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A Windows Phone 7 For Every Microsoftie

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the learning-from-the-zune dept.

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theodp writes "So, how can Microsoft guarantee its Windows Phone 7 devices will enjoy broader adoption than the ill-fated Kin? By giving every Microsoft employee a free one, that's how. A Microsoft spokesman confirmed the move, explaining that the idea is to thank employees for all their work, and make sure that they have experience with Windows Phone 7 devices. Microsoft has nearly 90,000 employees worldwide."

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But it's mnade out of PEOPLE !! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988554)

Don't buy WP7. It's made out of PEOPLE !!

Re:But it's mnade out of PEOPLE !! (4, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988716)

" Don't buy WP7. It's made out of PEOPLE !! "

I could be worse - it could be made out of KINs instead of next of kins.

Hot new item @ microsoft - cases that make your iPhone look like a WP7 phone - complete with BSOD screen-saver.

The Balminator: "Hey - is that an iPhone?

Employee: "I wish - blue-screened again!"

The Balminator: "Okay, I guess I can find someone else to throw this chair at."

First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988556)

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It'll be interesting... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988570)

The number of iPhones at MS is crazy; probably around 20% of the people have them. (There are phone stores on campus; they aren't allowed to sell Androids or iPhones).

I suspect if you whip an iPhone out in front of Ballmer after, say, November or so, that he'll be a little more than a little upset at you.

This is a good move to get people to dogfood and internally develop for the thing. (And I was going to ditch my iPhone anway).

Re:It'll be interesting... (3, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988664)

I'll agree that 'eating your own dogfood' is good for the phone's development team, but do you really think everyone else has any real input into it? Real customers don't even get real input unless there's an antenna-gate or something.

I've been wondering for a while why companies seem to be so inept at listening to their customers. I understand the concept of 'vocal minority' and all that, but certain things should just be obvious when someone complains about them. Like lack of 'cut and paste' functionality on a 'smart phone'. I'm sure someone at Apple said 'What about cut and paste?' and someone shrugged it off. I'll even admit that I don't see why it was a big deal. But it -was-. And even after thousands of people started mocking the iPhone for not having it, Apple continued to ignore the complaints. That's the part I find so hard to believe.

Re:It'll be interesting... (1)

bashibazouk (582054) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988902)

I wonder how long before someone designs an iphone case that makes it look just like a common Windows phone 7 model?

They should expand the program (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988572)

I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free. Sure as hell never paying for another device running WinCE, the most pointless operating system ever.

It isn't even real Windows CE (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988642)

Windows Phone 7 isn't even real Windows CE. The user can't load and run apps designed for previous versions of Windows Mobile, only apps designed from Silverlight or XNA, and even then only from the official app store. Want to make your own apps? 99 bucks a year, just like iPhone. (To be fair, iPhone copied this app store model largely from Microsoft's XNA Creators Club and Xbox Live Indie Games.)

Re:It isn't even real Windows CE (4, Informative)

jisatsusha (755173) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988740)

It's actually worse than that. It's $99 per year, plus $99 per application.

Re:It isn't even real Windows CE (1)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988938)

And thank god for that. Have you seen androids marketplace lately? It's flooded with stupid soundboard apps and other shit.

Re:It isn't even real Windows CE (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989454)

Have you seen androids marketplace lately?

An advantage of Android over WP7 and iOS is that the owner of the phone can turn on "Unknown sources" without paying an annual fee. So as long as you didn't get your phone from AT&T, you don't need the Market for free apps if the author provides an APK for download.

Re:It isn't even real Windows CE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989278)

What are you smoking? $99 a year if you develop and sell more than 5 applications through the marketplace. the first five are free

Re:They should expand the program (5, Funny)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988796)

I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free.

The first one is always free.

Re:They should expand the program (1)

pckl300 (1525891) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988870)

I remember wanting to get a Windows CE phone when James Bond had one. That feeling ended rather quickly

Re:They should expand the program (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989078)

I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free.

Yeah, the phone is free, but the replacement printer cartridges are really expensive. That's where they are going to get their employees.

I think . . . or something like that . . .

Re:They should expand the program (4, Insightful)

kervin (64171) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989202)

I'll use a Windows Mobile phone, too... if it's free. Sure as hell never paying for another device running WinCE, the most pointless operating system ever.

Wow, this is the entire content of a +5 Insightful post.

Could you at least give us a single piece of technical evidence to back that up? However anecdotal?

Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988582)

It's absolutely mind-boggling that Windows Phone 7 is missing some very fundamental features, like copy/paste, third-party multitasking, and universal search.

Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

In the past, competitors like Apple were lambasted by the public for not having such features, so you'd think Microsoft would take precautions not to repeat such mistakes.

You don't understand, Microsoft is adept at watching Apple do something right or make progress and then totally just think that they're different and special and therefore won't suffer from those problems.

What's worse, the rest of the smartphone world isn't slowing down, and with Windows Phone 7 not scheduled to launch till the holidays, the divide could get deeper.

It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve. So, unless you have a product name that causes people to hemorrhage cash [youtube.com] regardless of the features, you're doomed. Like the release of the Zune. Except it appears Windows Phone 7 doesn't even have an exclusive 'squirt' functionality.

Criticisms aside, there's a lot we like about Windows Phone 7. The Zune integration is killer, and the core apps are much improved.

Zune integration is 'killer' you say? That's going to do it, huh? Well, everybody who owns a Zune now has the option to integrate it. All five of them. And the core apps are much improved? After suffering from the ailments of IE6 you think I want any version of Internet Exploder on my goddamn mobile device? You're insane. I don't care how refined it is.

We also commend Microsoft for being able to acknowledge that its old OS wasn't working and taking a chance on rebuilding something from the ground up.

Really? You're telling me that Microsoft owned up to and acknowledge its old OS wasn't working? I've never known Microsoft to tell their customers that something is wrong.

Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988710)

Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

Indeed. Whilst people may have criticised the Apple Iphones for lacking these features (rightly so - just as we criticise any product lacking features, especially that other far cheaper bog standard products have had for years), there has also been plenty of defence of "But no one cares about these features" (or even, spinning it as a "good thing because it saves battery life" - event though the Iphones seem to guzzle battery life faster than other phones like Nokias), and in particular, the media seem to hype the Iphones at every opportunity, despite these lacking features.

Whether it matters from a consumer point of view, who knows - lacking these features may work for Apple, but then that's only if MS are also happy with a few per cent market share. But I find it interesting if the media are now going to criticise Microsoft because their phone lacks these features, when the Iphones got praised for it.

It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve.

It certainly works fine for Apple. As long as a company makes profit, why should it matter - that's what people say for Apple. If Apple can spend years adding features like 3G, copy/paste, multitasking etc, why the hurry for Microsoft?

Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage.

Well, if they get 100-97=3% of the market, they're as "doomed" as Apple :)

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989012)

But I find it interesting if the media are now going to criticise Microsoft because their phone lacks these features, when the Iphones got praised for it.

Okay, wait a minute. The iPhone didn't get praised for lacking copy/paste, it got panned for it. There were apps springing up on Cydia to hack the support into it. Blackberry users were calling the phone a bad joke. Apple did what it always does, which was to insist that it wasn't a big deal, right up until they released an OS for the phone that supported native copy/paste, and most people conceded that the debate was over.

The thing is, that OS update was over a year ago now, and the debate has now been over for a year.

Microsoft just doesn't have the kind of market goodwill that Apple does. If it releases a phone that is lacking that basic functionality, people will want to know what the hell MS has been doing all this time.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (5, Insightful)

qazwart (261667) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989220)

There is a concept in the marketing industry called "The Delta". The Delta is the thing your product has that not only distinguishes it from other products, but will get consumers to choose your product over the others -- despite other possible short comings.

The original iPhone came out without copy/paste, but it still offered some unique features that allowed people to "forgive" Apple on that aspect. The web browser, the interface, the coolness factor, etc. Apple claimed they didn't include copy/paste because they were trying to work out the way to have copy/paste on a touch interface without any menuing system. When the iPhone finally came out with copy/paste, most people praised it as simple, intuitive, and easy to use.

One problem with Windows 7 Phone is that the copy/paste issue has been solved. We know how to have a nice copy/paste interface. The other issue is that the Windows 7 Phone isn't unique. What's the "Delta" over the iPhone and Android phones? This isn't saying that Windows 7 Phone isn't competitive, but that whatever advantages it has must make people decide to buy the device over the iPhone which does come with copy/paste, 100K+ apps, a wide consumer environment, and its coolness factor.

If the Windows 7 Phone came out two years ago, it would be extremely competitive and people would be rushing out to buy it. As it stands now, it is just another app phone missing features that other app phones already have.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (4, Interesting)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989262)

You keep going on about Apple and features. I was involved with developing user training for the first gen iPhone and I can tell you, what features YOU want didn't make version one based on very careful market research and engineering tradeoffs.

It's not like Apple said, "nobody wants remote wipe so we aren't going to do it". Instead, they said, "we have X amount of schedule and Y amount of budget, so we have to decide what is more important to our target audience: a great iPod interface, or some dorky enterprise tools." And it's not like they just accidentally forgot to include copy/paste in the OS either--they practically invented copy/paste (they were the first to map them to their current keyboard shortcuts of command C and V, respectively).

In short, if you needed a business phone with enterprise features, you most likely already had a blackberry. If you wanted a consumer device that would suffice as a business phone (with limitations), then you might have bought an iPhone.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988730)

I don't care how refined it is.

In other words: I don't care how much MS does to step up their technology. I hate them and anything they do will not be good enough for me. I'm a raving fanboi with a chip on my shoulder and if you want an honest opinion of a product from a company that I hate you're not going to find it here.

I really wish they had an ignore button around here.

Assumptions Assumptions (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988820)

I don't care how refined it is. In other words: I don't care how much MS does to step up their technology.

Not true. I own an XBox360. I have a partition with a legit copy of Windows XP at home on one of my desktops. But I will never ever use IE again. I even get a little sick when I have to use IE to update XP. Firefox, Chrome, Opera I'll take anything over IE. Having had to develop to support IE6 for the longest time, I am jaded. I am biased. But if you get burned by something, you usually don't reward the company by continuing to use that product. This is how I feel about IE. I don't want it on my phone.

I hate them and anything they do will not be good enough for me.

No, I'm critical of them and everything they do. Similar to when I tear apart Google or Apple. They are big players with big resources and bigger responsibilities. They do get things right once in a while, this phone and the Zune were not done right in my opinion.

I'm a raving fanboi with a chip on my shoulder and if you want an honest opinion of a product from a company that I hate you're not going to find it here.

Well, to use either-you're-with-us-or-against-us-black-and-white extremes, I can't criticize anything around here without being accused of being a raving fanboi. And who am I a fanboi of exactly?

I really wish they had an ignore button around here.

Yeah, it's called your foes list. Log in, change your relationship with me to 'foe' and then add a foe modifier of -6. As long as you're logged in, you'll never see my posts again. Please, do us both a favor.

Re:Assumptions Assumptions (4, Funny)

qortra (591818) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988884)

But I will never ever use IE again. I even get a little sick when I have to use IE to update XP.

At one point, I memorized an FTP address for Mozilla so I wouldn't have to load IE to download Firefox on new installations.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988776)

Microsoft is adept at watching Apple do something right or make progress and then totally just think that they're different and special and therefore won't suffer from those problems.

More like they realize expectations are so much lower for them than for Apple that they just don't have to care about such problems.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (2, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989050)

It's absolutely mind-boggling that Windows Phone 7 is missing some very fundamental features, like copy/paste, third-party multitasking, and universal search.

Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

Whilst I agree with everything you say, for some bizzare reason lack of cut and paste doesn't seem to be as much of a deal breaker as we make out. It's implementation within the HTC Desire is a complete and utter disaster (tapping and holding can do at least 3 different possible things) and there is no cut and paste within the dedicated Gmail application and SMS.

For hilarity, text "the number is 07921 123456 bye" to someone with an HTC Desire and challenge them to call the number without resorting to memorising it or writing it down somewhere. Excluding the fact that you cannot copy the number, even if you could there is no way to paste it into the dialer.

Now I, like you, think this is an absolute deal-breaker and a shocking oversight (especially considering everyone else has managed cut and paste for years - even Apple has in the last two) yet the device still got rave reviews despite these fundamental flaws.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989068)

I've never known Microsoft to tell their customers that something is wrong.

In their defense, I think they actually did once. After years of denying that anything was wrong with Vista, they basically came out with 7 and said, "Ok, we know we screwed up before. Truth time: Our new OS is better, we promise."

Its not much, but they DID admit that vista sucked.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (1)

qortra (591818) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989084)

Zune integration is 'killer' you say? That's going to do it, huh? Well, everybody who owns a Zune now has the option to integrate it. All five of them.

Hah, that reminds me of a quote from Chuck:

Chuck: "Morgan, hey, uh, buddy do we carry any Rush CDs in the store?"
Morgan: "No need, I got 'em all on my Zune"
Chuck: "You have a Zune?"
Morgan: "Are you kidding me? No, no, I'll grab my iPod"

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (4, Interesting)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989088)

I have a hard time understanding why they are using the Windows brand for their phone OS. Does it share anything with their desktop OS? At this point (especially on a phone), the Windows brand has negative value. At least they didn't tack on a .net or live.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989090)

It's absolutely mind-boggling that Windows Phone 7 is missing some very fundamental features, like copy/paste, third-party multitasking, and universal search.

Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

In the past, competitors like Apple were lambasted by the public for not having such features, so you'd think Microsoft would take precautions not to repeat such mistakes.

You don't understand, Microsoft is adept at watching Apple do something right or make progress and then totally just think that they're different and special and therefore won't suffer from those problems.

What's worse, the rest of the smartphone world isn't slowing down, and with Windows Phone 7 not scheduled to launch till the holidays, the divide could get deeper.

It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve. So, unless you have a product name that causes people to hemorrhage cash [youtube.com] regardless of the features, you're doomed. Like the release of the Zune. Except it appears Windows Phone 7 doesn't even have an exclusive 'squirt' functionality.

Criticisms aside, there's a lot we like about Windows Phone 7. The Zune integration is killer, and the core apps are much improved.

Zune integration is 'killer' you say? That's going to do it, huh? Well, everybody who owns a Zune now has the option to integrate it. All five of them. And the core apps are much improved? After suffering from the ailments of IE6 you think I want any version of Internet Exploder on my goddamn mobile device? You're insane. I don't care how refined it is.

We also commend Microsoft for being able to acknowledge that its old OS wasn't working and taking a chance on rebuilding something from the ground up.

Really? You're telling me that Microsoft owned up to and acknowledge its old OS wasn't working? I've never known Microsoft to tell their customers that something is wrong.

Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage.

It's absolutely mind-boggling that Windows Phone 7 is missing some very fundamental features, like copy/paste, third-party multitasking, and universal search.

Absolutely mind-boggling you say? How about absolutely doomed?

In the past, competitors like Apple were lambasted by the public for not having such features, so you'd think Microsoft would take precautions not to repeat such mistakes.

You don't understand, Microsoft is adept at watching Apple do something right or make progress and then totally just think that they're different and special and therefore won't suffer from those problems.

What's worse, the rest of the smartphone world isn't slowing down, and with Windows Phone 7 not scheduled to launch till the holidays, the divide could get deeper.

It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve. So, unless you have a product name that causes people to hemorrhage cash [youtube.com] regardless of the features, you're doomed. Like the release of the Zune. Except it appears Windows Phone 7 doesn't even have an exclusive 'squirt' functionality.

Criticisms aside, there's a lot we like about Windows Phone 7. The Zune integration is killer, and the core apps are much improved.

Zune integration is 'killer' you say? That's going to do it, huh? Well, everybody who owns a Zune now has the option to integrate it. All five of them. And the core apps are much improved? After suffering from the ailments of IE6 you think I want any version of Internet Exploder on my goddamn mobile device? You're insane. I don't care how refined it is.

We also commend Microsoft for being able to acknowledge that its old OS wasn't working and taking a chance on rebuilding something from the ground up.

Really? You're telling me that Microsoft owned up to and acknowledge its old OS wasn't working? I've never known Microsoft to tell their customers that something is wrong.

Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage.

Dude, shut the f**k up. What do you know about OS dev? Was iPhone having this feature in their first release? Did you say the same for iPhone when iPod was integrated to it. You all apple fanboys are whinny babies.

MS history of releasing products behind the curve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989116)

It's called releasing a phone that's already behind the curve.

When MS released Internet Explorter, it was way behind the curve where Netscape's browser was dominating.

Now look where IE sits in the "market".

Never underestimate MS's ability to turn a product's market stance around.... especially if the 800 pound gorilla chooses a way to shove it forcefully down everyone's throats.

Re:Gir's Analysis: Doom, Doom, Doom (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989130)

"Long story short this product is doomed with a 97% confidence of certain doomage."

Well, perhaps avoid doom if it gets rooted, then people can load Android on it. Make it a good phone.

But only to true employees (2, Insightful)

ion++ (134665) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988602)

But only to true employees, not to temps and interns.

Re:But only to true employees (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988666)

But only to true employees, not to temps and interns.

Actually, true employees get a WP7 phone.

Temps and interns get 2 WP7 phones, and a dozen KINs

Re:But only to true employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989366)

Or contractors.

Remember, out of that 90k employees, about 99% of them - the people that actually do the work while the FTE's drink all day and sexually molest the cute underage interns - are contractors or other forms of "dash trash", as the FTE's call us.

Human rights (0, Troll)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988616)

I truly hope they aren't forced to actually use them.

I can imagine the poor microsofties (I wonder what their gfs and wives think of the name) having to hide in the bathroom to use their Android phones.

Amnesty international should investigate this.

Hey! A solution would be to open the w7phones, empty them and put an old htc inside! That way not only they'd reduce employee suicide but it may become marketable!

Re:Human rights (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988736)

Old HTCs are Windows Mobile-only, they only started making Android phones last year. And Windows Mobile is the wost mobile phone OS out there.

Eating your own dog food? (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988624)

Microsoft's strategy sounds good in theory, but if in practice their own employees ends up not liking or using their free phones, how would that look for them? Only time will tell.

Re:Eating your own dog food? (2, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988648)

Maybe Microsoft is interested in finding out who uses it, how and why and likewise from the non-users. I don't understand what the big stir is about a company using it's own product and looking for employee feedback.

Re:Eating your own dog food? (2, Funny)

Keebler71 (520908) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988842)

Maybe MS just wants to find out if there are any major design flaws before releasing it to the public... say... like an antenna design flaw... booyaa!

Re:Eating your own dog food? (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988954)

Good point. The last thing Steve Ballmer wants is to lose a call and have Steve Jobs pop out from behind a tree, pointing as he yells a Nelson Monts style "HA HA!"

Re:Eating your own dog food? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989048)

Apple tried that too, but it seems their employees weren't able to keep their iphones for long enough without losing them...

It will be ridiculed here (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988632)

but, I think the interface is very sleek and my company develops business applications to Mobile devices and I am in the group to develop applications for Windows Phone 7. The application interface is pretty good and we recently got couple of those Samsung devices to test our applications and it does do a good job. No doubt this current version of OS do not provide support for SQL-CE DB or multi-tasking or even copy & paste. But .net provides pretty good infrastructure to concoct a rudimentary in-memory db for our case. Other things would have been really useful for what we do. Despite these deficiencies I think, this is a pretty good OS and good UI from MS.

Front-end and shared back-end? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988806)

What is the best practice for writing a cross-platform smartphone application?

I understand that an app will need a different front-end playing to the strengths of each platform. But one of the advantages of the model-view-controller [wikipedia.org] or multitier [wikipedia.org] pattern is supposed to be that that platform-specific front-ends can share one generic back-end containing all the business logic. But it appears that the runtime environments don't share support for popular programming languages that could be used for the back-end. Apps for other major smartphone platforms are written in Java (BlackBerry, Android), standard C++ (Maemo/MeeGo), or Objective-C++ (iPhone). Standard C++ and Objective-C++ do not compile to verifiably memory-safe CIL, and J# is no longer updated. Silverlight apps are expected to be written in C#, Visual Basic, C++/CLI with the /clr:safe switch (whose syntax for handles is incompatible with standard C++'s syntax for pointers), or another .NET language.

Oh, I get it. Microsoft wants apps to be developed for and only for WP7.

Re:Front-end and shared back-end? (1)

benjymous (69893) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988908)

Android supports C++ too, so your best bet is to develop the core in C++, with java and obj-c frontends for Android and iPhone, and just pretend that the MS platform doesn't exist.

Or go mad with #define trickery to make your C++ code compile under CLI

Re:Front-end and shared back-end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989074)

...and just pretend that the MS platform doesn't exist.

I am fascinated by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Preprocessor to handle C++ vs. C++/CLI (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989358)

Or go mad with #define trickery to make your C++ code compile under CLI

I'm interested. Can you recommend a web page that describes how to set up a suitable header file to make a single C++ translation unit compile in /clr:safe and unmanaged modes?

Re:It will be ridiculed here (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988912)

Have some more Kool-Aid.

True Test (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988634)

This is one of those "lead a horse to water" things. You can give your employees a phone, but you can't make them actually use it. If it's a crappy device no one will use it, no matter how cheap.

Call the employee daily (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988690)

You can give your employees a phone, but you can't make them actually use it.

Call the employee on each day when the employee is scheduled to work. If the employee doesn't pick up, record it as an absence.

What about all of their iPhones? (1)

Supacon (237936) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988640)

Is there a requirement that all of their iPhones must be given to Steve Ballmer to stomp on?

Watch out ebay (1)

javilon (99157) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988644)

There will go straight to ebay and the money from the sale used to buy android terminals :-)

Re:Watch out ebay (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989138)

You beat me to it!

Coming soon: 89,999 windows phones on eBay. All except the one from the guy that actually likes windows 7 mobile.

I wouldn't like that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988656)

I'd prefer a Rolex like Domino's issued for good employees:
Look here [google.com]

GM did something similar in the late 90s (5, Informative)

DG (989) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988660)

One of the perks of working for an auto company is the ability to lease a car at a drastically reduced rate. And once you reach a certain salary level, the auto company "pays" the lease so the car is effectively free.

There are controls - Chrysler, for example, wouldn't give employees Vipers or Prowlers - but there was a pretty broad selection of cars to choose from.

Except for a period in the late 90s/early oughts where the only GM company car was the Pontiac Aztek.

I'd drive past their plants/offices in Detroit and the employee parking lot was solid Azteks.

<NELSON>Ha-ha!</NELSON>

DG

Re:GM did something similar in the late 90s (2, Informative)

SonnyDog09 (1500475) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989186)

Those upper level auto employees are "evaluating" the vehicles, so that doesn't count as part of their compensation. They don't pay tax on the value of the vehicle, because they are "evaluating" it. Of course, when I was at Ford, the big shots were all "evaluating" Jags and Land Rovers, while lesser mortals got to evaluate Tauruses. If the company was really mad at you, you got to "evaluate" a lime green Escort.

Who's going to pay for the service plan? (2, Interesting)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988676)

I'm sure employees aren't going to use the phone without service, and if MS is going to pay for all of their service plans, it's going to cost them quite a bit!

Re:Who's going to pay for the service plan? (1)

benjymous (69893) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988850)

They'd be unlocked phones, though, so presumably people could just stick the SIM from their existing phone into it.

(At which point the phone's death claws grab hold of the SIM never to let it go again! Mwahahaaha!)

Re:Who's going to pay for the service plan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989324)

It's actually brilliant:

1. Give the windows 7 phone to all your employees

2. Downscale because of economic crisis and sack half of them

3. The (now ex-)employees want to keep in touch with their ex-colleagues so will continue to produce revenue, in the form of phone bills

4. ???

5. Profit!

Eat their dog food. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988694)

This is a good move, at least in that people at Microsoft will get to eat their own dog food (at least while they are at MS campus) and hopefully they can show some issues with the interface.

OTOH, I can imagine the majority of them will just leave their phone laying on their desk.

To thank their employees, heh (2, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988714)

A Microsoft spokesman confirmed the move, explaining that the idea is to "thank" employees for all their work, and make sure that they have experience with Windows Phone 7 devices.

I bet they can't wait to receive this gift.

Re:To thank their employees, heh (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989462)

Unless they run paperless offices, or have non-opening windows, there will always be one use for a Windows phone...

I can't wait ...... (3, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988746)

I can't wait until someone jailbreaks them and comes up with a way of running Android

Stupid (5, Insightful)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988762)

So, how can Microsoft guarantee its Windows Phone 7 devices will enjoy broader adoption than the ill-fated Kin? By giving every Microsoft employee a free one, that's how

I'm sorry but this is a stupid statement and a stupid article. Apple gives a large number of it's employees an iPhone and Google gives a large number of its an Android phone. It's call "eating your own dog food".

In addition they get a friendly pool of testers who can give them instant feedback (and probably quite detailed given that they'll naturally try to use it with the products they are managing) on the devices in real world situations (such as bugs, issues, integration with web services, exchange support) and can also simulate some scenarios (such large scale remote activation, wipe and locate) far better than a couple of devices in a lab can.

Finally, if you're a manufacturer of a product, it doesn't look very good if your employees all use your competitors does it? Whenever I've dealt with a Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Apple, HTC or LG rep I've never seen them use anything but their own phones and I'd be concerned about the statement they are making if they did.

Re:Stupid (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989424)

It's call "eating your own dog food".

It's boggling to me that this seems to have gone over the head of most of the people responding to this article.

In addition to everything you said being true, they're also giving their phone to (mostly) a bunch of developers. It wouldn't surprise me if some of them end up writing (as hobby/side projects) whatever key apps are available for Android/iPhone that Windows phone doesn't have -- and I assume there are a lot of them.

Marketing Ploy? (1)

TheRedDuke (1734262) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988766)

You don't suppose this is a genius marketing strategy to get their devices into as many people's hands as possible, blow them away with the features, get them dependent, that way they'll want to buy a Kin2?

Oh right. This is one of those "real" failures. Never mind.

Talk about low expectation mother-f@ckers. (0, Troll)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988812)

So, 90,000 phones will be a "success"?

Well, sure, it's more than 10x the number of KINs that were sold - but at least those were actual sales, even if they lost $100,000 per sale. Not some "here, use this phone - your job review is coming up."

You're an employee and you want to sue Microsoft? Refuse to give up your iPhone. Microsoft can no more tie your job review to you giving up an iPhone than GM can fire you for driving a Ford.

  1. Get fired for refusing to give up iPhone
  2. Litigate
  3. PROFIT!

Of course, it's all moot - Ballmer won't be at Microsoft much longer.

Zune Haters (-1, Offtopic)

Zequel (1696314) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988816)

I'll admit, Microsoft has screwed the pooch when it comes to Mobile but I own a Zune HD and actually really like it. Have any of you Zune haters actually used them?? I don't need the Zune to do much special besides music and video, free games,WiFi and HD radio are gravy. I actually would love to see WM7 do well since I develop in .NET but it ain't gonna happen. It would have to have REALLY great innovative features that other phones don't have to win any market share at this point. Android is the future imo, loving my Droid X, just switched from an iPhone 3GS.

Re:Zune Haters (2, Insightful)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989386)

Have any of you Zune haters actually used them??

Here's the problem. Unlike the iPod, where I can go to any electronics store and try one out, Zunes are always in a box, behind a glass case, or there's a fake one used for display. And since I don't know anybody who actually owns one, I've never been able to try one out.

Microsoft Marketing (2, Insightful)

helix2301 (1105613) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988840)

This is a great move by Microsoft. They are getting the phone exposure while giving employees incentive. Plus this is great PR for Microsoft on the employee side and on the public image side.

Well deserved. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32988856)

After all the good work they've done, I think it's only a matter of justice that they receive a product as good as the ones they make.

Windows Mobile is a pain in the ass! (3, Interesting)

JakFrost (139885) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988864)

I've been using this so-called OS for a while and I am quite positive that when Microsoft made the move from the unstable, bluescreening, freezing, and crashing Windows 95/98/ME 16-bit kernel to the stable Windows NT 3.51/4.0/XP/2000 32-bit kernel they had to do something with the 16-bit operating system developers so they made them all work on Windows Mobile! This is the only logical explanation as to why Windows Mobile sucks so bad, freezes so often, crashes every week, and manages to screw up my phone ever few months on its own corrupting all data... for the last three Windows Mobile phones that I owned. All builds of Windows Mobile 6.5.5 are so horrible from one to another with major changes to the GUI and lack of stability that I have had to downgrade my phone back to 6.5.0 to get some stability and usefulness out of the phone.

Windows Mobile 7 is now made incompatible with 6.5 and earlier versions just sounds like Microsoft is trying to push OS/2 on people by calling it better than Windows 3.11 without the compatibility shims.

I'm just looking for a new Google Android based phone to come out on a CDMA (US - Sprint, Verizon) network that has GSM capabilities with a SIM card and a full-size keyboard, such as the HTC Touch Pro 2 that I currently have to use and endure the Windows Mobile crap. Once that is out I'm ditching Windows Mobile forever!

Philosophical question (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988882)

If a MS employee leaves his MS phone prototype in a bar and no blogger considers it even worth stealing, does it make a ring?

Better deal than Barnes and Noble (1)

GarryFre (886347) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988918)

Their stupid ad offered a free cappuccino if you bought their overpriced reader and organic roach killer - Hold six inches over roach, release, repeat as needed.

JUST ANNOUNCED! (1)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988936)

Google has just announced it will be giving away a free DROID system to any person who uses google.

Take that MS!

I think we are hasty here... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988970)

Honestly, I think the phone has potential. They don't fix their problems and as stated, it's dead on arrival.

But it's got a 50/50 shot out of the gate, and depending on the hardware vendors and things... that's a huge part of the battle. Android did well because they have some really good hardware partners.

I'll have my Samsung Vibrant (T-Mobile) next week or so, so I'll be waiting it out as well. Not dying for a WinMo7 phone, but I am interested to see the launch products.

I think it is great (2, Insightful)

rinoid (451982) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988974)

But why is this news? I mean, go figure, a company gives it's own employees a device it makes in house. Does this warrant discussion at /.?

Cruel and unusual punishment (2, Funny)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#32988986)

Seriously call your union reps. No one should be treated in this way in a modern workplace.

Both Apple and Google did this with their phones (1)

kervin (64171) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989132)

Apple gave away the original IPhone and Google did so as well.

I'm sure the other phone makers have similar employee incentives.

How exactly is this news? Or some sought of new idea by MSFT?

Windows 7 mobile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989136)

This means that the actual market size of the Windows 7 phone will be exactly 90,000 phones!

Just another Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989226)

Cool so that means windows can claim they have over 90,000 phones in use. I bet more than half of them end up on ebay... Its sad how poor Windows products are these days.

This is a great business strategy (1)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989274)

This is an awesome business strategy - with this many Microsoft workers seeing how flawed this device is will hopefully prevent future... ehh who am I kidding... they are there for the paychecks... not to create quality products.

A little late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989390)

Probably a lot of them already have iPhones and Android phones.

In other news... (1)

jjl (514061) | more than 3 years ago | (#32989398)

Microsoft reports over 90,000 preorders already for its new forthcoming Windows Phone 7.

will they give up their iphones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#32989416)

I went to PDC last year, 80% of the microsoft people i met there were using iphones as their personal phones, would they require a switch?

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