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Global Warming 'Undeniable,' Report Says

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the they-can't-fool-pudge dept.

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BergZ writes "Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming. 'A comprehensive review of key climate indicators confirms the world is warming and the past decade was the warmest on record,' the annual State of the Climate report declares. Compiled by more than 300 scientists from 48 countries, including Canada, the report from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said its analysis of 10 indicators that are 'clearly and directly related to surface temperatures, all tell the same story: Global warming is undeniable.'"

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More Info & Dashboard (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071066)

There's a really neat prototype dashboard [climate.gov] that presents data surrounding climate change in an intuitive way. And the report is here [noaa.gov] (from the second link in the summary). And I submitted a story [slashdot.org] that got rejected a few weeks ago about NOAA's announcement:

So far, it's been a scorcher for folks all around the world. So it might come as no surprise that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has released a report revealing 2010 having the record for warmest June, warmest April to June and warmest year to date [noaa.gov] . The announcement [msn.com] said 'Each of the 10 warmest average global temperatures recorded since 1880 have occurred in the last fifteen years. The warmest year-to-date on record, through June, was 1998, and 2010 is warmer so far.' So far we are even surpassing 1998's records which held the warmest year (despite directly contradicting reports [slashdot.org] ). It certainly seems the scads of winter precipitation we enjoyed [slashdot.org] were no indication of how we would swelter through our summer this year. Will 2010 turn it around or are we set to break more records?

Aside from that, I'm not really interested in making comments on this anymore because I'm so sick and tired of the armchair idiocy that follows (and somehow gets moderated up). Prediction: Not even 300 scientists from 48 countries and NOAA are going to convince everyone that global warming is real. At this point, I think it's just going to get worse [slashdot.org] .

Re:More Info & Dashboard (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071160)

Yeah, start with a conclusion and then go looking for evidence to support it. Looks like the climate change folks have more in common with the CDesign Proponentsists than we first thought.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071208)

Who is this "we"? Oh I get it, you're playing one of those little hyperbolic games where you ascribe malevolence to researchers, sort of like how the IDers do. I'm afraid, Cinderella, the shoe fits on your foot.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (4, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071456)

Who is this "we"? Oh I get it, you're playing one of those little hyperbolic games where you ascribe malevolence to researchers, sort of like how the IDers do. I'm afraid, Cinderella, the shoe fits on your foot.

It's TRUE! Where do you think the stereotype of "EVIL SCIENTIST" came from?

I am certain that Global Warming is an evil plot that the entire International Scientific community created in order to .... in order to...control the World! That's it! And to cause higher taxes!

Scientists want higher taxes and that's why they invented this whole global warming myth! And the reason why they want higher taxes is because.....because....um.......haven't gotten that far yet. But when I do, BEWARE! I will blow all of the Global Warming believers' arguments out of the water with my water tight logic!

Re:More Info & Dashboard (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071564)

Why drag in "IDers"? Oh I get it, you committed one of those Freudian slips where you reveal what Global Warming is really about, sort of like what you think ID is really about. I'm afraid, deceiver, that the ulterior motive shoe fits both feet.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (5, Interesting)

dachshund (300733) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071244)

Aside from that, I'm not really interested in making comments on this anymore because I'm so sick and tired of the armchair idiocy that follows (and somehow gets moderated up). Prediction: Not even 300 scientists from 48 countries and NOAA are going to convince everyone that global warming is real. At this point, I think it's just going to get worse [slashdot.org].

I think, unfortunately, that's the goal of a lot of the posting you refer to --- to frustrate reasonable people and make them get out of the business of commenting. I'd be all in favor of a reasonable, fact-based debate, but the comments on Slashdot rarely make it to that level. (I also tend to think there's a lot of multiple-account posting/moderation nonsense going on, but only the Slashdot editors themselves could prove that.)

Re:More Info & Dashboard (5, Insightful)

_bug_ (112702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071276)

When do we move on from whether or not the planet is warming up to why it's warming up?

Re:More Info & Dashboard (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071416)

. . . becauase it's not warming up. *facepalm*

Want to buy a bridge? 300 brainwashed or dishonest "scientists" wouldn't be very hard to find. Personally, I find it hilarious that 300 scientists and a government agency with a vested interest are supposed to convince me of a problem that's been proven false on every accord. The amount of scientists suing the climate change crowd for fraud is more than this puny 300. Give me a break. If I want to buy some snake oil, at least spare me the doomsday shtick.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071304)

Clearly you are not familiar with the post hoc fallacy, or as we call it here, correlationisnotcausation. You, I'm afraid, are the idiot.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071376)

Prediction: Not even 300 scientists from 48 countries and NOAA are going to convince everyone that global warming is real.

There is decreasing amounts of doubt that the world is warming up. The disconnect occurs in the automatic assumption that

1. humans are causing it

2. we MUST do something DRASTIC AND IMMEDIATE to stop it

Thats really were the terminology gets muddled. As soon as you use the catch phrase "global warming" you're assumed to be talking about "man made global warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels which has released to many greenhouse gases into the atmosphere." If we could somehow seperate the two, and we can't because (especially in the United States) liberals are ONLY concerned with the man-made "portion" of the effect, the abrasiveness of the discussions would decrease and minds would be more open.

In short, trying to cram one possible-truth at a time down someone's throat is significantly easier than two.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (2, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071380)

That's kinda why I gave up posting and really being bothered by the whole thing.

The people of this planet, for whatever reasons, will just quarrel until the whole place is baked dry. So fuck it, I'm just going to live my life and see what happens.

Re:More Info & Dashboard (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071554)

eldavojohn,

As I'm sure has been posted by others millions of times before, the question for most people is not whether GW is happening but is it man-made (or is man now the major factor). The fact that GW/CC has been so politicized (and, in a number of ways, corrupted) it makes it hard to know who's data/interpretation/conclusions to trust. Personally, I dislike the fact that the most heavily pushed solution to GW (assuming it is man-made) is to pile on taxes on businesses and individuals for their energy usage, which, incidentally, runs perfectly parallel with the liberal agenda. And who happens to be the biggest proponents of AWG? Liberals. I have an open mind to the topic in general, but I do not think it's a coincidence that the ones that are the most vocal believers in man-made GW/CC are also the ones that stand to benefit the most at the expense of others if their "solution" is implemented.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071104)

If Canada is included, I'm sold.

Re:Well (4, Interesting)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071268)

I'm somewhat curious about why we got mentioned myself. I mean, I know us Canadians love any acknowledgment that the rest of the world remembers we exist above the states but really? Is it because we're stereotypically cold?

Excuses (0, Troll)

adeft (1805910) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071108)

I love the asshats that cite the winters around PA being cold as evidence that global warming is a myth.

Re:Excuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071234)

It's dark outside. Oh dear Christ, the Sun must have been destroyed! We're doomed.

Re:Excuses (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071294)

Same asshats that state hot summers or blooming cheery blossoms in the spring are proof of global warming.

Global Warming eh? (3, Insightful)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071114)

I thought they were using the less specific term 'climate change' these days.

Re:Global Warming eh? (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071182)

Lots of people do, because it seems there are many idiots that think that if some area is colder than usual, then that instantly disproves global warming.

Re:Global Warming eh? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071368)

A rose, by any other name, is still a rose.

Personally I don't give a damn what they call it. People who go for the brand new words and try to change everyone else are just brainless followers trying to look "hip" and "fashionable" to make up for their lack of personality and willpower.

"Undeniable" (0, Troll)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071126)

Unless you're a Republican or a corporate shill, that is.

Re:"Undeniable" (4, Insightful)

butlerm (3112) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071190)

There isn't an intelligent person the planet who denies that global warming is real. The debate is all about causation.

Re:"Undeniable" (0, Troll)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071272)

Expect "DNS-and-Bind" and the other "it isn't happening, and even if it were, so fucking what, and a wizard probably did it anyways" crowd to be trolling through here any minute now.

Re:"Undeniable" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071338)

Shhh... Don't confuse the Warmers with logic. They don't understand it.

Re:"Undeniable" (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071466)

There isn't an intelligent person the planet who denies that global warming is real. The debate is all about causation.

The deniers set up multiple goalposts. There are the ones who deny it's happening at all (a favorite tactic of this group is to start their time series with 1998, which was an unusally warm year, to insist that there's been no warming trend in the last 10^H^H11^H^H12 years) and then the "reasonable" ones who say it's happening but that human activity plays no part. This mirrors the pseudo-split between young earth creationists and "intelligent design" proponents almost exactly, and it's no surprise that there's a lot of crossover between the groups.

Re:"Undeniable" (2, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071514)

There isn't an intelligent person the planet who denies that global warming is real. The debate is all about causation.

Yes, it is now that the incontrovertible evidence is mounting. Of course, you will still find people eager to attack climate change scientists because they talked amongst themselves about the viability of certain data. Or perhaps news organizations (go ahead, guess which one) that go out of their way to announce "It's snowing" as evidence that Al Gore's book on climate change is pure fiction.

Other than that, yeah, it's only about causation. Oh wait, I think a "scientist" just observed that the temperature in Rush Limbaugh's studio was unusually low for this time of year... Now we have to get this debate out again. The ice on Greenland is growing! The polar bears are plentiful (on shore) and simply avoid the water out of a natural phobia, not because the ice is disappearing (it isn't!) Clearly there is reason to doubt this "global warming" thing of which you speak.

Re:"Undeniable" (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071410)

Republican or a corporate shill

There's a difference?

And this is going to help? (5, Funny)

Just_Say_Duhhh (1318603) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071128)

Why do I get that sick feeling that the heat from this discussion will only make the global warming problem worse?

oh man, this is going to be a flame-fest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071144)

got a front row seat and my bag of popcorn...

Re:oh man, this is going to be a flame-fest! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071288)

Yeah - global warming is the new evolution. Successfultroll.jpg

Undeniable? No Such Thing (0, Flamebait)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071148)

The people who decided some time ago that they dislike global warming for whatever reason will always find a way to rationalize their denial of it. They are not about to let some pesky "facts" from "experts" cloud their judgment.

Re:Undeniable? No Such Thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071324)

And the people who've already decided what their opposition is arguing will continue to mock them for it no matter how plainly we restate our position over and over.

But is it caused by humans? (1, Interesting)

flimm (1626043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071154)

I thought the issue wasn't whether climate change was happening, but whether it was artificial or natural.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071238)

I thought the issue wasn't whether climate change was happening, but whether it was artificial or natural.

That doesn't really matter. The consequences are the same whether the cause is mankind, natural forces, or some alien kid's science project.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071420)

If it's man-made there's some hope to at least some hope to slow it down. Of course, those who make a considerable amount of money on fossil fuel production have a lot to lose if everyone says "it's oil and coal!" so they put a lot of money and effort into denying anthropogenic theories.

What gets me is why whether the warming is anthropogenic or not is even that big deal. Sooner or later we're going to run out of cheap oil. To some extent, we already have, which is why oil companies are taking larger and larger risks in deep sea drilling. At some point, depending on who you ask, we're going to run out of cheap oil, and since oil basically underlines the global economy, it's going to spell considerable trouble. Beyond that, oil is the key ingredient in many industrial processes, material manufacturing and so forth. Frankly, if I had my way, I'd make a criminal offense to even use oil to produce gasoline, diesel and so forth. It's the most ludicrous waste of a diminishing resource.

Of course, there may be some positive benefits to us burning through hydrocarbons here on Earth. Maybe going out and mining it from places like Titan will become economically feasible.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (0, Offtopic)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071240)

The real issue is how to most efficiently funnel money to Goldman Sachs [risk.net] now that the housing bubble and the bank bailouts are over. The need to keep doing God's work [wsj.com] after all.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071516)

If we keep dumping money in banks instead of fixing this kind of problems won't be God's work... will be Darwin's one.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (1, Flamebait)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071298)

I thought the issue wasn't whether climate change was happening, but whether it was artificial or natural.

Nah, there are plenty of people who deny it outright. To plenty of people, the whole global warming issue is nothing but a grand socialist conspiracy aiming to take away their god-given right to do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want to do it, with no regards whatsoever to any part of the planet that might exist beyond their own nose.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071484)

Very good. Someone else who asks the question I wonder about. The problem I see is that the agents who support global warming as an anthropogenic caused event have just as much financial interest in their position as they claim the anti global warming have. Green companies are still companies and still have to generate a profit just as the oil companies, car companies, etc.

We'll be better off once all parties admit their biases on the matter and we can look at the data and results with ALL the biases taken into account.

Re:But is it caused by humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071490)

And specifically, what role co2 plays.

There is also a conflict of attitudes. Like, if we can't nail down what caused what, should we assume it's mans co2 emissions and panic, or do assume it's El Niño and do nothing. Do we assume the worst or the best?

So

Re:But is it caused by humans? (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071494)

I've seen many posts claiming that the world has been cooling since 1998. And there are the ones with links to pictures to a handful of weather stations that are in new parking lots or next to a newly installed air conditioner, claiming that the observed warming is due to an urban heat island effect. Then there are those that claim any increase in sea ice extent means that ice is not melting, even though sea ice extent measures only the surface area of ice, and the volume of ice has been decreasing for the last several decades.

Maybe now we can at least accept that the warming of the past several decades is real. This warming effect due to increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was predicted over 100 years ago [aip.org] .

Re:But is it caused by humans? (5, Informative)

hardburn (141468) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071526)

This particular report doesn't specify causes. It just goes over the temperature data and factors directly related to it (like humidity and glaciation). Even if the deniers could pick out one of these datasets and show that's its problematic, there would still be 9 others going the other direction--a textbook case of the Strawman.

Anthropogenic factors are proven out in other studies. There isn't a legitimate debate about that anymore, either.

The debate that's left is in the exact effects and what we can do about it. Low levels of extra CO2 in the atmosphere may actually be beneficial, but we've almost certainly blown way beyond that. Then there are large scale geoengineering projects (like putting a solar shield at L1), which are both expensive and may have unknown consequences. They're being discussed because there aren't a lot of better ideas.

It sure is undeniable. (1, Interesting)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071176)

It sure has been getting warmer since the end of the last ice age.

It's often speculated that the warming of the end, and the subsequent end of the last ice age, it was a major factor in the rise and spread of the human population.

Of course, it was the humans, ten thousand years ago, that were driving their SUVs that caused the last ice age to end.

Re:It sure is undeniable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071464)

I miss hunting in my GMC Mammoth. I used to laugh at all the other people running around throwing spears.

Well if you noticed (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071492)

this new proclamation does not have a cause listed. This allows them to to avoid some of the debate. It also allows the to solidify their side as well. Global Warming supporters all have "proofs" for their chosen cause. They just don't like to agree and some are pretty vehement in their disagreement. However they can support "Global Warming is increasing".

Still it does come down to two questions.

1) Should we be doing something to change the planet's climate?

2) Can we change the climate should we choose?

Global warming != anthropogenic (0)

HEbGb (6544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071198)

The data as presented indicates a recent warming trend, but does not say anything about whether this is man-made or not; a 0.5deg rise in 50 years is extremely small in the scheme of things, and drawing the usual alarmist conclusions from this is quite unfounded.

Re:Global warming != anthropogenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071370)

Or, for those, who prefer it in other terms, a correlation between the great technological and population leaps we've made as the temperature of the earth has increased does not mean we've caused it. The causation could go the other way, or be completely unrelated.

Correlation != Causation with respect to the recent rise of humans and the recent rise of temperatures

Re:Global warming != anthropogenic (5, Interesting)

stagg (1606187) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071392)

Does it matter if it's anthropogenic? I'm against a hot world with rising seas, melting ice caps and global drought. I'm against all of the other terrible nastiness associated with it. I don't give a damn who we blame, but let's find a way to halt/fix it, shall we?

Re:Global warming != anthropogenic (3, Insightful)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071504)

Does it matter if it's anthropogenic? I'm against a hot world with rising seas, melting ice caps and global drought. I'm against all of the other terrible nastiness associated with it. I don't give a damn who we blame, but let's find a way to halt/fix it, shall we?

If it's nonanthropogenic, there probably is not a way to stop it.

Two Different Thoughts (1, Interesting)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071202)

There are (at least) two camps in the global warming skeptics camp--those who deny it is happening, and those like me who know it's happening but don't think it's worth changing our entire civilization to try and stop something that is, well, already happening anyway.

Re:Two Different Thoughts (5, Insightful)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071362)

"well the basement is flooding but it's already STARTED flooding so why should we bother going down and turning off the tap? My pants would get wet and it's already a bit wet down there anyways. What do you mean 'structural damage if it gets worse?' That doesn't make any sense to me."

Re:Two Different Thoughts (1, Insightful)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071444)

A better example is that we've been wandering around on the beach during low tide [wikimedia.org] and now are getting all upset because the water level is rising.

Re:Two Different Thoughts (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071412)

and those like me who know it's happening but don't think it's worth changing our entire civilization to try and stop something that is, well, already happening anyway.

No worry, it's a self correcting problem. Climate change will change our entire civilization.

Re:Two Different Thoughts (4, Informative)

afabbro (33948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071536)

No, the camps are:

  • Believes climate change is occurring and it's anthropogenic.
  • Believes climate change is occurring but it's nonanthropogenic.
  • Does not believe climate change is occurring.

no global warming != no MAN MADE global warming (1, Interesting)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071214)

I dont think that the majority of deniers dont believe that the world is warming, I think the majority just believe that its not mans fault, that it is in fact natural. I mean who are we to think we have that much power over the entire planet?

It's man who makes the earth warmer (-1, Troll)

chuckhriczko (1781584) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071224)

What people don't realize is that the earth will get warmer with machinery,cars, power plants, etc. It's just the way it is. If we had none of these the earth would be the same temperature as it was in the 1800s.

The truth is (0)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071236)

Most of the earth was buried under glaciers as little as 100,000 years ago. Of course there is global warming. Only crackpots would deny it.

The cause, on the other hand...

I'm still not convinced it's us.

Re:The truth is (4, Insightful)

Arlet (29997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071422)

Why would the presence of glaciers 100,000 years ago cause (accelerated) warming in recent times ?

we don't need more studies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071256)

So.. the scientists keep trying to convince people who either refuse to accept logic and reason or are too stupid for it, by using more clear science.

This will change the minds of zero people.

Re:we don't need more studies (1)

DarKnyht (671407) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071540)

So.. the scientists keep trying to convince people who either refuse to accept logic and reason or are too stupid for it, by using more clear science.

This will change the minds of zero people.

The problem is the half-baked climate models that show doomsday scenarios for everyone. Scientists can barely tell what the weather will be like a week from now, but they are accurately predicting the end of the world???

I think things are getting warmer, but I am not convinced it is man made. By their estimates the combined farting of everyone on earth over the past 100 years should have killed us all already, not to mention after the bean burrito became popular.

I do however believe is that we are stewards of what is around us. And as such we have a moral obligation to do our best to take care of it and it's inhabitants.

Not News (1)

butlerm (3112) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071262)

This is not news. There is no debate about whether global warming is real. All available sources show a warming trend when averaged over the past thirty years.

I don't know why these people bother, except perhaps as a red herring to distract people from the real controversy, which is about causation.

Re:Not News (1)

Arlet (29997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071356)

They bother, because there are still plenty of people not convinced that the earth is indeed warming.

Re:Not News (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071366)

except perhaps as a red herring to distract people from the real controversy, which is about causation

Careful - start asking people why the climate started getting increasingly erratic 3 million years ago [wikimedia.org] and they'll lable you as a troll.

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071302)

Wake me when as strong a statement can be made about Human caused global warming.

This just in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071308)

Superiority of Ananymous Cowards is undeniable due to quantity of posts. News at 11

Undeniable, huh (1, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071310)

It's undeniable. Great. That clears it up. Where is the report that offers "undeniable" proof of God, and the "undeniable" inevitable end of crude oil deposits in the Earth? I am going to file these with my "undeniable" reports on Sky being blue, Sun being warm, and water being wet.

Poor Polar Bears!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071334)

Anyone else get a kick out of the doctored photo in the Telegraph article. Those poor polar bears have been stuck up on that iceberg for weeks while it melted underneath them and now they can't go anywhere. Damn that global warming!!!

P.S. Is there any difference between using a doctored photo to sell global warming and using doctored data to sell global warming (and literally make trillions of dollars off the backs of the rubes in the process)?

Idiotic phrasing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071342)

The fact that the climate changes has always been an indisputable fact. There are piles of historical evidence of this which reach higher than your head. Unfortunately, many (most?) people hear the phrase "Global Warming" and think it means "It's all our fault."

The only real questions is: How much influence are humans having on the natural process of climate change?

So what is it? (-1, Redundant)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071358)

I thought it wasn't called 'Global Warming' anymore so they could rationalize how some places get colder while others get warmer. Hence why everybody started calling it 'Climate Change'. So which is it, Global Warming or Climate Change?

Re:So what is it? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071500)

So which is it, Global Warming or Climate Change?

      Depends. Do you call it "Christmas" or "Holidays"? The only reason "global warming" was changed to "climate change" was an attempt to take out the "warming" part so that they wouldn't get jumped on every time the odd year ended up colder than expected (which is completely normal - natural phenomena don't follow graphs exactly). However the change neither adds value or information to the name. It's a political thing, it's lame, and I refuse to be forced to change by people in a country that doesn't even adopt the metric system.

Warming trends, and cooling.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071364)

Fuck it. We are already in a warming trend that will eventually result in a cooling trend heading for the next ice age. Lets just get it over with and warm this puppy up! Then we can enjoy the cool slide down to freezing!

Then what will happen? It'll start all over again.

The only point worth arguing about is whether we warm the planet enough to make a real difference in our species survival. If we can weather the hottest the hot trend can dole out as well as the coldest the cold trend will give us, what does it really matter?

Obviously pollution sucks, but beyond that? I mean seriously, whether or not we succeed in stopping _human_ attributed warming or not doesn't stop the natural trend, it will merely slow it.

Again, I'm not advocating we throw caution to the wind and utterly destroy our planet though mass pollution, but stopping a recurring trend is futile. My point is to question whether or not there is any point to slowing a trend that will eventually peak and fall off to another ice age all on its own. Specifically, mathematically, when is the next ice age due on a non-human involved timeline and when are we apt to see it due to our being?

Re:Warming trends, and cooling.. (1)

singingjim1 (1070652) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071508)

I'm guessing the biggest worry was about shrinking land masses due to the rise in ocean levels from melting ice caps. I'm not so sure that the survival of the species in general was in question. Just a helluva lot of coastal cities disappearing. I live about 10 miles from the beach so I would actually benefit from this phenomenon if it gave me waterfront property over time.

Plains Indian Rain Dance (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071400)

Not since the Plains Indian (USA) rain dances of hundreds of years ago have so many been so wrong about controlling the weather.

Soooooo (2, Interesting)

NetNed (955141) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071418)

What does this say then about all the measures taken so far to quell the onset of global warming? If it has just gotten warmer with all the emissions controls, then is it just egotistical to think that what we change has any effect (at least in the US)?

Lifting the Lid on the Guilty Yid (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071424)

The liberals got it exactly right. For years now they’ve been telling us how “vibrant” mass immigration has made stale, pale White societies. Well, London was certainly vibrating on 7th July and that got me thinking: What else have the liberals got right? Mass immigration “enriches” us too, they’ve always said. Is that “enrich” as in “enriched uranium”, an excellent way of making atom bombs? Because that’s what comes next: a weapon of real mass destruction that won’t kill people in piffling dozens but in hundreds of thousands or millions. Bye-bye London, bye-bye Washington, bye-bye Tel Aviv.

I’m not too sure I’d shed a tear if the last-named went up in a shower of radioactive cinders, but Tel Aviv is actually the least likely of the three to be hit. What’s good for you ain’t good for Jews, and though Jews have striven mightily, and mighty successfully, to turn White nations into multi-racial fever-swamps, mass immigration has passed the Muzzerland safely by. And mass immigration is the key to what happened in London. You don’t need a sophisticated socio-political analysis taking in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Jewish control of Anglo-American foreign policy, British colonialism, and fifteen centuries of Christian-Muslim conflict. You can explain the London bombs in five simple words:

Pakis do not belong here.

And you can sum up how to prevent further London bombs – and worse – in three simple words:

PAKI GO HOME.

At any time before the 1950s, brown-skinned Muslim terrorists would have found it nearly impossible to plan and commit atrocities on British soil, because they would have stood out like sore thumbs in Britain’s overwhelmingly White cities. Today, thanks to decades of mass immigration, it’s often Whites who stand out like sore thumbs. Our cities swarm with non-whites full of anti-White grievances and hatreds created by Judeo-liberal propaganda. And let’s forget the hot air about how potential terrorists and terrorist sympathizers are a “tiny minority” of Britain’s vibrant, peace-loving Muslim “community”.

Even if that’s true, a tiny minority of 1.6 million (2001 estimate) is a hell of a lot of people, and there’s very good reason to believe it isn’t true. Tony Blair has tried to buy off Britain’s corrupt and greedy “moderate” Muslims with knighthoods and public flattery, but his rhetoric about the “religion of peace” wore thin long ago. After the bombings he vowed, with his trademark bad actor’s pauses, that we will... not rest until... the guilty men are identified... and as far... as is humanly possible... brought to justice for this... this murderous carnage... of the innocent.

His slimy lawyer’s get-out clause – “as far as is humanly possible” – was soon needed. Unlike Blair and his pal Dubya in Iraq and Afghanistan, the bombers were prepared not only to kill the innocent but to die themselves as they did so. And to laugh at the prospect: they were captured on CCTV sharing a joke about the limbs and heads that would shortly be flying. Even someone as dim as Blair must know you’ve got a big problem on your hands when there are over 1.6 million people in your country following a religion like that.

If he doesn’t know, there are plenty of Jewish journalists who will point it out for him. There’s the neo-conservative Melanie Phillips in Britain, for example, who never met an indignant adverb she didn’t like, and the neo-conservative Mark Steyn in Canada, who never met an indignant Arab he didn’t kick. Reading their hard-hitting columns on Muslim psychosis, I was reminded of a famous scene in Charles Dickens’ notoriously anti-Semitic novel Oliver Twist (1839). The hero watches the training of the villainous old Jew Fagin put into action by the Artful Dodger:

What was Oliver’s horror and alarm to see the Dodger plunge his hand into the old gentleman’s pocket, and draw from thence a handkerchief! To see him hand the same to Charley Bates; and finally to behold them both running away round the corner at full speed! He stood for a moment tingling from terror; then, confused and frightened, he took to his heels and made off as fast as he could lay his feet to the ground.
In the very instant when Oliver began to run, the old gentleman, putting his hand to his pocket, and missing his handkerchief, turned sharp round. Seeing the boy scudding away, he very naturally concluded him to be the depredator; and shouting “Stop thief!” with all his might, made off after him. But the old gentleman was not the only person who raised the hue-and-cry. The Dodger and Master Bates, unwilling to attract public attention by running down the open street, had merely retired into the very first doorway round the corner. They no sooner heard the cry, and saw Oliver running, than, guessing exactly how the matter stood, they issued forth with great promptitude; and, shouting “Stop thief!” too, joined in the pursuit like good citizens.

“Wicked Muslims!” our two Jewish Artful Dodgers are shouting. “Can’t you see how they hate the West and want to destroy us?” Well, yes, we can, but some of us can also see who the original West-haters are. Mark Steyn claims not to be Jewish, but his ancestry shines through time after time in his writing. Above all, there’s his dishonesty. One week he’s mocking anti-Semites for claiming that the tiny nation of Israel could have such a powerful influence for bad on the world’s affairs. The following week he’s praising the British Empire for having had such a powerful influence for good. You know, the world-bestriding British Empire – as created by a tiny nation called Britain.

If the Brits could do it openly and honestly, Mr Steyn, why can’t the yids do it by fraud and deception? And the yids have done it, of course. They’ve run immigration policy and “race relations” in Europe and America since the 1960s, and Steyn is very fond of pointing out what’s in store for Europe as our Jew-invited non-white guests grow in number and really start to show their appreciation of our hospitality.

Funnily enough, I’ve never seen him point out that the same is in store for North America, which has its own rapidly growing non-white swarms. And when Steyn launches one of his regular attacks on the lunacies of multi-culturalism and anti-racism, a central fact always somehow seems to escape his notice. He recently once again bemoaned the psychotic “Western self-loathing” that has such a “grip on the academy, the media, the Congregational and Episcopal Churches, the ‘arts’ and Hollywood”. Exhibit one: the multi-culti, hug-the-world, “Let’s all be nice to the Muslims” memorial for 9/11. This was his list of those responsible for it:

Tom Bernstein... Michael Posner... Eric Foner... George Soros...
Well, that’s a Jew, a Jew, a Jew, and a Jew – sounds like a lampshade collector showing off his Auschwitz shelf. But fearless “Tell It Like It Is” Steyn, ever-ready to mock the “racial sensitivity” of deluded liberals, is himself very sensitive about race when it comes to the Chosen Ones. He’ll kick dark-skinned Muslims and their liberal appeasers till the sacred cows come home and he can start kicking them too, but just like Melanie Phillips he never whispers a word about the Jews who created liberal appeasement or about the enormous power Jews wield in “the academy, the media, the 'arts', and Hollywood”.

The same is true of all other Jewish “conservatives”. They’re shouting “Stop thief!” at the top of their voices and hoping that no-one will notice that they all belong to the biggest race of thieves who ever existed. Those bombs went off in London because Jews have stolen large parts of Britain from their rightful White inhabitants and handed them over to the non-white followers of a psychotic alien religion. When non-whites commit more and worse atrocities in future, you won’t need to ask who’s really responsible: it’s liberal Jews like Tom Bernstein and George Soros, who organize mass immigration and the anti-racism industry, and “conservative” Jews like Mark Steyn and Melanie Phillips, who distract White attention from the racial motives of Jews like Soros and Bernstein. Heads they win, tails we lose – liberal, “conservative”, they’re all of them Jews.

Translation: Hold on to your wallet! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071452)

Maybe I can buy my way out of this if I buy some Officially Sanctioned carbon indulgences from ManBearPig.

Completely false (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33071458)

this is just an attempt to overcome the last climate data debacle by the liberal left....The graphs actually show declining temperatures since 2000 or 1999. I guess they think if they say it enough everyone will just believe it.....exactly as Hitler thought.

The important question (0, Redundant)

Synon (847155) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071480)

Ok, I can live with that, global warming is undeniable. The important question is, are we CAUSING global warming?

Re:The important question (2, Informative)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071558)

There is no credible evidence that supports the hypothesis that humans are causing the alleged, theorized global warming.

"Undeniable" Skews the Discussion (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071544)

The real question is whether human activities and human activities which humans are WILLING to curtail are the source of a significant part of the warming?

After all, the Earth has been warming globally for over WELL OVER 10,000 years during the time the last Ice Age receeded until the present.

Framing arguments with an improper word to skew things is NOT good science.

Re:"Undeniable" Skews the Discussion (4, Interesting)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071586)

After all, the Earth has been warming globally for over WELL OVER 10,000 years during the time the last Ice Age receeded until the present.

When you look at it from a longer timescale [wikimedia.org] the ice age isn't completely over yet.

The flood is coming! NOAA save us! (5, Funny)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071556)

Am I the only one who thinks news of an impending rise in sea level is brought to us by a group called "NOAA?"

Re:The flood is coming! NOAA save us! (1)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071578)

Opps, I meant "thinks it's funny that news.." not "thinks news" Sorry for the hasty post

Environmental dumping has never been good (3, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071562)

The study does not address the cause of the warming.

We know no we have caused acid rain and the ozone hole by releasing different materials into the air.

We know that when we mess around with our environment whether it be with lead, pcbs, dioxins or really another chemical it causes problems.

Why do people find it so hard to believe that the incredible increase in atmospheric CO2 is not a problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeling_Curve

Of course its deniable... (4, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 3 years ago | (#33071576)

People deny evolution. People deny global warming...

People are incredibly good at denying that reality exists, especially when its reality they don't want to comprehend.

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