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Considering the stink about iPhone4 (2, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#33028996)

Maybe their testing isn't, exactly, "exhaustive".

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029046)

Maybe they mean "exhausted." I would suffer retinal exhaustion pretty quickly if I looked at shiny chrome and other polished objects all day!

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (1)

xclay (924789) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029824)

especially if you're sitting on a rotating chair while holding it right in front of your face all day in a sound chamber.... poor guy.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030694)

Maybe they need to get out of that Faraday cage. Then they might find out whether or not their products actually work.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (4, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029048)

Considering the past 20 years of structural design flaws, as well.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33032036)

Uhh.... A battery failure that wasn't their fault and unsightly fine cracks? You fanboys have resorted to just making things up, havnt you. Go play halo er something.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (1)

cpscotti (1032676) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029056)

That's not the case..
To put something like that into market they NEED to do extensive testing.
The thing with apple is that it just wasn't enough testing... so it wasn't AS exhaustive as the one RIM, Nokia or Motorola does.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030912)

This "inside look" given to the ABC is just more PR spin to offset the iPhone 4 stink.

"Hey look how good our testing is. So you see, it *can't* be a product defect, it must be AT&T's network or a software glitch or somehow the fault of Nokia/RIM/Samsung. Can't be us, no siree, we have 'black labs' to do our exhaustive testing."

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (5, Funny)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029086)

Have you EVER tried to exhaust a Black Lab? I mean, your Golden Retriever may be something to talk about.

But the Lab? They're indefatigable!

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (-1, Offtopic)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029956)

Ha! Got that beat. I once fostered a Min-Pin/Husky Mix. Min-Pins are derivatives of greyhounds, so you have a dog that runs around at top speed and has the endurance to do this all day. 20 pounds, and the most tiring dog I've ever interacted with. She now plays as a competitive Frisbee Dog.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029096)

Either that or it is so exhaustive that the engineers are knackered when they get to the antenna tests.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029264)

Hence allowing the news media in to see their cool lab so they can get the masses thinking, "oh, wow - they really DID test the phone and antenna and maybe Jobs is right about the 0.55% of people being all that are having the non-existent problem."

Re:Considering ... (2, Interesting)

sonnejw0 (1114901) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029480)

I think it's QC, not R&D. An Apple store recently opened near me so I got to play with some iPhone4's for a while in the store, and I might go back because I found some interesting things. Two iPhone4's right next to each other, one dropped to 0 bars in the store within 30 seconds of merely touching the antenna gap, the other one dropped 2 bars after a couple minutes of death gripping it. There was NO discernable exterior difference in the phones. I even scratched at the metal to try to see any noticeable polyvinyl coating on one v the other. At that point, the third "Genius" in a matter of 90 seconds asked if I needed any help, so I began to feel awkward poking at the phone (it was very busy in the store).

I would not be surprised if one manufacturing plant in China has a poor Quality Control or Quality Assurance division that just is not doing their job. I've seen pictures of iPhones with reversed volume controls on the side, and this lends to that explanation, and to Apple's personal assurances that they've thoroughly tested these phones. A coating of some sort should be sufficient to abrogate any conductivity, and it does not make sense that Apple did not think of that. I might return and take a look at the batch numbers on the back of the iPhones I played with in the store. I'm still not buying one, because I have no idea if I'm going to get one that works or one that does not, and I'm not playing games with the return people. By the time they get it sorted out, if ever, the Next Big Thing will probably be out. I still own the original iPhone, because nothing has seemed worth the upgrade yet.

Re:Considering ... (2, Insightful)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030176)

i get the impression that apple want people to feel the coolness of brushed metal directly. Observe the metal back of the first iphone (before they found it to affect signal quality, and changed to plastic) and the ipad. Its almost as if its a company fetish.

Re:Considering the stink about iPhone4 (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#33031002)

Maybe their testing isn't, exactly, "exhaustive".

Just because the iPhone 4 has antenna problems doesn't mean they weren't known about beforehand and dismissed as "not enough to break the reality distortion field".

Exhaustive testing? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029002)

Just too easy... does exhaustive testing include: HOLDING THE PHONE?

Apparently not.

Re:Exhaustive testing? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029120)

Don't blame the testers. They did their job. Blame the guy that decided to launch the product despite its known performance issues.

Re:Exhaustive testing? (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029410)

Don't blame the testers

It's not a problem with testers, it's a lack of testees.

Re:Exhaustive testing? (1)

Tejin (818001) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030884)

Steve Jobs has plenty of testees, did you see his "Don't hold it that way" response? Testes of steel.

Re:Exhaustive testing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33031006)

blame it on the tasteless sodomites that buy the plastic tat in the first place.

what's really laughable is the myth that 'designers' tend to go for apple. well yes, maybe the type of 'designer' that likes the hideous web 2.0 icons and design aesthetic that are all over their sickly saccharine interfaces.

This is going to be posted quite a bit. (5, Funny)

Adaeniel (1315637) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029006)

Apparently, their exhaustive testing doesn't actually include using the product.

Re:This is going to be posted quite a bit. (1, Funny)

ahankinson (1249646) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029116)

Apparently posting about it doesn't require using the product either.

Re:This is going to be posted quite a bit. (4, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029420)

Apparently posting about it doesn't require using the product either.

You must be new here... it doesn't even require reading about the product, let alone using it.

Re:This is going to be posted quite a bit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33030250)

But their test groups loved how it looked! How can you say that's not exhaustive testing from their art labs?

Apple's Black Labs: (5, Funny)

not already in use (972294) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029014)

Where Apple tests for flaws in other phones to justify the flaws in their own phones.

Re:Apple's Black Labs: (1)

Keebler71 (520908) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029104)

No joke... I'll bet recently their competitors' phones have been in these labs more than the iPhone 4g (to "prove" that they have similar problems)

Re:Apple's Black Labs: (0)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030842)

No joke... I'll bet recently their competitors' phones have been in these labs more than the iPhone 4g (to "prove" that they have similar problems)

How silly of them - they could have just gone to YouTube and found tons of videos showing that.

Re:Apple's Black Labs: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33031100)

do they mix up the kool-aid in the black labs?

wasn't this site meant to be 'news for nerds', and not 'news for sad pathetic little consumerists'

Re:Apple's Black Labs: (0, Troll)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 3 years ago | (#33031208)

wasn't this site meant to be 'news for nerds', and not 'news for sad pathetic little consumerists'

And what, pray tell, qualifies you as a "nerd"? The fact that you can't accept that all phones have a "death grip"?

Re:Apple's Black Labs: (1, Flamebait)

Alistair Hutton (889794) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030168)

And even then they have to fake it by showing (at least one) phone(s) that were on minimal battery power and had thus entered a power saving mode.

teehee (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029022)

where it puts upcoming products through exhaustive testing

Does that involve letting Apple fanboys and Apple haters handle the devices, just to be sure they can make sufficiently outrageous claims about the product?

OK, this is a reach, but here goes... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029440)

Does that involve letting Apple fanboys and Apple haters handle the devices

They can't let fanboys handle the devices, because then they have to run them through the autoclave and that messes up the electronics.

Re:OK, this is a reach, but here goes... (1)

rjch (544288) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029576)

Does that involve letting Apple fanboys and Apple haters handle the devices

They can't let fanboys handle the devices, because then they have to run them through the autoclave and that messes up the electronics.

Fanbois have electronics? No, this can't be true. No fanboi would put themselves in the position where they could be called an Android...

For those of us not in the US and Hulu'd up.. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029026)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq6sjH1W7hA

Re:For those of us not in the US and Hulu'd up.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33032154)

Gracias... Danke... Merci... Grazie... Obrigado... Arigato...

Incoming fucktard SquarePixel/sopssa trolling ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029052)

SquarePixel = sopssa = troll. Remember it moderators!

Peace out!

ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (5, Insightful)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029060)

ABC is owned by Disney. Steve Jobs owns 138 million Disney shares [wikipedia.org] or about $4.7bn worth of stock. Anyone else think it odd that Disney is running a puff piece for one of its major shareholders?

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029142)

No, it's Jobs using his advantages. While Jobs owns that many shares, it is about 7% of Disney. He is the largest single stockholder. However, his place on the Disney board might be of more influence. Is it unfair for him to use that position? Perhaps. But judging by the large amount of press coverage this issue has gotten, it is also a scoop for any news outlet that would have gotten access.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029680)

tho the shares may allow jobs and apple marketing more say in the final presentation then they would get with any other outlet.

and heck, its fun to see apples press presence backfire on them, as i claim they get much more (especially outside the tech press, where they are virtually the only company talked about beyond stock market trends) coverage then their market presence should make one think (but then their products are old school in media creation circles).

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030420)

I think part of the press coverage is the fact they don't do a lot of interviews and stories. When they do grant media access, it's a big deal to anyone who can get it.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030824)

However, his place on the Disney board might be of more influence.

I might be tempted to add that perhaps his influence might be better spent on impressionable children.

Oh wait...

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (4, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029380)

Anyone else think it odd that Disney is running a puff piece for one of its major shareholders?

Somewhere around 5 media companies control about 99% of what the general population sees, hears, reads, and frankly, thinks.

So, if a rich dude invests in a major media company, then pretty much by definition there is about a 1 in 5 chance that a report from a major media outlet will be covering one of their own shareholders.

Its not like we have a free market of numerous equal competitors trying to push commodities in the media world.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029486)

Somewhere around 5 media companies control about 99% of what the general population sees, hears, reads, and frankly, thinks.

Unfortunately, (or not) Geeknet, Inc is not one of these 5 companies.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33031592)

Welcome to the Carver Media Group!

Making Tomorrow's headlines Today!

free markets and consolidattion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33032388)

Its not like we have a free market of numerous equal competitors trying to push commodities in the media world.

Of course there's a free market: all of these companies were free to consolidate.

It would actually take a non-free market to fix things: you'd have to create rules about ownership limits to stop conglomerates from forming and to force the break up of current ones.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029790)

If you mean "Steve Jobs ordered ABC News to run a puff piece on the iPhone 4 to help Apple PR" when you say odd, then no. The news divisions have editorial independence (or at least should have) from their owners. Even then, to break journalistic integrity in such a blatantly obvious way is just plain stupid. N.B.: While 138 mil shares may seem a lot, it's only 7% of Disney [wikipedia.org], albeit making him the largest single shareholder. Major institutional investors with an activist bent, like CalPERS, would most certainly object.
That being said, there is a relationship there, and imho, because of that perceived (or alleged, if you want) conflict of interest, a different network might have been a better choice to grant access to.

Re:ABC.. Disney.. Jobs.. (1)

bynary (827120) | more than 3 years ago | (#33032222)

Disney owns ABC. Disney owns Pixar. Steve Jobs sold Pixar to Disney. Pixar is now in charge of Disney animation studios. Steve Jobs is on the Board of Directors as part of the negotiations over Pixar. I don't think it's odd at all. In fact, if I had that much sway in a media conglomerate I would definitely use it to promote my new products or to help put out PR fires.

Abc + Hulu = Only in USA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029062)

Thanks for this magnificent USA-only video. Please, do not post more things like this.

Sorry this news story is for US citizens only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029068)

where's the video that I am allowed to watch ?

Re:Sorry this news story is for US citizens only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33030006)

So the net somehow knows that you are a US Citizen? So Americans living abroad can see this video just fine because of this special technology? Do USA-ians have a chip embedded in them that performs a Diffie Hellman key exchange to ensure absolutely only US Citizens can see this story??
(I'm a Canadian citizen so I can't see this story)

Re:Sorry this news story is for US citizens only (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030664)

it's where that missing flash plugin icon is on the webpage

Sorry, it's US only. (1, Insightful)

Moskit (32486) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029074)

Video of the "unprecedented look" is hosted on Hulu, which allows only US viewers.

Racists! ;-)

Hey look, damage reduction! (5, Insightful)

kyz (225372) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029100)

I wonder how much it costs to get your damage-limiting press release videos on to national television?

Apple are the brand that never make any mistakes. EXCEPT WHEN THEY DO. But that's because everybody makes mistakes, not just Apple.

It's important to know: all phones are susceptible to the "death grip"... it's just a tiny minor detail, not really worth mentioning, that the iPhone 4 "death grip" is "holding it normally in your left hand".

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (2, Funny)

Joe U (443617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029226)

that the iPhone 4 "death grip" is "holding it normally in your left hand".

Wait a sec, doesn't everyone use a rubber band to hold the phone to their head nowadays?

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030864)

Wait a sec, doesn't everyone use a rubber band to hold the phone to their head nowadays?

No, most people I know use Tarzan-Grip.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (4, Interesting)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029314)

Apple's demo videos seem faked. I have a friend with a Droid X and another with an Eris (I personally have a Nexus One - which is very similar to the Eris) - both of which seem to have negligible signal loss no matter how I hold them (at first using their video as a reference). Eris dropped a whopping 6 db signal when I held both hands around the bottom of the phone - and I have really sweaty hands most of the time. There really is no way to just hold the phone like normal or even abnormal and go from full signal to zero.

The Droid-X actually has two antennas - one at the top and bottom - holding both had similar effect.

I've only been able to handle one iPhone 4 - and just touching the two antennas on the gap for me (again sweaty hands) causes reasonably large signal loss (I really don't know because unlike Android the iPhone doesn't have an actual s-meter buried anywhere it seems).

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (4, Funny)

Joe U (443617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029632)

There really is no way to just hold the phone like normal or even abnormal and go from full signal to zero.

Sorry, you're wrong, after holding the Eris with both hands, and feet, underwater, on top of a mesa while in a Faraday cage I experienced significant signal loss. While in comparison, I saw absolutely no signal loss after using the new bumper Apple issued (while attached to the 12 ft iTenna, but most iphone users have at least one of them)

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33032506)

Sorry, you're wrong, after holding the Eris with both hands, and feet, underwater, on top of a mesa while in a Faraday cage I experienced significant signal loss. While in comparison, I saw no significant signal loss after using the new bumper Apple issued (while attached to the 12 ft iTenna, but most iphone users have at least one of them)

There, fixed it for you.

That's a big claim... faked (4, Interesting)

hellfire (86129) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030054)

This is not a defense of Apple, but a statement about how large corporations work. I seriously doubt that the videos were completely faked. As with anything, the results can be spun or manipulated, but there has to be a least a shred of truth, or the lawyer attack dogs would be out by now.

Apple basically called out every single smartphone developer and said "you all suck too!" and posted videos to "prove" it. Those companies all responded so far with nothing but the same tired PR statements. If Apple was actually slandering these other phones and faked the results entirely, I'm sure these companies would love to have some extra cash plus a chance to smear one of their biggest competitors.

Now, Apple's video proof is mostly annecdotal since it's one phone and one hand. Yours is too, however. I know people who say they can't make the Apple Antenna issue happen on the iPhone 4, and I see videos on Youtube posted both before and after the iPhone 4 that point out signal loss issues with other smartphones. All of this evidence is, again, annecdotal.

From a scientific standpoint, you have to admit Apple's doing a good job of basically trying to throw a bunch of "proof" out there and making people pick thru it. It stirs in just enough doubt to make everyone stop and think. The hard core haters and fanboys won't change their mind, but this is like election politics, it's not about swaying everyone, just trying to tilt the balance in their favor.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (2, Interesting)

dogzilla (83896) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030094)

I don't have an iPhone 4, but I've been following this pretty closely as I'm interesting in buying one. One thing I note is a similarity between what many people report with the iPhone and what you describe with the Droid X. This is borne out by those people I personally know who already own an iPhone 4 - none of them have reported a problem in daily use. Two of 4 report being able to cause the issue although it doesn't affect them in normal use, the other 2 can't seem to replicate the issue. I don't personally know any Droid X owners. This really feels like a silly manufactured issue that now has a life of its own with the sniping back and forth. I have a lot of trouble believing that a major company like Apple would fake a video with a competitor's product though. Maybe back in the days of Edison and Tesla, but I don't buy that anyone would do that today.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (1)

jkoke (1112287) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030522)

Another anecdote to offer support to what you're saying. I was at a poker game the other night and noticed that two of the other guys also had iPhone 4s. I asked them about their reception and both said they hadn't had any problems and couldn't replicate the problem -- neither one was using a case. I have a case on my phone now, but I used it without a case for 3 weeks and was able to reproduce the bar drop one time when I was in a fairly weak signal area. It dropped from 3 bars to 1. I haven't dropped a call in the month that I've owned the phone.

I think this is a real issue that affects a very small percentage of owners of the phone.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33031366)

I held my friends iPhone 4 the wrong way and nothing happened no bars lost. I bridged the gap and still nothing except one bar going down.

I also tried it with my BB curve it does go down maybe one or two bars not much.

I tried with my bros SE Z600 I believe one bar.

Nothing major across all phones, moving from one room to another wi cause the signal to change by similar amounts.

I live outside the US and I don't recall having a dropped call in the last years. The only places where I will lose calls is when I'm a couple of stories underground, or in ths on spot next to my home where everyone loses there signal, it's not a big spot just a street corner.

Anyway my point is that your milliage will vary, my tests were not scientific.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029468)

It's more than that: All antennae in the frequency bands used by cellphones will suffer some attenuation if your meaty hands are wrapped around them. You are absorbing a chunk of the radiation. This applies to all brands, and is why many cellphones have an area, or areas, they encourage you not to touch during use. Typically, phones are designed so that you won't tend to hold this part during routine use.

On the iPhone 4, the antenna is external and does not have a dielectric coating. In addition to attenuating the signal with their meaty consumer-hands, the user can actually modify the performance characteristics of the antenna(for the worse); by being conductive enough to count as part of it, or by bridging the two sections.

Apple has, naturally, been doing their best to conflate these two distinct antenna issues. All phones suffer from finger-meat signal attenuation. The iPhone is pretty much the only phone in the industry that has an exposed, externally conductive, antenna. Even the old-school designs with external pull-up antennas generally had those coated with plastic, and the user was hardly encouraged to hold the phone by a flexible extending antenna, rather than by the body.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029774)

So the workaround is to be less conductive?

In other news does anyone have any idea if there are any brands of spray paint which are a good dielectric?

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33031860)

In other news does anyone have any idea if there are any brands of spray paint which are a good dielectric?

Any sprayable lacquer will do just fine, thing is, it won't last too long. You might want to try some Kapton tape [anandtech.com]...

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (5, Informative)

kaiser423 (828989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029930)

+1. Mod parent up. I think that the iPhone is a great phone, but as an RF engineer I'm tired of two people conflating the issue. The issue with the iPhone is that some RF engineer lost a fight and there's no conductive coating, so you effectively bridge two antennas if you happen to touch a specific spot. That's a totally different problem from the "my hand is absorbing the radiation and weakly coupling to the antenna" that all phones have.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (0, Troll)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 3 years ago | (#33030226)

Although you may be right, this is only a problem if the calls get dropped. And it is not so certain that they will as a result of the new antenna design, except in areas where the signal is weak to begin with.

This is Jobs' point, not necessarily conflating two separate issues. In essence, he is saying "something causes our phones to attenuate signal, but something causes all phones to attenuate signal." The fact that these two somethings are different is not really relevant.

What's relevant is the degree to which it affects call performance. So far, Apple's assertion is that the iPhone 4 seems have generally better call quality than the previous version--because and not in spite of its antenna design.

        -dZ.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33031352)

Mod parent WAY up. The issues with the iPhone 4 has *nothing* to do with human hands absorbing RF radiation, and everything with having two exposed antennas right there where it's supposed to be gripped by the user. Theres a good reason why it's the only phone on the market with this "feature".

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029568)

This is more or less exactly what I was thinking as soon as I saw the title.

Thanks to the stink over the iPhone, Apple is desperate for any good press they can get. By making it look like they're some kind of special super high tech testers (when in fact they're probably little different form other companies) they get people to go "Oh them Apples, they do good work."

It's a smokescreen meant to continue their confusion and disinformation about the iPhone until public goodwill returns. Expect another 3-4 months of Apple throwing out "unprecedented" interviews "never before seen in the cellphone world."

Do you know why it was never before seen? Because WE DIDN'T CARE. I'm more than a little bit sure that both A) The news never gave a shit about asking to see into this kind of thing for any other company and never asked for such privileges before and B) APPLE was likely the one who crafted this entire news piece to make themselves look good.

Expect public good feeling for about 2 months then absolute fallout due to unforseen consequences within the next 6-12 months.

Re:Hey look, damage reduction! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029796)

This whole fiasco is really
1 part Engineering Mistake by Apple (Placing the week spot in an easy to use spot)
2 parts Anti-Apple fan-boyism (We want to feel cool and smart for choosing an Android phone over the Iphone).
1 part Apple Competitor egging on.
1 part viral internet spreading
1 part non-geek reproducible allowing for non-geeks to confirm the problem, it is easy to show and copy.
1 part customer problems

Yes Apple Messed up... But it isn't a huge mistake. I have seen Apple Mess up on their designs for much bigger problems then this.

Hulu sucks (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029108)

Ugh, Video is from Hulu and is region restricted.

It's like a golden ticket! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029138)

Except Steve will have you shot in the head if you don't do what he says, instead of just turning you into a blueberry.

Puh-lease! (0, Troll)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029266)

OMG, when will the Apple spin machine take a fricking rest? Secretive "black labs?" Sure they aren't killer canines?

Re:Puh-lease! (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029584)

Apple's main product is spun hype. Their physical products are just the dongle. So it shouldn't surprise anybody that their spin machine never takes a rest.

Anti-Internet Territorial blocking (2, Insightful)

ChocNut (791621) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029298)

Living in the past and breaking the international web with your territory blocking BS. Screw Hulu

What's so special about labs that don't work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029324)

What's so secret and special about testing labs that don't work and fail to test for common usage patterns like left handed people?

WHATEVER YOU DO (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029344)

Don't google the phrase "I'll be in my lab" with image search.

Did they show em the... (1)

Sinn3d (1594333) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029356)

...waterboard/torture room where they jog the memory of people who lose or misplace their prototypes?

They are prioritizing the black labs (1)

shikaisi (1816846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029400)

Apple are currently having manufacturing challenges with the white labs, but they'll be available to the public later this year.

Re:They are prioritizing the black labs (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029616)

The white ones will turn out to be valuable collectors items. Because the market demand for the product is dying * before the white ones can be brought to market. Look for 'White iPhone 4' to be a rare collectible on eBay in about 10 years.

(*all the true-believers already have theirs. regular folks aren't going to buy a turkey)

And yet, (1, Insightful)

Iburnaga (1089755) | more than 3 years ago | (#33029470)

And yet they still miss obvious bugs in design. Now, I'm an Apple hater, I admit it, I will never buy an Apple or encourage someone to do so. I don't imagine anyone would change their opinion about Apple after seeing their testing chamber that may or may not have been set up on the fly for the purposes of marketing.

White labs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33029962)

Shouldn't there also be white labs, as they make their products in both black and white? Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33030556)

I like how Apple only shows/tells us what it wants us to know/think.

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