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Massive EU Program To Study Three-legged Dogs

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the all-I-really-need-to-know-I-learned-from-a-three-legged-dog dept.

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DMandPenfold writes "A multi-billion dollar European Union IT research fund will help study the behavior of three-legged dogs, it has been revealed. The fund will support extensive studies into how three-legged dogs move. There is a particular focus on how the dogs balance and function, given their missing limb."

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I well wo... (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963796)

HUH?

Really? Billions of dollars in three legged dogs ey?

What in the world are they thinking about? I know I know, three legged dawgs.

Re:I well wo... (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963986)

Billions of dollars in three legged dogs
 
While this sounds excessive, it's only truly crazy to consider that after they convert euros to dollars to start the program they just have to convert them back to spend on the local expenses. Think how many more three legged dogs could benefit if only the researchers hadn't pissed away a good 20% in paying the exchange fees twice.

Re:I well wo... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964108)

No, not billion dollars for 3-legged dogs. They are funded by a fund that hands out a billion dollars in research funds to thousands of projects. So dogs will only get a tiny fraction of it.

Re:I well wo... (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966266)

The dogs will get none of it. If they're lucky, they'll get a couple of meals every day, in exchange for running with sensors attached all over their body, under bright lights, for 18 hours a day...

Its o do with community relations (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964210)

HUH?

Really? Billions of dollars in three legged dogs ey?

What in the world are they thinking about? I know I know, three legged dawgs.

Well the EU wants to understand Muslims, so why not start by a a study of Muhammad. Since he is long since dead any other dog that isn't walking on all paws will do.

Re:Its o do with community relations (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964266)

HUH?

Really? Billions of dollars in three legged dogs ey?

What in the world are they thinking about? I know I know, three legged dawgs.

Well the EU wants to understand Muslims, so why not start by a a study of Muhammad. Since he is long since dead any other dog that isn't walking on all paws will do.

You could be on to something there .... standing in a roundabout [wikipedia.org] is asking to lose a leg.

They hop? (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963810)

Much more interesting are the few two legged dogs that manage to get around.

Did they hear about the three legged dog... (4, Funny)

boristdog (133725) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963818)

Did they hear about the three legged dog that walked into a saloon?

The barkeep asked him what he wanted.

He said: "I'm lookin' for the man that shot my paw!"

It's for locomotion research (5, Informative)

jfoobaz (1844794) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963838)

Towards the bottom of the article, it mentions that the purpose of the study is "... to develop advanced robots that can help animals and even humans cope with function after the loss of a limb."

The headline and summary make it sound like utterly frivolous bullshit, when it's actually important research into motion and balance techniques in living creatures that can be applied to robotics.

Typical Slashdot.

Re:It's for locomotion research (3, Interesting)

starfishsystems (834319) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964282)

From the perspective of cognition this is very interesting stuff, in fact. As everyone knows, four-legged animals make use of multiple gaits: walking and cantering for example. These gaits are dynamic, and there is no such thing as an intermediate gait. Halfway between walking and cantering is called falling down. So an animal has to know how to accomplish a shift between gaits in mid-stride.

So there's already lots going on cognitively here, just with ordinary gaits. Now imagine that misfortune has struck and there is one less limb. What happens, not just kinematically but cognitively? Is the pattern for a preexisting gait reconfigured, or is there some degree of latent capability that wakes up?

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

mibe (1778804) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964304)

They're making the tripods from War of the Worlds. Large Hadron Collider is obviously to produce an energy source to power them. Look out for heat-ray research on the horizon.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964478)

Yes. My guess is that the "billions" is actually the funding for the organisation that has many projects, including one on damage compensating AI walking robots, which has a task involving looking at how animals cmpensate for lost limbs.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964606)

Towards the bottom of the article...

I think you mean typical media, not just typical slashdot. This is what the study is about, it should be inside the first paragraph, the methods the study uses (3-legged dogs) are much less important to the overall understanding of the subject and should be farther down. But then, that wouldn't make a sensationalist headline, so why would they want to do that.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965016)

Normally I'm all for studies that don't have any obvious near term benefit, but this is ridiculous. It's not a particularly useful set of studies to be making for the purposes of robotics, as a robot is going to be designed so as to not have that extra moment of inertia that 3 legged animals have to cope with. If you really want interesting useful stuff, the formerly quadrupeds that are now bipedal in nature are much more interesting in that respect.

As for making robotic prosthesises, perhaps at some point we need to just admit that it's just an animal and provided that it wasn't done intentionally that the best thing might just be to put the damned thing to sleep. I've seen 3 legged dogs, and they really don't strike me as terribly happy. Giving it a robotic leg is just plane silly.

Re:It's for locomotion research (4, Funny)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965174)

Giving it a robotic leg is just plane silly.

Which, for those of you not in the know, is less than car silly, but more than boat silly. Still, I think that method of comparing silly levels is plain silly.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

gv250 (897841) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966680)

Giving it a robotic leg is just plane silly.

Which, for those of you not in the know, is less than car silly, but more than boat silly. Still, I think that method of comparing silly levels is plain silly.

No, you misunderstand. Plane silly is less than space silly, but more than line silly.

In fact, there is only one thing less then line silly, and beyond that there is no point.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965314)

Maybe they're just suffering from phantom limb syndrome and all they need is a mirror box.

If you were to lose a limb, would you be so unhappy that it would just be time for "sleep"?

Re:It's for locomotion research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32966740)

I've seen a TV report about this that was a bit more informative - one of their targets is "how can we make our four legged robots [one of them - military "mule" - was, iirc, even mentioned on /.] work and walk even after they've lost a leg or two?"
If you send robot on battlefield, you might prefer it working somehow even when damaged. Or space probe you've spent millions to get on another planet.

Re:It's for locomotion research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32967286)

Say for example that someone where to develop a robot to explore mars, if one does not want that robot to get stuck it could be of interest to make it quadpedal instead of wheeled.
If one of the legs fail, wouldn't you think that this study would be worth quite a lot?

Re:It's for locomotion research (2, Insightful)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#32967434)

A robot might lose a leg. What if you have an all-terrain robot, rock climbing... it's useful to have 4 limbs, maybe 6 or 8. And then it loses random limbs....

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

Zantac69 (1331461) | more than 3 years ago | (#32967676)

Our Cairn Terrier pulled an Evel Knievel off the couch when he was 6 months old and broke his back left leg. He got an infection (and even with treatment)...and he had to lose the leg. I can tell you one thing - he is a fighter. I carried him outside the morning after his surgery and helped him stand so he could piss. He was up walking that afternoon...and I had to stop him from running up the stairs 3 days later.

Ours runs rip-shit-riot around the house and lives a wonderful life. He plays with other dogs and does not miss a beat.

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 3 years ago | (#32968652)

Normally I'm all for studies that don't have any obvious near term benefit, but this is ridiculous. It's not a particularly useful set of studies to be making ...

Well, one of the differences between the philosophical mind and the scientific mind is that the former loves to reason out conclusions a priori like you're doing above, whereas the latter likes to actually test things. It's impossible to say until after the study is done whether it will yield any useful results. There are good reasons to think it will, though, as the same neural processes are pretty much guaranteed in all mammals when it comes to how they going about reorganizing their locomotive systems.

As for making robotic prosthesises, perhaps at some point we need to just admit that it's just an animal... Giving it a robotic leg is just plane silly.

I'd accuse of you being plane stupid but planes can practically land themselves these days. Clue alert: robotic prosthesises are not just for dogs anymore!

Re:It's for locomotion research (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966194)

The headline and summary make it sound like utterly frivolous bullshit, when it's actually important research into motion and balance techniques in living creatures that can be applied to robotics.

And to add insult to injury, it's on Idle. I think /. needs roles for their editors, i.e. Science Editor, Civil Rights Editor, Gaming Editor, Book Review Editor, etc.

Nice to know... (1, Redundant)

Nargg (1678106) | more than 3 years ago | (#32963840)

I guess there's some irony knowing that the EU has as much issues with wasted government grants as we do here in the US.

No irony, not wasted (0, Troll)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964072)

Irony means writing the opposite of what you intend your reader to understand, so I'm at a loss to understand your post. Are you one of the "Americans that don't get irony" stereotypes? And this obviously isn't wasted money; it's looking into robotics applications.

Re:No irony, not wasted (1)

blackfrancis75 (911664) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964402)

actually there are eight [reference.com] accepted meanings for the term Irony - I think at this stage it can mean whatever you want it to.

Thats what they call me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32963870)

The ladies call me the Three Legged Dog, and I'd love to show you how I move.

Re:Thats what they call me (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964640)

The ladies call me the Three Legged Dog, and I'd love to show you how I move.

If you ask me to throw you a bone, I'm leaving.

Automail anyone? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964018)

1 step closer to automail... :)

My biggest problem with this study (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964020)

Rather than use existing three-legged dogs, they plan on removing one of the legs of a four-legged animal. The study could be run 25% cheaper, but the leg-cutters union objected too much.

Re:My biggest problem with this study (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965112)

For it to be a scientifically viable study, you pretty much have to cut legs off. 3 legged dogs are sufficiently unusual that depending upon the study you'd have to get before data on pretty much every dog in a country to get enough before and after information to make for a valid study. At which point you've pretty much negated the point of doing a study in the first place. Likewise if you wait until afterwards you're going to be dealing with data that's not scientifically valid as you don't know what it looked like before hand and have no idea what specific changes have happened as a result.

Theo De Raadt Was Walking His Three Legged Dog (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964064)

Theo De Raadt was exiting his welfare paid 3 story colonial home to get some morning coffee. He checked left and right to see if the coast was clear before whipping out a brand new iPhone. ``OSX will be superior to anything open source will ever create'' he thought with both a smile and a tear.

After he started up mailinglist.app and loaded the openbsd one, he quickly started writing up a snarky response to someone with a legit question. Before he suddenly felt ill. Realising what was happening he threw his head in his neck and let out the most diabolical laughter.

Theo De Raadt had just shit his pants.

Old Joke -- EU and the three-legged pig (1)

jrbirdman (1281118) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964136)

I just don't see what possible value that studying three-legged dogs to bring to the table. How to help leg-challenged horses?

How about as fodder for jokes?...

This traveling salesman is _way_ out in the hills and approaches a farmer to try to sell his wares. He notices a three legged pig hopping around in the front yard and asks the farmer about it. "That's no ordinary pig!" exclaims the farmer. "That pig is smart! We all owe our lives to that thar pig! Why, last winter we wuz all asleep and a spark from the fireplace caught the cabin on fire, and we would've all burned up. But that pig squeeled and beat on the front porch to wake us up and saved all our lives! And last sprang my son wuz a swimmin in the pond and took a cramp and woulda drown, but that thar pig come a runnin to the back fourty where I was a plowin and drug me by the overalls til I saw him and saved his life again!" "Wow, but what happened to his leg?" asked the salesman. "We owe it all to that pig! Why, it wouldn't be right to just eat him all at once!"

actual information (4, Informative)

mattdm (1931) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964142)

Here's the actual project site: http://locomorph.eu/ [locomorph.eu]

Obviously not all of the 1.3 billion USD (not actually "multi-billion" -- the Euro/Dollar conversion isn't that bad!) is going to research on "three-legged dogs". It's about robotic locomotion in general, of which that may be one component (although the project web site doesn't particularly mention it).

Also, it's a four-year project split between six universities. That's about $50 million per year for each site, which is still a big grant but doesn't seem so crazy for the field.

Re:actual information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32967524)

Also, it's a four-year project split between six universities. That's about $50 million per year for each site, which is still a big grant but doesn't seem so crazy for the field.

Don't go bringing "facts" and "numbers" into this - it confuses the poor conservatives who only want to rant about how "GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS TEH EVIL" for a while before they go collect their Social Security and/or farm subsidy checks.

Oh, it's even worse than that. (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 3 years ago | (#32970336)

Looks like the €1B goes to 16,000 separate participants -- the Locomorph project is just one of those. Soooo, an average of about $80,000 each. :-/

3 Legs? (0, Offtopic)

uncholowapo (1666661) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964226)

When I read it, I thought of the dog having a massive penis. Oh well, guess it's off to the internet to get my fix...

Idle or not, very stupid and suggestive article (2, Insightful)

pjotrb123 (685993) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964254)

Most of the article focuses on 1 billion vs 3-legged dogs. Only the last paragraph mentions that a total of 16000 researchers will be funded. I'm quite sure some of the remaining 15995 are doing something useful or interesting too, but somehow they neglect to mention this.

A typical example of modern media hyping things up, a submitter that makes it even worse, and a Slashdot editor who thinks what the heck it's summer lets put it on the front page.

And a slashdot reader who reads it (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966990)

If people stopped reading slashdot because they didn't like the articles, then slashdot editors would change their act.

But we don't. We watch Idols and so they serve us Idols. The news has become froth at the mouth headlines because that is what people watch.

Follow the money, the money always comes from the viewer. YOU (and me)

Re:And a slashdot reader who reads it (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 3 years ago | (#32984186)

> Follow the money, the money always comes from the viewer. YOU (and me)

YOU, maybe. Not me. I block all ads.

U.S. falls behind in 3 leg dog research (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964264)

It used to be that The U.S. let the world in everything: steel production , electricity production, coal, silly government boondoggle projects, etc. Now we wake up one day and find that the Europeans are pulling ahead of us. leaving us in the dust in 3 leg dog research.
Another sad note on the decline of our once great country.

Why dogs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964288)

Wouldn't it be cheaper and just as effective to study three legged mice?

Different body shapes (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965068)

As I understand it, mouse legs are shaped differently from dog legs. Correlating the study on mice against the study on dogs would help show how adaptations to limb reconfiguration differ with body proportion.

Life Aquatic (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964398)

I was just watching Life Aquatic last night and there was a three legged dog running around, its movement was pretty incredible especially when it was running.

Robotics links (3, Informative)

Onnimikki (63071) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964466)

Hi, The Locomorph Group ( http://locomorph.eu/ [locomorph.eu] ) is made up of science and engineering partners. The science partners (University of Antwerp and the University of Jena, where the dogs are being researched) are guiding the robotics research on shape-changing robots at Ryerson University (the only non-EU partner, located in Canada), the University of Zurich, the Ecole Polytechnique de Lausanne and the University of Southern Denmark. More stories on the project can be found here: http://idw-online.de/de/news379765 [idw-online.de] (in German) http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS_FP7&ACTION=D&DOC=2&CAT=NEWS&QUERY=0129d6293767:57a8:2486afcf&RCN=32339 [europa.eu] (in English), http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-l-ue-octroie-1-2-milliard-d-euros-a-la-recherche-en-robotique-et-dans-les-reseaux-31224.html [lemondeinformatique.fr] (in French), http://www.jenapolis.de/69486/nicht-nur-spielzeug-wissenschaftler-demonstrieren-laufroboter/ [jenapolis.de] (in German) There are also some informal photos from our meeting last week: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~jasmith/locomorph/photos/jena_2010/ [ryerson.ca] Other photos can be found here: http://idw-online.de/de/image120758 [idw-online.de] http://www.jenapolis.de/69486/nicht-nur-spielzeug-wissenschaftler-demonstrieren-laufroboter/ [jenapolis.de]

Re:Robotics links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32965498)

Zurich in the EU? Lausanne in the EU? Since when is Switzerland a member of the EU?

Re:Robotics links (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965926)

Shh.... we don't want to upset them.

Re:Robotics links (1)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966716)

"There's a hard core [of the "environmental movement"] that's sort of a zombie remnant of Soviet psyops. - ESR"

I'm on a mailing list with that drama queen!

He really believes that bullshit, you know.

Offtopic (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 3 years ago | (#32974740)

There's a hard core [of the "environmental movement"] that's sort of a zombie remnant of Soviet psyops. - ESR

I'm on a mailing list with that drama queen!

He really believes that bullshit, you know.

Oh I'm sure he does. Luckily he's got his trusty .45 to protect you from the commie zombie eco-nuts.

He's also the guy to see if you have some FORTRAN problems.

Re:Offtopic (1)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 3 years ago | (#32979388)

Irony is defined thus:

I'm the guy who recommended the particular .45 pistol (the Colt Officer's Model [guncollectorsclub.com] ) he ultimately purchased.

Do they wear the ground more or less? (1)

rcpitt (711863) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964566)

Breed for 3 legs - wears out the parks and other grassy spots less - net savings over 4 centuries = $1 billion (not counting inflation)

I owned one (2, Informative)

LatencyKills (1213908) | more than 3 years ago | (#32964662)

I had a rottweiler mix that lost his front left leg to osteosarcoma. At slow speeds, he would move kind of like an inchworm, hopping his remaining front leg forward, then jumping both back legs forward, wash, rinse, repeat. He could do it while keeping his head on the ground, say following a scent trail. At higher speeds (and even after the amputation he was faster than his brother) he would do a run in which his two right legs would move, then the remaining left rear would move. His head would bob up and down as he ran. Oh, and when he peed, he would lift his left rear leg, and balance on his two right feet. BTW, the cancer came back and got him a year after the amputation - bone cancer of the back left leg, and we didn't want to try him as a two legged dog, though I understand some of those get around as well.

Re:I owned one (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965434)

I used to see a dog that apparently had non-functional rear legs.

It's hard to describe the device he was riding on, but it was like half a toy scooter with a harness. He seemed to be able to pull himself along with just his front legs, at least on a flattish surface.

I reckon injuries on the same side or opposite corners would be a bit of a bugger, though.

Re:I owned one (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966078)

Some breeds such as German shepherds are very susceptible to arthritis and other joint problems. Some of them will effectively have the rear part of their bodies painfully seize up and not necessarily when they are in advanced years. Hence the harness wheel gizmo. Sad really. The reason they get this in the first place is the years and years of inbreeding.

re: osteosarcoma and Rottweilers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32964864)

I had heard that Jean-Claude Van Damme's Rott got osteosarcoma, but in all 4 legs. Incredibly he had all 4 of its legs amputated and the dog continued - if you can call it living - with no legs, as an invalid that was nursed by humans for its needs. I just hope it died quickly and painlessly.

Yep, welcome to the world of E.U. funding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32965210)

I live in Europe, and in the past I had to deal quite a lot with projects coming from the same framework as this one. You can't imagine how cumbersome it is to get funded by them. They don't really evaluate the actual scientific quality of your project, but rather your ability to conform to the numerous, super dumb rules that they impose on you (e.g. hey I got this super clevere idea and I'd like to develop it with my good friend living next door... nop, sorry but you MUST work with someone living in another euro country...). Never in my life I have to make so many useless reports that nobody ever reads, nor did I have to deal with people wearing suits who had no idea what the hell we were doing. It basically is handled by morons (quite like the rest of the E.U. parliment) who ended up there by pure chance (or clever help from some "friends"), and who should be fired and put to some actual work asap. Sooo well, such a bizarre and pointless research does not surprise me at all (PS: yup, I don't like the E.U. institutions very much)

Interesting study, love too see data (1)

MonsterMasher (518641) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965322)

Interesting study ;

I wonder if there is interest in studying the adaptive phase of the subjects transfering between 4 to 3 legs. What effect does age of the subjects have? I hope they study the transition of gates on tread mill.

I would love access to this data and a peak at the models. Using Neural-nets? Evolutionary nets?

I imagine a 3 legged robot would be the most cost effective proposition system.

Cool stuff!

Make that 2.7 million Euro (4, Informative)

Brown (36659) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965328)

The implication that the EU is spending billions of euros on a program to study 3-legged dogs is completely misleading. The fund in question appears to be FP7 (Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] ), which funds a huge variety of researchers on many differnet topics.

If you look at what I think is the relevant EU site [europa.eu] , the project received EUR 2.7 million from the 'Embodied intelligence' Initiative within the 'Information and communication technologies' (ICT) Thematic area of the Seventh Framework Programme (FP7).

Which wouldn't make much of a story I guess - "multi-billion" sounds waaay more impressive.

-Chris

Mod parent up (3, Insightful)

antientropic (447787) | more than 3 years ago | (#32965816)

Indeed, the real story here (though not news by any means) is the inability of the British press to report on the EU without being willfully misleading. The headline "European £1bn IT programme to study three-legged dogs" is not strictly speaking false - it just fails to mention that that 1 billion will be used for many other things as well. A more reasonable article is here: European IT Research Gets €1.2 Billion From EU [pcworld.com] .

mod parent up (1)

jfoobaz (1844794) | more than 3 years ago | (#32966170)

Shitty original reporting, combined with intellectual laziness of the Slashdot poster and editors.

Fucking retarded, more useless government waste! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32965470)

Unbelievable! This, folks, is why I am a staunch LIBERTARIAN. TAXATION is THEFT. Repeat after me. TAXATION is THEFT. Do you want your hard earned dollars going towards "researching" bullshit like three legged dogs and hoaxes like global warming? FUCK NO I hear you say.

Vote Ron Paul next election. Let's show these dipshit euro-weenies what a real country looks like.

OMG ! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32965874)

OMG ! Those billions of dollars could have been invested in the military in order to bring democracy in so many countries !

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS !

Stupid europeons ! They'd all be speaking german if it wasn't for us ! Just give us the money ! We are good with money !

If you pay them taxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32971268)

You are their subject. Welcome to a European Union: have you met your president?

"given their missing limb" (1)

RandomCake (1406515) | more than 3 years ago | (#32983500)

"There is a particular focus on how the dogs balance and function, given their missing limb." I'm not sure that giving the dog their missing will make any difference, and I don't think many three legged dogs still have their third leg sitting around...

Study cats! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33010454)

Boo! Study three-legged cats instead! As long as you're not hurting any of them.

        --Stephen (the owner of three three legged cats)

biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33017298)

I guess I'm biased, but I still think this study is better than every EU parliament member getting an ipad!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7134077.ece

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  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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