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DefCon Ninja Badges Let Hackers Do Battle

timothy posted about 4 years ago | from the that-is-some-nice-schwag dept.

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eecue writes "The folks at DefCon, the world's largest hacker convention [previously on Slashdot], have been making awesome badges for years. Last year along with the convention badge, a group of hackers known as the Ninjas created an electronic badge for their exclusive party. This year the Ninjas have taken the whole electronic badge thing to the next level with an interactive, wireless, encrypted ninja battle video game badge. I convinced the Ninjas to give Wired.com an exclusive sneak peek, and let me tell you, this thing is awesome."

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77 comments

Yea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061134)

I love it.

I am the winner (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061168)

My prize? "f1r57 p057", they say.

News for nerds, stuff that matters (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061174)

Seriously, a conference badge?

Re:News for nerds, stuff that matters (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061212)

Seriously, a conference badge?

shh it's to make the niggers feel like they're being inclusive. oh wait wrong meeting. damn. i mean, it's to make the geeks feel like they're important. speaking of niggers slashdot sure is slow today. i mean more than usual.

Re:News for nerds, stuff that matters (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33065582)

Seriously, a conference badge?

If you clicky on the story, you'll see that this is fucking hard-core nerd rampage material. You'd be hard-pressed to find anything more nerdy than this, you ignorant fuck. Know of any other conference badges that let you wirelessly play Ninja attack games with others who have the same badge? No? Then shut your fucking pie hole, and go back to Kansas and teach about Intelligent Dipshit to all the retards.

Somebody give these guys a job (1, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#33061188)

They've obviously got way too much time on their hands!

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (2, Insightful)

rsw (70577) | about 4 years ago | (#33061416)

They both have jobs; they did this in their spare time.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061574)

in such case they need a girlfriend/wife. Or life.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

Servaas (1050156) | about 4 years ago | (#33062014)

And a iPhone? Would you like a golden retriever with that meal sir?

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (2, Insightful)

digmshiphter (881821) | about 4 years ago | (#33062188)

in such case they need a girlfriend/wife. Or life.

I'm so sick of this shit. GTFO slashdot if you don't appreciate this. You obviously don't understand the value of a side project.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 4 years ago | (#33063688)

You obviously don't understand the value of a side project.

To some degree I'm with the parent, or, to put it another way, "Who has time for this stuff?!"

I'm 43, married, with a 27 month old toddler, and another kid due in a month. A typical day for me goes like this: Get up at 6am, feed dog, have shower, make breakfast for fam-damly. Wake up pregnant wife, feed family breakfast, walk dog. At bus stop by 745, at desk at software co by 830. Leave work a little after 5, home by 5:30ish. Play with kid, eat dinner, help clean up after dinner. Bathe kid, story time. Walk dog. 830pm - Hang with wife for an hour. In bed by 945-10ish, lights out by 1015.

Weekends - Work on fixing up old house, walk dog, take kid to park or home depot or go swimming, grill steaks. I certainly don't have time to design nifty badges...

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (4, Insightful)

JackCroww (733340) | about 4 years ago | (#33064542)

So, just because *you* don't have time for this in your life, anyone else must be criticized/condemned because they do? Buddy, you're the one who either decided to have a wife and kids, or you let the little woman browbeat you into your present situation. Your attitude and that of anyone who agrees with you just sounds like sour grapes.

I'm 43 too; I get up at 5AM, out the door at 5:30, at work by 7, out the door at 3PM, home by 4:30, pretty much the same sort of evening chores, so you're neither the first person nor the last to have a busy schedule.

On a kinder note, let me assure you that your current schedule will get easier. I have 4 girls, so I've been there. It gets easier.

In the meantime, try not to be too jealous of those who have chosen to live their life in a manner that doesn't match yours.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 4 years ago | (#33065184)

try not to be too jealous of those who have chosen to live their life in a manner that doesn't match yours.

I'm not jealous - I'm perfectly happy with my life choices. I'm just (poorly) trying to explain to most of /. that those people with kids don't understand how people have the time to invent nifty badges, and those people with the time to invent nifty badges don't understand why everyone else can't do the same thing...

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#33071744)

Buddy, you're the one who either decided to have a wife and kids, or you let the little woman browbeat you into your present situation. You're neglecting the third possibility: the condom broke.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33066250)

I'm 43, married, with a 27 month old toddler, and another kid due in a month. A typical day for me goes like this: Get up at 6am, feed dog, have shower, make breakfast for fam-damly. Wake up pregnant wife, feed family breakfast, walk dog. At bus stop by 745, at desk at software co by 830. Leave work a little after 5, home by 5:30ish. Play with kid, eat dinner, help clean up after dinner. Bathe kid, story time. Walk dog. 830pm - Hang with wife for an hour. In bed by 945-10ish, lights out by 1015.

Weekends - Work on fixing up old house, walk dog, take kid to park or home depot or go swimming, grill steaks. I certainly don't have time to design nifty badges...

Have fun with your cookie cutter life. You don't have time because you're busy living out the exact same life as millions upon millions of other people.

"You ain't never gonna amount to nothin." -Faith No More

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 4 years ago | (#33067826)

You don't have time because you're busy living out the exact same life as millions upon millions of other people.

Alright, I've laid out my schedule. What would you do differently? How should I rework my day... Lay it on me.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33080408)

In short: be a creator, not a consumer.

Or if you don't want to try, at least try raise kids who'll want to create something, anything, instead of just being yet another generation of not doing much else than spawn a new one.

Earth carries two kinds of people: consumers and creators. We stand on the shoulders of a giant and that giant is the legacy of creators, not consumers.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33083810)

You made the choice to have two children and a dog.

It's not our responsibility to explain to you how to deal with the limitations you have imposed upon yourself.

IMO, nobody should have more than one kid in this day of overpopulation. (I'm sure plenty will vehemently disagree with me, though.)

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 years ago | (#33068534)

Work on fixing up old house, [...] go swimming, [...] grill steaks.

"Who has time for this stuff?!"

They create f**king amazing badges in their spare time; no time to fix up old houses, go swimming or grill steaks.

Besides, programming is pretty much purely brain-work with a little bit of typing. I dare bet I'm alone in that I do my best programming while driving my car, doing sports or taking a shower.

Also, if you go to bed "10ish", it's no wonder you have little spare time. Try adding 1 or 2 hours to your waking life and see how much you can accomplish.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 4 years ago | (#33069484)

Also, if you go to bed "10ish", it's no wonder you have little spare time. Try adding 1 or 2 hours to your waking life and see how much you can accomplish

Huh? Every sleep scientist on the planet will tell you most humans need 8-10 hours sack time a night. I get up at six, so it's lights-out by 10:15. You suggesting I should sleep-deprive myself? To what end? An early grave?

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 years ago | (#33069898)

Can you give me some link to that research? To the best of my knowledge about 5-7 hours is the norm for a typical adult. Not all people need the same amout, but 8-10 is well more than most adults need.

I'm not suggesting you sleep-deprive yourself, I'm suggesting you don't sleep more than you need to. For children and teenagers there are reasons for longer sleep, for an adult it's just a waste of time.

Personally I usually sleep for about 5 hours. Doesn't matter how late or early I go to bed, I always wake well rested in about 5 hours.

Non-authoritive links, these were just the first few to show up on google.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1812420,00.html [time.com]
http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/sleep-needs [webmd.com]
http://www.wikihow.com/Know-How-Much-Sleep-You-Need [wikihow.com]

Again; please provide some backup for your claim of what "every sleep scientist on the planet" will tell me.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (2, Informative)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 4 years ago | (#33071854)

please provide some backup for your claim of what "every sleep scientist on the planet" will tell me

A good source for this stuff is the National Sleep Foundation - Lots of good science. To cut to the chase -

http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/how-sleep-works/how-much-sleep-do-we-really-need [sleepfoundation.org]

See "How much sleep do you really need" table 2/3s of the way down.

Quote: Though research cannot pinpoint an exact amount of sleep need by people at different ages, the table identifies the "rule-of-thumb" amounts most experts have agreed upon.

I personally fall within the majority on the bell curve - I need around 8 hours per night. Sounds like you're in the minority and do well with less.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | about 4 years ago | (#33062190)

Yes, if only they had a real life like you, where they sit around trolling slashdot as an AC.

Re:Somebody give these guys a job (1)

junk (33527) | about 4 years ago | (#33062202)

Jealous much? Ninjas are all well employed (sans one who won't be named) and very social individuals. Where your hobbies including trolling, this happens to be a hobby of the crew that hacked this out.

Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (2, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 4 years ago | (#33061190)

I think if you use the word "awesome" twice or more in a slashdot summary you have to forfeit your adulthood.

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (5, Funny)

revlayle (964221) | about 4 years ago | (#33061384)

adulthood is a bit overrated... FORFEIT AWAY!

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (3, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 4 years ago | (#33061480)

just a bit overrated?

Bills, less vacation time, consequences for failure... I'd say adulthood bytes!

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | about 4 years ago | (#33067320)

Yes but there are bars for that.

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (2, Funny)

icebraining (1313345) | about 4 years ago | (#33061436)

What if the submitter is talking about Awesome [naquadah.org] ?

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (1)

MagicM (85041) | about 4 years ago | (#33061442)

Awesome!

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061620)

I'm pretty sure when he said "awesome" he meant "gay," because that 's teh gayest shit I've seen all week.

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (2, Funny)

ChefInnocent (667809) | about 4 years ago | (#33061652)

But dude, it's like totally gnarly. It's bad to the b to the o to the n to the e. It rocks, kicks @ss, and is uber cool. This badge is so far out there man, it's trippindicular. The only way for an old pothead^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWired writer to express it was by doubling the awesomeness of these badges.

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (1)

lightversusdark (922292) | about 4 years ago | (#33062908)

I am not convinved by this proposal.

Re:Just Tell Me One Thing... Is it Awesome? (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | about 4 years ago | (#33067130)

Ah but the questions begs: Do infants enjoy infancy, as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Ninja'd the first post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061192)

Booyeah

childish toys. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061194)

how far you have fallen, DefCon 2010.
from a hacking party and a learning experience to a convention for children with marketing by facebook(TM).

Re:childish toys. (4, Insightful)

junk (33527) | about 4 years ago | (#33062314)

children? are you serious? ninja networks has been a part of defcon since inception. we've been attending, participating and throwing parties (yay, minibosses!) for years. the FB sponsorship just allows us to one up ourselves from last year. sit on it.

Ninjas win (2, Insightful)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 4 years ago | (#33061204)

Pirates have a long way to go if they want to match this sheer level of awesome.

Re:Ninjas win (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 4 years ago | (#33061260)

If you RTFA you would have seen that the badges have a Ninja AND a Pirate ARGHHHH!

Re:Ninjas win (2, Informative)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 4 years ago | (#33061310)

And if you read even more carefully, you learn that these were MADE by a group called "The Ninjas". Not "the ninjas and the pirates".

Re:Ninjas win (1)

junk (33527) | about 4 years ago | (#33062224)

Had Wired paid more attention they would have made it clear that the crew is Ninja Networks and the individuals are Ninjas.

Re:Ninjas win (1)

maotx (765127) | about 4 years ago | (#33061270)

I think the pirates [adultfilmdatabase.com] are winning.

AWESOME! (2, Insightful)

kiljoy001 (809756) | about 4 years ago | (#33061274)

Too bad, This would be something I would buy for office meetings :)

oblig (4, Funny)

demonbug (309515) | about 4 years ago | (#33061360)

Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!

Re:oblig (2, Funny)

Selfbain (624722) | about 4 years ago | (#33061390)

Without one you'll be defenseless against ninja attacks though.

Re:oblig (2, Funny)

HeckRuler (1369601) | about 4 years ago | (#33061476)

Or impervious.
But the goons would give you the boot.

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061368)

just how long it will take for someone to hack it and crown themselves a 'winner'!

oh the irony (5, Insightful)

Shanrak (1037504) | about 4 years ago | (#33061370)

Anyone else enjoying the irony that Facebook, with tons of known holes where private information can be leaked, is sponsoring the Ninja group at DefCon.

Re:oh the irony (2, Funny)

minogully (1855264) | about 4 years ago | (#33061398)

They're probably just trying to get on teh hackers' good sides so they won't get hacked.

Re:oh the irony (2, Funny)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | about 4 years ago | (#33061716)

Alright, ye hacker community. Get your hands on one of these things and hack the interface before the show. This is a requirement, I shouldn't have even had to post this. That is all.

Re:oh the irony (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33064914)

Are they the same guys doing the huge drinking party the day or week after defcon? If so I met a few of them a few months back at a certain meeting place that will remain unnamed. In addition to funding that sort of thing, I believe they said FB is also funding their drinking party this year, which is going to be over 1k people and a fully open bar. I thought it pretty impressive even if it's not really my thing :)

Wired... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061410)

I convinved the Ninjas to give Wired.com an exclusive sneak peek, and let me tell you, this thing is awesome."

Yeah, but if you write for Wired, you probably think being able to tie your shoes is awesome.

Re:Wired... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33061738)

You mean weird as in how Homer Simpson says it!

Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (4, Interesting)

gravos (912628) | about 4 years ago | (#33061626)

Now that wireless hardware is so cheap I'm surprised we don't see more of these made commercially. Why are there so few of those little handheld electronic games that have wireless connectivity? They could sell like 4 of em together in one package.

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (1)

chrisj_0 (825246) | about 4 years ago | (#33062210)

Well you can't have a game system without "awesome" graphics. Being fun doesn't cut it anymore :(

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (2, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | about 4 years ago | (#33062236)

The components might be cheap, but I'm guessing it requires a lot of effort and development to actually make something that works. The companies making cheap electronic games aren't going to spend the money, if they even have the resources to devote to this. Most are just designing new shells for whatever crap Chinese companies have pumped out for the domestic market. The company with the money and interest are going at higher end markets.

That said, toy technology is at an impressive state compared to 20 years ago. Sometimes I'm taken aback by the level of technology and sophistication found in a lot of toys. Ironically, quality isn't what it used to be in a lot of cases.

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (3, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 years ago | (#33062662)

Now that wireless hardware is so cheap I'm surprised we don't see more of these made commercially. Why are there so few of those little handheld electronic games that have wireless connectivity? They could sell like 4 of em together in one package.

They're too expensive.

If we take a BOM cost of maybe $15 for all those parts and assembly and such, you're looking at a toy that'll sell for $60+. Which is a super-expensive toy - parents balk at paying that much. The ideal toy price is around $20 - $10 is great, $30 is tops, and $50 is expensive.

Those little electronic handheld games that sell for $10 probably cost $1 in total cost to the manufacturer, and the retailer probably paid $5 for it (probably $6-7 after warehouse and shipping and such). $20 game may probably cost $3 to manufacture.

If the manufacturer was making low margins, that $15 badge would probably sell for $25 wholesale and maybe $50 MSRP.

If you think those margins are high, remember they include store overhead, defect overhead (many of these things are just thrown away if a customer returns it as defective, and the manufacturer and retailer look at those return rates to determine how much will be paid), plus shipping from manufacturer to retailer warehouse to retailer. Plus, when the retailer starts discounting as well...

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (3, Interesting)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about 4 years ago | (#33062766)

They exist, they just weren't hugely popular. The ones I saw were an extension of the Tamagotchi idea. Build up your little guy, the make him fight with anyone who comes within 20 feet of you.

Probably also a bit of a critical mass thing too, if not enough people have one, then running into someone else with one is going to be pretty rare, so it won't be as much fun, so less people will buy one, so you'll never get enough people with one to make it worthwhile.

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33065822)

i believe that game you speak of was Hasbro's Pox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-O-X
http://www.streettech.com/archives_gadget/pox.html

Re:Wireless is cheap, why so unpopular? (2, Insightful)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about 4 years ago | (#33069362)

Released in 2001

I didn't realize it was that long ago. I'm too young to feel old.

Take this public!!! NINJA BATTLE (4, Funny)

L3370 (1421413) | about 4 years ago | (#33061756)

Imagine you are in a restaurant minding your own business and enjoying a meal with your family. Your ninja alert beeps of as an enemy approaches the dinner table. An adversary (random stranger) has received the same alert...and at this point there is only one thing you both can do.

Jump up on the table. Stomp your bread roll and kick off the lobster bisque. Out from your guts you scream NINJAAAAA BATTTLLLLLLLLE!!!!
At the end one enjoys victory, the other tastes defeat. But both of you will share a chuckle.

Re:Take this public!!! NINJA BATTLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33065636)

But both of you will share a chuckle.

And a cell in the local police station?

Re:Take this public!!! NINJA BATTLE (2, Funny)

icarusalways (1866076) | about 4 years ago | (#33067512)

Out from your guts you scream NINJAAAAA BATTTLLLLLLLLE!!!!

Your scenario sounds like a modern day pokemon epidemic... with ninjas!

It's the Ninja from Bruce Lee! (5, Informative)

beej (82035) | about 4 years ago | (#33061986)

It's from the game Bruce Lee for the C64. That I recognized it has to be worth at least one geek point. ;-)

http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Bruce_Lee [c64-wiki.com]

Re:It's the Ninja from Bruce Lee! (1)

hitmark (640295) | about 4 years ago | (#33066716)

ah yes, the game with the geen "cow" (he sounds like one when he shouts, imo).

Re:It's the Ninja from Bruce Lee! (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | about 4 years ago | (#33067782)

Glad someone else noticed!

i loved that game. There's a PC port of it somewhere on the webbernets.

Ninjas! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33062154)

Did some say Ninjas?!

The real game... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33062338)

The real game will be hacking the badge and/or leaderboard system. It would be interesting to see a detailed write up on how they have implemented the system and what measures they have taken to stop people from cheating. Neat idea.

Ninjas don't use the front door (1)

ozbird (127571) | about 4 years ago | (#33063744)

A hacking conference, cool badges with wireless capability; what could possibly go wrong?

Goon Badge Ninja Badge? (1)

dave562 (969951) | about 4 years ago | (#33063954)

Inquiring minds want to know. Is the Ninja party so exclusive that not even the Goons can get in?

Re:Goon Badge Ninja Badge? (1)

bgenzoli (855371) | about 4 years ago | (#33064844)

Goon or not, you have to have a badge to enter the party. Here's the thing, the Ninjas provide an event that has become a mainstay for Defcon attendees for years. They ask for nothing in return. There is no door fee, no fee for drinks, nor anything else. They don't ask you to stroke their egos, nor do they ask for anything at all in return. What other organization can you say that about? Do you know how much time and money are put into these events? The events are to honor those worthy of honor, those in our community that make a difference, in whatever small way. Ninja Networks tips their hat to these individuals, for no other reason than because it's the right thing to do, and people seldom do this sort of thing - especially to people in our community. Ninja Networks takes their time to make sure these people are appreciated and respected, in some small way, for the work those chosen few do. For those Nay Sayers out there, try and do something even remotely as constructive with your lives. Other than that, I won't waste any words on you. For those that appreciate this, I look forward to meeting you at Defcon. Hook

Re:Goon Badge Ninja Badge? (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 4 years ago | (#33066974)

I held it together almost all the way through, but I did throw up a little when I read "chosen few."

Re:Goon Badge Ninja Badge? (1)

dave562 (969951) | about 4 years ago | (#33068910)

How times have changed. I guess the con is a little too big for everyone to get together with DT and the speakers in the hotel bar. I'm curious. When did the Ninja events start?

Am I the only one who... (1)

Jodka (520060) | about 4 years ago | (#33064342)

..read that as "DefCon Ninja Badgers Let Hackers Do Battle"

Actually, that would be much cooler. They should replace the badges with ninja badgers.

Go ahead and flaunt it... (1)

syrinje (781614) | about 4 years ago | (#33064480)

...You insensitive clod!

Cool implementation of old stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33064572)

mybrute.com merged with a Lovegetty.

Created by Wozniak (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 4 years ago | (#33067802)

Amanda Wozniak, to be precise.
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