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LHC To Idle All Accelerators In 2012

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the there-goes-that-prophecy dept.

Science 117

sciencehabit writes "Particle physicists and science fans everywhere knew that the European particle physics laboratory, CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland, would shut down the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's largest atom smasher, for all of 2012 for repairs. Many expected that the shutdown would stretch to more than a year, which CERN officials confirmed today. But most probably did not expect CERN to idle all its other accelerators at the same time, shutting down a variety of smaller projects and forcing hundreds of scientists not working on the LHC to take an unanticipated break in data taking. The longer shutdown could be a chance for US scientists working on the Tevatron at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois, if researchers there can persuade lab management to keep the machine going instead of shutting it down in 2011 as currently planned." Reader suraj.sun notes other CERN news making the rounds right now about plans for the International Linear Collider, a 31-kilometer-long collider designed to complement the LHC. Construction on the ILC could begin as soon as 2012.

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117 comments

Relief... (4, Funny)

mconeone (765767) | more than 3 years ago | (#33034892)

I guess we won't have to worry about 12-21-2012 after all.

Re:Relief... (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33034920)

They're trying to change the profecy but it will fail, somehow some bored lab tech will manage to start the accelerator and cause the end of the universe anyway.

Re:Relief... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035784)

why can't you spell prophecy?

Re:Relief... (0, Offtopic)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036564)

Because everyone makes mistakes from time to time, especially those of us who are multilingual. What I'd like to know is why you can't capitalize the first word in sentences.

Re:Relief... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33036952)

the internet is an informal medium and thus capitalization is not required in such a strict sense.

Re:Relief... (1, Offtopic)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037714)

By extension of that, neither is correct spelling.
Mr Pot may I introduce you to my good friend Mr. Kettle.

Re:Relief... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33040238)

+1 internets to you sir.

Re:Relief... (2, Funny)

starglider29a (719559) | more than 3 years ago | (#33034954)

It's a self-UN-fulfilling prophecy... just like when computer makers began rounding up to 667MHz processors. Apparently, 66Mhz, 266MHz, 466MHz needed to be rounded down, but they had to round up 666.

Re:Relief... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035050)

Who's going to buy Satan's processor?

Re:Relief... (4, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035132)

In the 80's we bought a PCjr. Does that count?

Re:Relief... (1)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035696)

Also consider all the people who bought Windows ME...

Re:Relief... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33037062)

Also consider all the people who bought Windows...

Fixed it for you ;)

Re:Relief... (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037346)

Yes, they did the same shit for DDR SDRAM (667). That's because of stupid christians that still believe in the interstellar zombie jew.

kraft dinner (1)

chronoss2010 (1825454) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035192)

wonder how many boxes of Kraft dinner i could buy with the money they spend on the TWO colliders

Re:kraft dinner (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035410)

It's hard to believe that you're posting at -1 with such a valuable outlook. Thanks for your contribution!

Re:kraft dinner (2, Insightful)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035810)

wonder how many boxes of Kraft dinner i could buy with the money they spend on any TWO of the various r&d efforts over the centuries that led to a world in which it's possible for me to cheaply buy a box of Kraft dinner

Re:kraft dinner (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33036070)

I work on the LHC, and if its pinnacle of achievement, its major contribution to the progress of humanity, turns out to be cheaper Kraft dinners, I think I'm going to go lie under a bus.

Re:kraft dinner (1)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037056)

Are you implying that Kraft Dinner is not the greatest food in the world? As a Canadian I am deeply offended!

Re:kraft dinner (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33037936)

I like my hadrons in a creamy cheese sauce.

Re:kraft dinner (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33042476)

Those hydrons are supposed to be served Ice Cold (TM), mister.

Re:kraft dinner (1)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036394)

wonder how many boxes of Kraft dinner i could buy with the money they spend on the TWO colliders

Well I don't know what the other of the TWO colliders are, anyhow.

A Kraft dinner costs a $1.16 according to some lazy, half-assed googling, and according to wikipedia the LHC has a budget of 9 billion dollars.

So you could buy about 7.75 billion Kraft dinners. Tasty.

Re:kraft dinner (1)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037730)

7.75Bn?

Brings a whole new perspective on the term "Feed the world"...

Re:kraft dinner (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33042488)

Yeah... Feed the world exactly _ONE_ dinner. How's that supposed to help? "Oh yeah we made sure those poor africans died half a day later than expected" '>_>

Re:Relief... (1)

topham (32406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035284)

I'm wondering if they decided the terrorist threats would be insurmountable in 2012 so they thought they'd take the opportunity to do needed repairs instead.

Does seem weird.

Re:Relief... (3, Funny)

Torodung (31985) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036240)

No! That's exactly what the Mayans would have us believe, from their time traveling relative dimension pocket near the Andromeda galaxy. The only way to prevent the catastrophic end of the B'ak'tun is to RUN the Large Hadron Collider and create a Higgs Boson that will counteract all the neutrino emissions from the sun.

For the love of god, we must run the LHC or we may yet pass through the CGI event horizon, our imaginations running wild, causing the ruination of all the good creatures and the ultimate victory of the Woodland Critters!

(Oof. Perhaps I shouldn't have watched the John Cusack 2012 movie and South Park back to back on Netflix last night?)

--
Toro

Re:Relief... (1)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036306)

How do you know that shutting the LHC down isn't going to be what causes the apocalypse? Maybe the events that will eventually cause the end of life as we know it have already been set in motion and are only kept in check by the fact the LHC is running.

Just sayin' man.

Re:Relief... (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036848)

Incidentally, should they fire it up in 2012 because they completed the necessary maintenance earlier than expected, that's when we know the world's going to end.

Power Up (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#33039050)

That is the date for them to power things back up. Gotta prepare for that big bang ya know, have everything in perfect condition to create the end of the world.

Re:Relief... (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33041366)

I guess we won't have to worry about 12-21-2012 after all.

Errr, since my level of worry about 2012-12-21 (ISO format date) was precisely zero above (or below) my worry about any randomly selected day of the week, does your reassurance mean that I can now be (guardedly) optimistic about that date?

What the hell is so special about that date anyway? It's not palindromic, unless you're in a locale that uses MM-YYYY-DD ; oh no, it's not even palindromic then. Does it spell something rude when typed into a base-13 calculator and turned upside down, or something?
Oh, hang on - this is SlashDot, and that's a date of cosmic importance and significance? So it's the date on which SlashDotters will get laid? I'll tell the wife to put it in her diary.

This is how it'll happen (5, Funny)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33034990)

"we're supposed to shut it down for maintenance"
"No! This is our only chance to beat CERN! While they're still doing repairs!
"You have to stop, the numbers! They're not stable!"
"Almost there... almost there..."
"GORDON! GET OUT OF THERE!"
*green electrical storm*
"My god... I never thought I'd see a resonance cascade, let alone create one!"

and that's it people. We sent the crowbar to CERN. We're doomed.

Re:This is how it'll happen (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035694)

sigh...I'll go gas up the airboat.

Re:This is how it'll happen (2, Funny)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035758)

Sell the idea to Valve. I mean it.

Re:This is how it'll happen (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33038084)

Now these points of data make a beautiful line!

(Oops, different game.)

Re:This is how it'll happen (1)

Psaakyrn (838406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33039678)

It's relevant. Black Mesa (CERN) is in competition with Apeture (Fermilab). Next, we'll see Fermilab cause a laboratory to disappear into nowhere.

DAMNIT!!! (3, Funny)

SpongeBob Hitler (1848328) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035046)

And here I was hoping they would end the world!

Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (2, Interesting)

jaymz2k4 (790806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035060)

It might be essential but it saddens me a bit how much of a let down the LHC has been. Fermliab however has been a real story of inspiration. I hope we see results from Geneva in the future but so far it's not exactly been inspiring stuff and this decision to shut down everything sounds a bit OTT.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (2, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035172)

Yeah. The news is all like: "Hey, did you hear about the new collider? It's like the largest ever and stuff." "Really? Does it work?" "No, but if it did, I bet it'd be really cool."

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 3 years ago | (#33040020)

"Supercollider!? I just met 'er!"

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (5, Interesting)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035182)

You're comparing apples and oranges. All of these big experiments have things they need to get to get worked out before they're running at their design strength. That's the problem with building machines that are their own prototypes.

I can't speak for all of them, but the detector I work on has been performing excellently (all its detector subsystems, etc..). There was a flaw in some of the accelerator magnets of the main LHC ring, and it needs to be fixed, which involves warming up and cooling down the magnets (which takes 3 months each eway)

Fermilab, by comparison has been running for something like 20 years, they did their shakedown phase a long time ago, and now they're tuned to run optimally. It's the lifecycle of these things.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (4, Insightful)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035350)

You're comparing apples and oranges. All of these big experiments have things they need to get to get worked out before they're running at their design strength. That's the problem with building machines that are their own prototypes.

I can't speak for all of them, but the detector I work on has been performing excellently (all its detector subsystems, etc..). There was a flaw in some of the accelerator magnets of the main LHC ring, and it needs to be fixed, which involves warming up and cooling down the magnets (which takes 3 months each eway)

Fermilab, by comparison has been running for something like 20 years, they did their shakedown phase a long time ago, and now they're tuned to run optimally. It's the lifecycle of these things.

You're totally right, but I wish the planners took that kind of thinking into account. They all said this would be up and running 5 years ago, for much less cost than it has accrued.

http://public.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases1996/PR09.96ECouncil96.html [web.cern.ch]

That was from 1996, so I understand this stuff changes, but it *always* goes over time and over budget. Can't the planners be a bit more realistic? Right now you're saying "look, these things happen," but before they said "these things won't happen." At least, i feel like thats how it goes. I haven't been too involved so someone let me know if I'm wrong.

I guess the politicians are weary enough and these things are hard to get funding for, so people want to over promise a bit, but it just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

Personally i think this stuff is worth way more money than wars and bailouts and whatnot, so I'm not complaining about the funding, i just think that these things constantly going over budget is the whole reason politicians are reluctant to buy in in the first place!
-Taylor

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (5, Insightful)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035386)

That was from 1996, so I understand this stuff changes, but it *always* goes over time and over budget. Can't the planners be a bit more realistic?

The planners who give realistic budgets never get their project built. The money ends up going to the guy who gave an unrealistic budget, an the illusion of a much better value.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035616)

That was from 1996, so I understand this stuff changes, but it *always* goes over time and over budget. Can't the planners be a bit more realistic?

The planners who give realistic budgets never get their project built. The money ends up going to the guy who gave an unrealistic budget, an the illusion of a much better value.

Yeah. I guess even if the politicians *know* it will go over budget, if the public doesn't realize it, they'll still look good.

Still frustrating, but its how people work i guess.
-Taylor

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035654)

Exactly. If you're an evil proposal writer, your goal is to come in as the lowest bidder, even if you know you can't complete the project on that budget. But you also have to come in high enough that the customer has invested sufficient resources that when you have to ask for more money, they're already too committed just to scrap the project. It's like playing poker...

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036456)

That was from 1996, so I understand this stuff changes, but it *always* goes over time and over budget. Can't the planners be a bit more realistic?
-Taylor

Well that cannot really budget for accidents really. I mean you build the thing as close to the limits of your budget, then something breaks and you have no choice to go over budget.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036664)

That was from 1996, so I understand this stuff changes, but it *always* goes over time and over budget. Can't the planners be a bit more realistic?
-Taylor

Well that cannot really budget for accidents really. I mean you build the thing as close to the limits of your budget, then something breaks and you have no choice to go over budget.

I've never been part of a large, long budget project, but I get the idea that since accidents are unavoidable, people *have* to budget for accidents and unforeseen circumstances, or every budget ever would be over time.

Obviously many people fail to do this, but you'd expect people throwing around tens of billions of dollars to have enough experience to allow time for unforeseen circumstances, if they're being honest.

I mean, if they have to bring the thing up to ambient temp, they're down a *minimum* of 6 months (3 months to warm, 3 months to cool again). If that happens a few times, they're a year or two over time. You'd think they would have expected that might have happened and allowed for it.

I think instead they were afraid to be honest about how long it would take because they were trying not to lose support.
-Taylor

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037464)

If you ask them to approve 100 dollars and 20 years for your project, they'll say no. So you go for 50 bucks, and say you can have it ready in 2 months.

2 Months later, you say you need "some more time" because something "unexpected" happened, and you'll need another 20 bucks. Or they can just shut down and loose 50 bucks and 2 months of work. So they say yes, and go ahead.

It is the *ONLY* way to do certain things. Because people with power is stupid.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035354)

You at CMS or ATLAS?

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035500)

You at CMS or ATLAS?

I don't like to get into it too much online but, as a hint, I can see the tevatron ring from my office.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035596)

Understandable. I too am not a fan of my online and IRL personas being connected. Best of luck!

/Couldn't see the tevatron from the cube farm in Feynman
//Cafeteria food was decent though

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035920)

GBTW or no Pub stop at the train station

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036650)

and this is why letting your boss know your handles online is a bad thing

(actually was my boss)

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035450)

Exactly. The summary sucks. It basically says "it's shutting down and now they want to build another monster machine before this one even works?" As usual, BS Internet summary.

TFA actually describes what the shutdown is for - to fix the problems that initially caused the explosion few years ago. Until it is fixed, LHC is running at 50% peak power, but they are running it so they can get data that can be analyzed during the shutdown. People are not going to be out of stuff to do, there will be plenty. Smaller projects have a year to get their data together so they can analyze it or get more data from other sources.

LHC is not a magic machine that turns out gummy bears. It is a precision measurement instrument and sometimes you need to adjust it. The measurement data may take a few days or weeks to capture, but may end up taking *YEARS* for analysis.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035496)

I was in the tunnels at Fermilab a few years ago - friend of a friend tour. They were shut down for months doing maintenance and upgrades. It's not like they've been running non-stop or unchanged since they first started up. By contrast, LHC has yet to get to the "first light" phase; as others have said, kind of disappointing.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33037954)

They are running *today* at 3.5x the max energy Fermilab ever achieved. The shutdown is after they collect lots of data at 3.5TeV (takes long time to analyze it) so they can do a proper fix to achieve 7x Fermilab energy.

Funny how you write 3.5x best ever energy and new physics being done to "yet to get to the first light phase".

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035434)

It might be essential but it saddens me a bit how much of a let down the LHC has been. Fermliab however has been a real story of inspiration. I hope we see results from Geneva in the future but so far it's not exactly been inspiring stuff and this decision to shut down everything sounds a bit OTT.

The LHC has beaten the Tevatron for the record of highest energy collision which was around 1 TeV, and they've since completed collisions at 3.5 TeV. True, that's half the planned capability of 7 TeV and they're way behind the original timeline, but the LHC has already broken new ground. Before they shut down they hope to have a decent amount of 3.5 TeV data, then fix shit and still hit their target. I wish all my failures were that good, particularly if I was doing bleeding-edge science no one has done before. I did remember a story about one of the scientists working on that Mars probe that crashed due to the feet/meter thing, she'd been working on it for 7 years which went up in a ball of fire. Now that's failure.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (4, Informative)

ozbird (127571) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037310)

You're off by a factor of 2. The individual beams are currently running at 3.5 TeV; the collisions are at 7 TeV. The goal is to ramp up to 7 TeV beams for 14 TeV collisions.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037474)

I did remember a story about one of the scientists working on that Mars probe that crashed due to the feet/meter thing, she'd been working on it for 7 years which went up in a ball of fire. Now that's failure.

Minor nitpick, the units issue was an issue of newtons of force v. pounds of force. Probe in question was the Mars Climate Orbiter.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037528)

No kidding. I've spent years working on designs for some pretty standard buildings (condos/apartments/etc) that end up not getting built for whatever reason, and it sucks. When things do get built, there's always changes on the fly during construction, and usually some going back after it's "finished" to fix things or tie up loose ends. And while buildings are fairly complicated, they're rather crude and basic compared to particle accelerators and those awesome looking detectors.

Getting the LHC built and running at all was an amazing accomplishment. The fact that it's still got a ways to go to reach its maximum potential is just a small problem compared to the many they've already worked through.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036828)

I propose we give Mythbusters a truck-load of rare earth magnets, a container-load of copper wire, a trailer-load of liquid nitrogen and a skid-load of duct tape - they'll find what we're looking for no problem. Even if they do have to blow everything up at the end...

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

PGOER (1333025) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037444)

They'll declare the myth busted, but not before they fake their way close to making the system work, and then pile explosives on the entire project to detonate it in an abanodoned rock quary, to ensure that no one reproduces their experiment.

Re:Not sure what to make of the LHC so far (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33041244)

You are expecting things to happen right away. It's only natural. Instant gratification is what we crave today. But these things take a long time to develop fully. It's been under development for a long time already, and a couple of more years to work out the kinks is basically what one might expect. I don't think there's something wrong with the LHC as such, or that it's taking longer than it should. It's that we are expecting things to happen with the snap of a finger, and that's just not how it works.

Refractory Period (5, Funny)

boneclinkz (1284458) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035078)

Even the largest hadrons can't stay active forever.

Re:Refractory Period (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035158)

Even the largest hardons can't stay active forever.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Refractory Period (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035308)

I thought they were extinct a long time ago? Squished by a comet into oil, which is now causing fishing boats in the Gulf to be idle. I didn't know they used shrimpers to catch subatomic particles, but since they are used to catching tiny things already, I guess it makes sense.

Re:Refractory Period (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035604)

Call The Doctor for a hadron lasting four hours or more.

Re:Refractory Period (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33037256)

Call The Doctor for a hadron lasting four hours or more.

Why do you think a Time Lord would be interested in knowing that?

Re:Refractory Period (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33040522)

Who?

Re:Refractory Period (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035692)

Forever?

Those commercials say that if your large hadron lasts 4 hours, you should call your doctor.

Personally, if my large hadron lasts 4 hours, I'm calling everybody!

Re:Refractory Period (1)

tacarat (696339) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037400)

NSFW and only slightly off topic :P
http://sexylosers.com/202.html [sexylosers.com]

Couldn't FTFY... (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33038896)

Even the largest hadrons can't stay active forever.

I was gonna Fix That For You ... but I'm now scared of the prospect of "large hardon colliders" and just ran away :(

Getting tired.. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035088)

of reading about LHC repairs. Just create the damn black hole

Re:Getting tired.. (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035504)

They've had to delay that disaster, with all the other ones they have created. They had to delay that one until they had milked all the current ones for all they could.

newclear power available now, no gadgets required (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035164)

'it' doesn't need any machine, or man'kind' to proliferate itself. it's our choice. see you there?

meanwhile (back here in the dark ages); the corepirate nazi illuminati is always hunting that patch of red on almost everyones' neck. if they cannot find yours (greed, fear ego etc...) then you can go starve. that's their (slippery/slimy) 'platform' now. see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

never a better time to consult with/trust in our creators. the lights are coming up rapidly all over now. see you there?

greed, fear & ego (in any order) are unprecedented evile's primary weapons. those, along with deception & coercion, helps most of us remain (unwittingly?) dependent on its' life0cidal hired goons' agenda. most of our dwindling resources are being squandered on the 'wars', & continuation of the billionerrors stock markup FraUD/pyramid schemes. nobody ever mentions the real long term costs of those debacles in both life & any notion of prosperity for us, or our children. not to mention the abuse of the consciences of those of us who still have one, & the terminal damage to our atmosphere (see also: manufactured 'weather', hot etc...). see you on the other side of it? the lights are coming up all over now. the fairytail is winding down now. let your conscience be your guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. we now have some choices. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on your brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

"The current rate of extinction is around 10 to 100 times the usual background level, and has been elevated above the background level since the Pleistocene. The current extinction rate is more rapid than in any other extinction event in earth history, and 50% of species could be extinct by the end of this century. While the role of humans is unclear in the longer-term extinction pattern, it is clear that factors such as deforestation, habitat destruction, hunting, the introduction of non-native species, pollution and climate change have reduced biodiversity profoundly.' (wiki)

"I think the bottom line is, what kind of a world do you want to leave for your children," Andrew Smith, a professor in the Arizona State University School of Life Sciences, said in a telephone interview. "How impoverished we would be if we lost 25 percent of the world's mammals," said Smith, one of more than 100 co-authors of the report. "Within our lifetime hundreds of species could be lost as a result of our own actions, a frightening sign of what is happening to the ecosystems where they live," added Julia Marton-Lefevre, IUCN director general. "We must now set clear targets for the future to reverse this trend to ensure that our enduring legacy is not to wipe out many of our closest relatives."--

"The wealth of the universe is for me. Every thing is explicable and practical for me .... I am defeated all the time; yet to victory I am born." --emerson

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Re:newclear power available now, no gadgets requir (0, Offtopic)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035320)

Why are the copypasta trolls always so attracted to 2012/LHC stories?

Bad headline (3, Informative)

jfoobaz (1844794) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035306)

It's wrong, and it's even contradicted by the summary below. The LHC isn't idling all accelerators, CERN is idling all of the accelerators they operate.

I know it's Slashdot, but is it too much to ask that the editors try to pay enough attention to ensure that the headline is accurate with respect to the summary?

2012 (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035314)

But how will we shrink the Earth to an object the size of a pea on December 21, 2012?

Re:2012 (4, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035344)

I think so Brain,

But how will we shrink the Earth to an object the size of a pea on December 21, 2012?

Narf!

FTFY.

Too Late for Tevatron (4, Informative)

Roger W Moore (538166) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035334)

The longer shutdown could be a chance for US scientists working on the Tevatron at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois.

There are not many channels in which the Tevatron will be competitive with the LHC after the first data run assuming that we get the expected amount of data. The only advantages which the Tevatron has are a far better understood detectors and a larger luminosity sample but the first is lost with time (as ATLAS/CMS analyse and understand their detector data better) and the second is hard to significantly improve on given their already large data sample. The far higher energy of the LHC means that once the first data run is collected it will be very hard for the Tevatron to continue to compete with new physics. To give you an idea of the advantage a higher energy gives simply increasing the Tevatron energy from 1.8 TeV to 1.96 TeV (i.e. 10%) increased the number of top quark pairs produced by ~40%. The LHC energy is 350% that of the Tevatron so it is hard to see how they will be competitive with typical new, high energy phenomena after the first LHC run.

Re:Too Late for Tevatron (4, Interesting)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035400)

To add to the parent, there's so many top quarks (something that's pretty rare, even on the tevatron), that we're planning on subtracting it out as a background for other events (tops share some decay channels with other, more interesting particles)

No they won't stay idle for long (2, Interesting)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035362)

They'll delve into the masses of data accumulated over the years, peering at impact traces, peeling back gig after gig of data in search for that miracle that would flip the universe as we know it upside down...

Particle accelerators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035368)

The day physicists charmed politicians with a lot of math to convince them that infinite wealth was just beyond reach because surely if we can manage fission then certainly fusion should be no problem (remove all references to recreating gravity/temperature/pressure conditions inside the sun here).

PS: Physics doesn't work that way. When someone says "Fission = energy; fusion = MORE energy" you need to medicate that person. Reality = "fission = energy, fusion = REQUIRES energy". Oh dear, stars are an exception.

Re:Particle accelerators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035648)

Two words idiot.

Hydrogen Bombs.

Or if you prefer, thermonuclear weapons.

doomsday (1)

yoldapirate (1304207) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035376)

I guess CERN is too afraid to be responsible for doomsday in 2012 after all...

Tin foil hat time (1)

Whatsmynickname (557867) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035396)

Maybe they are shutting it down until after December 21, 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon)

Re:Tin foil hat time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035720)

Maybe they aren't shutting it down until after December 21, 2012 [wikipedia.org]

There, fixed that for you.

Posting AC because I normally hate the FTFY meme.

Way to go, CERN (-1, Redundant)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035486)

Way to go CERN, I guess we can't count on you to end the world for us. Any other takers?

Re:Way to go, CERN (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035568)

I'll do it. I need 3 million sticks of TNT, 12 million cars, 2 million doses of LCD, access to a major religion's power centre, and a set of keys.

Oh, also 10 feet of rope and 4 disco balls.

Re:Way to go, CERN (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036366)

Fear and Loathing in Saint-Genis-Pouilly...

Re:Way to go, CERN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33036502)

Troll. Everyone knows it takes an odd number of disco balls to end the world.

ILC (4, Interesting)

PiMuNu (865592) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035546)

I really hope the ILC gets the go ahead But you would not build it until you know the Higgs mass (if the Higgs exists) because you want to work with e+e- collisions on the centre of mass. Until you can prove the Higgs mass is in the design range of the machine, you simply wouldn't built. So I think that story is yarbles.

so it looks like 2012 will not be the cubs year. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33035588)

so it looks like 2012 will not be the cubs year.

related to the mayan end of the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33035712)

I find it humorous that the LHC is shutting down for the entire period encompassed for the supposed mayan "end of the world"

not unrelated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33036308)

it's not a big secret that we will be having some high solar/magnetic activity now, & for some time to come. it wouldn't be thoughtless to turn off your billion watt radio/atom smasher before the biggest anticipated 'lightning' strike ever.

It's all falling into place (2, Funny)

Torodung (31985) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036354)

OMG. Here is confirmable data, streaming in newsfeeds from all over the world, that the LHC is actually involved in a time travel paradox [newscientist.com] with a Higgs boson it can never create. Eventually the entire site will be nuked from orbit by the Higgs boson, because it's the only way to be sure.

--
Toro

GOOD! We Dont Want Germans to be Starting No WWIII (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33036800)

AGAIN!!! What is it with thise Germans and weapons and world conquestation? They done lost two wars already and here they are messing around, wanting to start a third, and final. Leave the universe to God, I say, and we'll leave Germans to find something else to do with those OFFLINE collisors. God still hate the Germans!!!

Oh well (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 3 years ago | (#33036980)

Scientists generally ask for money and deliver slowly. Unfortunately, we really won't know if it's a waste of money until more money is poured into it. They should nickname it "Government."

Damned "Idle" stories! (0, Offtopic)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 3 years ago | (#33037738)

I turned off idle stories, so why am I still seeing them??!?

Blackhole anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33038678)

Maybe they found something. Something at higher energies. Something that scared them.....

Re: (1)

clint999 (1277046) | more than 3 years ago | (#33040958)

I work on the LHC, and if its pinnacle of achievement, its major contribution to the progress of humanity, turns out to be cheaper Kraft dinners, I think I'm going to go lie under a bus.

Apparently, they have laid off- (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33040990)

They have laid off (actually given a 1 year sabbatical) to a couple of Ecuadorean, or Peruvian physicists for 2012.

" OK you Mayans- go have fun - report back here in 2013.""
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