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US Gov't Orders 73,000 Private Websites Offline

Soulskill posted about 4 years ago | from the one-fell-swoop dept.

Government 536

joeszilagyi sends this excerpt from TorrentFreak: "... according to the owner of a free WordPress platform which hosts more than 73,000 blogs, his network of sites has been completely shut down on the orders of the authorities. Blogetery.com has been with host BurstNet for 7 months, but on Friday July 9th the site disappeared. ... Due to the fact that the authorities aren't sharing information and BurstNet are sworn to secrecy, it is proving almost impossible to confirm the exact reason why Blogetery has been completely taken down. The owner does, however, admit to handling many copyright-related cease and desists in the past, albeit in a timely manner as the DMCA requires."

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536 comments

The fact is, US is just as bad as China (3, Interesting)

SquarePixel (1851068) | about 4 years ago | (#32929364)

Who said US doesn't pull stunts like China? I think I've heard so many times on slashdot.

US is just as bad. It's just for different interests (protecting the money and cash flow of huge corporations versus ensuring that the people in the country don't start bloody revolts).

Twist it how you want to, but the fact remains that both countries act like assholes and US is in the same level.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929422)

The difference is, we are talking about the incident right now.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Insightful)

SquarePixel (1851068) | about 4 years ago | (#32929496)

What makes you think the Chinese cant? Just because it's not on slashdot? They usually have their own sites because of language differences too. News also got around before the internet too, don't underestimate how much people can talk using normal means - especially in the Asian countries (where I have lived many times), where even little gossip goes around the really quickly. Just because you cant read about it on the usual news sites doesn't mean people don't know.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (4, Insightful)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 4 years ago | (#32929838)

This [wikipedia.org] would make me think the Chinese can't. One of many [wikipedia.org] . So, do you think it's all well and good to suppress discourse, so long as somewhere behind a locked door a couple people who trust each other thoroughly might take the risk of actually talking about something?

Fuck you.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Insightful)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about 4 years ago | (#32930016)

Wake up, pal. You are nowhere near as free as you think you are. Your life is as constrained by our bullshit corporatist state as the Chinese are by their bullshit corporatist state. The only difference is that you are showered with a moronic brain-junk-food commercial pop-culture that has evidently convinced you completely that you are free and can express yourself freely and without limit.

You're not. You are just as enslaved, censored, exploited, and brainwashed as they are. Beware, it is vastly worse than you imagine.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Funny)

osu-neko (2604) | about 4 years ago | (#32930062)

Wake up, pal. You are nowhere near as free as you think you are. Your life is as constrained by our bullshit corporatist state as the Chinese are by their bullshit corporatist state. The only difference is that you are showered with a moronic brain-junk-food commercial pop-culture that has evidently convinced you completely that you are free and can express yourself freely and without limit.

Yes, and thank you for demonstrating above that he is right.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1, Flamebait)

ArcherB (796902) | about 4 years ago | (#32930208)

Wake up, pal. You are nowhere near as free as you think you are. Your life is as constrained by our bullshit corporatist state as the Chinese are by their bullshit corporatist state. The only difference is that you are showered with a moronic brain-junk-food commercial pop-culture that has evidently convinced you completely that you are free and can express yourself freely and without limit.

You're not. You are just as enslaved, censored, exploited, and brainwashed as they are. Beware, it is vastly worse than you imagine.

So have the authorities shown up to send you to "reeducation camp"?

No? Then STFU.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930050)

Yeah that's right! Fuck you and fuck your mother too...

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

starfliz (922954) | about 4 years ago | (#32930164)

who the hell cares? Are you saying losing half our rights will be ok because china is worse? what kind of illogical argument is that? how is this 'insightful'? haha absurdity is the norm I guess.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (4, Insightful)

johnhp (1807490) | about 4 years ago | (#32929470)

Bah, that's such bullshit.

China is *bad*. The U.S. is *bad*. But to say that the U.S. is "just as bad" is ridiculous and obviously false. Do even the most casual of checks about free speech rights in the US versus China, and you'll see how silly your statement is.

For all of its many faults, the U.S. has generally outstanding freedom of speech. You can say all kinds of things here that would float anywhere else in the world. Just look at how Holocaust denial is treated in Europe. Or imagine how long someone like Alex Jones could operate in China, railing against the Chinese and thousands of real or imagines murderous conspiracies.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929602)

take it easy on the solvent huffer, the subtle part of the brain is the first to melt.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (-1, Flamebait)

Peach Rings (1782482) | about 4 years ago | (#32929696)

that would float anywhere else

Little slipups like this that betray your middle school education make it impossible for anyone to support you in reply comments btw.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0, Troll)

johnhp (1807490) | about 4 years ago | (#32929834)

It was a typo. It happens. Btw, condescending remarks like yours make it impossible for anyone to love you, both physically and emotionally. I'll live with my occasional typos. You'll live with everyone hating you because you're a virgin prick.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929976)

that would float anywhere else

Little slipups like this that betray your middle school education make it impossible for anyone to support you in reply comments btw.

This is Slashdot. When was the last time someone supported the immediate parent in the comments? The only sorts of replies you're supposed to be posting here are condescending, smug criticisms of the parent's message. Or, if you're really desperate, don't have a leg to stand on, and yet still need some way to stroke your own ego to criticize the parent, an offhand comment implying that a typo utterly destroys any validity the poster had will do. Sort of like what you did.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Insightful)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 4 years ago | (#32930044)

You should attack the substance, not the person nor their background, especially when both are mere assumptions. Further, if the content is something you would support, and you don't because of who the person is rather than what they say, what kind of bigot does that make you?

that's a good little lapdog (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929734)

you fucking dick eat nigger

the US government hates free speech more than China, idiot

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (5, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32929846)

In the US, you are free to criticize the US president publicly. In China, you are also free to criticize the US president publicly. See, they have an equal amount of free speech!

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930226)

Sounds like the standard argument for denying gay marriage. "Everyone can marry someone of the opposite sex." How come that never gets modded funny?

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | about 4 years ago | (#32929970)

It's the concept that's the problem, not the quantity. Even if there's suppression of free speech of just 1 out of 300 million, that's a problem.

New York Times reporters are being thrown in jail for stories that they report. Things are getting exceptionally bad in the U.S. No we don't have free speech.

yeaaah (4, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | about 4 years ago | (#32929974)

in china government orders your site down, because they dont like it.

in usa private people and companies order your site down, because they dont like it. they just need to use an excuse for invoking dmca.

the only difference is, there is a storefront in usa, and people think they are 'free'.

Re:yeaaah (5, Insightful)

johnhp (1807490) | about 4 years ago | (#32930082)

In China, if you say the wrong things, you can be arrested and then executed. That simply does not happen in the US. There IS a definite difference.

Don't take me for some cheerleader of the US. I'm horrified by other abuses, like warrantless wiretaps and rendition... but that has nothing to do with a real China vs. US rights comparison.

Re:yeaaah (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 4 years ago | (#32930186)

yeah. so whats the end result ?

in one, your life ends, in the other, you live under a system in which you are not allowed to speak, while being supposedly free. in one, everything is straight, it is repression, in the other, there is the freedom of illusion.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930028)

outstanding freedom of speech? Only for those that agree with the government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Love_This_Planet

Submit to Uncle Sam or go to jail. (1)

elucido (870205) | about 4 years ago | (#32930114)

Just like in China, if you don't submit to the government you shall be punished.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (3, Informative)

rotide (1015173) | about 4 years ago | (#32929484)

Just putting this out there, but helping prop up failing businesses is not, at least in my opinion, as bad as oppressing your population's "right" to have access to otherwise publicly available information.

I see where you are trying to equate the two, but they really are in two different leagues.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929500)

Who said US doesn't pull stunts like China? I think I've heard so many times on slashdot.

Idunno. For starters, in China, this guy would stand a good chance of being disappeared or shot.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#32929564)

GITMO, that name ring any bells for you?

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (5, Insightful)

rotide (1015173) | about 4 years ago | (#32929672)

Labeling people as enemy combatants and detaining them without trial sucks and is deplorable. I'd be at a total loss for what to do if I, or someone I cared for, was in that situation. But comparing what happens to a relatively small group of people (GITMO detainees) and what happens to the entire population of China (freedom of speech/access to information) are again, in two totally different leagues. I'm not in any way suggesting I support, let alone tolerate GITMO, but we're talking apples and oranges.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1, Insightful)

SquarePixel (1851068) | about 4 years ago | (#32929766)

But comparing what happens to a relatively small group of people

You actually said it there. In China bad things only happen to really small group of people. Just like you seem to indicate about US.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | about 4 years ago | (#32930008)

Labeling people as enemy combatants and detaining them without trial sucks and is deplorable. I'd be at a total loss for what to do if I, or someone I cared for, was in that situation. But comparing what happens to a relatively small group of people (GITMO detainees) and what happens to the entire population of China (freedom of speech/access to information) are again, in two totally different leagues. I'm not in any way suggesting I support, let alone tolerate GITMO, but we're talking apples and oranges.

The point is we are doing the very things we say we are against when other nations do them.

If terrorists can drive the US government to abandon its principles and find clever ways to justify it, then that's a victory for those terrorists. It's a real shame, for they do not deserve any victory of any sort.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930232)

Yeah just because a country conducts genocide on a single race of people. That is nothing we should hold against them. I mean its deplorable but much better than if the country conducted genocide on ALL of its people. Apples and Oranges.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0, Troll)

demonlapin (527802) | about 4 years ago | (#32929754)

I'm not aware of any US citizens who are, or were, detained in the camps at Guantanamo Bay. Are you? It would be quite an impressive story.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32929906)

Why detain them all the way down there, when you can prosecute them in the states and still get a 99% conviction rate for anything even remotely linked to terrorism and get obscene amounts of jail time [justice.gov] .

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | about 4 years ago | (#32930136)

When the RIAA or MPAA is directly involved with putting people in GITMO, you'll have a point.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929718)

You are right. The federal government doesn't have that right.

In America, "disappearing" and "shot while resisting/fleeing arrest" are reserved for the local authorities.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32929826)

The US imprisons more people for non-violent crimes than China. Who is the biggest dick now?

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | about 4 years ago | (#32930040)

Who is the biggest dick now?

I think you knew the answer [southparkstudios.com] before you said that... (you american have a soo-big penish)

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930116)

Isn't that because minor crimes also can get you shot in China?

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Interesting)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32930222)

No, they get sent to labor camps ( *cough* re-education camps ), which they have been thinking about shutting down [vancouversun.com] . China is rapidly modernizing its justice system, so while they are attempting to practice a bit more parsimony when it comes to crimes the US in all but a few states has seen its prison population double or triple in the past few decades.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | about 4 years ago | (#32930144)

Who is the biggest dick now?

Proof that given enough time and participants, all internet discussions eventually devolve into a dick-measuring contest.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (2, Informative)

bigspring (1791856) | about 4 years ago | (#32929534)

There's a big difference between them sometimes requesting sites be taken down and trying to strictly control the flow of all information to their populace. Putting the US government's infractions against its people on the same level as China's is just plain incorrect.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930056)

The US isn't far from this. The US has a growing, power-hungry government that is apathetic to the wants of it's producers. I say producers because currently Democrats are in power in the US and they enjoy playing the role of Robin Hood -- which entails taking from those who produce and giving to those who don't. It makes sense for them as there are more poor people who much prefer a hand-out to a job, and garnering the 'poverty vote' keeps the people who want to be in power, in power. Poor people are consumers... they don't start businesses, they don't invest and they don't create jobs. They buy lottery tickets, cigs, cable TV, and tabloid magazines.

Here-in lies a huge failure. The last person that should be in power, is the one who wants to.

Re:The fact is, US is just as bad as China (5, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | about 4 years ago | (#32929570)

I'll grant that the US does bad things, but when you say things like "just as bad" as China you're basically saying "I am viewing the world in an over-stark black-and-white manner and am thoroughly incapable of understanding nuance, and willfully oblivious to any differing *degrees* of badness".

The Fact Is You're Out of Your Mind (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 4 years ago | (#32929594)

Twist it how you want to, but the fact remains that both countries act like assholes and US is in the same level.

Oh my. There differences are many. For starters, the quantity blocked in China [wikipedia.org] versus what could be considered blocked in the United States [wikipedia.org] . In the United States, this sort of thing happens in isolated cases for criminal reasons and the end result is that the website might be vindicated. Point me to one case in China that ended up where the government was wrong. I'm waiting. At least YouTube was vindicated by the government [slashdot.org] against Viacom. There's some semblance of justice in the United States with regards to blocking websites. In China, it's a bizarre "unharmonious" label or anti-PRC speech that gets you blocked (and oftentimes worse than that).

I could not disagree more with your analogy.

I'm guessing users were trading child porn or the owner wasn't handling his taxes correctly. His user name in the forums is a marketing site between the US and Canada [affiliateplex.com] . I'm guessing he could have been pulling down big ad money and not reporting it correctly between the two countries. Hosting websites is a business and businesses always get into trouble. When there's money involved, there's lawyers. And with lawyers come lawsuits and with lawsuits come temporary injunctions.

It's a culture thing (5, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | about 4 years ago | (#32929764)

What you have to understand about China is that their government is an expression of their religious philosophies. They believe that social order is a moral expression, and something worth dying for:

In Confucianism, human beings are teachable, improvable and perfectible through personal and communal endeavour especially including self-cultivation and self-creation. A main idea of Confucianism is the cultivation of virtue and the development of moral perfection. Confucianism holds that one should give up one's life, if necessary, either passively or actively, for the sake of upholding the cardinal moral values of ren and yi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism [wikipedia.org]

In America, we have a culture that values liberty, which has become quite distorted in modern times. We've also retained some very puritan ideas, which is why nipples are somehow more offensive than gun violence. More recently, our only main moral metric has become profit.

This instance illustrates the point perfectly. Mose Chinese, if begrudgingly, accept the government's right to censor their speech so that the social order is maintained. Most Americans accept the government's right to censor free speech in the interest of profit.

So, if you want to stop the march to DRM and the loss of basic rights in the face of corporate rights to profit, you're going to have to convince fellow Americans that profit isn't the only thing that matters. Good luck with that.

Re:It's a culture thing (1)

cherokee158 (701472) | about 4 years ago | (#32929888)

I have yet to figure out how to use mod points, or even if I have any...but if I did, I would mod this up. Well-spoken.

Submit or go to jail. (1)

elucido (870205) | about 4 years ago | (#32930140)

You can blame it on culture. You can blame it on trends. It's really as simple as the people who have the power will do anything to keep the power. They will make as many laws as they have to, they will trample as many civil liberties as they have to, because they function as a mafia.

You are either with them or against them. Submit or go to jail.

Re:It's a culture thing (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | about 4 years ago | (#32930202)

This is probably the most lucid thing that is going to get written on this topic. We should just censor everything else from this point forward.

What are you gonna do about it? (1)

elucido (870205) | about 4 years ago | (#32930094)

Nothing. You will do nothing about it because you can't do anything about it.

Submit to Uncle Sam or go to jail.

National Security? (2, Funny)

wiggles (30088) | about 4 years ago | (#32929414)

The only reason I can think of for this kind of government censorship is if there is some national security related issue with the blogs on this site. I wonder if it's related to those Russian spies they caught recently? A terrorist plot? I'm sure we'll find out soon enough....

Re:National Security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929578)

The only reason I can think of for this....

Try harder..

Re:National Security? (3, Insightful)

wiggles (30088) | about 4 years ago | (#32929682)

How about you try harder?

Whenever you hear about this kind of thing happening due to a piracy sting, the government brags about how they made the world safe from pirates. They're all too eager to pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

The secrecy surrounding this takedown makes me think this is something much more than a piracy crackdown.

Re:National Security? (1)

MrShaggy (683273) | about 4 years ago | (#32929666)

I would tend to think so.

Since those pesky Reds were hosting 'AllofMp3.com'

So I am sure that these "bloggers' were simply mentioning that fact. Ere-go the U.S. had to use Operation "Mop and Glo"to get rid of any mention of the website.

Re:National Security? (1, Funny)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 4 years ago | (#32930142)

Ere-go

This is a classic example of trying to write something you've heard spoken, but never seen written. Which, by the by, you're supposed to avoid.

Incidently, you were looking for "ergo".

Re:National Security? (3, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | about 4 years ago | (#32929670)

They probably seized some equipment as evidence in an investigation and the numbers are just grossly over-inflated for sensationalist reasons. Seizing a couple of servers that have 10,000 customers each isn't the same thing as "ordering the sites off-line" -- it's seizing the hardware in order to protect chain of evidence and integrity of the data seized. It's still kind of a dick move, but I'm not really going to take the bitching of people who seem to be perfectly willing to watch movies but don't want to pay for them.

Power, Profits, Control, Submit or Jail. (1)

elucido (870205) | about 4 years ago | (#32930182)

They who want the power, the profits, the control over all information and intellectual property, will do anything to get it. It's a war for information control. It's a war you as a civilian cannot win. It does not matter if you are a civilian artist (you'll get pimped by the system), it does not matter if you are a civilian consumer (you'll be forced into submission or jail.)

The rules to this game are simple. Submit or jail.

Re:National Security? (2, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 4 years ago | (#32930210)

The only reason I can think of for this kind of government censorship is if there is some national security related issue with the blogs on this site.

You know what? No. To hell with "National Security". If that card was being pulled appropriately then it might be justified, but these days, the powers that be have decided that they can pull "National Security" out when they do ANYTHING and get a free pass. We can lie, cheat, steal, and piss on the Constitution so long as it's a matter of "National Security"!

Like the boy who cried "wolf!", and I don't care if the wolf really is chewing on National Security's nuts right now. The excuse is falling on deaf ears at this point.

In other news, (0, Redundant)

skelterjohn (1389343) | about 4 years ago | (#32929418)

Government shuts down one private website.

This is just the beginning. (5, Interesting)

the roAm (827323) | about 4 years ago | (#32929444)

Mark my words. This is only the beginning of high-profile shutdowns.
The nest has been stirred and the wasps are now out in full force.
There is, however, a light at the end of the tunnel.
You cannot get by with stuff like this without angering a lot of people.
Enough angry constituents and things will start to change.

Lets just hope for the best as that's all we can really do.

get by with stuff like this without angering a lot (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929556)

Endless nation building and the war on drugs continues.

What makes you think a few pirate takedowns are going to stir the wasps?

Re:get by with stuff like this without angering a (2)

the roAm (827323) | about 4 years ago | (#32929606)

You seem to not understand that we're the ants and the powers that be are the wasps.

Re:This is just the beginning. (4, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 4 years ago | (#32929584)

"A government source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, suggested that the websites in question may have had links to child porn, utility hacking guides, and terrorist activity. They could not say exactly due to the ongoing investigation."

Re:This is just the beginning. (5, Insightful)

electron sponge (1758814) | about 4 years ago | (#32929686)

They forgot "weapons of mass destruction" and "baby-cooking recipes".

Re:This is just the beginning. (4, Funny)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 4 years ago | (#32930032)

MMMMMMmmmmmmm, baby... The other, other white meat.

Re:This is just the beginning. (1)

tsalmark (1265778) | about 4 years ago | (#32930058)

It was the cooked baby receipts that really got them.

Re:This is just the beginning. (1)

pnewhook (788591) | about 4 years ago | (#32929586)

Is this really any different than the police closing down a pawn shop for fencing stolen goods? A business owner has the responsibility to ensure that the people he deals with are legit. If not then he gets shut down.

Re:This is just the beginning. (1)

the roAm (827323) | about 4 years ago | (#32929690)

There is a big difference. A fencing operation being held from a pawn shop is wholeheartedly illegal as it implies full cooperation of the shop owner with the actual criminals while in this case the site admins always responded to law enforcement in a timely fashion in order to shut down illegal blogs.

Re:This is just the beginning. (1)

pnewhook (788591) | about 4 years ago | (#32930072)

Yes and I'm sure the pawn shop owner would always cooperate with the police too, but when they are gone he continue to accept the money, no questions asked.

Re:This is just the beginning. (4, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32929768)

No, it is more like shutting down an entire city because a pawn shop is selling stolen goods.

Re:This is just the beginning. (4, Insightful)

pnewhook (788591) | about 4 years ago | (#32929918)

If the pawn shop was allowing the sale of stolen merchandise it doesn't mean every customer was a felon. But if the police shut down the site due to repeated violations, legitimate customers would also not be allowed to go there. Exactly the same with this website service.

Re:This is just the beginning. (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | about 4 years ago | (#32929700)

Enough angry constituents and things will start to change.

No. From what I see, all the sites were allegedly related to copyright infringement.

Your typical constituent won't give a shit. They will be told that the sites engaged in illegal activity and as far as they're concerned, law enforcement is always right, honest, and fights for Truth, Justice and the American way.

You sir or madam, have way too much faith in The People.

Now, if Rush, Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly were to get all pissed, then you'll see people in the streets saying "Save those sites, lower our taxes, stop Obama from spending and stop killing babies!"

Yes, I'm extremely cynical. The other day, I talked to a woman who was terrified that all her money was going to be worthless because the US dollar was going to collapse! She heard from "reliable" people who know!

Guess who those people in the "know" were. She also wanted to put her life savings into gold because of someone who's advertising some sort of gold company.

Re:This is just the beginning. (0, Flamebait)

the roAm (827323) | about 4 years ago | (#32929756)

"The People"
Look ladies and gentlemen, a libertarian.

Re:This is just the beginning. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929878)

Lets start with the title. "US Govt orders 73,000 private websites offline". TFS corrects this to ONE website that happens to be a free blog host. If we care to move on to the summary (and after that, I'm not sure it's worth it) we see that the "copyright violation" theory is just speculation based on the fact that they'd had copyright complaints before. If the US Government was in the habit of shutting down sites based on copyright complaints, there would be a hell of a lot more then one host going down. We have to move to TFA this time to find out that a perhaps more relevant set of complaints is child pornography.

Even if you disagree with shutting down the entire blog host over that, "major blog host shut down over possible child pornography connections" is a *completely* different story then "73,000 private websites shut down over copyright complaints".

Re:This is just the beginning. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930002)

hoping does nothing, act

This is just pathetic. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930012)

Lets just hope for the best as that's all we can really do.

That's the American, can-do, revolutionary spirit of our founding fathers! In fact, I think that's written somewhere in the Declaration of Independence. "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, just hope for the best, as that's all we can really do."

Have a revolution or don't. Don't pretend there's nothing you can do.

Submit or Jail is the new game. (1)

elucido (870205) | about 4 years ago | (#32930252)

If you are a civilian, you have one of two options. You can either submit, or you can go to jail. That is the game. The owners who made the rules designed it so that you only have two options. It does not matter whether or not you are an information producer or information consumer, if you are a producer you have to submit to being pimped and treated like their property. You are going to be forced to whore yourself out to the highest bidder. If you are a consumer you'll have to submit to some of the most draconian anti consumer laws on the planet.

Just like in the 60s, those who don't submit will go up against Cointel Pro. You want to start a militia? You want to rebel? Not going to be an option. The only option is to submit or go to jail. Choose your option wisely because they can always change the game later to submit or die.

"History of Abuse" (1)

daveatneowindotnet (1309197) | about 4 years ago | (#32929448)

Like the history now being created of seizing private property without due process that may or may not actually reside outside of American sovereignty?

What about this website called youtube.com? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929452)

youtube.com has thousands of videos with infringing content. They must get slammed with DMCA claims.

Sieg Heil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929478)

<in best German voice>
Seize Heil! Seize There! Seize Everywhere!

I'm nervously waiting... (1)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32929504)

One day, maybe soon, the US or some other country that likes to project its policies with force will kill someone in a data center during one of these raids or will bomb a data center in a foreign country.

Re:I'm nervously waiting... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 4 years ago | (#32929916)

bomb a data center in a foreign country

The U.S. government has been doing similar stuff [wikipedia.org] to controversial TV and radio broadcasters for a while now. The internet is just a logical extension.

Re:I'm nervously waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929938)

fucking genius dude, seriously. This would make a great plot.

Sounds familiar... (1)

ceraphis (1611217) | about 4 years ago | (#32929508)

Does this have anything to do with the filesharing websites they were messing with recently?

was there a court order? (3, Insightful)

a2wflc (705508) | about 4 years ago | (#32929604)

Or can I post copyrighted material to a political site I disagree with and give some gov't agency an excuse to take it down without a court order? I'm sure they'll admit they were wrong after 11/2 and let the site back up.

This looks like a different scenario with multiple violations by the site owner, but it's a bad precedent if there is not a public court order listing the violations. There are ways to get a court order very quick with little evidence for a "critical mater" that they claim this is.

Re:was there a court order? (3, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#32929796)

Please post objectionable material to slashdot and get it taken down... I'm losing far too much productivity at work from reading and posting on this site!

Re:was there a court order? (4, Insightful)

Rand Race (110288) | about 4 years ago | (#32930018)

Yea. The 1st Amendment violations here pale in comparison to the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment violations. No warrant? Check. Deprived of property without due process? Check. Specifically NOT informed of the accusations levied against them? Check.

Hell, they just need to quarter some troops in this guy's house and they'll have shitcanned half the Bill Of Rights in one case.

Re:was there a court order? (-1, Troll)

linzeal (197905) | about 4 years ago | (#32930086)

Civil Rights are for commies and queers.

Please support universal health care and gay marriage.

I guess this is what Obama meant (1)

EasyComputer (797633) | about 4 years ago | (#32929620)

He said the interconnected nature [of the Internet and other computer networks] makes it very difficult to regulate and secure. "Most of the progress they can point to is in the government sector," whereas the majority of the critical infrastructure seen as vulnerable is in private hands.

This is great now they have control over the "majority of the critical infrastructure". I was getting worried they didn't have enough control, I mean I don't want planes dropping out of the sky or anything, so this is good for everyone!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/14/obama-to-drop-in-at-cybersecurity-review/ [washingtontimes.com]

Freedom (2, Insightful)

Voulnet (1630793) | about 4 years ago | (#32929684)

Where is your Freedom of Speech when you need it? Or is the American Freedom of Speech subject to the approvals of big corporations?
Not any different than freedom of speech that is subject to approval of governments.

Re:Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929810)

Well, he IS free to talk about it.

Just not on the venue which got seized.

For reasons we don't know, but if we had an interest in the property, then we could inquire through the courts about it.

whole story (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929706)

It sure sounds like we're getting the whole story here, yes sir.

yaay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32929774)

Once the Internet kill switch is in place, the government will be able to take out the entire Internet at once without having to go after sites piecemeal like this. I wonder who will be the first President to kill the Internet in an election year to keep their opponents from organizing and getting their message out.

I would like to help, but why kid myself (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 4 years ago | (#32929804)

I hate to sound pessimistic, but what good is a letter to my Congressman when some media conglomerate can afford to pay lobbyists to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars into his reelection campaign? I can't even afford to buy him Springsteen tickets [propublica.org] .

Re:I would like to help, but why kid myself (1)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | about 4 years ago | (#32930126)

Dude, the Founding Fathers fought against the British and had NO CHANCE...YET THEY WON. They certainly didn't have your attitude.

Re:I would like to help, but why kid myself (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 4 years ago | (#32930184)

Actually, they had an excellent chance. They had a larger standing army already in place, established supply lines, strong native support, and an established local political structure.

Too Slow, Slashdot (5, Informative)

Revotron (1115029) | about 4 years ago | (#32929904)

This happened about a week ago. The owner of the single server (that's right, it was all on one single server, with no backups) posted to WebHostingTalk.com to complain because BurstNet wouldn't violate the government's order to keep quiet.

The authorities ordered BurstNet to take the server offline for what appeared to be very, very serious violations. Based on BurstNet's demeanor and seriousness when asked about the issue, it could be anything from national security to child porn. BurstNet also appears to have been hit with a gag order, as they've only made one (perhaps two) public comments on the situation, and absolutely refuse to make any more announcements.

Don't take my word for it - read up on the situation at the original WHT thread [webhostingtalk.com] (which is now closed).

Re:Too Slow, Slashdot (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#32930220)

"apparently very serious"? come on, we all know how hosting companies piss on their pants the moment the fbi knocks the door. they oftne do WHATEVER they're told to do without a warrant. So it could be practically anything. Regardless, the poor guy isn't going to see his server in years. If he wants to know what's going on he should have said he has backups and is going to put the site back online momentarily, then the authorities would have probably tried to contact him.

Unlikely it's simple link-to-copyright-infringment (1)

tobiah (308208) | about 4 years ago | (#32930010)

DMCA already provides a clear path to dealing with infringing material, and there's no good reason to keep an anti-piracy action secret. That's the sort of thing authorities and overlords like to advertise. I bet we'll hear all about the terrorist blog network the quick-thinking government agents shut down once the dust settles.

Fascism is coming (3, Interesting)

AthleteMusicianNerd (1633805) | about 4 years ago | (#32930104)

This didn't start with Obama either. This is ingrained in our society, and accepted by many in the name of national security. That's a very grave mistake. Books like "The Federal Mafia" have been banned, and New York Times reporters have been silenced by being thrown in jail. It is very troubling that this trend continues, and everyone should be protesting it.

Unless content was illegal per se this is wrong (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 4 years ago | (#32930158)

Are we talking about information-material that is illegal to posses per se such as child pornography or material which is not illegal for the average American to possess at all?

If the former then I can see why this is an extraordinary case but I can't see why the people responsible haven't been arrested already.

If the latter then it's extraordinarily stupid and un-American to use law enforcement in such a heavy-handed, hush-hush manner.

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