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Valve Releases Updated Alien Swarm For Free With Code Base

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the game-over-man-game-over dept.

PC Games (Games) 164

baronvoncarson tips news that today Valve released an updated version of Alien Swarm, a popular Unreal Tournament 2004 total conversion mod. The creators of the mod were hired by Valve, and they've helped turn it into a stand-alone game running on the Source engine. Valve is also releasing the code base for Alien Swarm and an SDK. The game is available for free on Steam.

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Free (-1, Redundant)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 3 years ago | (#32956976)

I don't really get how they can release UT engine games like that for free... don't they have to pay licensing fees to distribute the executable (like, not just a mod that requires UT2004)?

Tremulous uses 2k4 code too, and doesn't require UT2004, and it's free.

Re:Free (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957022)

If only the summary mentioned how they ported it to the source engine...

Re:Free (1)

Emetophobe (878584) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957042)

Valve hired the team that made the original UT2004 mod. Source [steampowered.com].

Alien Swarm is a game and Source SDK release from a group of talented designers at Valve who were hired from the Mod community.

Re:Free (1, Redundant)

kcbnac (854015) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957046)

From the summary: "The creators of the mod were hired by Valve, and they've helped turn it into a stand-alone game running on the Source engine."

They hired the team that made it for the Unreal engine, and had them re-create it with the Source (Half-Life 2 etc) engine.

Re:Free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957442)

From the summary: "The creators of the mod were hired by Valve, and they've helped turn it into a stand-alone game running on the Source engine."

They hired the team that made it for the Unreal engine, and had them re-create it with the Source (Half-Life 2 etc) engine.


So it's still running on UT2004, right? Man, I sure hope original mod-makers got paid for the work that Steam ripped off of them.

Re:Free (1)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957694)

...

You're kidding me, right? Surely your reading comprehension can't be THAT horrible.

The creators of the mod were hired by Valve, and they've helped turn it into a stand-alone game running on the Source engine.

First bolded text shows, that YES, they were paid, second bolded shows that it's running on Source, NOT the Unreal engine.

Re:Free (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957720)

The creators of the mod were hired by Valve

had them re-create it with the Source (Half-Life 2 etc) engine.

Are we having reading comprehension problems today? Valve hired them, of course they are getting paid. And they re-made it for the Source engine. While the UT2k4 version no doubt still exists this is not it.

Not reading TFA is one thing, not reading the fucking summary is another, but not reading the posts you are responding too is just too far.

Re:Free (3, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957802)

not reading the posts you are responding too is just too far.

Psh, I don't even read the posts I quote. Were you talking about puppies or something up there?

Re:Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958632)

Hat's off to you sir, that was truly epic.

Re:Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957054)

They don't have to pay a UT licensing fee because iIt's a Source Engine version that's being released.

Igore parent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957056)

They can't. They didn't. RTFsummary. They turned it into "a stand-alone game running on the Source engine."

Re:Free (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957094)

For this game, it's not a UT engine game anymore, it was ported to Source.

Aside from that, the Unreal Engines have a free development kit that's free for free games. It doesn't have everything their commerical game engine license gets (no engine source code and nobody's going to answer you if you call them at 3 in the morning the day before release).

See http://www.udk.com/ [udk.com]

Re:Free (1)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957106)

um not only did u not read the article, you didn't even read summary, but for a FP not surprising. They wrote THIS version of the game to run on the source engine. ;)

but just as a note: when you license a game engine it's not required that you must charge money for the products you create with said engine. obviously it would be sorta stupid because you do have to pay for the license, but you know, maybe recoup those fees by asking for donations? just sayin'

Re:Free (2, Informative)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957268)

Tremulous uses 2k4 code too, and doesn't require UT2004, and it's free.

No. Tremulous uses the Quake 3 engine from iD, which is now open source.

Re:Free (0, Troll)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957346)

Oh I'm sorry, I meant Nexuiz!

Nexuiz says it's a Quake 1 engine modification, but those menu widgets and fonts look awfully familiar.

Re:Free (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957558)

Nexiuz uses the Darkspaces engine, which has Quake 1 roots. Unless you actually have evidence that they are actually using Unreal code you shouldn't accuse them of doing so. Copying look/feel is one thing, but accusing them of having proprietary code is a very serious allegation.

Re:Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32959004)

frist psot and you're redundant. WTFG.

Great - spread the word (1)

Chelmet (1273754) | more than 3 years ago | (#32956982)

So that those who are already downloading 2Gb at 30kb/s get it even later.

Nah I'm just trolling, there must be a lot of interest as nobody's getting a decent speed - well, a few have it completed, but its just a case of changing your settings and finding a location that's not suspended.

Anyway, good job Valve on a free open source game that might actually be half decent :O)

Re:Great - spread the word (1)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957030)

The Ukraine and Siberia usually work well for me.

That is, if I can even start the download.. as with most new releases and all TF2 updates, the content servers are overwhelmed.

Re:Great - spread the word (1)

iRommel (1684036) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957184)

10 kb/s here, "yey". Kudos to Valve though, I thought this project was completely dead.

A solution begging to be put to use ... (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957188)

So that those who are already downloading 2Gb at 30kb/s get it even later.

This is one game that is just begging to be a torrent...

Re:A solution begging to be put to use ... (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957588)

Indeed. I wonder if it's actually illegal to get this game off piratebay, it being freeware and all?

Re:A solution begging to be put to use ... (1)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957814)

Couldn't comment on legality, but I know Valve well enough to know that they won't care one bit. They'd probably be grateful for the free hosting! =)

Re:A solution begging to be put to use ... (0, Troll)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959414)

Just because it's free doesn't mean that it's OK to torrent it. Which is a wee bit silly, but I think the main reason for that is that there's no way that Valve can know whether or not the torrents have been tampered with.

Re:Great - spread the word (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958680)

Well, it just took me a whopping 8 minutes at 3.5MB/sec max to download those 2GB here in Austria - sure, it's 2 in the morning, but then again installing a bunch of games (15-20GB) some weeks ago during the day was chugging along at 2-3MB/sec also...

Need moar bittorrent (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959184)

I gave up after getting sub 10KB/s. As has been mentioned, Steam needs to get on the bittorrent-train. A bittorrent layer would smooth this out for everyone, instead of giving the people fortunate enough to hit an underutilized server a good experience while the rest can even get the content at all ("Servers too busy"). Steam obviously is not intelligent enough to properly distribute the load.

Honestly, it's as baffling as it's retarded.

Nightblade (2, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957050)

Does this mean Nightblade is officially canceled?

Re:Nightblade (3, Informative)

j.a.mcguire (551738) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957226)

Yes Nightblade has been cancelled.

Re:Nightblade (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957516)

I should have guessed, it's been years and I haven't heard much.

(BTW, who the hell modded my post offtopic!?)

Re:Nightblade (0, Troll)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957832)

Someone who's capable of discerning the topic at hand.

Re:Nightblade (1, Informative)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958168)

Topic is about folks at Black Cat Games getting hired by Valve, so is my post.

So that isn't it. Any other ideas?

Re:Nightblade (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958706)

Just in case you want to avoid another mod, let me spell it out for you: the topic is not about people from Black Cat Games getting hired by Valve. If that were the topic, the headline would say something like "People From Black Cat Games Get Hired By Valve". The topic being discussed is Valve releasing Alien Swarm. Notice there's no mention of Black Cat Games nor of Nightblade, let alone an announcement that Nightblade is "officially canceled". If there were an official announcement about Nightblade, you can expect that to be titled under something like "Official Announcement About Nightblade", not cleverly disguised in a story about Valve releasing an unrelated game.

Re:Nightblade (5, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958972)

Someone who's capable of discerning the topic at hand.

You must be a thrilling conversationalist.

"How are you doing?"
"Fine."
"Hey, have you seen that new movie?"
"Sorry, this isn't about movies. The topic at hand is about how I'm doing."

Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957088)

No matter how good the games are, it'll never make up for how insidious STEAM is. No sale.

Further, just like all DRM, STEAM continues to fail at its stated purpose (see epcgaming.com as just one example).

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

el_tedward (1612093) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957180)

I like it. I have a fairly good connection, so I don't mind the downloads, which I much prefer to managing a bunch of game disks. They also have some very good sales every so often, even with the more popular titles.

You can install games on up to 5 computers, and from what I've heard, you can have that reset if you're the type of person who reinstalls their OS every so often.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (3, Insightful)

Peach Rings (1782482) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957196)

If by crapware you mean the most excellent social gaming platform in existence?

The stated purpose of steam is to distribute game content; it's a digital distribution network. If you have a game in your library, it will serve you the entire download at high speed any number of times you please, to any computer in the world that you please, at any time. No, it won't serve you the content if you don't have it on your account. Call that DRM if you want.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957458)

Actually it will, but it won't let you use it. You can actually install any game you want, it'll just say "pre-load complete" so if you do buy it, you're all set.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957774)

Which is, of course, DRM. It's a pretty benign form of DRM - my only serious objection is the inability to re-sell games - but it most certainly is DRM. If Steam were really just distributing games, and nothing more, I could copy the distributed bits to another computer and run them from there, without Steam even being installed. Steam is very good at what it does, but do *NOT* make the mistake of assuming just because it's better than the majority of DRM schemes that it isn't a DRM scheme itself.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958016)

- my only serious objection is the inability to re-sell games -

Then create a new steam account for each game you buy then sell the steam account containing a game. Alternatively you could try making your own games and selling those instead.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958242)

Technically possible, but a pain in several ways, from keeping track of all those accounts (and needing to sign in and out a lot) to the fact that your achievements will be only on one game at a time. Besides, as you point out, it *is* possible... so why doesn't Steam let you do this? They don't even have to facilitate the process of making a sale; just let me transfer a game from my account to somebody else's (that person would need to use Steam to play it, so copyrights are preserved). Obviously it would be nice if they would also take care of the money end of things (so long as I could also send games for free) but that's not critical.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

ensignyu (417022) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958664)

The other problem is that like with all DRM systems, you're in trouble if Valve becomes insolvent or decides to turn evil and shut downs their servers. For now though things seems OK considering:

  • Valve makes a lot of money. They're not likely to go under anytime soon.
  • Valve has made at least some vague promises to unlock the DRM (maybe only on their games, but better than nothing) if they're unable to continue running Steam.
  • As a privately owned company, they're somewhat less likely to try to screw over their customers for short-term gain. They also seem a lot less corporate than most major game publishers.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1, Flamebait)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958760)

While it's true that Valve could turn evil or go under, it's also true that my car might need a new transmission. The latter is more likely and more expensive (and I have a lot of steam games), but I don't lose any sleep over the possibility - why should I particularly worry that Steam might go bad?

Some slashdotteres seemd obsssed over the fact that this "evil DRM" might make them lose all their games some day. Sure. So what? On the scale of life's routine disasters, that's about a "3".

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (4, Insightful)

pelrun (25021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957644)

Strictly speaking it is DRM, but it's in a form that isn't about punishing the end user to make some high-rent manager with delusions of IP feel better.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (5, Insightful)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957868)

Absolutely. I understand why certain people rag on Steam, it is DRM in the most literal sense. But it's DRM done right. It isn't engineered to be as obtrusive as possible. It does exactly what it's built to and compensates for it's shortcomings by providing a lot of free services as an incentive to use it. Couple that with it's excellent prices, and I don't see any reason to complain.

Furthermore, if there's any company that's going to make damn sure to unlock it's games if it goes under, it's Valve.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0, Troll)

KillShill (877105) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958314)

That's like saying "Genocide done right".

All DRM is evil, period.

In fact, STEAM is one of the worst forms of DRM that exists... it uses the "boil the frog" technique to lull the public into a false sense of security. But at the end of the day you still have to get permission each time you want to play (no, offline mode doesn't count because 1. it expires after a while and 2. you still have to get STEAM's permission to enter into it in the first place). And the cherry on the top of it all : it eliminates the first sale doctrine. I did hear about how STEAM(Valve) will kindly take your 10 dollars in order to "transfer" a game to someone else...

STEAM is the single most onerous form of DRM out today. The only thing which could top it is Trusted Computing (though that's coming too, but in piecemeal , so as not to disturb the frog).

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (2, Insightful)

pelrun (25021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958434)

Sorry, but "All DRM is evil, period" is just plain wrong, and speaks to your prejudices more than anything else. Of course, it's perfectly understandable why you have those prejudices in the first place, considering how abusively the technology has been used by the entertainment industry, but still.

The issues with the first sale doctrine are valid - but honestly, the real reason people want to sell these items second-hand is to recover some of the punishing prices that the games are being sold for new. Valve goes some way to address this with the deep discounts they offer on a lot of their products. I don't buy a game unless a) I want it badly enough to justify swallowing the initial high price, or b) it gets discounted to where it's undeniably good value. Considering the ridiculously low prices Valve sells games for on a regular basis, I think this is perfectly acceptable.

The games that charge an obscene amount for little other reason than they can (*cough*MW2*cough*) don't find their way onto my account.

And "Steam is the most onerous DRM out there today" - hyperbole much? Not to mention it's just outright wrong. *cough*Ubisoft*cough*

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959492)

But DRM is evil period. With the possible exception of free games, there's never a legitimate reason to do it. Pirate versions are frequently available before the legitimate ones are. Which tends to make it so that the only people actually dealing with DRM are the paying customers.

I'm not sure how exactly that isn't evil. Perhaps you've got a good reason as to why people who pay ought to have to put up with it when pirates don't.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (2, Insightful)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958316)

I'm not actually sure I'd call Steam's prices "excellent" aside from their frequent sales. Sales are nice, of course, but overall I've found Steam to typically be a little bit above what I can find from online retailers, and occasionally above what I can find on a physical shelf. I very rarely buy Steam games at more than half their list price; it's just not worth it. They also charge just as much for new titles as anywhere else, which is to say they charge a hell of a lot for new releases (over $60 for a single game with under 50 hours of unique playthrough seems really, really lame to me).

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

pelrun (25021) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958532)

If you deliberately exclude the discounts when evaluating Steam's prices, then you're missing the point. Unless someone is holding a gun to your head and making you buy every game at full price, there's nothing stopping you from stuffing your account full of AAA games at prices you just don't find anywhere else.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958424)

Furthermore, if there's any company that's going to make damn sure to unlock it's games if it goes under, it's Valve.

And you know this how? If you really think that Valve is somehow any less corrupt or less money driven than any other corporation, then I have a bridge to sell you.

If/When Valve goes under, they'll have no incentive to unlock anything. If/When they sell out, the company that buys them gains the control to do whatever they want, even if that means killing off all authentication servers and telling you that you're SOL or remaking those games so they can sell them to you again with a new coat of paint while simultaneously pulling the plug on the old versions.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958986)

Couple that with it's excellent prices

I seriously hope you are kidding me. The prices are outrageous if they're not currently doing a sale. Compare Steam prices to Amazon and you'll often see a price difference of 10€ or more, especially on new games.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959476)

Um, with normal DRM if something happens you're out 1 game typically at most. With Steam if something goes wrong you can very easily find yourself out the entire account worth of games. Or at a somewhat less bad scenario, without the ability to play any of those games on a sanctioned server.

The thing is that it's unobtrusive until it becomes obtrusive. For free games and as a way of getting game files for use with 3rd party game engines it's great, I just don't personally trust it beyond that.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32959628)

excellent prices

Unless your buying a game published by 2kgames, EA or Activision while outside the US.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957778)

It also won't serve you content if you don't have internet access - something a CD would - but thats all apples and oranges anyways. It's still DRM, just some people like different kinds of DRM.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0, Troll)

guruweaver (1008847) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959088)

While you are correct in that you cannot install games without teh intert00bs, you can certainly play them without connectivity. Steam's offline mode is quite good. It also keeps the games patched, which is nice. Valve still has some work to do in smoothing out their "cloud[1]" feature, used to sync your saved games between computers, but it's a step in the right direction. Particularly for someone like me who travels a lot for work. Play at home on desktop -> saves go into "cloud" -> continue where I left off on laptop. Mike [1] Hate that word, cloud. "New media" marketing BS for "It's on servers outside of your premises." Bah.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32959204)

That might be fine if you only travel domestically.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958264)

My web browser can already provide any service that Steam does, thanks. I don't see the point in installing a specialised piece of software that is only used to push and sell products made by or approved of by a single game company. I also don't see the point in requiring Steam to run in the background while I play games nor the point in requiring an internet connection to play single player games.

Yeah sorry, I'm going to have to agree with the original AC on this one.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958626)

Bet you have an iPhone.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (2, Insightful)

gencha (1020671) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958436)

Even though I agree with you on the most parts, I think it's worth noting that it is extremely difficult to return items on Steam (if at all possible). Also, keep in mind the price differences Valve places upon customers. A game can cost $35 in the US and costs 35EUR in the EU. I have also personally purchased a game online which required activation on Steam. When trying that, Steam told me I was not allowed to own/use that game where I live and that I should return it. Steam in general refuses to sell me any games that aren't watered down to the lowest "violence" levels. Even though I can buy the original versions right at the store.

Also, "high speed" is kind of a debatable term in this context. I guess 2MB/s is a high speed (I hardly ever get beyond that). But downloading a game from my library still takes longer than installing it from a disc. And the connection issues are even worse for the dedicated servers I run. Installing/updating server installations have always suffered from low speeds for me. This can be very frustrating at times.

I still agree that Steam is most likely the best platform of it's kind around and I appreciate a lot of the benefits compared to retail games. Yet the above mentioned experiences leave at least a bitter aftertaste.

Re:Free as in beer; comes with required crapware (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959506)

That's why I keep a back up of files that I download. It's nice in case the server goes down or Ubisoft decides to no longer offer downloads, but you can burn those to discs and have a back up and a copy at hand for quick install. It might be because I don't drive, but it's a lot more convenient than going to the mall and a lot quicker than ordering online.

That being said, I personally prefer physical discs in most cases, places like GoG and free Steam games being the exceptions.

Black Cat Games is irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957206)

Resistance is hopeless. You will be Valvesimmilated.

(Poor indie guys can't make a buck.)

Re:Black Cat Games is irrelevant (5, Funny)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957876)

Yeah, poor Black Cat. They got offered and accepted a hiring from one of the most successful development houses in the world and then got paid to finish their free volunteer project and release it for free anyway. Life's a bitch.

Mac version? (3, Interesting)

thetagger (1057066) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957210)

Hmmm, am I the only one who is disappointed that there is no Mac version?

Re:Mac version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957252)

Yes.

Re:Mac version? (1)

RandomAdam (1837998) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957356)

I could care less about the mac version....but if there was a Linux version that would be awesome

Re:Mac version? (0, Offtopic)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957824)

So you care, at least a little bit, about whether or not there's a Mac version?

Seriously, people, think about what you're writing. That severely overused phrase just does *NOT* mean what you seem to think it does. It's not like you need a PhD in English to figure out the difference between
"I could care less"
and
"I couldn't care less."
So, which one did you mean to use?

On-topic, it does seem strange that they wouldn't have ported it to OS X. In theory, a cross-platform game engine should make the port very easy...

Re:Mac version? (1)

RandomAdam (1837998) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958124)

Yes I care a little bit, the fact that the mac version has to use non-microsoft technology means that it is closer to a linux version.

Re:Mac version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957350)

No. Especially now that Source is cross-platform. I use my mac as my main gaming computer.

Re:Mac version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957450)

I'm surprised and shocked at the lack of a Mac version for the same reason.

Re:Mac version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957358)

Me too

Re:Mac version? (2, Informative)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957568)

I don't have a Mac so I can't be disappointed.

However, I'm also not surprised.

Valve made a big deal about how Portal 2 was going to be their first simultaneous Windows/Mac release. Since Portal 2 hasn't come out yet, they clearly didn't plan a simultaneous release.

Add to that that the two most recent Source games before this (L4D & L4D2) still haven't been ported to the Mac...

Re:Mac version? (1)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957904)

It's probably a marketing push on their part. That stinks, it means the Mac gamers will be waiting around, but I very strongly doubt they'll leave any of their games Windows only for very long. Mac ports are a rarity, and since the platform and engine have already been successfully ported, releasing their library on a new platform is just money in the bank. Give it time.

Re:Mac version? (-1, Troll)

baconjews (1859636) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957686)

After Valve made such a big deal about them coming out for Mac?

No - it was always marketing bullshit first and last. Sucker.

Great Job Valve (1)

glittermage (650813) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957506)

Hire from community and give a game away for free. Thanks Valve! Can't understand why it's taken so long for someone to release a solid alien co-op blast fest. I suspect the next version will not be free but that's okay with me. Thanks again!

Re:Great Job Valve (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957756)

Well L4D was a co-op blast fest. Except in that game it was zombies and not aliens.

Re:Great Job Valve (1)

glittermage (650813) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958324)

Yes, I own L4D and L4D2. My friends and I pretty much get any decent rated co-op game. Now back to Borderlands....

Does anyone research anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957592)

Steam is available for Mac.

Three Cheers for Valve (2, Interesting)

TheRedDuke (1734262) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957690)

They get a lot of crap for the 'evil' DRM that is Steam, but seriously: they're giving away free stuff here. Incidentally, they gave Portal away for a time when they launched Steam for Mac. Their mod tools are free as well. AND they didn't require anyone to re-buy Valve apps for Mac when they ported them if you already bought 'em for Windows. I don't know of any of the other major software publishing houses that would do that. I'll be giving this mod a try as soon as I get home tonight.

Re:Three Cheers for Valve (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958522)

Valve is a pretty cool company. The DRM they implemented is really a compromise, and aside for the offline restrictions, its pretty much the best middleground you can have today for a game digital delivery platform (compromise as in publishers agree to it and players can still have fun). And while not open source across the board, they ARE very open as far as game industry goes.

If there's only one thing that you could blame on them, is allowing publishers to use custom DRM on top of the Steam DRM. It should have been a rule that only Steam default DRM is allowed... and if the suits disagree, at least have an icon or something next to games to show which DRM it uses. I hate having to look at the forums to tell if a game will hose my computer or not.

Re:Three Cheers for Valve (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32959424)

You are such a submissive little wimp that it sickens me. There should be no compromise at all, for no DRM is acceptable.

Re:Three Cheers for Valve (1)

thetagger (1057066) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958820)

Steam is the only form of DRM that I don't mind, because it never got in my way. I have every game I own installed on every computer I have, I can play them whenever I want, I am happy.

Re:Three Cheers for Valve (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32959448)

To be honest, I pretty much have nothing to do with them, except when they're giving away free stuff. I don't personally mind DRM when the content is free, provided I'm able to use it. If they want to give it away with strings attached, that's fine by me.

Good job guys! (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957714)

We're /.ing steam!

"The Steam servers are currently to busy to handle your request. Please try again in a few minutes"

Re:Good job guys! (1)

keatonguy (1001680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32957920)

That's not just us. The same thing happens whenever Valve released a new game or patch. ;) Try opening up the options window and switching your download region to somewhere a little less populated. East European servers are usually responsive during a patch rush.

Re:Good job guys! (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#32958138)

MoH beta is going on right now too for Steam BFBC2 owners. Speaking of which, my download just finished!

There's nothing wrong with steam. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32957746)

It's a good thing that when a game gets updated, steam will automatically download it for you.

Code base (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32958290)

They're not releasing the "code base". They're releasing an SDK containing the game logic. The engine (you know, the juicy bits) is still closed-source.

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