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PS3 To Gain Support For 3-D Movies On Blu-Ray and YouTube

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the all-one-of-them dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with news that Sony is planning a firmware update for the PS3 to enable 3-D playback from Blu-ray movies and YouTube. The update is scheduled for September, and support for 3-D photos will come later. Sony's Kaz Hirai spoke recently about how the PS3 was designed with these kinds of upgrades in mind. "Given how fast technology turns over now, we knew going in that we had to pack a lot of horsepower into the PS3. Four years ago — when you look at the console's power and its retail price — a lot of people were critical with the fact that there was so much packed under the hood. Now we're especially pleased to be introducing things like Move and 3-D gaming because we're able to show tangibly why we released the PS3 with the power it has, and why it makes so much sense to future proof a console." Sony also updated its PS3 Terms of Service to warn against too much 3-D viewing.

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ps3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32898638)

come on, they do not need change a thing to support PS3, it just a normal videostream. Nothing to see, sales pitch, bullshit.

Re:ps3 (2, Interesting)

SquarePixel (1851068) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898690)

This is not the usual ancient red-blue glasses, it's for 3D TV's with active shutter glasses. You cannot just feed the video stream normally.

Also, it's not just for 3D movies, it's for games too.

Re:ps3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32898736)

Actually you can support this with old hardware. I had active shutter glasses to my PC for a number of years ago, the video output was just encoded per frame. Every other fram the top two lines was yellow. That became the picture for my right (or was it left) eye. For both frames those two lines was discarded and not shown on the screen (maybe they was just blanked out).

Re:ps3 (1)

Comen (321331) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900972)

I beleive this does take twice the bandwidth, I know that Nvidia's soulution says you have to have atleast a 120Hz display, they call them "3D Vision-Ready Displays" and have a list on the website. 3d TV's would have to have the same high Hz rating so that you can basicly send twice the amount of information across the HDMI link to the TV.
For every normal 60 progressive frames, you would have 2 frames, one for each eye. I would assume the encoding is different and a software update was needed in the PS3.
The blue ray disk would hold twice the information, but a video game would take more processing power since you would render each scean twice one slightly off from the other to create a left and right eye version of a 3d scean.
Your PC must have had drivers installed with the glasses etc.

More 3-D madness. (5, Insightful)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898640)

Why this push for everything to be 3-D? It was a stupid novelty years ago, and its no less stupid now.

Re:More 3-D madness. (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898694)

At least they are trying to do something to make paying to see the movie worthwhile. They could just focus on bankrupting college students as a business, and not even bother to create an incentive to go to the theaters.

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Insightful)

SquarePixel (1851068) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898776)

And it was not stupid, just old and bad technology before. He is probably thinking the old red-blue glasses. 3D viewing has improved a lot in the recent years, and for example gives a totally new feeling with games. If you have tried Left 4 Dead with NVidia's 3D Vision Kit [nvidia.com] and a 120hz 3D capable monitor, you know what I'm talking about (it is a lot scarier too).

It really gives a completely new feeling, when done right, and remember this is all along the path for technology that can render the environment completely and realistically around us, with a complete feeling of "being there".

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899054)

It still gives me a headache. When I went to see Journey t the Center of the Earth, I had to put those stupid 3D shades over my regular glasses and everything looked distorted - like watching through a prism.

I removed my glasses and just put the 3D shades on directly, and it still didn't look right. By the time the movie was over I didn't feel good at all - the same effect as reading a book nonstop for 16 hours, but the movie was only 2 hours long. I've never had that problem with the old red/blue technology.

Re:More 3-D madness. (5, Insightful)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899492)

It still gives me a headache.

And putting pressure on the remains of my foot hurts. Congrats, like me you're a cripple. The main difference is that I don't begrudge people who can walk from enjoying it. Be glad it's such a minor disability, could be a whole lot worse than having some movies be unavailable.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900870)

Given I can see everything else perfectly, including the mosquitoes, macroblocking, and other digital artifacts that most people can not perceive, I doubt the problem is in my eyesight. More likely there's a flaw in the technology, or else just that one theater (not adjusted properly).

Re:More 3-D madness. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32901268)

No, if it works for majority of the people, then the problem is in you.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899628)

Just because you are defective doesn't mean everyone else is.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899102)

Why are people still hanging to 3D with glasses? Am I the only one who say those new 3D TVs which did NOT require any glasses?

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899328)

The resolution and viewing angle is not nearly as good. The best 3D to date is with active shutter glasses.

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Informative)

TexVex (669445) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899986)

The best 3D to date is with active shutter glasses.

No, the best 3D is with circularly polarized light (which works even if you tilt the glasses off vertical, unlike linearly polarized systems). The glasses are super cheap plastic. There is no need to blank each eye in turn for half of each frame, so there is a lot less flicker. (And flicker sensitivity isn't so much a matter of framerate but of how much of each frame is black; stereoscopic systems require 50% blankness.)

I know LCD displays are all linearly polarized. Can they be made circularly polarized instead, with rows or columns alternating polarity?

I know movie theatre screens can reflect circularly polarized light without changing the polarization, so it can work with projection home theater. But, what about DLP displays? Can the screens pass circularly polarized light with polarization intact?

I for one am not interested in home 3D that uses shutter glasses, but I'd definitely be interested in one that uses polarization.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900952)

There is no need to blank each eye in turn for half of each frame, so there is a lot less flicker. (And flicker sensitivity isn't so much a matter of framerate but of how much of each frame is black; stereoscopic systems require 50% blankness.)

I disagree. At 60Hz each eye (120Hz total), there is no perceivable flicker at all on active glasses. Your brain stitches everything together.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901090)

I know movie theatre screens can reflect circularly polarized light without changing the polarization, so it can work with projection home theater.

You actually need TWO projectors, each with a polarizing filter (90deg out of phase with the other). This makes such a system expensive and can only be used with projectors, not LCD or LED systems.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

jagsta (1607283) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901420)

LG produce a polarised LED TV for 3D viewing with polarised glasses at a reduced resolution, normal 2D sources can be displayed at full HD resolution.

Since the glasses are polarised, they are very lightweight in comparison to the active shutter glasses and are 1/100 the cost.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899278)

Seeing movies in 3-D now isn't any better than then, it still looks transparent and hurts a lot of people's heads. Not to mention the glasses, and the fact that every movie I want to see recently has been exclusively in obnoxious 3-D, which means even if you don't wear the glasses everything's all fuzzy.

Re:More 3-D madness. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899988)

3-D will continue to suck while:

A) Any form of glasses are required.
B) I cannot focus my eyes on the back/foreground and not have retarded blurring effects give me headaches
C) I cannot move to the left/right to see around/behind an object
D) It gives me splitting headaches due to blurry/out-of-focus bullshit.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900744)

...... and the new tech still suffers from the exact same problems as the old tech, motion sickness. You are forced into focussing into a single point in the image, at a specified depth, by the director / cinematographer. Now if you can show me 3D technology that tracks the motion of my eyes, focusses the images correctly at the point where my eyes are trying to look at, then maybe, just maybe, I wont vomit on the people in front of me next time I go to the cinema to watch a 3D film.....

Re:More 3-D madness. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32898858)

Or they could, you know, make some good movies...

Re:More 3-D madness. (-1, Offtopic)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899782)

They could just focus on bankrupting college students as a business, and not even bother to create an incentive to go to the theaters.

The student makes the choice.

The Red Box rental is $1.

Netflix plans start at $9 a month. HD streams at no extra charge.

The student has a theater on campus - which he subsidizes through his student union. His student ID translates to free admission and discounts elsewhere.

He has easily affordable access to a far broader range of live entertainment, film and video, than anyone living off campus.

It is laziness and greed that draws him to the P2P nets.

   

Re:More 3-D madness. (0, Offtopic)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900400)

So that justifies MPAA lawyers ruining these students' lives? We are not talking about murder, vandalism, or theft here. We are talking about downloading. Why should a college student be forced to declare bankruptcy and ruin his credit rating and ability to move upwards in society, over something as trivial and harmless as downloading a movie?

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899850)

3D really does not contribute in any way to a movie being "worthwhile" after you get over the novelty. I used to watch every 3D movie that came out when they were all the decent 3D rendered Pixar types, but these days there are plenty of crappy dumb horror movies and 3D stadium experience type ones that I don't consider worth it. Especially since I have an "Unlimited" card where I can see as many movies as I want a month for a flat rate.. except for the 3D ones which I now have to pay extra per movie, even if I bring my own glasses.. wtf?

This has actually made me choose 2D over 3D at times, once you are absorbed in the film you tend to not really notice the difference.. well, apart from the odd scene where something gets pointed toward the camera and you can tell this is the point where people would giggle and gasp if the movie were 3D.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899874)

They could just focus on bankrupting college students as a business, and not even bother to create an incentive to go to the theaters.

Well, yeah, or they could, like, make decent movies.

But I suppose that's too much to ask. Better to just make Dances with Wolves IN THREE DEE!

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

jitterman (987991) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901140)

They could also try to release honest-to-goodness original, quality films, too. No gimmicks required.

Re:More 3-D madness. (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898722)

Electronic companies want to continue the economic boom they experienced with the analog/SDTV to digital/HDTV transition. Now that it's complete, they need a new carrot to dangle in front of consumers, and they think 3DTV is it.

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Insightful)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898770)

Now we're especially pleased... because we're able to show tangibly why we released the PS3 with the power it has

Sony also updated its PS3 Terms of Service to warn against too much 3-D viewing

Sort of saying: "We are sooo pleased we are now able to sell you something that will harm you, without investing any further", eh?

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Insightful)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898852)

I think at the very least part of it has to do with piracy. I remember years ago when hddvd and bluray were first hitting the shelves they were heralded as the end of piracy. The logic was no one would be able to pirate a movie that clocks in at 40-50 gigs. Of course, thanks to h.264 and other codecs, downloading 1080p copies of movies is pretty trivial.

I suspect that studio execs are sitting around assuming no one will be able to figure out how to pirate 3-d movies. Of course, there are probably people much much smarter than they are trying to figure out how.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899942)

What exactly is there to "figure out" about copying a 3D blu-ray over a normal blu-ray?

At least at first there probably won't be that many pirated 3D movies, because to get the equipment to view it you actually need to have money, and people who have money don't tend to mooch so much stuff as students and kids. When I was a student I downloaded a few movies, now I just buy everything.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900036)

"What exactly is there to "figure out" about copying a 3D blu-ray over a normal blu-ray?"

I don't know. I'm not an expert in the field. That's why I made no assumptions about it being as easy as ripping a Blu-Ray movie.

"When I was a student I downloaded a few movies, now I just buy everything."

Same here, but I still like to buy my movies, and then rip them to a digital format for use with XBMC and the Boxee Box when it finally hits the shelves. I guess one of my big worries about the 3D BS is that movies, that would otherwise be quite good, could be poorly done just for the sake of a good 3D experience.

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900090)

3D video is nothing more than two 2D videos which alternate every other frame. It's trivial to create or decode; in fact, there are several ways you can do it:

  • Put the left and right frames next to each other into one big video frame, or...
  • Interleave the left and right frames into one stream with twice the frame rate, or...
  • Multiplex the two streams into one file, or...
  • Store the streams as two separate files.

You can actually encode and watch 3D video today, if you have the hardware. The only reasons you're not seeing tons of pirated 3D video is because the hardware is still relatively rare, the files are naturally larger than 2D versions, and player software makers (VideoLAN et al.) haven't agreed on which particular method listed above to standardize. As soon as there's a common format that works in popular players, pirated 3D video will be all over the place.

But any studio execs who thought 3D video would somehow end piracy would have to be complete idiots.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900212)

Thanks for clearing that up. Sounds like a speedbump, not an actual blockade.

"But any studio execs who thought 3D video would somehow end piracy would have to be complete idiots."

Who says they aren't complete idiots?

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Interesting)

jagsta (1607283) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898930)

I'm assuming from your comment you haven't sampled what gaming in 3D looks and feels like? I've only been able to watch in game footage from a couple of the demo titles (Motorstorm, Super Stardust HD and WipeoutHD) so far, but I can say that for both of the racing type games the effect is excellent and for me at least really contributed to the level of immersion. I think sports titles, and FPS really will be enhanced by this. I personally am not so enthusiastic about the 3D TVs (casual viewing in 3D isn't really going to work I think), but I can't wait for the 3D projectors to be launched, i'll be upgrading my projector as soon as a good model which is 3D capable is available.

10%er? (1)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898990)

Per prior /. story, some 10% of the population has trouble perceiving 3D.
I'm wondering if that subset coincides with the subset which is so vehemently against 3D video.

I find it well worth the minor extra cost. Video looks so ... flat ... without it.

Re:10%er? (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899064)

if i want to view things in 3D, why can't I just go do stuff in actual reality? I haven't ever really had trouble seeing 3D, as long as it was done well (stuff at Disney as opposed to crap on super bowl commercials i had to use cheapo glasses from a cereal box to see), I just don't really see what the big deal is. Then again, I barely watch "normal" TV, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Re:10%er? (1)

smallfries (601545) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899288)

Where do you go to shoot zombies in 3D in actual reality?

Re:10%er? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900482)

I am a cyclops, you insensitive clod!

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

KnownIssues (1612961) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899616)

Normally, I'd joke that you're asking a rhetorical question, but in this case I have to agree. This makes no sense to me either. It made sense for movie theaters to push 3D, because they are in constant competition with home theaters to provide a "unique" experience that will convince you that you should leave your home for two hours to spend $12 to watch a movie while eating your $6 bag of popcorn and drink your $5 soda.

It would also make sense if they had pushed 3D at the end of the blu-ray lifecycle because I suspect with blu-ray, we're getting close to the "it's good" level where people won't be as tempted to replace their entire library with the lastest medium.

Maybe it is as has been said by others here, driven by TV manufacturers who are greedy to reproduce the same rush of income they had from HD.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899822)

Because everyone who wants (and can reasonably afford, or has a credit card) an HDTV already has one.

Sony, etc would like some more money and hence some reason for those people to buy a new TV.

Re:More 3-D madness. (2, Interesting)

Animaether (411575) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899858)

Why this push for everything to be 3-D? It was a stupid novelty years ago, and its no less stupid now.

*shakes his cane*

sonny, my computer only has two speakers attached to it - I don't know why you youngsters insisted on this, this.. surrounding sound.. it was a stupid novelty when I was a kid, and it's no less stupid now! Now get offa my lawn!

Except... I can still watch the movie with either its included stereo track or the mix produced from the surround tracks. Why would I complain at all?

So it is with (stereoscopic) 3D as well - don't like it? Don't watch it - there's certainly zero -technical- reason you can't watch just the left view, just the right view, or a per-scene decision (not specced, afaik) of which view to take. And you can do this on that 20" CRT you picked up in 1992 that only takes composite input, rather than having to endure HD video and suffering the consequences.

In other words.. what is your complaint about, exactly? How is this push for 3D affecting you?

Why this push for everything to be 3-D?

Part money (see other replies), part because they can, part because they should - this goes mostly for movies.. it's much easier to start with a 3D pipeline than trying to make a 2D movie 3D - and part because consumers want it; when people themselves are getting 3D TVs / displays, it follows naturally that they might want to take 3D pictures - thus SONY's new batch of P&S cameras doing the stereo thing as part of its panorama sweep mode and other manufacturers coming out with cameras with 2 lenses, for example. It may be one of those things where a product is made that people didn't even know they wanted, but such it is.

It was a stupid novelty years ago, and its no less stupid now.

I disagree.. not with the stupid novelty part so much - that's a subjective thing; I've always rather enjoyed stereoscopic content and am a stereoscopic photography amateur myself (2 separate, synced, cameras for greater depth perception control) - but with the idea that it's no less stupid.

It was a lot more stupid in the 80's as there was no reasonable viewing medium outside of the theater - and very often that was a special theater as well. The only way to view at home was with red/green, red/blue, orange/cyan, etc. filter glasses. That was a heck of a lot more stupid than the full color experience you can have in the home now with shutter / polarized glasses or even lenticular / parallax barrier displays. The only thing that came close were the ViewMaster reels - and those were still images with relatively poor resolution, rather than animated content - let alone interactive content.

3D isn't a short-lived fad - it may be a niche feature (just like surround sound), and you may not be a part of the group who enjoys that particular niche feature, but to say it's no less stupid now than it was years ago would be ignoring the vast technical improvements and consumer-level availability that exists during this current push which were all but non-existent during any previous pushes.
Whether it will be a longer-term fad if it turns out consumer uptake does end up on the low side - most likely due to the "I don't want to wear 'funny' glasses" effect - is another matter. Part of me hopes it will be - perhaps they'll re-focus their efforts on True HDR displays instead ;)

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900128)

I'm sorry I didn't include it with my original post, but as I mentioned in another, all the movies I've wanted to see recently have been exclusively in 3-D.

So it is with (stereoscopic) 3D as well - don't like it? Don't watch it - there's certainly zero -technical- reason you can't watch just the left view, just the right view, or a per-scene decision (not specced, afaik) of which view to take.

This is not an option afforded to me at the box office. It's wear the uncomfortable glasses to watch the movie with stupid, transparent 3-D effects and an overall dulled picture, or watch it without and enjoy ridiculous, unviewable blur.

It's not that I mind the advancement of technology, but I would prefer it remain optional; a fork, rather than the only path forward, much like your surround sound example.

Additionally, while it may improve, I don't think it's even fair to compare 3-D to surround sound, as there aren't nearly as many arguments regarding the ways in which surround sound degrades the overall experience, whereas there are with 3-D (dulled picture, ghosty 3D-ified images, headaches).

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901002)

So it is with (stereoscopic) 3D as well - don't like it? Don't watch it - there's certainly zero -technical- reason you can't watch just the left view, just the right view, or a per-scene decision (not specced, afaik) of which view to take.

No, but there are some serious artistic reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. The left and right video streams will be skewed to one side - rather than centred on the image that the original cinematographer was looking at through his/her viewfinder. I really don't see the merit in viewing an entire film that was shot correctly using the rule of thirds [wikipedia.org], for that to become a film adhering to a rule of four fiths.

Re:More 3-D madness. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900766)

Some people prefer command lines.

Re:More 3-D madness. (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900938)

Why this push for everything to be 3-D? It was a stupid novelty years ago, and its no less stupid now.

Some gimmicks live longer than others. Some are undead monsters from the depths of Hell who, despite the attempts of the righteous, will always return, invincible. Some evils are less corrupting when embraced.

But does it run Linux? (5, Funny)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898644)

It used to.

Re:But does it run Linux? (1)

bfree (113420) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899004)

It still does as long as you didn't update the firmware from "Sony Fools" day onward. However if it runs Linux you can't use PSN, play new games, watch new blu-ray or see any of this 3d stuff.

Re:But does it run Linux? (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900706)

I haven't applied the patch for this exact reason. So far, the only issue has been using the PSN. I haven't yet hit any games or movies that have had problems. I know it's only a matter of time of course but I'm still hoping that they get pressured into reversing the stance before that happens. I'm holding out on nuking my Linux partition until there is something that I really want that I can't get. Luckily, I don't use the Linux partition much, just to play some old emulators that I can do nearly as easily on my PC so it won't affect me much when the inevitable happens.

Re:But does it run Linux? (1)

Pvt_Ryan (1102363) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899478)

You could always video yourself using linux. Convert the video to DVD and play it on the console.

Not quite as useful as running it but I guess it's the only way Linux will be on the PS3 again

force-retire the Father of the Playstation? (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898682)

>>>"Given how fast technology turns over now, we knew going in that we had to pack a lot of horsepower into the PS3."

So why did Sony force-retire the Father of the Playstation, Ken Kutaragi? It sounds like he was visionary enough to "pack a lot of horsepower" into the PS3 for future growth. But instead of rewarding him, you put him out to pasture. Seems rather cruel.

Re:force-retire the Father of the Playstation? (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899124)

For retired race horses, being put out to stud is considered a great honor. Of course, the prospects probably aren't so good for 60-year-old engineers. Tough break, I guess.

Kutagari's Console Hardware Dominance (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899254)

Let's see Kutagari spent over a decade before retiring:

* Creating 3 of the 4 fastest selling consoles in history: PS2(2nd fastest), PS3(3rd fastest), PS1(4th fastest)

* Created the top selling console in history, the 145 million worldwide selling PS2

* Destroyed Toshiba and Microsoft's piece of crap HD-DVD format with Blu-Ray in the PS3

and has been and is currently working with Sony on the PS4 hardware design.

Yeah, keep trying to spread that fanboy lie. No one cares.

Let me guess commodore64_love is one of the following losers:

* Bitter Dreamcast fanboy

* Bitter Xbox fanboy

* Bitter HD-DVD fanboy

Perhaps all of the above? Who cares...

Re:Kutagari's Console Hardware Dominance (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899832)

>>>PS3(3rd fastest),

I don't know what alternative universe you live in, but this isn't even close to true. PS3 is the least popular of this generation's consoles (3rd place), and its number of units sold (about 30 million) is no better than what the Gamecube or Nintendo64 sold during their five year spans.

>>>Created the top selling console in history, the 145 million worldwide selling PS2
>>>Destroyed piece of crap HD-DVD format with Blu-Ray

AND he also created the top-selling PS1 (130 million). That's all true. They should have treated Ken better, rather than force him into retirement like an old unwanted dog. I hate when corporations treat human beings like "human resources".
.

>>>* Bitter Dreamcast fanboy
>>>* Bitter Xbox fanboy
>>>* Bitter HD-DVD fanboy

Fanboys are typically people too poor to own more than one console, hence they defend whichever one they've got. Since I own one of each (Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft), I am a "fanboy" of none of them. They're just pieces of plastic to me. In other words you guessed wrong.

Ladies & Gents, The Dumbest Person In The Thre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900574)

Congrats dimwit. Time to get some help with your math skills dumbfuck.

The PS3 is the third fastest selling console in history. Only the PS2 and Wii have sold at a faster rate.

Go cry you fucking bitch.

Re:Ladies & Gents, The Dumbest Person In The T (0, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901012)

>>>The PS3 is the third fastest selling console in history. Only the PS2 and Wii have sold at a faster rate.

Well except the PS1 sold faster. The Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis sold faster. The Xbox 360 sold faster (more units over an equal amount of time). So yeah other than these 6 consoles (PS1,SNES,GEN,PS1,PS2,WII,X360,WII), you are correct: the PS3 is the fastest-selling console. Bravo.

>>>Congrats dimwit. Time to get some help with your math skills dumbfuck.

Right back at ya, Mr. Anonymous Coward.

Re:Kutagari's Console Hardware Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900166)

Read his post history. He's not a fanboy, just the dumbest person on the planet. Reading his entire post history will actually lower your IQ about 10 points.

Ever notice (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32898832)

Ever notice you can take a wii but can only give a shit, or not?

Ever notice how the article numbers here increase by two?

Ever notice?

warn too much 3-D viewing sounds like Virtual Boy (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898932)

warn too much 3-D viewing sounds like Virtual Boy and that failed relay bad.

Re:warn too much 3-D viewing sounds like Virtual B (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899232)

warn too much 3-D viewing sounds like Virtual Boy and that failed relay bad.

Yes...but did it fail as much as this post?

Whoopy fucking do (4, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#32898966)

Whoopy fucking do. Booting foreign operating systems is out, 3D is in. Totally repositioned as a toy.

Re:Whoopy fucking do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899218)

Not to mention cross-game chat. I mean, dammit, come on.

Re:Whoopy fucking do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900200)

This just in! Video game systems ARE toys!

Whatever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899038)

I don't care about 3D-movies or -pictures or even -games. I can't buy Deathspank [playstation.com] on PSN yet. How about you fix shit that matters before going for shit that doesn't? K? TNX.

Re:Whatever. (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899192)

I can't buy Deathspank on PSN yet.

Yes you can, it came out today (in Europe anyway).

Re:Whatever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900064)

No I can't, I've checked PSN regularly the last hours, and it's not up. If it is up, they have neg-cached me, which is a WTF.

Re:Whatever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900450)

About 15min after that post it finally appeared.

HDMI 1.4 (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899126)

Does anyone know how is Sony supporting 3D BluRay on the PS3 when it requires HDMI 1.4? As I understand it, HDMI 1.4 is not a simple upgrade; it requires new generation transceivers on the source device which obviously can't apply to PS3s going back to 2006.

Re:HDMI 1.4 (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899346)

Well, the 3d is gimped a bit actually, and that's why they can do it with hdmi 1.3. The PS3 will just flicker the frames, so you won't be getting nice 120hz 3d, but more like 30hz 3d.

Re:HDMI 1.4 (1)

jagsta (1607283) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899390)

the 3D bit of HDMI1.4 doesn't require any physical changes to transceivers or to cables, it's protocol and display mode related. It's stuff like the HDMI ethernet channel and audio return channel which would require different cables/transceivers. You'll be able to run 3D over the existing cable you've already got if it's a 1.3 spec.

Re:HDMI 1.4 (2, Informative)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899586)

Does anyone know how is Sony supporting 3D BluRay on the PS3 when it requires HDMI 1.4? As I understand it, HDMI 1.4 is not a simple upgrade; it requires new generation transceivers on the source device which obviously can't apply to PS3s going back to 2006.

Likely they are only implementing the 3D portion of the spec, not the other stuff like audio return, ethernet or 4k resolution. Changing to 3D would only require an update in the refresh rate to 120Hz which they could probably have planned for when they designed it.

"new" 3d? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899164)

I had a 3d headset for Descent, back in 1997. Gave me nothing but eyestrain, avoiding this trend like the plague.

Now your rootkit comes in 3 D I M E N S I O N S ! (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899344)

See THE HORROR of Sony's control freaks in 3-D!
Witness the heavy hand of DRM in its FULL GLORY!
Experience the fear of another PS3 feature being pulled in ALL ITS DEPTH!
Watch as the Japanese come RIGHT OUT IN THE THEATER to take over your console industry!

Re:Now your rootkit comes in 3 D I M E N S I O N S (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32899532)

The japanese can't take over something they've always owned.

Re:Now your rootkit comes in 3 D I M E N S I O N S (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899638)

Obviously, the Jap 5th-columnists have already gotten to you. They've brainwashed you into thinking Atari and Microsoft are Japanese. There is no help for you now, I'm afraid. Soon you'll be worshiping Hirohito and crashing your plane into one of our destroyers. You won't even like the taste of apple pie by then.

No need, the PS3 isn't hacked yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32900566)

There is no real need for Sony to push an additional rootkit with the 3D video, since for the moment the PS3 platform itself is still secure. And even though people are always jabbering that DRM can't work, or that physical access means all security flies out of the window, the platform has been safe for over three years. Yes, there are some people who claimed to have pried it open, but when all was said and done their claims didn't really amount to very much. I'm willing to reconsider my position only if a) an emulator exists that can run existing games and b) sufficient documentation comes to light that it's possible to make the PS3 (or emulator) do whatever existing games do.

Won't somebody think of the children? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899376)

And this time, I believe, the cry fits. We all read previous stories about how 3D video games can serve to damage the visual perception of young children. This was identified long ago by a game console maker which then quietly halted pursuit of a 3D video gaming system. Now they want to try it again?

I realize it's "for movies" but I think it makes little difference whether it will be video games or movies.

Re:Won't somebody think of the children? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900402)

One specific type of 3D system was identified to have negative effects in the 90s yes - that doesn't mean all 3D systems will be bad. Besides, 2D screens are already pretty bad for you I thought?

I think the problem with the system that you mention was probably to do with having the screens right in front of your eyes, but the system didn't actually track eye movement to change the display according to where you looked. That seems like it would mess with your brain-eye coordination and ability to focus correctly on objects etc, especially if used by kids who haven't yet fully developed the parts of their brain that interpret visual stimuli.

Not the same (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900490)

I have a Virtua Boy, and the 3D from that system is totally different than modern 3D systems. You can watch a whole 3D movie now with ease, but the Virtual Boy involved a lot more eyestrain - possibly in part because of the bright monochromatic red...

Awesome! (2, Interesting)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899380)

I shall rush out and buy a PS3 just as soon as I forgive Sony for the cd rootkit, and for removing linux option for PS3. This is assuming PS3 is still available, it may be the PS72 by then. And that is also assuming that Sony haven't pulled any more annoying stunts.

Fine As Long... (1)

EXTomar (78739) | more than 3 years ago | (#32899932)

I'm okay with it as long as...

- Its free and distributed by a patch/update.
- It doesn't interfere if I don't have 3-D hardware hooked up.
- Easy to enable/disable/configure if I do have 3-D hardware hooked up.

If it is seemless and free and doesn't break anything then it is really a "value add" and I don't mind.

Re:Fine As Long... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900434)

The update will be free, Sony 3D TV and 3D movies/games I suspect will not be quite so free..

PS tis "seamless"

Cool (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900012)

It speaks well of Sony to keep adding things to their product. I remember when I got my PS3 if PS4 would be out the next year. Yes, losing Linux was sucky.

Re:Cool (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900830)

"sucky"? Is that all you can say about it? It means you can't trust them not to remove a random feature from the PS4 if they decide they don't like it any more.

Yes, more power is awesome (1)

DeanCubed (814869) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900102)

Because they certainly could not have had motion controls on a less powerful system, like for instance, the PSP, or even a GameCube-level home console.... Does anyone here on /. have a 3D television at home? Has it been worth it so far?

can I also have update for my Sony LCD tv? (1)

Gunstick (312804) | more than 3 years ago | (#32900552)

Hey so I only have to update the PS3, the sony TV (Just one year old, come on!, and it is the top of the line model too!) and buy a couple of glasses.
Do you have this as a bundle?

Oh, this is classified in the "will never happen" section?

Fix the Damn Original Units (2, Insightful)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#32901186)

It'd be nice if they would actually get around to admitting the YLOD overheat problem with the older 40-60-80 gig units is a manufacturing error (its obvious upon disassembly that the thermal grease is improperly applied and of low quality) and fix them. Hell, even Microsoft admitted to and addressed the RROD problem, taking steps to properly assist those who suffered from it.

PS3 Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32901310)

So it is an interesting world, where consoles gain and lose features at the flip of a switch. And what has this tremendous flexibility gotten us? Other OS is completely out. But the ability to jump on the latest asinine, overwrought bandwagon is gained.

By end-of-life, PS3 will no longer play games but simply beam pleasant, hypnotoad-like "binaural beats" straight into the player's cerebrum (with the optional cerebral attachment at 49.95 apiece). Zombie Opium Wars casualties will rise from their graves and be awed at the quality and legality of the new product, then proceed to eat brains.

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