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OpenSUSE 11.3 Is Here

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the lovely-little-lizard dept.

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lukehashj writes "The openSUSE Project is pleased to announce the release of the latest incarnation of openSUSE, with support for 32-bit and 64-bit systems. OpenSUSE 11.3 is packed with new features and updates including SpiderOak to sync your files across the Internet for free, Rosegarden for free editing of your audio files, improved indexing with Tracker, and updates to Mozilla Firefox, and Thunderbird."

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suse is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918114)

suse is the retarded fat kid of linux distros

Re:suse is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918146)

True. It's only a little better than Windows Seven, for 100% less cost.

Re:suse is... (1)

blai (1380673) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918464)

how did you get 100%?

Re:suse is... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918492)

Take the cost of Windows. Reduce it by 100% and you get free, which is the price of openSUSE.

Math is hard.

Re:suse is... (3, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919026)

And had Novell not gotten in bed with Microsoft, I might even consider SuSE. However, they did, and thus SuSE was completely removed from my radar (and most everyone else in our Linux User's Group. Now it is Mandriva, Fedora, and Ubuntu.

Re:suse is... (4, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919178)

I understand those sentiments. However, as a Linux advocate, I want Linux to grow and succeed. Part of that means that people need migration paths from Microsoft solutions to Linux solutions. Novell seems to be the one company working on interoperability and migration paths to help people.

In striking the patent deal, it helps protect Novell as they work on Samba, Mono, etc. which in turn open the door for enterprise environments to integrate Linux in a Windows envrionment.

Not to mention, since openSUSE is free (as in beer) you're not financially supporting Novell. If you don't donate or contribute back, you're actually adding to their financial burdern.

openSUSE is also community driven, so you're really spiting the community more than Novell.

Re:suse is... (1)

ddubbleya (899847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919354)

Owned. Great points Andrew. I for one think that openSUSE is a great distro. I took a Linux class where we learned Linux and ran on it. I do love my Ubuntu for every day use but it is a great distro and Novell has some muscle to keep pushing Linux forward.

Re:suse is... (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919560)

I appreciate your informative and enlightened response (I wish there were more like you on Slashdot). Do believe me when I say that the SuSE distro is a good one, and I, too, want to see everything Linux grow and succeed. I also think that the goal of furthering MS-Linux interactivity is a good one.

However, I am a very, very long term Unix and Linux users and advocate and monitor things like this pretty closely and didn't like what I saw or the outcome. I do believe that when Novell entered into that patent arrangement with Microsoft, it sent a chilling effect through the Linux/FOSS environment and caused some real damage. For that, I find it hard to "forgive" Novell. To me, it negated a lot of the good things that Novell (and through proximity, the SuSE community) had done. Support of SuSE, even if not monetary, still supports Novell's products and services (through mind share).

They could have handled it better. They could have done things differently. I think they should have. I know not everyone agrees with me, but that is OK :)

Re:suse is... (3, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919628)

I'm worried that Microsoft could try to claim that it proves Linux as-is infringes on Microsoft patents. However, does Microsoft really want a lengthy SCO-type trial?

Linus has said he's pretty sure there is prior art for anything Microsoft would try to claim.

In the end, it infused Novell with cash (which they needed) and gave Novell security that they wouldn't be sued.

Personally, I don't think Microsoft really can start a massive patent war against Linux on the whole because the EU has already twice dropped massive fines on them, and said if they didn't work on interoperability (which I think led to the Novell deal) the EU would ban the sale of Microsoft products in the EU.

Microsoft's hands are somewhat tied here. They can try a little FUD every now and then, but they can't do much damage.

Re:suse is... (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919706)

>>>Novell seems to be the one company working on interoperability and migration paths to help people.

Hello.

SUSE might be the greatest OS ever made, but I want to take a moment to plug the new Lightweight Ubuntu (lubuntu) Linux. I installed it on my old Windows 98 laptop with just 160 megabytes RAM (32 internal + 160 expansion), and it works great. It has the power of the latest 2010 Linux OS, but without the unnecessary bloat of xubuntu or Gnome ubuntu.

Canonical also provides the backing & migration path that Microsoft or Mac users (me) are looking for. IMHO if we want Linux to succeed we really should focus our efforts behind whichever version we consider the best, rather than running-off in a bunch of different directions (which looks confusing to the Newbie standing on the outside & looking in).

Re:suse is... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919746)

[correction]

32 internal + [128] expansion for 160 total. I used to have a 256 RAM expansion in this machine which made Win98 run like a rocket, but one day it just stopped working. Annoying. :-|

Re:suse is... (1, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919828)

openSUSE also has a lightweight version with the LXDE desktop, and an XFCE desktop.

DSL can run Linux with 32 megs of memory.

My point about migration is migrating your workflow processes and data.

If you're files are in Microsoft Office format, and your Linux distro can't open them, then you can't really switch to Linux without losing your data.

Novell is the one pushing the most with integrating with existing Microsoft products to allow people to take their data with them, or work alongside Windows boxes.

Mono also provides a .NET alternative in Linux, so you can take your .NET apps and run them in Linux.

Re:suse is... (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920326)

i don't think mono can just run a windows compile .net app lol. but it does make it easy to port .net apps over to linux.

Re:suse is... (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920214)

its no mater now the patent deal with suse expired and they never renewed it. manly due to m$ doing nothing to help suse. the deal was ment to let suse use Microsoft stuff with them helping make suse apps it never happond just took there money and didnt give a thing back.

Re:suse is... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32921774)

Used to like suse, it was once my favorite, now I only use it because I have to. My biggest gripe: they think it's okay to replace 'standard' commands with their own -that don't behave the same or are just a redirect to yast. gpasswd has a -a, and no matter how broken you think grub-install is, you DON'T FUCKING RENAME SHIT THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU. Rename your own whiz-bang tool and let it compete on its own merits. bastards.

My second biggest gripe is yast itself. It's great if you ONLY EVER use yast to do anything -you have to restrict yourself the (quite) narrow use case the suse devs are able to imagine. And that's really the crux of the problem with suse, just like Windows, if they didn't think of it already it's going to be unnecessarily difficult to do in suse.

Wow (0, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918120)

Story's been up for almost 15 minutes and no comments. Is linux dying?

Just kidding. Suse rocks.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919054)

This is the first time BitTorrent indicated it would take more than a year to download.

Re:Wow (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919416)

This is the first time BitTorrent indicated it would take more than a year to download.

Just in time for my torrent of OpenSuSe 11.4!
*ducks*

Does anyone.... (1)

jomast (173693) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918122)

Does anyone actually use OpenSUSE anymore? For an all purpose Linux distro, Ubuntu and Fedora seem to have the market cornered. (speaking non-commercially that is)

Yes (in Europe) (4, Insightful)

Sits (117492) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918214)

I was at a European conference a week ago and there were quite a few attendees with laptops running some version of openSUSE. A previous UK computer science department I was in also used openSUSE as its distro.

Re:Does anyone.... (4, Insightful)

Rydia (556444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918228)

I use openSuSE, as do most of the people I know. It doesn't have the warm fuzzies that people seem to get off Fedora and it doesn't have the nerd chic/new hotness feeling that Ubuntu has (which many, many others have had before, I might add), but it is a very well-maintained and established distro with probably the best configuration/installation (yast is very nice) of the lot, and has benefited from closeness to both the GNOME and KDE projects.

It's a nice distro.

Re:Does anyone.... (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918530)

It isn't as bleeding edge as Ubuntu, but the releases aren't nearly as broken.

openSUSE has give us Compiz, Moonlight, Office 2007 support in OpenOffice, Exchange support in Evolution, Samba, etc.

It is my distro of choice. And I also really like that they focus on putting out both really solid KDE and Gnome desktops.

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Interesting)

malzfreund (1729864) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919188)

openSUSE is def more aggressive than Ubuntu in integrating the latest packages. Just compare the kernel or gcc versions they've shipped vs Ubuntu on DistroWatch. Among the major distros, openSUSE is less bleeding edge than Fedora. But which major distro isn't? Also, iyam, openSUSE releases are buggier than Ubuntu releases. FWIW, I was a SUSE user for seven years. After I dealt with small inconveniences after every SUSE release (altough I didn't encounter any showstoppers in years), I recently made the switch to Ubuntu. I couldn't be happier.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919262)

Ubuntu shipped Upstart first. Ubuntu shipped grub2 first. Ubuntu shipped ext4 first. Ubuntu shipped PulseAudio first.

openSUSE has tried to let many of these bake and stabilize first. Even in this openSUSE 11.3 release, Upstart and grub2 are optional.

The weird thing is that in the last Ubuntu LTS release, they didn't want to ship a bleeding edge Xorg release, but they wanted all the bleeding edge features, so they tried to backport them all and just broke things.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

ddubbleya (899847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919464)

grub 2 is not something to be proud of...

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919574)

I'm not saying Ubuntu should be proud. I'm just defending my earlier point that Ubuntu tends to live a little closer to the bleeding edge.

malzfreund responded suggesting openSUSE is bleeding edge because they release newer versions of GCC. Ubuntu 10.04 shipped with GCC 4.4.3 in April and openSUSE 11.3 just shipped with GCC 4.5, both of which were the stable version of GCC at the time. Neither were major overhauls or big changes.

However, Ubuntu did push major changes with PulseAudio, Grub2, Upstart, etc. In each case, there was some backlash they pushed these things a little too early.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

ddubbleya (899847) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920690)

OK glad you cleared that up. I completely agree with what you are saying. I'm just saying that for me grub 2 is a mess.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919804)

I thought Fedora was first out with ext4...

Re:Does anyone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918608)

I attempted to mess with it, but finding a tool to create a bootable Live-USB stick proved challenging. Any recommendations?

Re:Does anyone.... (4, Informative)

Rydia (556444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918714)

http://susestudio.com/ [susestudio.com]

Build your own image with USB as your target. The process is simple and streamlined (and they have videos).

Re:Does anyone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918802)

Good lord, that looks useful! I need to deploy the IBM iSeries Access for Linux package, which ends up requiring all sorts of stupid libraries (libmotif). Customized distro is major win!

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Informative)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920546)

We use SuSE Studio to create pre-configured linux distros of our POS application and Database Server. It's stable and works. I can't say we've had that experience with Ubuntu as Ubuntu broke stuff from 8 to 9 and then from 9 to 10 with our point of sale system. Sometimes it was hardware support that was suddenly buggy, other times it was buggy libraries causing the problem. We've never had that problem with SuSE/OpenSuSE. Plus SuSE Point of Service is the linux supported by NCR on their equipment and is supported by HP retail equipment.

Re:Does anyone.... (3, Informative)

ustolemyname (1301665) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920586)

dd if=imagename.iso of=/dev/usbdevice bs=8M

Works on any of the live CD downloads. Needs to be done as root. usbdevice will typically be sd[a-z]. setting the block size to 8 MB just makes it go faster.

Detailed instructions here. [opensuse.org]

Re:Does anyone.... (2)

forestgomp (526317) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919394)

My favorite distro. YaST is the big difference, IMHO -- other distros have nothing like it. I've got OpenSuse 11.2 installed on my daughter's laptop (and Ubuntu on my wife's, but I much prefer the former); if my daughter can have all she needs to on it and not complain too much, they're definitely doing something right.

Ubuntu is for Windows people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919794)

"nerd chic" for Ubuntu? You've got to be kidding. Ubuntu is for Windows people who want to think they're cool. The same folks who mistakenly call "directories" as "folders", and use the term "cli" for the shell.

It's fake chic, but not nerd chic in any way.

Re:Ubuntu is for Windows people (1)

Omestes (471991) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921648)

Oh dear, I use Ubuntu, so I'm not nearly nerdy enough! Whatever should I do?

For the record I've used many many distros over the course of many many years and Ubuntu was the first one that didn't require directing 50% of my free time to hand-editing config files and glaring angry at man pages. Actually I think its the first distro that recognized any wifi card I've ever used, and 90% of the sound chips/cards (though still not on an old iBook). To me that is more important than being "nerdy enough".

I don't equate doing more work that I have to with being a nerd, I associate it with being stupid.

Re:Does anyone.... (2)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920568)

I've found that those of us using OpenSuSE do so because it generally works and stable so we can be working on fixing other problems.

Re:Does anyone.... (5, Insightful)

jodosh (1260096) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918270)

I for one do (and it is still in the top 5 on distrowatch). YaST is a wonderful tool if you have never used it. One place to edit just about every config file and deal with system admin is very useful. Also their integration with KDE is by far the best of all the distros I have tried in a long time.

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Interesting)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918450)

Meh, I couldn't get YaST to work my 2 monitors properly. Fedora works.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918572)

Out of the box? Were you running the same video drivers?

Fedora tends to be running bleeding edge snapshot builds of Xorg, Mesa, etc. lately so that might have something to do with it.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919784)

Hmmm, that's odd. I'm running a triple head configuration across two video cards. Which drivers are you using?

Re:Does anyone.... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918458)

YaST is a wonderful tool if you have never used it.

.. and once you have used it, it's not so wonderful? :)

Re:Does anyone.... (4, Interesting)

pkbarbiedoll (851110) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919220)

On a non-production system I made the mistake of editing the httpd file through Yast2. Yast "helped" "fix" my conf file so that Apache would not longer work. I learned not to edit important configuration files through gui tools.

I haven't looked at SuSE linux in almost 4 years.. SLES 9 was very stable.

Ubuntu is on all of my workstations & laptops now, and RHEL is on the servers.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

sleeping143 (1523137) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918616)

YaST is a good enough system overall, but the software management feels like an last-minute addition. The only system I've used that's slower and more frustrating for me than openSuSE's is "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows. It just can't compete with apt or portage, on any level.

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Informative)

Rydia (556444) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918752)

The software management module is just a frontend to zypper, which works pretty much identically to apt.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

jodosh (1260096) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918830)

To go along with this, YaST package management was horrifically slow near the end of the 10.X series. With all the work done on zypper, package management has improved a ton. Their is still work to be done, but it isn't something that is too slow to use like it once was.

Re:Does anyone.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32921388)

YaST sw_single is the GUI interface to ZYpp
zypper is the command line interface to ZYpp

And ZYpp, with its mathematically perfect dependency resolution algorithm (http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/~lerner/papers/opium.pdf) is far better than APT.

Re:Does anyone.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919052)

If you are seriously comparing YAST and portage that proves that you are clueless beyond all hope. And FTR, yes zypper used to be horribly slow, much like yum. It has since improved and currently, you know the state we should be interested in unless someone is trolling, I'd say it's on par with apt.

Re:Does anyone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919276)

YAST is easily the best installer ever created for Linux. I use Fedora, Ubuntu and openSUSE (although openSUSE 90% of the time now) and none of them are as seamless and easy to manage as openSUSE.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918360)

Yeah, runs my web/fileserver, and does a great job. The windows equivalent (in my case, Windows XP), needs to be rebooted once a day at this point.

Re:Does anyone.... (-1, Troll)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918968)

That's what you get for downloading files called "Swedish_beastiality_bukkake.avi.exe". Meanwhile, all the non-morons are seeing year-long uptimes on XP boxes.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919816)

You download porn on your servers? Man, that's stupid. I use my mac desktop for that.

Re:Does anyone.... (0, Offtopic)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920298)

I think you've misread what I wrote. Try again?

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

grommit (97148) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918380)

Yes, quite a few people use OpenSUSE. It's one of the few distros with a decent KDE implementation out of the box.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Zach978 (98911) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918960)

Yep --- I'm a long time KDE'er and just recently gave up with kubuntu and am really liking OpenSUSE.

Re:Does anyone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918474)

well, I am very satisfied with my opensuse install. It is really a problem-free experience. Everything just works.

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Interesting)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918590)

Yep; where I work (small university dep't) one of the faculty members has it on all his desktops.

My main grumble about OpenSuSE is that, at least until 11.2 -- I'm still fuzzy on the details -- you couldn't actually do an upgrade [sherrillmix.com] from SuSE itself using zypper; you had to boot from the DVD and upgrade. I'm used to CentOS and Debian where this sort of thing isn't a mix of hope and prayer [opensuse.org] or a feature request [opensuse.org] .

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Funny)

forestgomp (526317) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919288)

So they release 11.3, and your main gripe is a missing feature that .... isn't missing as of 11.2 ?

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919810)

I was commenting on a feature like that being so late in showing up...but yeah, fair point.

Re:Does anyone.... (3, Informative)

oatworm (969674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918740)

Because OpenSUSE's KDE implementation tends to be less buggy and better integrated than most, it's frequently used as a reference distro for KDE reviews. Basically, if there's a KDE function that doesn't work on OpenSUSE, it's assumed that it doesn't work anywhere, which probably isn't too far from the truth.

Plus, YaST is a fairly intuitive and exhaustive system management console. It admittedly gets a little buggy when you start bumping into corner cases, but, if you're not into hand-coding your config files, it's vastly superior to dpkg-configure. Though I certainly don't begrudge anyone that's willing to wade their way through the command-line and their system's config files, it's nice to have some tools that help you go in the right direction when you need to do those one-off configuration jobs and don't require a fully functional LAMP installation (Webmin, phpMyAdmin, and so on).

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921366)

Don't forget that Yast offers multiple different user interfaces, depending on what you're using. QT3, QT4, GTK, and ncurses (handy if you don't have X, if it's not working, or if you're on SSH). It looks and functions almost identically on each, but always feels "native" and doesn't require that you install the libraries for something you're not using.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

oatworm (969674) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921408)

Yep - big, big fan of ncurses YaST.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

the plant doctor (842044) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918832)

Yep. It's on my office mate's machine.

I'm using Ubuntu though.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918886)

I've found OpenSuse to install on a wider range of hardware with fewer problems to troubleshoot than Ubuntu.

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Interesting)

mattcsn (1592281) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919022)

I'm a very satisfied openSUSE user. I cut my teeth on Slackware back in the day (and still run it wherever stability is really important), and was never really happy with any of the auto-everything distros until I discovered openSUSE a year ago. It has the same balance of reasonably-stable and reasonably-up-to-date that I like about Slackware, combined with a sane out-of-the-box configuration. My MSI Wind U100 netbook is currently running 11.3 right now, and I've had zero problems. If it stays that way for a few days, I'll switch my desktop machine from 11.2 to 11.3.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

cheezegeezer (1765936) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919180)

beats the rest of em hands down in almost all departments Ubuntu Humm do me a favour joke centeral Fedora well now just been playing with the latest thanks but no thanks now if you were to say Slackware then you may have a good point

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Daemonik (171801) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919192)

What is this market you're speaking of? There are lots of linux markets that Ubuntu/Fedora don't serve. SuSE and now OpenSuSE have a much larger presence in Europe. For myself I've been using SuSE for almost a decade and have always found it to be a stable, well designed distro. No other distribution focuses as much love and attention on KDE, yet manages to keep that quality for every desktop they support.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

Obble (1680532) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919986)

I've been waiting for this release, I use OS 11.2 as well. I have tried Ubuntu, Gentoo & Slackware but always came back to OpenSuse. (mainly because it's the CD that wasn't scratched and booted with little effort because of my old / weird sata chipset. )

Re:Does anyone.... (2, Informative)

luther349 (645380) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920398)

i used to love suse as my distro. but the patent deal made me turn away from it. as well as much of the community. i started with redhat and loved it then it turned into garbage with fedora. so i moved to mandrake i found it to buggy. then ran suse for a long time. patent deal moved me to ubuntu and thats where i still am. debs are also alot easer to manage then rpms when it come to cleaning the system of old librarys on software you remove.

Re:Does anyone.... (1)

mf5410 (1857010) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920776)

I use it for servers desktops and laptops. In the USA, by the way. It's a great distro. It's approachable to newbies and has all of the sophisticated features you need for development or server deployment. Check out autoyast, for example ... xml driven auto machine deployment from PXE boot on up. Some other distros might get more press time, but this one's been a rock solid companion of mine for easily 10 years.

Re:Does anyone.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32920888)

Exactly what I was going to say - it seems only fucktards use SuSE anymore, n00bs use Ubuntu and everyone else uses Fedora.

Top features (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918134)

A bit, imho, far more relevant ones, are described in Top Features [opensuse.org] . Support for Btrfs, and the visual interface of Meego for netbooks, sound to me a bit more interesting, apart of the usual incremental improvement over previous versions.

What happened... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918162)

What happened to 'news for nerds'? I mean, seriously, this reads as if it was written for a complete newbie, not a nerd. Seems this way with most articles on /. these days, it's a real shame :s

Re:What happened... (3, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918292)

What is this "Linux" thing? Is that a new Apple or Microsoft product?

Re:What happened... (1)

Bugamn (1769722) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919014)

It's Google's.

Re:What happened... (3, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918444)

Well when you quit submitting quality links with great summaries this website has just gone to hell.

Why don't you submit better stories with great summaries anymore?

I am of course being sarcastic, but really if you want better submit better.

Re:What happened... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919430)

The fuck? Why we have to do everything?

Took them quite a while... (2, Informative)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918192)

for an update compared to other distributions. Then again, Opensuse has always been super stable for my uses.

Glad to see Rosegarden gets a mention... it's great program. Spideroak... eh - at least for the free verison. Haven't played with it, but Dropbox had this covered long before Spideroak. And I can use Truecrypt with dropbox. That and the client is 75 megs. Rather large for my tastes.

I'll have to give this a try on one of my machines (currently have 11.2 installed on one).

Re:Took them quite a while... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#32919456)

I believe openSUSE made a decision to move to an 8 month release cycle where as many other distros are doing 6 month release cycles. They feel they can pack in more features, and have plenty of time to test.

Re:Took them quite a while... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32920924)

Since when does Dropbox work reliably with KDE? Does Dropbox work if you're not using Nautilus?

If it's not Consolidated Lint, it's just fuzz.

Re:Took them quite a while... (1)

Penguinclaw (1541129) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921920)

M-Audio works out of the box with out all the shinanigans of yum remove pulseaudio or apt get remove pulseaudio... I agree OpenSUSE is stable and the distro where everything just works.... Listen up Windows users!!! I have tried the latest Fedora 13 release for two weeks. And okay it looks so gorgeous out of the box....But there are so many things that just don't work or crash (at least on my machine) and I'm not just talking Flash/ MP3 etc.... I mean the desktop! openSUSE installs with no fuss and does what it says on the box!

SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918262)

Seriously, can't people who write software choose meaningful, easy-to-remember names for their programs?

How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files? And that 'SpiderOak' name is a joke, right?

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918406)

How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files?

As an aside, Rosegarden isn't really an "audio editor" as wound commonly be thought, a la Audacity. It's a full blown music studio, including, MIDI, audio and (somewhat) basic notation. It's actually pretty decent.

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (2, Insightful)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918622)

How is "Firefox" supposed to make you think of browsing the web?

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32918846)

It doesn't. That's why I don't use it.

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918954)

So that's why there are so many Internet Explorer users.

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (5, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918920)

soak a fox's tail in gasoline and light it on fire. see how the fox zigzags this way and that, covering a lot of ground in an unpredictable erratic path? just like surfing the web

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (2, Insightful)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 4 years ago | (#32918658)

Seriously, can't people who write software choose meaningful, easy-to-remember names for their programs?

How the hell is 'rosegarden' supposed to make me think about editing audio files? And that 'SpiderOak' name is a joke, right?

Y'mean like Acid [sonycreativesoftware.com] , or Abelton [ableton.com] or Pinacle [avid.com] or Pro Tools [avid.com] ?

Tell me that someone new to the field would have any clue what type of software those names represent?

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919230)

Just because commercial software has meaningless names doesn't mean OSS has to do the same.

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921270)

There's only so many variations of "Sound Editor" or "Audio Editor" that you can chose to have a meaningful. It's not so easy coming up with a unique name for your software.

Re:SpiderOak? Rosegarden? (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920428)

And Slashdot. With the slashing and dotting, it sounds like an MMORPG. Well, with the achievements system and the karma system and the friends/foes system, Slashdot basically is an MMORPG.

Update in place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919470)

Can I update V 11.2 , 11.1 in place and expect not lose what I have ?
Likely?, Yes ?, impossible?
    or no?

Re:Update in place? (2, Informative)

baileydau (1037622) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921056)

Can I update V 11.2 , 11.1 in place and expect not lose what I have ?
Likely?, Yes ?, impossible?

    or no?

Yes you can. With 11.2 you can either do it via the updater (zypper ) or do an upgrade from the appropriate CD / DVD. I can't remember if 11.1 can do a dist upgrade via zypper or not.

I normally just do the upgrade from DVD, and have always done so. I've never had any significant issues in the past. I normally do some testing on OpenSUSE releases and that is the thing I concentrate on, making sure that upgrades work (NB. I was a slacker this time and didn't do any testing on 11.3)

Impossible to buy in North America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32919752)

I would have bought OpenSUSE 11.3 days ago, but when I click on the North America buy OpenSUSE link, then click on the (broken) add to cart button, I get:

"A problem was encountered when communicating with the server. Please try again."

I guess they really don't expect many orders when no one notices that the North America purchase link is broken.

Re:Impossible to buy in North America (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920146)

Why are you buying a free distro?

Re:Impossible to buy in North America (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 4 years ago | (#32920274)

when you buy a distro like suse it comes with non-oss software and pro support.not just the community irc but real phone support. so your buying the commercial softwhere part and support.

Re:Impossible to buy in North America (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#32922184)

I guess they really don't expect many orders when no one notices that the North America purchase link is broken.

Apple does the same thing on product releases, funny enough.

Novell is making it easier to migrate to MS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32920228)

I love the way they take the single most important step in their tactics to undermine Linux and pretend it is intended to achieve exactly the opposite of what it is designed for.

Still, no problem. They are rapidly gaining pace as they slide down that slippery slope with Miguel steering the sled ever more frantically.

I'm impressed (1)

CaliTinFoilHat (1857068) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921350)

I installed it today. The problems I see already are that the Wiki and Forums are respectively incomplete (even for 11.2) and out of date; and the ATI and NVIDIA proprietary drivers are difficult to install. On the plus side, the open source ATI drivers for my machine were installed out of the box. The ability to set up encrypted volumes was easy using the installer. The installer is also full of features and elegant. I also like the Dolphin-Superuser mode which is absent in Kubuntu. Installation of restricted multimedia codecs, dvdcss, and flash was a one-click deal. Overall I'm impressed.

Novell has done better than the original owners (1)

trygstad (815846) | more than 4 years ago | (#32921356)

I believe Novell has been a better shepherd of this distribution than the original owners and have built a much better community. And their distro of OpenOffice.org, Go-OO, rocks--which is why it has become the default version in several other Linux distros. Honestly, I just wish they had some products that made them more money--like Netware used to--so they could go on contributing so much to the open source community. Let's face it, Samba, Mono, and Moonlight--while in many contexts being self-serving for Microsoft--really have made a serious contribution to Linux/Windows interoperability. I look forward to using the new release of openSUSE in the Linux+ class I am teaching this fall--along with Fedora and Ubuntu, of course.
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