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Porn Sites Still Exposed In China

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the burning-firewall-of-love dept.

Censorship 132

crimeandpunishment writes "Could it be that internet censorship in China has a pecking order? Politics and human rights are bad — but porn is okay? The porn sites that suddenly popped up in China two months ago are still accessible, leaving people wondering if it's a change in policy, a glitch, or maybe a test by the Chinese Internet police. The Chinese government isn't saying, but one Internet analyst speculates, 'Maybe they are thinking that if Internet users have some porn to look at, then they won't pay so much attention to political matters.'"

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132 comments

It works in the US (5, Insightful)

SquarePixel (1851068) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021466)

'Maybe they are thinking that if Internet users have some porn to look at, then they won't pay so much attention to political matters.'

Hollywood and all other kind of crappy entertainment is the best example of how to keep people from thinking too much about issues that actually matter. US people mostly care about the results of the latest American Idol episode or the latest celebrity gossip. Just see the difference between CNN and Al Jazeera front page [tinypic.com] .

However porn is not a political issue. It's a cultural and religion issue. It was banned in the US too, you can still get years in jail for "obscene porn" and people go mad if there's a nipple in the TV (anyone remember Janet Jackson nipple slip?)

But culture is slowly changing in the China too and this just follows it.

Re:It works in the US (2)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021514)

I thought it was if the populace is jerking off to porn, they're not making real babies. And with all those men who are unable to find women, maybe the porn will be a distraction.

Re:It works in the US (1)

SquarePixel (1851068) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021550)

I thought it was if the populace is jerking off to porn, they're not making real babies. And with all those men who are unable to find women, maybe the porn will be a distraction.

Yeah, because China with their one baby per couple law is really short on population.

Re:It works in the US (5, Informative)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021690)

I believe what the grandparent is referring to is the unbalancing of the genders due to the One Child Per Family policy and the cultural preference to have a male as opposed to a female. Since there are currently more males than females reaching sexual maturity, the government is likely worried about the social unrest this will cause since it means that the men will be unable to find a wife to start a family with.

There have been a number of articles about this in recent months and some scholars are speculating that China will encourage immigration from other countries to even up the ratio or perhaps even enact policy that will encourage the migration of the men for the same reasons. Likewise, some NGOs are worried that there will be an increase in prostitution in China since the demand will go up among men who are unable to find wives.

Re:Exporting the Male Population Surplus (1)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022012)

isn't really a bad choice if you want your culture and language to eventually dominate the world. Mandarin currently exceeds English as a spoken language by population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers).
It's hardly a representational sample by any stretch of the imagination, but where I work at the moment we have at least 6 out of the 10 drivers who are from mainland China and living here in Canada at the moment. Most of them want to get Canadian citizenship eventually, some already have.
I would guess that in a few hundred years we will be down to only a few surviving languages, with Mandarin in 1st place and English in 2nd or vice versa. The Internet is only speeding up the death of minor languages I am sure, and we lose a couple of world language every month, as the last native speakers die off (http://www.globalwatchtower.com/2008/02/20/intl-mother-language/). Of the remaining 6-7 thousand human languages, half or so may be gone in 30 years. As that takes place I imagine the process will accelerate. Once we lose a language, we lose an entire mode of human thinking and way of viewing the world.
Unfortunately for us English speakers, Mandarin is much harder to learn than English is for Mandarin speakers :P

Re:Exporting the Male Population Surplus (2, Informative)

iNaya (1049686) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023096)

Unfortunately for us English speakers, Mandarin is much harder to learn than English is for Mandarin speakers :P

I disagree. Mandarin isn't a very hard language. Chinese writing, however, is very much harder than English writing to learn... But even then, once you have a thousand characters or so down, the rest are a lot easier to learn.

Re:Exporting the Male Population Surplus (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023792)

Unfortunately for us English speakers, Mandarin is much harder to learn than English is for Mandarin speakers :P

Isn't that fortunate? Because it makes it more likely that English wins.

Doubtful on the prostitution issue. (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024138)

Men generally do not marry for sex. Not in the USA, not in Asia, not anywhere. If a man has a wife he's still going to see the prostitute. And in Asian history it was common for a man to have multiple wives.

So the prostitution issue is completely separate from all of this. They should legalize prostitution so that it's safe and expect prostitution to be popular in every country with married or unmarried men.

Re:Doubtful on the prostitution issue. (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 3 years ago | (#33025006)

So the prostitution issue is completely separate from all of this. They should legalize prostitution so that it's safe and expect prostitution to be popular in every country with married or unmarried men.

You don't think women want male prostitutes also?

Re:It works in the US (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024862)

Why would anyone worry about a rise in prostitution? One should celebrate it!
              And just how sane can a massively over populated nation such as China be if it desires immigration? It would be far more sane if they just ran wild in the streets until most of the population was dead. Over population is by far the greatest of all perils facing all of us.

Nope... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021714)

It used to be religion that was the opiate of the masses. Now, it's porn. I guess there's probably a lot to be said for that...

Re:Nope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022332)

We're fucked?

Re:Nope... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022390)

No, someone else is, but at least we get to watch.

What about religious porn? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024158)

Nobody even considers that. What did they call that? Courtly love?

Re:It works in the US (2, Insightful)

FunPika (1551249) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021546)

Welcome to the country where the general populace will consider Tiger Woods saying something at a press conference to be breaking news and what is happening in Washington, the Middle East, and the Gulf of Mexico to not even be front page worthy. :D

Not sure. Maybe. Maybe not. (5, Interesting)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021794)

1. For a start I'm not sure if government regulation in China is as much bowing to the general culture, as just basically trying to shape it into something that's not threatening the status quo.

Traditionalism and "we're holier than the West" has been the battlecry of just about every tin-horn dictator or clique/junta. E.g., you only have to look at Eastern Europe to see a bunch of countries who were on one hand chest-thumpingly secular, yet played the sanctity of the family card worse than the stereotypical bible-thumping fundies. The general idea when you want to keep a bunch of people in line, seems to be along the lines of (A) don't change what works, as long as "works" means us being at the top, (A1) new ideas are bad, (B) the West is actually a place of oppression and scary depravity and generally all the evils imaginable, and only a degenerate would take ideas from them. Because ultimately appeal to tradition and xenophobia is all anyone has to support why nobody should even think of newfangled stuff like multi-party elections or uncensored press.

(Well, other than "and we'll shoot you if you disagree", but that tends to make people unhappy if it's the official doctrine as opposed to just the subtext.)

So basically all I'm saying is that China really doesn't have much choice but to at least pretend it's against it. Because it has to be against just about everything the West does differently. It can't go and admit, "you know, America had a lot of good ideas. What a country!" because then it gives more people the idea "so why don't we try to be more like them?" And by now that wouldn't be just bad for the party at the top, but for the whole pyramid of corrupt kleptocrats bribing them too. I bet just the idea for example that those workers demanding rights instead of sticking to the Chinese way, is probably making a few sphincters clench so hard they turn shit into diamonds.

2. That something continues to exist in a corrupt system, well, I wouldn't necessarily take it as official acknowledgement that it's ok. The modus operandi in just about any corrupt system is that you can get away with just about anything if you bribe the right people or are related to them, and it doesn't directly piss off someone higher than them. (So political opposition is still basically out.) Occasionally they'll need to make a spectacular example of someone, but half the time it'll be of those who didn't bribe enough, and the other half it's just the cost of doing business.

So basically what the Chinese government may be really thinking about those sites might actually be more along the lines of "oh, that one is operated by comrade Chang's son-in-law, the other one is by Wang's best buddy, and that other one is paying the bribes fair and square." Occasionally some big speech will be made condemning them, a few of the small fish who thought it's ok for them too will be make a public example of, and life will continue. And occasionally Chang or Wang will fall from grace for other reasons and their protege will be made an example of too, just as a mean of extra revenge, or so Wang's or Chang's successor will seem all intransigent and tough on crime (which will almost invariably mean: to make some room for his own proteges.) And again life will continue like before.

Re:Not sure. Maybe. Maybe not. (3, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021932)

It doesn't even really have to be something "ominous", etc.; from to time something nice gets through. My place was behind the Iron Curtain, but not many people realize today (even / especially locally) that we actually had...reasonably decent, given the circumstances, freedom of speech. You could say really a lot, as long as it was in in the right place and time - most notably cabarets or concerts; almost openly treated by the regime as some sort of venting area. Not much different, perhaps even in slightly better style, than free speech zones / First Amendment Zones.

Re:It works in the US (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022004)

its very telling when a drama about the US president election gets more attention then the real one.

Re:It works in the US (1)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024934)

Panem et circenses [wikipedia.org] has always worked, and probably always will.

Censoring porn is an American thing (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021488)

It's not nearly as big a deal in much of the rest of the world, seemingly including China.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021922)

Censoring porn is an American thing

It's not nearly as big a deal in much of the rest of the world, seemingly including China.

It is actually a Japanese thing.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (1)

Cap'nPedro (987782) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021926)

Except for in Japan, where they pixellate all the good bits.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022044)

Except for in Japan, where they pixellate all the good bits.

My understanding is that these rules stem from the US postwar occupation.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023754)

Not to mention that changes to those rules have been made in the past decade, and the industry is still apparently voluntarily maintaining the stricter old versions of the rules.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022114)

Actually, porn is a crime in China and it's supposedly quite strictly enforced, at least IRL.
Something I also noticed when I visited Shanghai a couple of months ago.

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (2, Funny)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022172)

I think it's a neat trick. It's a shot across America's puritanical bow while serving its prurient cravings.. And it will be a data miner's wet dream... hehehe

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022182)

That's a fine theory and all, includes the standard America thrashing and whatnot. Pretty standard stuff but effective nevertheless.

Unfortunately, China has a history of implementing a national firewall and blocking porn. The US does not. Any slashdotter worth their salt knows this, so what exactly are you thinking?

Re:Censoring porn is an American thing (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022388)

Censoring porn is an American thing

That's because we've spent too much time listening to the bible thumping religous right. Their morals and beliefs are their own and I for one welcome our new porn bearing overlords.

The Romans did it (5, Interesting)

david@ecsd.com (45841) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021510)

Bread and Circuses works world wide.

Re:The Romans did it (0, Redundant)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021750)

Except our circuses are internets, and our bread is porn.

Re:The Romans did it (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021994)

or in this age, fast food and mma on pay pr view.

Re:The Romans did it (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022054)

or in this age, fast food and mma on pay pr view.

I know, it's so lame. If they expect us to be pliant sheep, the least they could do is give is real bloodsport, not the watered down "sports" we have today. Sports without real-world consequences is like kissing your sister. I want deaths.

Re:The Romans did it (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022238)

I want deaths.

:-) I'm sure there's some war footage that could satisfy your tastes... Place your bets on who gets shot first... It would be a bit more difficult to rig than your regular stadium sports there. Gladiators gone wild... Or an Animal Planet program on warriors in their natural element. See the ten year old get his brains splattered on the wall while his sister's cadaver smolders nearby.. fun for the whole family.

Attn mods: Please make sure your sarcasm meter is functionating properly before hitting the button... aiieeet?

Re:The Romans did it (1)

bar-agent (698856) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022610)

Bread and Circuses works world wide.

Don't you mean "broads and circuses?"

Jews control a majority of entertainment, & po (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023400)

That should say bread, and shiskas. If you have ever been to STATE OF ISRAEL (New Canaan) then you will know what I mean, because Talmud laws says that goy (non-jews) are both repulsive and the enemy of the Synagogue of Sha'tan yet the jewish armies all import prostitutes from Russia and Jeurope by preference.

Jews haven't been able to control circuses (in English, we say church, 'circus' is a latin word) ever since Protestantism, but they are creeping-up to control everything. Many forget that the ruiner and rebuilder of Islam was a 26 year-old jew named Mohammad that was asked by a 40 year-old Catholic Nun (daughter is Fatima, a Catholic-celebrated holyday).

a Jewish Illuminati-Freemason of the Synagogue of Sha'tan, "Albert Pike" created KKK to lure whites into hating other races for momentary reasons of social poverty.

The outposts that jews haven't been able to infiltrate have so-far been Christian Identity (Odinism) and Covenanters-sect religions (the contra competitor to Druidic religions). I say that heavily because it's only the past 130 years that jews have been invading the nations America to destroy Baptists and Protestants to claim that Jesus Christ is a jew despite what the Catholic Church has said otherwise. Catholics theirselves have always been a corruptible sort; all their recent popes have been Polish Jews hell-bent on destroying all denominations around them.

Or more ominously (3, Interesting)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021516)

Or more ominously, if the Internet is strongly associated with porn, it will delegitimize the Internet for political education, organization, and action. "Honey, are you on that Internet again?"

Re:Or more ominously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021552)

That argument works backwards, you know. In the U.S. and other western countries, there is a desire to rid the internet of such base diversions . . . . because the internet is more valued, perhaps?

Re:Or more ominously (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021954)

Just like it happened at our places? Wait...

Re:Or more ominously (1)

nu1x (992092) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022262)

> "Honey, are you on that Internet again?"

In Asian countries, contrary to Western, the wife usually gets no say.

Malware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021532)

There's a correlation between porn sites and drive-by downloads of malware. Given the amount of malicious Internet activity that points back to China, it would not surprise me if the porn sites are tolerated because they allow the Chinese hackers to infect computers and then see if they found any interesting computers to exploit. For their own people, they can teach some lessons... for foreigners, they can do espionage.

Re:Malware (1, Informative)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021914)

1:http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/06/30/1618216/Regular-Domains-Have-More-Malware-Than-Porn-Sites?from=rss
Regular Domains Have More Malware Than Porn Sites

2:
China is not the source of all hackers or malware.
the USA is still the main source of spam and almost certainly still the main source of malware.
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/04/28/us-still-main-source-of-spam [webpronews.com]

Cut out the racist crap.
China is no worse when it comes to hackers than the US.

Porn as a human right (1, Funny)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021534)

The communist party must not think access to porn is a human right or they would have taken it away.

Re:Porn as a human right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33024334)

You've got your right to wank off.
Unless you prefer to use left hand.

Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proffit (5, Interesting)

kaptink (699820) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021538)

If you think about it, China is a very big market for porn. Considering there is no competition what so ever and the shear size of the population, it must be extremely proffitable for those who can get in there even if for a few weeks, days or even hours. So if an owner of a handfull of porn sites is able to keep from being filtered, perhaps by a sizable under the counter bribe, then they still stand to make a lot of money. Either way it shows that whoever is in charge of looking after the filter is either corrupt or incompitent and thus a very good argument to why the whole idea is very bad in the first place.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (3, Interesting)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021656)

If you think about it, China is a very big market for porn. Considering there is no competition what so ever and the shear size of the population, it must be extremely proffitable for those who can get in there even if for a few weeks, days or even hours. So if an owner of a handfull of porn sites is able to keep from being filtered, perhaps by a sizable under the counter bribe, then they still stand to make a lot of money. Either way it shows that whoever is in charge of looking after the filter is either corrupt or incompitent and thus a very good argument to why the whole idea is very bad in the first place.

Don't forget gender imbalance either. Due to families preferring boys (and widespread abortion when it turns out it's going to be a girl) now China has a 120:100 male to female ratio. So yes, China is a huge market for porn indeed...

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021808)

...now China has a 120:100 male to female ratio.

Yep. They don't seem to "get it" that the one-child policy combined with a cultural preference for male children is going to get in the way of any ambition they might entertain for "world domination" of any kind.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021852)

no what they have is 120 million "boys" of which a good chunk are in the right age to serve in the rank and file military and have no chance of finding a wife (unless they have some truely epic bonuses).

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021916)

no what they have is 120 million "boys" of which a good chunk are in the right age to serve in the navy and have no chance of finding a wife (unless they have some truely epic bonuses).

FTFY

Hello thailor!

Simplify your fractions! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33024074)

China has a 120:100 male to female ratio.

Why on earth would you write the ratio that way? 120:100 = 6:5, so 1 in 6 males cannot find a partner (neglecting variation in age distribution and sexual preference, of course).

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (2, Interesting)

wel5hmn (1713194) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024272)

I work in a foreign language school in the uk which caters mainly to Chinese students looking to learn English for further education in English speaking countries over the last 4 years we have seen a shift from mainly boys (about 70%) to the majority being girls.While this only shows what well off families are investing more in there daughters it is as I say only a small section in of the population.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (3, Interesting)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021812)

All of successful China is corrupt. Not saying the US isn't too, but there it's more blatant. This is the country you have to pay around $30,000 to graduate your university on top of what you just payed for 4 years of school payable to some random person who will "make it happen". Not to mention you end up paying someone for the privilege of working for them (certainly keeps turnover down!). Not a single bit of what goes on over there is shocking or surprising. It's just par the course. Corruption is built into their culture. This sadly coming from someone who actually likes China, and thinks it's a nice place to go, and would live there if not for the insane amount of corruption.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (3, Insightful)

hackingbear (988354) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022604)

The differences between China and US on corruption is that: in China, corruption is widespread from top officials to illiterate migrant workers but it is mostly illegal and can get you executed; whereas in the US, it is not as widespread, concentrated among the top offices, but is mostly made legal by carefully packaging it as legal activities -- donation, lobbying -- under the name of the democracy.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021876)

Chinese don't pay for porn though. I don't know if it's a cultural thing about buying stuff online or just the lack of means to pay. Credit cards are not as widely available, and many US credit card processors will deny transactions from certain countries due to high risk of fraud. Most webmasters, porn or not, consider traffic from China to be a waste of bandwidth. Hopefully it will change because it indeed is a huge untapped marked.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023492)

No they won't. You can't be profitable unless people buy your stuff. Chinese people won't buy you porn because they don't have enough disposable income. Even if they had, there are no payment processors willing to work with credit cards from China.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023768)

"No they won't. You can't be profitable unless people buy your stuff. "

You buy with views/clicks. That's how almost all profitable websites have operated since the 90s.

Re:Keep your sites from the filter for a day=proff (1)

ignavus (213578) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024626)

If you think about it, China ... the shear size of the population

You 're right. I'd never thought about that.

Shearing the population of China is a huge task.

Slashdot makes you think, doesn't it?

The government (5, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021560)

You have to realize that in China, the government is like the weather. It just sort of happens and nobody can do anything about it. Everyone's getting along fine, and the all the sudden one day, boom, a new policy is published and everything is turned upside down. There's no public discussions, no hints on what's in the pipeline, just the final policy. In my city, one day, boom, they banned motorcycles. The announcement was made through the pro-government media, and you had 30 days to figure out how to manage life without your crotch rocket. They changed a law that greatly affected truck taxi drivers, and there were actual protests, a thing that happens a lot more than you'd think in China. (protesting against the government is seen as a right-wing act and has been banned since the founding of the People's Republic).

Everything to do with the GFW is strange, too, because it's secret. They don't even bother to announce policies. Probably some faction of the Information Ministry (it used to be much cooler when it was called the Propaganda Ministry) won a power struggle against some other faction. If porn is unblocked, yay, better for me. I hate VPNs, I have never had a reliable experience with one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. VPNs also have terrible connectivity to sites inside China, which is where I spend a lot of my working time. Besides, it's just cooler to browse the web with a .cn IP address.

Re:The government (-1, Flamebait)

XanC (644172) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021704)

Meanwhile we were promised plenty of time for bills to be posted on the Internet for our feedback before votes. That sure went by the wayside fast. Now we get 2,000 pages of laws, which "must be passed so that we can find out what's in them", passed by the ruling class from on high. Sounds an awful lot like what you described.

PRC govt. policies have no upper bound in madness (1)

billyswong (1858858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022650)

You reminded me of the twitter mock in China just blocked JiangNanXi in their search function. Just today people in Canton (or GuangDong province you may call) assembled together in JiangNanXi Road protesting for the attempts of elimination of Cantonese from Canton. The government first suggested an elimination of Cantonese from local TV programmes and then a famous general born in Canton several hundred years ago had his punch line removed from his statue in a park. Meanwhile some elementary schools are found to be prohibiting students from speaking Cantonese since quite some times ago. Youngsters start to feel their own culture and traditions threatened.

What make things more silly is, it is a common knowledge among linguists that Cantonese, compared to Mandarin, is more matching in rhyme for reading old poems written in Tang and Song Dynasties (more than 1000 years ago). And while the government always calls Cantonese a dialect, Cantonese and Mandarin are not mutually intelligible, sometimes even difference in grammar. (Those pro-government bodies even use the lack of mutual intelligibility as a reason to further push their Mandarin, to "accommodate" for people from other provinces.) You should smell something wrong now...

The difference between a dialect and a language (1)

tehdaemon (753808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023760)

The difference between a dialect and a language has always been more of a political and cultural question than one of linguistics. If the Roman Empire had survived until today in western europe, French, Spanish and Italian (as spoken today!) would be latin dialects, not languages. (That is about how different Mandarin and Cantonese are)

That 'wrong' stink you smell? it is called nationalism, a modern variant of the human tribal instinct. Take a good sniff, you should be able to smell it in your own nation now too. (I am assuming you aren't in China - I could be wrong about that...)

Re:The government (1)

internettoughguy (1478741) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024246)

Yea, It's more or less the same in democratic countries though, I mean the current government decided to hike the "danger levies" (ACC) of motorcycles by a factor of four, effectively pricing many out of what was an economical and somewhat "green" mode of transport. I realise that I must sound like a spoilt child comparing a liberal democracy to a Maoist/Lenninist/ect totalitarian state, but to me it's really more of an issue of the scope of government than who is entitled to make the laws.

I will admit though that it is harder to fuck over the majority in a democracy, but if the public sentiment is right, It's no problem to screw over the minority.

It worked in the old Soviet bloc (1)

atanas (941327) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021564)

Except that instead on Internet porn there was always an abundance of alcohol. Even at times when there was no food or other basic necessities.

Oldest pacification strategy: Bread & Circuses (4, Interesting)

swb (14022) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021606)

The Communist Party has been doing well with the bread angle (at least compared to the 1970s), and now they're just fine-tuning the circuses.

Re:Oldest pacification strategy: Bread & Circu (4, Interesting)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021726)

People need bread and want circuses. Given enough of both, not much else is required.

Revolutions happen when "bread" gets too expensive. If there is insufficient bread available, and it's the fault of the ruling class, there is no logical reason not to slaughter them and take their bread. The last time this happened in China was very recently, in 1948.

Smart rulers understand this.

Re:Oldest pacification strategy: Bread & Circu (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022102)

People need bread and want circuses. Given enough of both, not much else is required.

Revolutions happen when "bread" gets too expensive. If there is insufficient bread available, and it's the fault of the ruling class, there is no logical reason not to slaughter them and take their bread. The last time this happened in China was very recently, in 1948.

Smart rulers understand this.

Are you really saying the last economically motivated revolution in the world was China's?

Re:Oldest pacification strategy: Bread & Circu (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023788)

"Last time this happened in China" does not mean: "Last time this happened in the world was in China".

Bread: expensive when scarce. Cake everywhere. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023460)

Much of the time, the economic value of a product can change vastly by the abundance of an ingredient that fluctuates in value more than the staple.

All the bakers probably are making bread appear scarce and thus more expensive in demand, because they thought to add more sugar and egg to make it all into cake. If you see fluctuating prices, it's because someone is controlling the economy of it at the top: jews do that all the time, just as Thomas Jefferson warned that first by inflation and then deflation will America be conquered and the people wake-up homeless.

Nixon said the truth back in the 70's that bread will only cost $1... That's why $1 silver is still the same in the Coinage Act meanwhile the US Domestic (not a dollar defined in the Coinage Act) is what fluctuated to make bread appear as $3. Americans don't even know that they have different currencies under similar names. State 'Dollars'(minted mineral) are not United States Domestic 'dollars'(labor).

Re:Oldest pacification strategy: Bread & Circu (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021810)

...and quite widespead.

LInks? (2, Funny)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021626)

Come on people. When you submit stories about porn sites you need to include links to these sites. That way we may inspected the offending sites and judge for ourselves. Links people.

Re:LInks? (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021962)

This is one of those rare cases where somebody actually deserves a goatse link.

Re:LInks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022338)

http://www.xingba.cc/

Re:LInks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33025096)

try http://www.spankwall.com/

Nineteen Eighty-Four (4, Interesting)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021658)

In Orwell's novel, the "prole" masses, which make up 85% of the population, do have access to porn.

Quote:

"The great majority of proles did not even have telescreens in their homes. Even the civil police interfered with them very little. There was a vast amount of criminality in London, a whole world-within-a-world of thieves, bandits, prostitutes, drug-peddlers, and racketeers of every description; but since it all happened among the proles themselves, it was of no importance. In all questions of morals they were allowed to follow their ancestral code. The sexual puritanism of the Party was not imposed upon them. Promiscuity went unpunished, divorce was permitted."

Letting the people of no consequence do what they want in these regards helps to keep them down.

"It was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working-hours or shorter rations."

Ah yes (1)

NetNed (955141) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021676)

The old Wizard of Oz ploy. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, only to the flashy image in front of you". In this case boobs!

porn (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021706)

Why not, porn does not cause political unrest.
I expect it may actually cause the opposite.

There is lot of money in the porn. Fact. (2, Interesting)

drHirudo (1830056) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021884)

The porn is multibillion industry, where small investments are returned pretty fast. Why shall China ban this industry, if it makes them billions? Since India is taking over China's dominance in cheap labour and mass production, they are looking for alternatives to feed all these people. If they find a way, this is good for them. I think the owners of these sitesm viewable from China, paid lots of money to someone with high rank in the Internet censorship there.

The Reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33021886)

I live in China. The reason behind the born unblocking? A simple one, one that many have overlooked but one that makes some semblance of sense when you think about how the Chinese government feels. They are ones who feel "If I can't see them, then they can't see me" and thus Internet censorship makes them feel as though the world is none the wiser to what is going on. Thus, when the 2010 Shanghai World Expo came online, an influx of dirty foreign journalists came flying in and in order to keep the proverbial hands over the eyes of the Chinese populace, they let loose the filthy porn. Because really, what do westerners like more than porn? With the outsider journalists happy and at home with their porn they were none the wiser to the greater Chinese blocking scheme and the Chinese house of officials dusted off their hands in another glorious victory.

Some of this is more true than life in the west would have you believe.

corepirate nazi illuminati addicted to porn, etc.. (0)

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Gives me an idea (4, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021912)

Maybe they are thinking that if Internet users have some porn to look at, then they won't pay so much attention to political matters.

Until somebody writes "Free Tibet!" on her koochie
     

Re:Gives me an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023214)

But then, when the viewer continues by thinking Tienanmen, the Government standardized boobies steal his or hers attention and the Government has the viewer under control once again.

Re:Gives me an idea (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023958)

the Government standardized boobies steal his or hers attention

If you photoshop the same tit onto diff babes, guys will eventually notice.
   

Shut the F up! (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 3 years ago | (#33021948)

Seriously, do you guy know how hard it is to find "real" Chinese porn?? If you bring attention to them then the Chinese government will have to shut them down. Damn, I am sick of always looking and Japanese porn.

Re:Shut the F up! (0, Troll)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022040)

do you guy know how hard it is to find "real" Chinese porn?? ... I am sick of always looking [at] Japanese porn.

Why is that? There's a racist joke that says Chinese vagies slant to the left and Japanese to the right. Just get Photoshop and make a mirror image ;-)

Re:Shut the F up! (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022336)

Seriously, do you guy know how hard it is to find "real" Chinese porn?? ..... Damn, I am sick of always looking and Japanese porn.

The Internet: where the more you offer people, the pickier they get.

Re:Shut the F up! (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 3 years ago | (#33025028)

I guess you don't consider Taiwan and Hong Kong to be "real" Chinese?

Porn is actually NOT a government thing in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022016)

As some have suggested already, porn is actually something the government itself does not care much about. Anti-porn legislation is mostly to please a large part of the population which still considers porn as a disgusting thing.

You have to understand prostitution is everywhere in China and not limited to shady bars or brothels. Prostitution services are very much integrated with regular business as well as government. With China's large migrant-worker strategy it's every parents nightmare that their young daughter 500 miles (or much more) ends up as a hooker or a factory bosses pet somewhere.

For this reason porn is outlawed. That doesn't make it any less accessible though. Chinese as well as foreign porn is readily available. Occasionally, like pre-Olympics and now pre-AsianGames porn and prostitution laws are enforced more strictly, but it's local and temporary stuff.

Meanwhile you'll notice a more subtle opening up and "getting used to" though. Just buy some (legal) Chinese glossies and you'll find some very revealing stuff. Although not actual porn yet, there's plenty of nude material at your local kiosk.

Porn sites still "exposed". (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022342)

Yes, I suppose they wouldn't be terribly good porn sites if they were not "exposed".

Mata Hari? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022502)

What of the potential for the porn sites to be an opening tactic of the Chinese government to spread malicious softwares. Think Mata Hari.

Who gains (2, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33022548)

Who gains from a ban on porn? The religious factions. This isn't something the Chinese communist party wants to promote. Banning porn also has the effect of eliminating an avenue of sexual release in a country where the young men outnumber the women. So instead of getting off in front of the computer screen, they go after the girl (or boy) next door. And the resulting civil unrest is exploited by these religious factions as well.

The Chinese are smart. They are watching the consequences of our missteps and the resulting social unrest and making adjustments to policies to prevent the same thing from occurring there.

Re:Who gains (2, Insightful)

Hermel (958089) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023882)

Also, supervision of the Internet becomes easier because those trying to circumvent the Great Firewall are now the interesting cases and not mere porn downloads.

Naming is critical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022900)

"Horny Comrades in Bondage" was left alone where as "Capitalist Chicks in Heat" was pulled down.

The reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33022952)

It's simple, everyone knows that there must be porn on the internet, so if the Chinese government blocks those sites then every chinese will know that their government is blocking content on the internet. The government want people to believe that what they see is the reality. Usually, when they don't like something they don't block it directly they just make it look like the internet connection is malfunctioning (one page here, one site down for 1 hour ...)

the pecking order (1)

markedmann (912673) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023474)

Could it be that internet censorship in China has a pecking order?

Do you mean "Peking" order?

Maybe they aren't thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023608)

Maybe they are aren't thinking that if Internet users have some porn to look at, then they will pay attention to political matters to get more.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33023848)

What were these porn sites? I need to know the names and addresses so I can block them.

Obvious Motive (1)

Hermel (958089) | more than 3 years ago | (#33023862)

Imagine you are the Chinese secret service and trying to hunt down 'criminals' that try to circumvent the Great Firewall in pursuit of their 'criminal' activity. Sooner or later, you'll get frustrated because 99% of the leads you follow end up being porn downloads. By allowing porn, maintaining the Great Firewall becomes manageable again because the ones that you now detect circumventing it are now the ones you really care about.

"Oh look, a puppy!" (1)

kheldan (1460303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33024198)

..or "Oh look, shiny thing!". I wouldn't put it past China to have that sort of mindset when it comes to their population, so sure, it's plausible to me that they'd let a porn site or three slip through the cracks, hoping that having something to fap to will occupy them enough to not pay attention to the fact that their government doesn't respect their rights as human beings and is otherwise at least as corrupt as any South American junta government.

a third option. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33024258)

Like anything else why can't the Chinese government regulate and produce its own "acceptable" erotic materials? You know, more soft core with well compensated actors working in controlled and protected work environments and promoting good Chinese values or whatever their deal is over there.

Porn Western?, Gay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33024872)

Western porn?
  - Getting horny for something that ain't on the menu is not good.
Gay porn?
  - Getting horny for something that might get on the menu is scary.

Home grown Chinese porn was never much of an issue from what I've seen.
Oh, and 'prostitution' may be illegal (officially), and perhaps frowned upon but it's hugely rampant and open.

It's news when western porn and gay porn is not blocked (as that is most of what is actively blocked). Otherwise seems same ol' deal to me.

1984? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33025090)

Am I the first one to note that this sounds a lot like the plot of George Orwell's 1984 [wikipedia.org] . Porn as the opium of the people? From the Wiki: "Regarding the lower class, the Party treat the Proles as animals — they live in poverty and are kept sedated with cheap beer, pornography, and a national lottery. [wikipedia.org] "

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