (5, Insightful)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889028)

So basically, if you can't develop social skills you do what every other animal does: Become a predator. And if you fail at that, you're dinner.

FTFA:

Victims share much of same, negative attitude, conflict in the family.

It looks as though the victims are the other side of the same coin.

And what's not mentioned in the article is how the ramifications of bullying stick with someone for the rest of their life - there the "mousy ones", the ones without "self confidence", the ones that "don't fit in", etc....

It wouldn't surprise me the least if many of the permanently unemployed are part of this group. So, I think it costs society too.

Re:Animal psychology (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889422)

So basically, if you can't develop social skills you do what every other animal does: Become a predator. And if you fail at that, you learn to write code.

FTFY.

Re:Animal psychology (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889572)

Not necessarily... they fail to take into consideration the little known 'nerdserker'. I was into D&D and comics and computers and the art club and the science club but the second anyone picked on me or what, I berserked on their asses and wouldn't stop until they were crying or I came out of my blackout. Few people messed with me unless they didn't know that I would go apeshit crazy on them if they fucked with me.

Hence, the 'nerdserker' (copyright me)

Troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32888878)

Troll

No more comments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32888880)

You type something in, and I will smack you down, nerd!

Re:No more comments (1)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889444)

....something in.....

WHAT?! (4, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888896)

You means those with little physical prowess and poorly developed social skills are often victims to those with pent-up anger and limited intellects? My god. This is quite a revelation?

Re:WHAT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889612)

Way not to read the article. Nerds are just bullies in their minds.

The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (5, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888904)

Work out. A lot. Throughout middle school and high school, I was a huge geek (and dressed like one)...but I was also huge. In high school, at only 5'6", I weighed around 200 pounds, and could lift what the varsity football team lifted in the weightroom (and, in some cases, even more.)

I was a dork, but no one dared fuck with me. A good thing, too...I had no idea how to fight :p

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

gslavik (1015381) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888960)

Couple of boxing lessons (to learn how to properly punch/defend/move) and learning from MMA fighters in UFC (submitions and how to get out of them) is all you should really need.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889278)

Even the most amazing street fighter who has gotten himself into hundreds of fights can still loose an eye against an amateur. Street fights are not a sport. Various environment props and even weapons are more than likely if the opponent is stupid enough to pick a fight in the first place.

The best way to win a fight is by never fighting at all.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (0, Flamebait)

baka_toroi (1194359) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889494)

The best way to win a fight is by never fighting at all.

It's also the best way to look like a pussy.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889530)

You know what they say: you are what you eat.

Keeping that and the fact that I never got in a fight in mind, I may have been a dorkus malorkus in high school...but I still got my fair share of the ladies :-)

To any high schoolers reading this who want tips on how to be more popular with girls: give them three times the attention they give you, in all areas. You'll be in like Flynn.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889560)

It should be noted that this only works if you are just looking to get laid. Obviously, if you are looking for an actual "companion", my advice won't work.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (4, Interesting)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889298)

Aikido is more fun. It's the closest most mortals get to being utterly invulnerable... I don't mean you can win fights because nobody can really hurt you; I mean you don't even have to care.

It's one thing to bloody someone up, really; but when you pretty much stand there, and just quietly move and draw them along, that's different. Judo works great for this, but it's more aggressive; you react sharply, roll their weight and motion out the way you want, and wind up hurling them spectacularly through the air or locking them hard into a submission. Aikido... the motions aren't combative; you basically take a step out of the way, and lead them to the ground, mainly in ways specifically designed not to injure. It looks like your opponent is just tripping over his own stupidity, rather than getting owned.

Seriously, who the fuck wants to mess with that? The less aggressive you look while utterly dismissing your opponents, the more confused and frightened people become.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (2, Interesting)

Critical Facilities (850111) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889538)

Totally agree. Any of the "aiki" arts are very well suited to making physical confrontations a non-issue. As a student of Daitoryu Aikijujutsu [daitoryu-roppokai.org] myself, I find these arts to be much more effective at neutralizing a conflict as opposed to escalating it. I also find those who seriously pursue training in these arts tend to be less concerned with either winning tournaments or being the fastest/toughest guy in the room, as none of those is the focus of training.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

osgeek (239988) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889438)

Maybe so, but the OP's effort to look intimidating was probably more worthwhile than having to prove it in an actual fight.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889526)

learning from MMA fighters in UFC (submitions and how to get out of them)

Did you study spelling with UFC fighters too?

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888988)

Oh yeah? Well my dad could beat up your dad!

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889024)

I remember getting into one of those kinds of arguments in kindergarden, and my response was "my dad would turn your dad inside-out!"...which grossed out both of us, lol :)

Oh Yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889264)

Yeah well, my dad could fuck your dad!

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (4, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889044)

Playing the borderline psycho route is also good. (Although these days you'll probably end up on some watch lists.) I can't really point to any single thing I did nor do I remember why they actually thought I was. (I guess critiquing what previous school shooters did wrong in an English paper was one thing...)

But when I skipped the senior photo in the gym, I guess one of my friends told me some people were joking I was in the rafters with a rifle.

Top of my class, BSME, going back for my MSME. I think >90% of my class is still at home drinking at the one bar in town and partying like they're still seniors. It's sad, but if they're happy, what ever.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889198)

I used that tactic too.. I actually was in HS when the Columbine thing happened, so I did get called in for questioning a few times because I would discuss things like explosives with my friends. The other nerds got bullied, but nobody even tried anything with me. It might also have something to do with the fact that I carried a hammer in my backpack, just in case.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889200)

Wear all black, and talk cryptically about "your visions" of life and reality. That was enough to make most people too scared of me in highschool to ever pick on me like they did in middle school. Also, you don't have to hurt people to make them afraid of you, you just have to make them afraid of what you'd do. Punch a locker, make your fist bleed, then laugh. If you do that to yourself, what would you do to someone that made you mad?

Etc...

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

chewthreetimes (1740020) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889286)

Where was all this good advice when I was in high school?

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889294)

You both completely failed at learning jack, and resorted to the threat of violence. NERD FAIL.

Learn social skills. THAT'S the lesson. They aren't hard and a handful of social cues makes all the difference.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889474)

Give this man an Internet! You've made my day.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (3, Funny)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889126)

I was a dork, but no one dared fuck with me

I'm confused. Is this good or bad?

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889188)

I have to admit, it was great to know that I could walk around the halls nerd-snorting about something with impunity. Since I hung out with both the "popular" nerds as well as the "reject" nerds, many of them were protected simply by proximity, which they appreciated.

I found the whole thing to be amusing, personally.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889360)

You weren't the only big geek. I was 5' tall in 5th grade and was around 6' by the time I was 14. Still, I was picked on until, that is until the time I flipped open a locker door into someone's face. Best of all was the fact that they got in trouble for starting the fight. Nothing happened to me because I was the one being picked on.

After that no one hassled me or my immediate friends, they knew that I wouldn't start anything but I would finish it.

At least it wasn't like when a "bean pole" (MAYBE 120lbs soaking wet) picked a fight with one of the larger (and quiet) guys in my class (probably well over 250bs and about 6' 5"). He never gave anyone a hassle and pretty much just wanted to be left alone. This was the one and only time that he lost his temper, the "bean pole" got totally beaten on (and deserved it).

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889450)

My buddy Mike used a similar tactic. 6 foot by the time he hit 9th grade, had horrible acne (ironically, he now has model-like good looks)...basically, a punching bag for a lot of people. He got tired of it one day, and as a kid was pointing and laughing at him, he grabbed the kid's finger, bent it back (obviously breaking it), then hit the kid in his face with his own hand, breaking his nose.

People left him alone after that.

It's just like prison...either you mess someone up, or you become a bitch. The choice is yours.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889378)

This works real great till they decide to shoot you in the face.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889416)

We never really had the "nerds get beat" up thing going in our high school anyways. Maybe it's an inner city thing. Who knows. I went to a rural high school, where just about everyone's free time (even the nerds) involved some form of outdoor activities. I was probably the biggest Star Trek fan at our school. I played Magic the Gathering. I was 2nd in our class at graduation. I had the highest SAT score of our graduating class. I attended various academic competitions for the school.

I also hunted, fished, was in weightlifting club, and was a starting offensive lineman (guard) on the football team. Quite a few other players on the football team did quite well academically as well (of the top 20 graduates of our class, about 50% were either football players or cheerleaders).

I don't know. Maybe we were just an exception, but we never had that "jocks versus the nerds" separation.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889504)

In our school, the jocks were actually really cool people (as evidenced by the fact that a short dork who was as strong or stronger than them was still allowed to work out in the same weightroom at the same time). The people that did most of the bullying were the true outsiders...the "cool" rejects didn't want them because they were assholes, and the popular kids didn't want them because they weren't popular.

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889500)

"Working out a lot" by definition means you spent considerable time doing a sporting/physical activity, rather than spending all of your time at academics/computers/etc. Which means you are not a nerd.

You might as well have said "they key to not getting beaten up is NOT be a nerd" - ie. have some outside interest beyond typical "nerd" activities.

I think you were in fact a "geek". Different breed of animal entirely!

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889618)

Working out a lot" by definition means you spent considerable time doing a sporting/physical activity, rather than spending all of your time at academics/computers/etc.

On the contrary...most of my working out was spliced with gaming. Loading screens, traveling during MMOs, etc. Instead of just sitting there, I'd pick up a weight. Or, if I was doing some serious weight training that day (three times a week), I still only worked out for 30 minutes or so. Nearly every second I didn't spend exercising was spent playing games, reading comics, doing brain teasers, taking things apart to figure out how they worked, etc...I assure you, I was quite nerdy :-)

You might as well have said "they key to not getting beaten up is NOT be a nerd" - ie. have some outside interest beyond typical "nerd" activities.

I always scheduled physical activity around nerd activities, not the other way around :-)

Re:The key to not getting beaten up as a nerd (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889568)

Work out. A lot. Throughout middle school and high school, I was a huge geek (and dressed like one)...but I was also huge. In high school, at only 5'6", I weighed around 200 pounds, and could lift what the varsity football team lifted in the weightroom (and, in some cases, even more.)

I was a dork, but no one dared fuck with me. A good thing, too...I had no idea how to fight :p

Sometimes working out can have the opposite effect. I was quiet, tall and muscular in school and was attacked a lot because of it, the bullies figured I'd be a fun challenge. It wasn't until I literally threw the biggest one over one desk and into another that I was left alone.

I've never been in a fight since and I hope I never am again but I don't regret my actions in those moments. And honestly, I think if you're getting beat up for no good reason (i.e. didn't instigate) and you're going to get in trouble anyway finish the fight and get suspended for a few days, life is much easier after you get back.

Not exactly what TFA said. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888936)

TFA said

We might think that bullies are quite different from the victims of bullying. But those who become either a bully or a victim actually share similar outlooks and have similar difficulties dealing with their environments. ...

Typical bullies have negative attitudes toward others, feel badly about themselves, and most likely grew up in a home with conflict. Victims share much of same, negative attitude, conflict in the family.

But the dividing characteristic: bullies dislike school and tend to perform worse academically than those who later become victims.

I didn't grow up in a home with conflict, or feel badly about myself, so maybe that's what's different about me, but I was only bullied once. There was a kid in the 7th grade who bullied me for three months before I snapped and beat the holy hell out of him.

Nobody ever bullied me after that. In fact, after I was almost expelled for nerdiness [slashdot.org] the kids talked about how "that crazy nerd mcgrew brought a hydrogen bomb to school and almost blew the school up". I only got one swat for beating the hell out of the bully.

Re:Not exactly what TFA said. (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889042)

Did that link utterly break, or were you meaning to link back to this article?

Re:Not exactly what TFA said. (0, Offtopic)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889136)

Recursive comment is recursive.

Re:Not exactly what TFA said. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889238)

Feel lame for taking effort to find this, but http://slashdot.org/~sm62704/journal/193346

Re:Not exactly what TFA said. (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889340)

You were lucky. I tried beating down a longtime bully once. I did pretty well too. Until two days later when him and three of his friends jumped me and nearly put me in the hospital. In this litigious and delicate age, I tell my kids not to open a can of whoops-arse, but rather take the issue to the principle. If that doesn't work I call the cops.

On the other hand (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32888940)

Nerds are still more likely to have a better job.

Re:On the other hand (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889040)

What a lie!

Being an aggressive incompassionate sociopath lands you a career in management. You get to be the boss of that nerd you bullied, and you get to continue bullying that nerd into working long hours for low pay.

Reality sucks.

Re:On the other hand (2, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889098)

Damn, I'd hate to work where you work.

Re:On the other hand (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889214)

Unless that nerd belongs to a union. Then he does nothing and you can't do smack. If you try he'll gets his nerdy union buddies to kick the crap out of you, or they'll really mess up your computer.

Re:On the other hand (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889354)

aggressive incompassionate sociopath lands you a career in management.

A very poor one. Besides, I have never had a bad boss I could isolate from key players, and imply poor management in milestones.

If' your smart, start using your head.

Re:On the other hand (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889492)

Being an aggressive incompassionate sociopath lands you a career in management.

That's true, but using physical force to solve problems with other people is generally not acceptable in most businesses. If you can abandon the physical bullying and learn the mental and emotional bullying, as well as learn how to suck up to your own bosses, then you have brilliant future in management.

Re:On the other hand (1)

GlowinOrb (835527) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889090)

Shut up and give me your lunch money

Re:On the other hand (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889146)

Here... here you go, sir. *cries*

As if we didn't know that already... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889008)

Every now and then there is a study about bullying - and virtually none of them brings up something new a typical /. user didn't know already.

Perhaps... (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889030)

We should just issue handguns to everyone over a certain GPA... That seems like a good, solid, American solution to this bullying problem.

Re:Perhaps... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889154)

Hey, they call us software pirates, right? Give the nerds flintlock pistols. This solves several problems:

a. They can defend themselves from jocks
b. They can't go on a rampage and massacre the school
c. They will have a realistic accessory for their pirate cosplay!

Somebody give fffungus a metal! And a handgun! :D

Re:Perhaps... (2, Funny)

Traegorn (856071) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889334)

Yes. Let's make jokes about bullied kids bringing guns to school.

Because things have turned out so well when *that's* happened.

nerd psychology. (0, Offtopic)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889036)

"To me this represents a huge leap forward in understanding nerd psychology."


wat.

Headlines. (0)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889056)

This just in, rain still likely to be wet.

Um... what about NerdBullies? (1)

Psarchasm (6377) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889106)

Um... what about NerdBullies?

Re:Um... what about NerdBullies? (5, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889184)

I think they call them "channel ops" or "moderators" depending on the context.

Re:Um... what about NerdBullies? (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889426)

They're usually just hyper, put them on Ritalin and they'll be fine.

meta-analysis (1)

DrEdwardo (1855116) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889112)

The meta-analysis was done by the bullies!

I think ... (4, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889140)

That the problem is that people are so hard-wired to find social ineptitude a problem.

There are times where I wouldn't want to hang out with people because I didn't like the people. At one point (it was between grade 8 and 9) I realized that I could be whoever I really wanted to be, and was not relegated to any kind of social outcast or nerdy clique for the rest of my days. I went out, bought some clothes, got a haircut, and emailed someone I didn't usually hang out with, and asked if they wanted to go Skateboarding. I - however - had never been great at skateboarding. However, this new friend of mine took my motion as a kind gesture and proceeded to teach me a bit so that I could hang out with him and his friends more. He understood that I had wanted to get out of any antisocial tendancies I might have had and wanted to have fun with more friends. Obviously, he was not the bullying type.

However, after a year or so of this, I began to miss the old things. Playing LAN Starcraft till 5 am, reading Fantasy Novels, and programming. Things I never had time for when there was a party that weekend, movie night at a friends house, or hanging out after class. Eventually, I went back to my old tendancies, and I really didn't care if I was labelled a nerd because I liked being alone a bit more.

Re:I think ... (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889196)

Fantasy novels? I'm reading Age of Misrule (and subsequent series) and I'm getting ridiculed by all these freaking nerds who can only babble on about Ender's Game and some dude named Heinlein.

Re:I think ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889420)

I started smoking pot but the principal is the same...

Re:I think ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889606)

Why are those things mutually exclusive?

Bullying (1)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889152)

I, for once, like living in Portugal. I have never seen the highly dispersed not-that-of-a-myth that *all or most* nerds get beaten up. It seems that in the USA that really happens. I've been what you can consider a nerd for a long time and yes, people tried to set me aside for a while. Eventually, I always managed to get along with everyone in my classes and school by studying their behavior and showing them how they can be better. That way, instead of having to adapt and change, I am myself trying to get them to adapt and change for what I consider something better. In the end, we all get along just great. I have seen some examples of bullying, but never against nerds, only against dumb(=not intelligent)-and-too-shy people. It seems that, in here, nerds find a way to fit in. Sure, some nerds just lay clear that they don't want contact with what they consider "inferior people", while others, and I include myself in this group, try to be able to live with everyone.

That said, the worst thing I've seen happened about 4 years ago. A group of 13-year-olds hung another 13-year-old on top of a tree, stripped him off of his clothes and let him there crying. On a scale from 1-10, defining how much that happens, I'd give it 1/infinity; I had never seen something like that. Usually bullying here is mostly verbal and, sometimes, with the typical "steal this & steal that".

Re:Bullying (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889524)

Actually, it doesn't happen all that often in the U.S. either. It's just that when there are 300 million people, something that only happens to 1% of the people still happens to 3 million people. I'm not saying that 1% of the population of the U.S. gets bullied because I have no idea what percentage of the population gets bullied, I'm just using that to give you an idea of the scale difference between Portugal and the U.S.. (If you are not familiar with the total population of Portugal it is about 10 million, or about 3.5% of the U.S. population).

Nerds have had a blueprint of action for years (0)

axl917 (1542205) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889162)

* Panty raid
* Join an all-black fraternity
* Out-chug, out-burp, and out-airband the jocks.

Success!

Confusing social bullshit (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889174)

I don't even know how to get laid. Got a girl grabbing at it and crawling in my lap and I'm like, wtf do I do? Is this right? I haven't studied for this, I know some of the basic theory but I don't think I can get it right!

Re:Confusing social bullshit (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889280)

First step, don't over think it. Be an emotional creature. Indulge in being an animal for just a bit.

Re:Confusing social bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889332)

I don't even know how to get laid. Got a girl grabbing at it and crawling in my lap and I'm like, wtf do I do? Is this right? I haven't studied for this, I know some of the basic theory but I don't think I can get it right!

Try asking her what she likes.

Re:Confusing social bullshit (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889464)

She say she like unicorns and rainbows


now what?? :(

Re:Confusing social bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889562)

In that case then, that is not your dick she is trying to grab.

Re:Confusing social bullshit (5, Funny)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889588)

put on your robe and wizard hat...

Uh huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889216)

Cowards are always looking for the reason they are cowards. Most of you here are REAL BIG behind the keyboard waxing philosophical about how you'd handle a bully. But when someone actually confronts you in real life, you go looking for the bitch switch and start hemming and hawing. Maybe if you had some stones you'd get more than the left overs of life.

Re:Uh huh (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889338)

... says the AC

This is the loaded term (3, Interesting)

omar.sahal (687649) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889232)

poor problem-solving skills within social situations

What does this mean, bullies not knowing how to interact are pent up with rage, and take it out on others. There’s one problem with this bullies are very good at reading people. Quite often they can bully under every bodies nose without arousing suspicion. They even have good mechanisms to handle tense situations (like being investigated), they can even lie effectively under these tense situations. How do you think they can get away with it.

Re:This is the loaded term (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889412)

very good at reading people.

no, they are good at recognizing a stereotype. No better the chipmunks, really.

"How do you think they can get away with it."

parents and teacher don't want to address the issue. That's how they get away with it.

Which is why... (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889246)

they end up on Slashdot, and carry on being bullied further. Mutually.

Could not read the article (2, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889250)

Still busy coughing back up my own glasses.

Breaking News! (1)

sajuuk (1371145) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889266)

Clinical Psychologists (sorry, I can't call them scientists with a straight face) prove what we already knew! Story at 11!

Easy problem (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889314)

If people are nice to you, they can borrow your homework. If not, they don't get to. And don't present it as a deal or quid pro quo, either. There are enough nice jocks to protect you from the bullies. More importantly your social status will escalate above being an acceptable bully target.

News at 11 (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889330)

To me this represents a huge leap forward in understanding nerd psychology.

Really? Bullies don't attack the "cool" people, so they bully those that don't manage to turn popular opinion against them. Well doh of course neither bully nor victim have huge social skills...

That's not the whole story though, because there's definitively people that were not smart, not popular and not bullying. Being a bully is a choice all of its own.

Stand up for yourself (5, Insightful)

MetricT (128876) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889336)

I was the typical introverted high school nerd (5'4 at the time), and had a 6'5" upper-class psychopath following me around and finding new ways to harass me.

I talked to my principal over it (God bless you Roger Hood!). He told me next time it happened, kick his ass and he (the principal) wouldn't punish me.

A few days later at PE we were playing soccer, and whenever I had the ball he would "accidentally" kick me in the leg as hard as he could. For days, it felt like a knife every time I put weight on that foot. Hurt so bad it took my breath away.

Two days later I spotted him in the hall. I kicked him in the jewels, and laid him flat on the ground. I proceeded to spend the next 3 minutes kicking and punching him in the balls, the sides, the head, anything I could hit. I didn't feel any pain in my foot at all during this. Eventually he was bawling so loud that the girls in a nearby classroom came out and rescued him (and had the gaul to ask why I was picking on the poor psychopath and being such a mean person).

Two things happened: the psychopath transferred out of the school a week later, and *no one* ever messed with me again.

I wish we could all get along. But some whack jobs only understand the language of violence, and you have to be willing to speak their language to teach them a lesson.

I don't know about this (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889396)

When I was a kid, I was somewhat socially inept*. Quite definitely a nerd from a science, math and other geek pursuits. But I didn't like getting pushed around. Get in my face and you'd get your head pushed through the wall. But I never sought out victims.

* I think it comes down to the school social structure attempting to pigeon-hole everyone into some sort of pecking order. In their eyes you either rank high or low. But that sort of tribal culture has a problem dealing with people who just don't want to play their game (hence my 'social ineptitude').

Terrorists and buttsecks (2, Interesting)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 4 years ago | (#32889536)

Interesting interview on NPR a few weeks back on a woman (who had been raped as a teen) who had studied middle eastern terrorists and came up with the thesis that many had been seriously sexually abused as children in the training camps. Pointing out that the common thread with terrorists and other people who went postal or Columbine was that they had been subjected to some form of grave humiliation and didn't really have a support group or other form of outlet.

Not excusing their means of retaliation, but it was interesting to draw the connection between humiliation and people who eventually snap violently. If the world had less humiliation going around and bystanders who are complicit with it, we'd all probably be better off, bullies and nerds alike.

RE: Nerds Still More Likely To Get Bullied (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32889582)

...but ONLY in physical reality which is full of swatikas and cancer anyways.

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