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Wine 1.2 Released

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the pop-the-cork dept.

Wine 427

David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."

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Hmmmm. (5, Funny)

click2005 (921437) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932546)

DirectX 10 is getting better.

I wish someone would port Wine to WindowsXP.

Re:Hmmmm. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932630)

Since this is /., i wish you would pirate a newer version of windows instead of whining about one that's ancient.

Re:Hmmmm. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933222)

I sat down in front of a computer running Windows 7 for the first time today. I was...I guess you could say I was impressed. Impressed at how absolutely awful it was! Never mind the "it's new, where the fuck are the menus, buttons, and shit I've been using for 15 years," or that the windows theme is so ugly only a blind mother could love it. It's simply unusable: piece of shit crashed--as in reboot the fucker--twice. Now windows apologists like to blame 3rd party aps, and there certainly is plenty of blame to spread there. However the two crashes were 100% Microsoft: a crash caused by me attempting to close a folder window (click. WTF? click. Um, click pause...WTF? Ctrl+Alt+Del CRASH! Power button and fuck you) and the POS photo edit package that can't identify .jpg files, but can lock the fucking computer. This is what I expect from Microsoft, as does everybody who's computer literate: the initial release is an alpha, service pack 1 is a beta, and service pack 2 is the product that should have been released. It's been that way since Win98 (Win95 on the other hand was a godsend: pirated alpha tests were preferred over Win 3.11). Windows 7 won't be ready for use for another two years. So why the fuck shouldn't everyone use the best available Windows: XP.

Re:Hmmmm. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933310)

Die in a fire! You tea-smoking cockbagger!

Re:Hmmmm. (2, Informative)

segin (883667) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933332)

Windows XP is still the best version of Windows to date.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933352)

Why do you think that?

Re:Hmmmm. (5, Informative)

Batty0ne (1809606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932710)

It's happening. You can actually somewhat use wine on windows. http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows [winehq.org]

Re:Hmmmm. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932968)

No you don't nothing works on WINE,not even in Linux. Was trying to use it for years. It's just getting worst to be honest.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933340)

I suspect this is more of a user error than anything.
I've been using Linux exclusively for the better part of a decade and have been able to run most anything I throw at Wine on a decent enough system.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

CaPn Corelian (575148) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933058)

But DirectX 10 on Windows XP is impossible!, MS said so.

Re:Hmmmm. (1)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933144)

There are already packages that enable Wine's D3D implementation in Windows. VirtualBox, for instance, bundles this with their guest additions. They call it WineD3D on Windows, I believe. You can do a quick google search and you'll find them. That's one of the things you really want to get in Windows with Wine. There are others, of course, but DX10 (enhanced DX7, for instance), are what users usually request.

So, basically, your wish is being granted.

Wow, I'm the first! (-1, Offtopic)

home-electro.com (1284676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932550)

Subj

Wine wine wine. (0, Offtopic)

Kepesk (1093871) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932556)

Awesome! I think I'm going to go install Wine. So that I can run software to organize my collection of wine. While I'm drinking wine. Who's with me?

Re:Wine wine wine. (0)

AnonGCB (1398517) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932584)

Your spam on every post is getting rather annoying.

Re:Wine wine wine. (1, Funny)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932618)

Oh quit w(h)ining already.

Every windows application (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932576)

except the 1 I usually want to run

I keep fooling myself into thinking that software X is going to run on wine, then I usually end up wasting a lot of time trying to get it to run while borking every other program that it used to run

Re:Every windows application (3, Informative)

KDEnut (1673932) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932608)

That's what wineprefix is for.

Well, that and copious amounts of prayer.

Re:Every windows application (4, Insightful)

Lennie (16154) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932634)

I think Wine needs a usability team. Some kind of gui/tooling to make things easier for newbies to Wine.

Re:Every windows application (5, Funny)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932688)

Yeah! Something with a GUI front end, and separate windows for each program... and a start menu. Oh, wait.

Re:Every windows application (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933138)

Yeah!

Something with a GUI front end, and separate windows for each program... and a start menu.

Oh, wait.

That already exists, it's called ReactOS.

Re:Every windows application (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932730)

buy crossover. That is why they sell it.

Re:Every windows application (2, Informative)

morcego (260031) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932748)

I think Wine needs a usability team. Some kind of gui/tooling to make things easier for newbies to Wine.

That is exactly why Codeweavers [codeweavers.com] makes money. And it is not even that expensive ...

Re:Every windows application (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932818)

Look, as a middle-aged Linux user, my mother only gives me so much of an allowance each week. So either I can choose to eat Cheetos and drink Mountain Dew this week, or I can choose to buy CrossOver. I can't do both, dammit!

Re:Every windows application (2, Funny)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932812)

Right, along with a native windows manager. Perhaps some kind of "task-bar" where we can see those windows and what they are doing. Of course we'll need a "task-manager" to control them. We'll also need some way to explore all those files, perhaps a "explorer." I'd also like a built in browser, or some way to "explore" the "internet." When we're done we should change the name of the project to reflect its new capabilities. How about a new acronym:

W ine
I is
N not a
D dumb
O open-source
W windows
S simulator

Yes! That's the ticket! Now lets charge $199 a copy and get rich!

Re:Every windows application (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932882)

Since winemenubuilder runs automatically now and mess with host OS files associations (wanna Wine's own notepad.exe to open txt files? No? Why??) I'd say usability team was hanged, shot, beheaded, and finally burned long ago.

Re:Every windows application (2, Interesting)

eapache (1239018) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932942)

<quote><p>I think Wine needs a usability team. Some kind of gui/tooling to make things easier for newbies to Wine.</p></quote>

The vineyard project is working on that, I believe: http://vineyardproject.org/

Re:Every windows application (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933002)

PlayOnLinux makes a decent effort, but I don't think it helps WINE development much. It's basically a simple way to run predefined installation scripts that install into separate prefixes with different wine versions and custom settings. If you want to file any bugs, use vanilla wine. CodeWeavers sells a version that does pretty much the same thing and there your money mostly goes into making wine better. On the one side I like the POL approach as you don't get the %&%/%"#% regressions, the downside is of course that with less testing the regressions are unlikely to be fixed. But wine tends to have a bit too many regressions IMO...

Play On Linux (Re:Every windows application) (2, Informative)

dopeghost (107650) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933254)

Just the other day i discovered Play On Linux [playonlinux.com] which fits this need.

While games are a primary feature it includes support for many of the common apps as well.

In addition to apps with built in support you can find scripts in their forum for recent versions of Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and the like

.

Re:Every windows application (4, Insightful)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933376)

You want Crossover.

(Buying Crossover funds Wine, by the way - half the Wine devs work for Codeweavers.)

Games? (1)

ceraphis (1611217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932616)

Has this really gotten that much better for games since about a year ago when I last checked it? Back then it seemed like only the major stuff worked like counter strike, WoW and maybe every other source game was at least passable. I don't even know if TF2 worked that well when I checked it out.

Re:Games? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932654)

Has this really gotten that much better for games since about a year ago when I last checked it? Back then it seemed like only the major stuff worked like counter strike, WoW and maybe every other source game was at least passable. I don't even know if TF2 worked that well when I checked it out.

WoW is not a "source game" you nigger. If it is, give me the source code for it or STFU.

Re:Games? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932676)

Source as in the source engine, you flaming dumbfuck trash.

Re:Games? (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932758)

But he is still right. WoW doesn't use the Source Engine.

Re:Games? (2, Informative)

KDEnut (1673932) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932736)

The answer is: Yes. I raid 25/10's under wine with no problem. Most games I've tried work just fine.

Heck, even ~80% of the steam games I've tried have worked without any tweaking needed.

Re:Games? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932894)

>>>I raid 25/10's under wine with no problem

Think WINE 1.2 will run Netscape ISP's Dialup program or Web Accelerator? Last time I tried Wine crashed on both of these these programs. It also didn't run any Internet Explorer more advanced than IE6.

Anticipated question:
"You're still on dialup?"

Yes because I can't afford Cricket's $40/month bill you insensitive clod! /end meme. And also because I can't take my DSL with me when traveling. Plus it makes for a nice backup when the DSL fails.

Re:Games? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932994)

You're still on dial-up?

Re:Games? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933272)

Tether to your cell phone.

Re:Games? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933074)

A number of Touhou games work, and Starcraft works. What else do you need?

Re:Games? (1)

ceraphis (1611217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933314)

(I got modded flamebait? It was a legitimate question!)

All the good old classics and the most popular games worked, and I was thankful, but I just remember noticing that there were a good chunk of games i was interested in at the time that were labeled unplayable on wine hq.

I was devastated at the time that I couldn't switch fully to linux yet because I was even remotely interested in games. Dual booting many times ended with tears for me (due to windows usually) so I've just been running my linux stuff in a VM since then.

TFS says dx9 is well supported and I was wondering if I could take that to mean that almost all games now work if they run in DX9.

Mass Effect 2 (1)

RichMan (8097) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933128)

I'm running Mass Effect 2 quite well.
Ubuntu 9.10 + Nvidia drivers.

Get steam and download a demo for a game if you want to see if it works for you.

Re:Mass Effect 2 (1)

ceraphis (1611217) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933346)

thats....awesome! Exactly what I was hoping for, sounds like it really HAS changed from when I was using it.

Is it like this now for many of the more recent games or is it kinda spotty?

I used to use wine... (5, Interesting)

foxtyke (766988) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932624)

Long ago when I first switched to Linux I made the decision that I would not run a dual boot environment and would instead use Wine to run my apps I NEEDED from Windows on my Linux machine.

Fast forward six months from that switch, I removed the NEEDED applications because I found better ones (hello GnuCash) and haven't used a Windows application or required Wine since then, that was almost 3 or 4 years ago now when I fully switched my desktop to Linux.

Re:I used to use wine... (1)

Wh15per (1526101) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932670)

In Linux we trust, all others get VirtualBoxed/VMwared.

Re:I used to use wine... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932762)

I hada similar experience when I switched. At first, I told people I was "bi-curious". But after 6 months of nothing but cock and dude ass, I realized I had no interest in tits or pussy. I've been a gay penguin ever since.

Re:I used to use wine... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932880)

Gosh, you're SO L33T!

Why do you think the rest of us care?

Re:I used to use wine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933088)

This happened to me also. This seems to happen a lot.

It seems that wine's position in the open source world is to act as a stepping stone between the Windows and Open Source world.

Never Works Properly (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932648)

Apart from running pretty much any Windows application

Except the one you want to run requires about 5 hours of fucking around with Wine only to get about 70% of the functionality working and only 40% of the performance despite having being listed as GOLD PLATINUM UNOBTAINIUM in the wine-db. Hurray!

Re:Never Works Properly (1)

jijitus (1478465) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932802)

(sh)It happens frequently.
I tried rc5 with Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 (3 gold ratings) and it doesn't run past the splash screen even after installing all dependencies via winetricks

Re:Never Works Properly (3, Interesting)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932858)

The summary doesn't say it runs "pretty much any Windows application", it says it runs "pretty much any Windows application better than Wine 1.0".

Re:Never Works Properly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932950)

The quote was just an excuse to remain on topic and bitch about Wine. That thing has sucked away too many hours of my life.

Re:Never Works Properly (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933042)

I've never had problems with a program listed as "Platinum" on the newest version of wine. The problems I have are:

1. A lot of distros ship old versions of wine.
2. A lot of stuff is rated "bronze" (AKA: It might work if you're a wizard).

Re:Never Works Properly (5, Interesting)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933192)

I've used Wine for a long time. I've modified its source-code several times to make my apps run and I'm usually around the winehq.org forums.
I can say with a high degree of confidence that it runs most applications flawlessly. Of course, you need to remove many of the new .NET crap, which is ruining the industry for everyone. The only issues I found Wine to have were related to sound. Progressively, I fixed those and got the best out of my Wine installations. Heck, when I cross-compile, I always test my apps in Wine and verify that they are 1:1 with Windows. I constantly run different games in Wine and sometimes with better performance than my windows peers.

Occasionally, you'll have to bring out the nerd in you and do some hacking to get games to work. For instance, it was a long process for me to get Red Alert 3 to work online and via LAN. The forums helped me a lot. It was also difficult to get Age Of Empires III to run, but I did it.

I am only sorry that so many people end up bashing Wine. If they'd waste part of that time in contributing to the community, submitting patches, helping out in forums and irc, or simply stopping complaining, I think we'd be better.

Re:Never Works Properly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933358)

We can only comment on our experiences, and some of us have had poor ones. Not all of us are coders or have the time to learn a whole new source code base in order to patch whatever bug is being an issue. Me personally haven't gotten one single application working in WINE, either due to horrible performance or just crashing. I've opted for VMs now.

Any success stories with Wine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932660)

I really can't see any point in this anymore, it takes forever to get the configuration correct to run crud like notepad.exe. Major applications don't even get installers running, and they're only copy scripts.

With vmware player allowing the creation of virtual devices these day (for free), picking up a dirt cheap copy of doze for $10 seems like a no brainer. Maybe Wine is like the GIMP, it doesn't know it's dead. Hey, at least the developers have something to put on their CVs and maybe get some fun?

Re:Any success stories with Wine (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932728)

My copy of World of Warcraft (from Classic / Vanilla to WotLK) has never seen a Windows system thanks to Wine.

Re:Any success stories with Wine (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932872)

Windows for $10? Where?

Besides, if it runs, it's faster to run the app on Wine than on a VM. Personally, for the random app I might need to run, Wine has been flawless.

Besides, Wine is more than the binary: winelib is an important part, as it allows programmers to port Windows software more easily, if they didn't start the project with portability in mind.

Re:Any success stories with Wine (3, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933046)

AFAIK Wine and Cedega are still ahead of virtual machines in terms of graphics drivers and gaming. Wine is far from dead.

Re:Any success stories with Wine (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933112)

Yea, you could _maybe_ find a copy of Windows 98 for $10...which isn't a bad idea, but I find that the apps that will run on that are also the apps than run flawlessly on Wine. Or Dosbox. Unless it's a pirated copy, there's no way in hell you're getting WinXP, Vista, or 7 for $10. More like $100+. And if you're gonna go pirated, you might as well just go to TPB and get it free.

Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932718)

I've played around with wine for IE, but not had much luck, and my bank is IE only :(. Back to Windows...

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932822)

IE 7 and 8 are not usable, but that has nothing to do with Wine.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

Irick (1842362) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932830)

Spoof your user agent, not like they can actually tell what browser you are using beyond that.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933090)

But you still have to match the browser's DOM/JS bugs bug-for-bug.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933244)

IEtab extension for firefox under linux?

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933348)

IEtab doesn't implement IE on systems that don't have it, it just calls the IE libraries embedded in Windows in a more civilized browser.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (2, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932832)

my bank is IE only

Then it might be time to change banks.
I know I would if my bank forced me to use IE.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (2, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932836)

Google ies4linux...
It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie.
That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932844)

You know you can make any browser 'look' like IE to a website right? I know Firefox and Chrome can do it, and probably all linux based browsers too (don't know much about those myself)

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

knewter (62953) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932852)

Is your bank really IE only? Browser spoofing with an extension doesn't work?

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

surveyork (1505897) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932956)

Switch bank.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (2, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933010)

Obvious solution: Virtual box under linux will let you run whatever windows you want. Its graphic drivers are not good enough for most new 3D games (yet), but it certainly will let you do online banking...

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933050)

Are IE 7 or 8 useable?

No.

Oh, you meant when running under wine. Sorry, my mistake.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933240)

I have success with this [wine-reviews.net] method but YMMV. Or else run windows in a VM? If you only need it to run IE, you should have no worries whatsoever.

Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933290)

Change banks.
This means you can't even see that stuff on your smartphone.

Make the switch from Dual Booting (1)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932750)

I've been dual booting Windows and Linux ever since I first got into Linux because of various music applications that I needed for school (Finale, McGamut, etc.). To this day I still reboot to play League of Legends, my games on Steam, and talk to friends on Vent. I don't know about Steam, but with this new release I think I may try to get Vent and League of Legends running on my Slackware installation.

Re:Make the switch from Dual Booting (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932888)

Steam and source engine games are coming to linux (native, no wine required) "soon". I don't know if that means this year or later.

Re:Make the switch from Dual Booting (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932964)

You can use Mangler [mangler.org] , a native Linux vent client to talk to your friends on vent. And in the meantime you can convince them to use Mumble [slashdot.org]

Re:Make the switch from Dual Booting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932976)

You can run Vent through Wine 1.0. I do it all the time.

Re:Make the switch from Dual Booting (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933048)

No idea about Steam, but I used to use Vent for WoW on wine without too many problems. Took a while to configure it properly, but it was more a problem of configuring audio on Wine than configuring audio for Vent (i.e. audio wasn't working for any apps). The fact that I have several soundcards didn't help...

Re:Make the switch from Dual Booting (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933306)

Steam and source games run great in wine, I have been playing them that way for years. They are even officially supported if you pay for crossover.

Finally! (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932790)

I can play Solitare on linux!
Oh, wait....

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932862)

Now you just have to wait for some decent graphics drivers.

Used to rejoyce each available patch (-1, Flamebait)

romania (537909) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932834)

After 15 years on Linux single boot I said enough it's enough and I'm not getting any younger waiting for script kiddie promises. So this year I moved to WinXP and surprise! all apps work as expected. It's still cute to follow the RSS with the updates and read the changelogs.

people still use wine? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32932840)

i thought people were all about VM's now

Re:people still use wine? (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933164)

Things like Oblivion tend not to run inside a VM very well.

Re:people still use wine? (3, Insightful)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933230)

No. From what I've seen, Wine has acquired more and more users recently. You can clearly see that based on forum activity or even commit numbers.

Virtual Machines are slow, no matter what. They require a windows license and they suck when it comes to D3D and even OpenGL. Wine fixes that. It is POSIX-compatible, AFAIK, and it is an excellent study case. It helps people migrate to differet OS/es and it doesn't eat up half your RAM just to launch a crapload of services that come in your typical Windows installation. I've tried both things: VMs and Wine. Once I saw how faster Wine was, and how it never crashed my system, in contrast to the many BSODs I got with games in the VM (direct accelaration enabled), I never looked back.

Also, I like being able to quirk with Wine's code. If I don't like something in an app, I debug it and change Wine to have fun. I can't do that in a VM unless I recompile some core libs (or port Wine's to Windows), but that would be stupid.

StarCraft (1)

bziman (223162) | more than 4 years ago | (#32932958)

The only thing I use wine for is to play StarCraft, which it does really well. I don't know how good Wine 1.2 is, but call me when it supports StarCraft II.

Re:StarCraft (4, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933118)

I saw recently that a fix went in to make shadows work correctly in SC2. I guess that probably means it works ok.

Re:StarCraft (1)

RichMan (8097) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933172)

Both Starcraft II and WoW:Cataclysm are getting a through workout by the Blizzard beta testers. So you can expect they will continue to work fine.

A recent Wow patch even found a kernel bug. Bad handling of debug trap instruction.
 

Re:StarCraft (2, Informative)

Batty0ne (1809606) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933256)

I have Beta for SCII and it's working just fine for me. (Geforce GTX260, Core2 Quad Q8300, 8GB Ram, Feodora 13 x86_64, Wine 1.2.0) WoW:Cataclysm also works quite well.

And here come the paid Microsoft trolls (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933000)

Random MS Employee that actually keeps up with GNU/Linux stuff: "Wow, Wine 1.2 was released today."
Ballmer: "The fuck does that do?"
Employee: "Allows you to run Windows programs on GNU/Linux."
Ballmer: (throws chair): "WHAT? Did they steal our shit or something?"
Employee: "No, this is a clean reverse engineer of Windows."
Ballmer: (throws another chair) "Is that fucking legal?"
Employee: "There's not much we can do about it..."
Ballmer: "Okay, fuck. Well, at least go out and post FUD and outright lies about it on tech news sites so people will think it's horrible so they'll continue to buy and use our shitty, hacked-together, worthless OS. We'll pay you extra if you succeed in fooling a lot of people."
Employee: "We're on it!"

Re:And here come the paid Microsoft trolls (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933320)

Okay, fuck. Well, at least go out and post FUD and outright lies

You mean like you just did by making up this bullshit?

So um... (1)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933018)

Does Wine have higher compatibility with "mono" apps than mono? By "mono" I mean C#/.net application developed on Windows.

Re:So um... (2, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933134)

Wine doesn't do .NET at all, AFAIK

Re:So um... (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933322)

I haven't used Wine in years, but according to the wine listing, at least some versions of .NET are fully working.

That being said, while overall the "Microsoft" implementation is more complete (obviously...), the Mono version has many APIs and goodies missing from the "official" version (such as a vastly superior I/O library). In the cases where these libraries can work on the standard version of .NET, it is not uncommon for .NET developers to use them. But not all do.

The mono Reflection lib is another one. I actually wonder if it would work under Microsoft's .NET, because its -way- better than Microsoft's version.

1.2 already? (2, Interesting)

Windwraith (932426) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933066)

Wow, brings memories of the pre-1.0 phase. Do you remember when only the most basic apps would run in WINE and required a lot of tweaking? Nowadays I can run most apps but Game Maker (Like Hydorah, Spelunky, etc) based games. Even painting and music apps, or games like Touhou or other doujin arcade games work practically out of the box (mostly requiring directx 9 runtimes). I don't play much mainstream, but I have been satisfied with my indie/arcade gaming needs and WINE.
This is only going to get better with time, and I am kind of happy about it. Years ago I had to use virtualbox or use my laptop to run simplistic apps reliably, and it's not the case anymore (in my use case at least, you know, generalizing, anecdotal evidence, your mileage may vary, etc)

Quickbooks? Quicken? (1, Interesting)

bucketoftruth (583696) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933070)

I'm not even going to check the website. Pretty much everything worth running already works, except Quickbooks. That's the game killer for real desktop adoption. I completely understand why it's nearly impossible to make it happen, but It would sure be nice if Quickbooks completely worked.

Re:Quickbooks? Quicken? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933288)

Maybe if their software wasn't complete shit it wouldn't be a problem.
You have a better chance of running Norton under WINE than Quicken.

What about .net programs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#32933084)

So, we have mono (for better or worse), and we have wine. But we still can't run, say, Nikon's CaptureNX under Linux. Talk about chasing tail lights...

if that happens i'll have to file a bug report (1)

hirundo (221676) | more than 4 years ago | (#32933344)

So now I've got Wine running Cygwin which is running Wine which is running Cygwin, etc., down to 37 layers deep, after which it hangs. I've heard that if I get to 42 layers it will rip a hole in the space-time continuum and collapse the black hole that contains our universe. I'm guessing that would be a bad thing.

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