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String Quartets On the Web?

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the allegro-non-troppo dept.

Music 228

rueger writes "Lots of people love iTunes. I'm partial to emusic.com. Ubuntu comes pre-equipped for Jamendo and Magnatune. These are great for those of us hunting popular music — but where do lovers of classical music go to find new artists and albums, download music, and generally keep informed, up to date, and satisfied? As my girlfriend put it, 'I used to go to the big classical record stores downtown, but they're gone.' Where do people go to find the newest Ligeti String Quartet recording?"

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You use Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119372)

Do you smoke cocks too?

Re:You use Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119404)

I think this whole question is a troll. He says he has a girlfriend and uses Ubuntu. One is a lie. Geeks don't have girlfriends. :p

Re: You use Linux? (0, Offtopic)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119846)

He says he has a girlfriend and uses Ubuntu. One is a lie. Geeks don't have girlfriends.

Maybe he met a girl who uses Ubuntu and is fantasizing about both.

Re: You use Linux? (0, Offtopic)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120112)

Maybe he does use Ubuntu and he met a girl who is using him.

Re:You use Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119656)

Do you smoke cocks too?

No, you're thinking of Mac users. Linux users don't get laid. [istheshit.net]

iTunes doesn't suck (3, Informative)

Bayoudegradeable (1003768) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119382)

iTunes carries a pretty good classical catalog for a casual listener as myself. If you can't find what you want online maybe you could contact the artists/label directly? I can only imagine the website sells the cds if they aren't selling digitally through another outlet.

Re:iTunes doesn't suck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119616)

www.what.cd

Re:iTunes doesn't suck (2, Informative)

jandersen (462034) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119930)

Certainly if by "Classical" you mean "the usual suspects" or the "popular tunes" (a concept that is certain to make the real connoisseur shudder - not that I am one). Personally, I am a big fan of renaissance lute music, and for a specialised area as that, you have to attend the fora that exist for that sort of things; people there will know where to go and find what you want. Probably.

Re:iTunes doesn't suck (2, Informative)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120188)

Magnatune has a pretty OK selection of that sort of thing (renaissance lute music). There are rather many performers of early music compared to listeners, forcing some to try new avenues like Magnatune.

The Truth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120006)

When I heard the news, I almost had an orgasim. Seriously, when I heard musical theater was involved, my cock got hard, and soon a throbbing feeling came about, and then an upwelling of pleasure, and then I exploaded in a creamy shower of sticky goodness.

My black lab licked it all up off the floor, and then cleaned my sack.

Nice dog.

Re:iTunes doesn't suck (5, Informative)

Netssansfrontieres (214626) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120108)

IMHO: iTunes is (or at least was ... I stopped looking last year) pretty pathetic. Here's why. Suppose you want to listen to Bach suites for solo cello. Sure, they've got a version or two, but I want a version played by a master on a great instrument. Casals? Check, but old. Rostropovich? Nope, sorry.

Or, I want to listen to something (a lot) more current: Kronos Quartet? Some. Alarm will sound? ok. Bang on a Can? Nope, sorry.

It *does* seem to have both Glenn Gould recordings of Goldberg, which is an improvement (and, yes, they're very different).

This, especially the latter observation is surely connected to the recent /. discussion about use of computer-controlled instruments. It seems to have taken iTunes a very long time indeed to understand that two recordings of the same piece, by different ensembles or performers, using different instruments, under different circumstances, reveal the piece in entirely different ways. They're not the same thing.

Amazon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119398)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=The%2BParker%2BQuartet%2BLigeti&x=12&y=16&fsc=-1

DRM-free MP3s to boot.

Re:Amazon? (3, Interesting)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119762)

Amazon's great for CDs, but as a denizen of the world outside of the US, I find they usually don't offer the advertised downloads. You can click through the links, only to be told at the final stages of the transaction that you're out of luck.

But in practice, for classical music I only buy CDs anyway. Assuming they aren't badly recorded, they are pretty much always superior to the more common levels of audio compression. Classical music has a habit of exposing defects in compression much more than most "plugged-in" bands. There are some artists, however, such as Jacob Heringman [heringman.com] who do offer their recordings as uncompressed .wav files that you can burn to CD or play directly.

That doesn't mean I don't use compressed file on my iPod, I just accept that the latter is used in conditions where sound reproduction doesn't matter as much.

Re:Amazon? (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119960)

Forget the ipod for classical. I much prefer a music player with FLAC support and a decent pair of ear canal headphones. My Sennheiser CX 270 set are nice and I've managed to listen to a quiet note with a metro (subway) screeching into the stop with no trouble.

Just.. don't wear them while driving.

Re:Amazon? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120038)

Find yourself a proxy within the US or another market where it's offered. Of course they might check the credi card number too, so you may still be out of luck.

I've moved to australia, but only recently so I still have a uk card to use, and a friend over there with a box I can ssh into for a proxy. It's a pain, but it works.

Re:Amazon? (1)

gblackwo (1087063) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120070)

Yeah, you can forget trying to get good current Russian music, or non-american club music on Amazon or Itunes. For club music, Dance-tunes.com is pretty awesome, and in several ways better than Itunes.

Amazon MP3 Downloads? (1)

juancnuno (946732) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119400)

Amazon MP3 Downloads? [amazon.com]

Re:Amazon MP3 Downloads? (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119580)

Ditto, particularly since there's an Amazon MP3 downloader for Linux. Requires a little finagling if you're running 64-bit, but it works. I have downloads going straight into Rhythmbox, and thence to my iPod.

Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" (3, Insightful)

GameGod0 (680382) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119410)

Jamendo and Magnatune are great for finding popular music?

Seeing as I'm pressed to find any Top 40 tracks on either website, I would say that they're good for finding obscure music.

(And so we're staying on topic here: I can find tons of classical music on Magnatune. String Quartets aren't out-of-mainstream enough for Magnatune or what?)

Re:Assertion Failed: "Popular Music" (1)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120194)

Ligeti string quartets are out-of-mainstream enough for anyone. Most of the people who want to listen to such things are performing it themselves - although in this case, I'm not sure it's possible, since a string quartet requires four people.

sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119418)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=classical+music+radio

This is Slashdot (2, Insightful)

xactuary (746078) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119420)

I think you mean quark strings.

some good classical stuff on Magnatune (1)

JimmytheGeek (180805) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119422)

Depends what you're looking for, of course. The major works are pretty well represented.

youtube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119424)

There's all kinds of scripts that download the .flv's to your hard drive.

Magna-Ignorance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119444)

Why don't you at least click on that link to Magnatune that you went to the trouble of inserting before presuming to say things about them?

Magnatune != Popular Music (1)

viridari (1138635) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119450)

I don't know if you've ever checked out Magnatune's offerings or not, but you're a lot more likely to find what you're looking for there than you are to find anything resembling popular music.

Hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119546)

I totally listened to that band you are talking about...
... before they were popular enough for Magnatune.

eMusic and ClassicalArchives (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119454)

Try eMusic. They have tons of classical, and it's probably a bit cheaper than Amazon in some cases. Although there is one annoyance - if a track is longer than a certain length, you might have to download the whole album to get it, which sucks if you already have different versions of the rest.

ie You find an album with a symphony and a overture piece, but you have the symphony already (perhaps a different group, or same group just different album). If the overture is over some length (I don't remember how much, something like 7 mins or so), you'd have to get the symphony anyway, burning 12 credits rather than just one. Before that, you could get some long symphonies (Bruckner...) for just 1 credit per movement.

You can also try ClassicalArchives.com . I used to be a member, but I let it lapse. That was before the new site though, and I've considered going back. (Before, they only had public domain performances, stuff put up by the groups themselves, etc, and a crapload of MIDI)

Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives (1)

ryanov (193048) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120122)

I was going to say eMusic. The author of the question says he's partial to it, but apparently it doesn't fit the bill? Don't know why. I've gotten everything I've looked for in terms of classical lately from mp3va.com, but I don't recall how pop/non-pop any of it was.

Re:eMusic and ClassicalArchives (1)

fraktus (632342) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120258)

I am on eMusic and it has a lot of classical tracks.

The problem is their credit system, very often classical tracks can be very short and sometimes you need 20 or more credits to buy a CD.

what.cd (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119456)

http://what.cd

Best audio tracker there is. Lots of classical stuff.

Re:what.cd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119628)

http://what.cd

Best audio tracker there is. Lots of classical stuff.

how to register???

Re:what.cd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119810)

It's private, so you don't, unless you know someone with invites. It is excellent, however.

Be Careful (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119464)

I'm kind of partial to Baroque and Renaissance music, especially when I have difficulty sleeping[1]. So I found some obscure corners of the web that had streaming audio and everything was as fine as Vivaldi's spring day.......until the day that my PC caught a nasty virus, probably through Windows Media Player. They didn't offer other streaming formats, so please don't suggest Linux.

If you only download MP3 files directly, things may be a little safer than streaming, but content files can contain malware also. You may be safer paying more for a reputable store. They have more to lose from an outbreak, and are thus more likely to scrub their content and respond to suspicious activity.

[1] In rough general, Rock is for waking me up, Baroque is for relaxing, and Renaissance for sleeping.

Re:Be Careful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119820)

I use Linux (Ubuntu to be exact). I have no worries streaming Windows Media Player things. I listen to Radio National [abc.net.au] quite often. I've booked marked the stream [abc.net.au] and it just opens up in Media Player. I've got it set to open in the browser, but you can make it open as a separate window as well if you like.

MS Windows. For chumps.

(And for others, but you might think you have a need for MS Windows that can actually be fulfilled by Ubuntu or another *nix distro. If you aren't willing to check it out, you're a chump.)

Re: Be Careful (4, Informative)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119822)

I'm kind of partial to Baroque and Renaissance music

kmfa.org is a non-commercial Classical station that favors the early stuff more than any other that I've come across.

They're not NPR, so they play music around the clock, but they do have the regular NPR-style begathons to keep donations coming in.

I introduced myself to Beethoven in high school, and my interests have kept creeping earlier and earlier. I'm a big fan of Renaissance music now. Presumably Medieval is next...

Re:Be Careful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119868)

In rough general, Rock is for waking me up, Rock is for relaxing, and Rock for sleeping.

Re:Be Careful (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120220)

Barock & Roll!

Re:Be Careful (1)

silly_sysiphus (1300705) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119992)

A good place for streaming classical commercial-free is "theclassicalstation.org" It's an ad-free station run out of North Carolina...if you can get past their occasional telethons, they're fantastic. They even have Ogg streams!

linn records... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119470)

http://www.linnrecords.com classical, jazz and the studio master quality files are very nice!

BBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119478)

All there classical performances are for all intents and purposes (assuming your living "in the UK" (nod nod wink wink,) and it's personal use) in the public domain.

Classical performers were trying to pull them over the coals for it a year or so back for knocking out all this free music and putting them out of business.

The only feasible explanation... (0)

cybereal (621599) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119490)

Is that whoever posed this question has never done even 10 seconds of research to answer it himself as one can easily find vast amounts of classical music online, on iTunes, Amazon, or one of the various "lesser known" stores.

I mean come on, I've downloaded several classical tracks straight from the iTunes promoted weekly single. So not only is classical available there, it's occasionally even promoted.

On top of that, every few weeks you'll see a deal on some bulk track sale on Amazon or similar stores posted to the old standby slickdeals.net site.

So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

Re:The only feasible explanation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119582)

I've been noticing a trend, lately or not; questions posed that are easily answered by 5 minutes of googling.

That being said, can someone please write me a thesis, I'm pretty lazy, but want to finish up my MS.

Re:The only feasible explanation... (2, Funny)

PrecambrianRabbit (1834412) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119954)

We can help, but I suspect your thesis will end up three parts troll and flamebait to one part insightful!

Re:The only feasible explanation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119612)

Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

OK smarty-pants, let's see how well Google does it: the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there [lmgtfy.com]

Re:The only feasible explanation... (1)

awc (1656865) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119692)

I think /. is looking to compete with google, this article happens to be the second site google spits out after our friend here lmtgfy'ed it for us.

Re:The only feasible explanation... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119678)

OK, fine, I'm sure you know more about geek-related IT stuff than the poster, but how much do you really know about classical music? Not much, judging by your post. If you're looking for a recording of the Pachelbel canon and you find a recording by the Upper Slobovnia Symphony Orchestra and are happy, you are probably not qualified to post a response. While Amazon has a very good selection of CDs for purchase, their mp3 selection is much more limited. iTunes is completely worthless if you know enough to prefer certain recordings over whatever single version they have to offer. archivmusic.com has a limited mp3 selection but it may be preferable to the bigger stores and their comments are always worth reading.

And this whole post reminds me of why I really don't like slashdot these days. It's full of arrogant young dbags like yourself that comment on something they know virtually knowing about yet speak with the authority of Kernighan discussing proper C syntax. I hope you all get through puberty someday and realize your limitations.

Re:The only feasible explanation... (1)

FewClues (724340) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119772)

Is that whoever posed this question has never done even 10 seconds of research to answer it himself as one can easily find vast amounts of classical music online, on iTunes, Amazon, or one of the various "lesser known" stores.

I mean come on, I've downloaded several classical tracks straight from the iTunes promoted weekly single. So not only is classical available there, it's occasionally even promoted.

On top of that, every few weeks you'll see a deal on some bulk track sale on Amazon or similar stores posted to the old standby slickdeals.net site.

So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

This whole post was a ruse to get us to run over and watch that amateur string quartet playing. I suppose to run up the hit count. I'm thinking that a Slashdot effect on a Youtube video would all by itself create a viral video status.

Re:The only feasible explanation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120010)

So really, why is this question here on slashdot? Is /. looking to compete with google by crowdsourcing search result for the most mundane and trivial bits of information out there?

kdawson post. 'Nuff said.

Re:The only feasible explanation... (5, Informative)

Nautical Insanity (1190003) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120088)

As a student studying classical music at a conservatory I can testify to the OP's plight. You may be able to find tons of recordings on iTunes of Beethoven's 5th symphony, but you may not be able to find a recording of the Tomasi Bassoon Concerto. Also, classical musicians and listeners often don't just want any recording of a given work. A lot of the recordings you find on iTunes are done by 2nd-tier European radio symphonies. Often people look for recordings done by specific orchestras or even specific historic recordings. My teacher has collected 33 different recordings of the opening to the Rite of Spring, 17 of them conducted by Stravinsky, 2 of them are rehearsals featuring Stravinsky singing the opening bassoon solo.

If you're lucky enough to be a student at a university with a good music school, you can get access to a huge selection of lesser-marketed recordings. I'm not a copyright lawyer so I can't say if ripping them is exercising fair use under the guise of education or not. If you're in a major city, your public library is also likely to have a large selection.

If that fails and you're looking for recordings that feature some sort of instrumental solo work, a Google search for the piece may turn up a performer who's recorded it but may not be actively marketing their album. Most likely, they'd be happy to get an e-mail from someone interested in listening to their music. Some may even mail it to you for free, just excited to have some publicity. Also, most instruments have their own societies with mailing lists. For example, bassoonists are part of the International Double Reed Society. A question to the society about where to find a recording may yield positive results. Also if you're having trouble finding something, there's a good chance other members of the society are too.

If you're looking for works by an obscure living composer, e-mailing the composer can be an option. Casually asking William Bolcom or John Williams for their music is an exercise in futility, but a lot of composers are struggling to get recognition. If their piece doesn't have a studio recording, chances are they made a recording of one of the performances for their records and would be happy to send it your way.

A last resort would be the Naxos Music Library. A lot of universities have subscriptions to the online database. It can be hard to find the portal on the university's website to connect to it however. If you're not a student, then it's only available with a subscription fee for streaming classical music. They have an incredible selection, however.

Finally, if you've ascertained with complete certainty that there exists no recording at all of the piece and it means that much to you...COMMISSION ONE! I'm dead serious. As a music student I can testify that there are oodles of young, talented classical musicians out there who'd love to take on a project such as that. If you live near a good music school, that's where I'd start. Faculty are a good place to ask about putting together a project as they can help with recruiting. Generally they'll pass on your offer to their students and other relevant faculty, provided you make your case well why this given piece should be recorded. Students may do this for free, but you're more likely to get the creme of the school if you offer to pay them. Music students will play on the (relative) cheap. Figure a bare minimum of $15-20 a service per musician plus $5 for every hour that service lasts past the first hour. You can reduce that with the promise of food.

In summary, finding classical music isn't necessarily easy, particularly if you want to be particular about it. However, it is possible provided you're willing to be outgoing and connect with the community.

Academic libraries (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119494)

My classical collection has been built through the following method:

1. Get borrowing privileges at your local university library. (These are generally available to the general public for a small fee.)

2. Check out classical CDs.

3. Burn and/or rip.

If you are a student or faculty, then you also have access to interlibrary loan for the rare stuff.

EMH Classical Music (1)

ryanw (131814) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119526)

Ironically I have been following this topic for a while. Today EMH Classical has launched 6 of their newest and most popular recordings as exclusive iTunes releases. A classical first.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/emh-classical-music/id385488162 [apple.com]

ArkivMusic or Naxos (5, Informative)

Rhuragh (215240) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119558)

First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent. As a giant Classical snob (I listen to Classical exclusively), the only way I buy music is physical CDs, and then rip to FLAC once it arrives.

For purchasing physical media, I enthusiastically recommend ArkivMusic [arkivmusic.com] . They have a pretty damn good selection, and a really good sorting method where you can browse by composer, conductor, orchestra, soloist, et al., in a very granular fashion. I too checked the local brick-n-mortar stores in Atlanta when the recent re-release of Golijov's Passion of St. Mark hit the shelves only to find no one carrying it. I ended up ordering it from ArkivMusic.

Naxos [naxos.com] also has a pretty decent online presence. You can buy from their comprehensive catalog on their site, as well as pay a subscription fee for unlimited mp3/radio quality streaming off their site from their entire collection. While the performers on Naxos aren't always the highest quality, I'd be willing to bet that Naxos has the most comprehensive Classical catalog of any publisher on the planet. Considering the breadth of their collection, if you just want to try new music, the streaming subscription is a pretty damn good deal, poor to middling quality or not.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119598)

>> mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent.

[citation needed]

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119602)

As a giant Classical snob and mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical are redondant sentences.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (2)

Great Big Bird (1751616) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119744)

If you are being picky, then it is 'redundant' not 'redondant'.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119754)

As a giant Classical snob (I listen to Classical exclusively)

Nothing from the Baroque or Romantic (Early and Late) periods at all? Gosh I don't know if I could without Bach, later Beethoven or Mahler. :P

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119980)

First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical.

No, that's the purest snobbery. It should read, "mp3 is simply not good enough for high-quality reproduction equipment, costing four figures or more, played in a highly-optimised acoustic environment". Genre has nothing to do with it.

If you're on a mid-range set-up, a decent quality mp3 (>180 kbps, decent encoder) is just fine.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (2, Informative)

rnturn (11092) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120028)

"First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical. If you must buy digital, go for 320 kbps or lame alt-preset-extreme equivalent."

Agreed. I find 192Kbps fine for folk/pop/rock but classical definitely needs as high a bit rate as you can manage. I don't hold myself to be any sort of "golden ear" but I was able to hear the difference between 192 and 320 Kbps in an MP3 I made of a Glenn Gould recording; especially when listing with headphones or earbuds and the outside noise is minimized. When listening in the car (Hey! Why not?!) I'm sure you could get by with the lower bit rate MP3. (I first thought some of the additional distortion in the 192Kbps version might have been some of Gould's humming that I'd missed hearing before.)

BTW, as another classical listener disappointed by the lack of good brick-n-mortar music stores, I'd like to pass along a word of thanks for the link to ArkivMusic. (I'm still bummed from the time when Rose Records stopped stocking their music by label and catalog number and hung Schaums catalogs around the store for customers to refer to. Then Tower bought them and we all know what's happened since then.) If you are looking for another place to hear classical, you might try (Chicago based) WFMT's web site. They live stream their daily shows and the schedule on their web site includes the label/catalog number of what's played so you can look for recordings. While my personal opinion is that the quality of their programming declined a bit when their only classical competitor in town changed formats at least they're still around. Otherwise it'd be very difficult to hear anything other than classical "greatest hits". If that.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120080)

Naxos is indeed an excellent label, with a wide and adventurous repertoire. And whilst their artists are not stars (though some of them become stars), all the recordings I've heard are at least professional, and probably better than the composers of the eighteenth and earlier nineteenth century ever heard of their own work. Exception: avoid Tonus Peregrinus, who are a stupid and gimmicky vocal group who ruin the early music they purport to perform. They can sing OK, but they bugger things up conceptually.

Chandos Records and the Tallis Scholars have their own sites, also.

But as for >>First off, mp3 is simply not good enough for Classical.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Harpsichord is challenging for mp3, but with that exception Classical is, by and large, less challenging for lossy encoding than electronica or metal. For most listeners, most of the time, mp3 encoded with a good encoder (LAME, obviously, but apparently the other modern encoders are catching up) is indistinguishable from CD at 192 kbps, and often at lower bit rates. And 'most listeners' means 'most critical listeners who participate in hydrogen audio listening tests.'

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (1)

Netssansfrontieres (214626) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120146)

Naxos recordings are hit and miss. Some good, some poor, none stellar ... it has breadth, but if you're looking for a breathtaking performance of Goldberg Variations, for example, you aren't going to find Glenn Gould or Murray Perahia or ... on Naxos.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (1)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120292)

If you listened to a Glenn Gould recording, and never heard of Glenn Gould, would you be stunned by it? Wouldn't it be more a wtf-moment at best?

This is a pet peeve of mine... but poin is, a great deal of the value of a work is created by the listeners. We want to share experiences, so we collectively pick a few "winners", explore and experience their character and quirks, and talk about it. There's nothing wrong with it as such. Everyone does it, from the "highest" art forms to the "lowest". It's not snobbery - as long as you admit it. But we should collectively back away from the worst hero-worship.

I used to have a lot of Glenn Gould recordings myself, for what it's worth - and the reasons I don't have them any longer has nothing to do with enjoying them or not. When I lost them (along with a Blandine Verlet recording of the Goldberg variations, which I probably listened more to) I took the opportunity to find a new version. Magnatune had one by a harpsichord builder, Janine Johnson. The great thing about magnatune is that it gives a chance to someone with a background like that - and the recording is excellent.

Re:ArkivMusic or Naxos (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120242)

Some snob you are. Rip vinyl's to 96KHz FLAC or gtfo.

Just a thought... (3, Informative)

online46 (1133363) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119570)

Interested in unknown, but accomplished classical musicians? Check out wedding musicians. My wife manages a string quartet. They play mostly weddings and events. These women all have post graduate degrees and they are excellent classical musicians. I suggest if you search wedding musicians in your area and check out their websites, you may discover some excellent classical musicians right in your backyard and they may even perform in public as themselves or as part of other groups. Almost all of them will have recordings on their websites or otherwise available.

CBC radio 2 (3, Informative)

Maglos (667167) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119584)

CBC radio has a bunch of fantastic classical options, especially for those who don't know what they want and its free(unless your Canadian, in which case its tax dollars well spent).

Re:CBC radio 2 (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119660)

Come on man...think globally for a second. The CBC is not even known beyond Canadian borders! Sheesh!

Re:CBC radio 2 (1)

Maglos (667167) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119830)

hm, I suppose a link might be helpful. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ [www.cbc.ca]

Re:CBC radio 2 (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119990)

CBC radio has far too much chatter between songs. If I want to listen to classical I want to listen to music and not the entire history of the piece in question.

a heretical suggestion (3, Interesting)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119590)

How about YouTube? Seems to me that you're more likely to run into new, cutting edge stuff (or old, obscure stuff) there than on a site that is trying to sell you things. Sure, you might run into say, drunk frat boys humming an ear-bleeding rendition of "Aria on a G String" with kazoos, and the recordings are frequently poor, snippets, or abominations. But it does have the advantage of being a great place to scout stuff out. If you run across something interesting, then you can check it out for real on a more sophisticated site.

Re:a heretical suggestion (1)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120302)

This is actually a good suggestion (not just funny, mods). There is in fact a lot of extremely rare stuff on youtube.

Youtube (1)

Godskitchen (1017786) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119592)

If you're just looking to explore the world of classical music, youtube is a decent place to start. There are a number of GREAT channels there with hundreds of pieces. Here are two of my favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/user/HARMONICO101 [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGravicembalo [youtube.com]

Not the record, but the buzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119594)

Hi all,

I think the poster means not where to get the record, but where to get a sence of new released works.
With a record store that specializes in classical, that is pretty easy because the people there are passionate about that type of music.

With itunes and the likes, you get just what the major record labels think you should be listening to.
And that may not be what the poster is interested in.

So I think that the question is: Where do you get news about what is interesting to buy...

what.cd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119610)

No, I am not trolling. I go to what.cd for classical music.

It's a bit grim (4, Insightful)

HalfFlat (121672) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119684)

... if you're not in the US, and you don't use a Mac or Windows PC. Amazon does not sell MP3s to Australians; iTunes is Mac/Windows only. Personally, I've had most success with emusic.com, but as the querier has noted, their range is limited.

I really miss being able to walk into a store with a large classical range, have a listen, chat with knowledgeable staff, and have the chance of a serendipitous discovery. The web can theoretically provide the equivalent and more besides, but is hobbled by overly restrictive domains and copyright paranoia.

Re:It's a bit grim (1)

steelfood (895457) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120044)

Only what's hip and popular is represented well in web commerce. Classical music, being this obscure genre of music that nobody really listens to anymore, gets marginalized. There's just not enough demand to justify trying to negotiate with the publishers to offer any more than lip service. If you want a particular piece (or movement thereof) that's relatively popular, most places may have some obscure recording. But if you're looking for a particular performance, which classical music aficionados tend to do more often than not, you're shit outta luck.

The demographics are just too different. Most people who regularly listen to classical music go to concert halls more often than they buy recordings. It's still the preferred method, though it gets incredibly expensive for decent seats. And those who do buy and listen to recordings are more likely that type that purchases records to play on their high-fidelity system rather than CDs. Besides which, a lot of (arguably the best) recordings remain unreleased (for private use), or were released only in vinyl form.

I hate to say it, but it's probably easiest to buy the CD online through Amazon or Arkivmusic (both of which have a small selection for downloading too) or some other online CD retailer, and hit the brick and mortars, especially used CD stores, for the obscure, older, and quite likely out of print stuff.

The form of digital distribution that has the largest selection would probably be torrents or some other means of equally dubious legality.

Deutsche Grammophon (5, Informative)

malzfreund (1729864) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119688)

Obviously one of *the* labels for classical music. The awesome thing about their web store is that, in addition to 320kbps MP3s, you can buy FLACs. Very appropriate for fans of classical music which are often crazy about sound quality.

Re:Deutsche Grammophon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120016)

That should be modded doubleplusinformative. I didn't know they did direct sales. If I'd given it a moment of thought it ought to have been obvious of course.

Not the best organised site, mind. If you search for Ligeti in FLAC format, nothing comes up; but if you search for MP3 format, both FLAC and MP3 formats come up [deutschegrammophon.com] .

Naxos Music Library (NML) (2)

beet31425 (1869680) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119696)

As a non-casual "classical" listener, I can heartily recommend the Naxos Music Library. This is a little different from naxos.com suggested above: naxos.com only has recordings from the Naxos label, while the NML includes many sister labels (including some great ones, like Wergo). They add about 1000 CD's every month, about 40 a day. I've rapidly expanded my knowledge of new composers, and great recordings of old composers. They have multiple recordings of the Ligeti string quartets, including the Arditti Quartet, for example. They're not cheap, though. :(

Local classical radio station (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119718)

I listen to WQXR [wqxr.org] , a classic station native to New York City. Its my portal to classical music and they feature a great variety. Their website has a live stream.

Re:Local classical radio station (2, Informative)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119796)

Same here, except for KQAC [allclassical.org] streaming 24-7 from beautiful Portland, Oregon. And these two aren't the only ones. There are a whole bunch [classicalwebcast.com] of live streams that one can listen to while connected. In many ways, streaming has brought back classical, jazz, and other musical formats that, a few years ago, were in danger of being lost when public radio was transitioning wholesale to news. HD allowed alternate streams to be played over the air and streaming them to the internet connected them to a whole bunch of listeners who (although remote) also turned into financial supporters of these stations and their streams. It's been a really good thing for these stations and this kind of music.

And not emusic? (2, Informative)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119722)

I don't follow classical regularly, but emusic seemed to be well stocked. Their supply of obscure free jazz impressed.

But how is it tagged? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119750)

What I really want is to purchase music which is already properly entered into musicbrainz with *all* relevant extended information, so that I can auto-tag it how I like... and I'd like this to be the case for medieval music and other 'obscure' areas of classical music... *sigh*

Alas, Poor Oink... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119774)

A few years ago the torrent version of the answer would have been Oink, easily the best publicly available collection of music in the history of of music. I'm only bothering to post this to bemoan the fact that even the sum of all legal electronic music outlets doesn't come close to the selection Oink had, nor the quality (flac on anything you wanted and asked for, or usually 320 kbps music if you preferred that). And if something wasn't there, you could get real results from a request, no matter how obscure.

Where? (0, Flamebait)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119804)

Where do people go to find the newest Ligeti String Quartet recording?

Gay bar?

(kidding!)

Arkiv Music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119852)

If you want a general classical music store that sells CDs, DVDs, downloads, etc., it'd be hard to beat Arkiv Music (arkivmusic.com). Good web site, good service, prices are reasonable, etc. Not only do they stock just about anything you can think of, they've also cut a deal with most of the major labels to reproduce on demand many items in the back catalogs that have gone out of print. No personal connection with them other than being a satisfied customer.

Ubuntu One Music Store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119860)

Same selection as iTunes, and that's in *addition* to magnatune and jamendo. Even Fedora and them have *those* two.

I never use magnatune, and I only listen to stuff on jamendo because it fulfills what amounts to my liberty religion. Most of it sucks.

Not that this helps you at all, but your list above should include it to be complete.

CDs and downloads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119862)

I have found http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/ brilliant for ordering CDs - I can see the different versions of pieces that are available and how they were reviewed. Presto will ship CDs all over the world faster than Amazon does. Also Linn records (http://www.linnrecords.com/) has the best download model I have yet found: for different fees, you can download tracks or albums in a variety of formats and resolutions, from 320k MP3 to 24-bit Flac.

The Emporium! (0, Troll)

SirLoadALot (991302) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119870)

Lovers of classical music usually take their horseless carriage to a convenient local musical emporium. A variety of cylinders are available for the various gramophones on the market. Please note that one does not actually purchase the cylinder -- one instead purchases the right to play the cylinder under certain circumstances, as laid out in the license agreement that accompanies it.

It really isn't so easy (1)

frog_strat (852055) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119904)

to find new artists or composers if you are into 20th / 21st century classical, or fusion/m-base/post bop jazz. For classical stuff I mostly hear of new composers on the Los Angeles classic station KUSC. Sometimes I stumble onto interesting stuff on Rhaspsody.

Nice to see there are a few other folks that like left brain music. I guess we spent too many nights performing pop music in bars and want to hear something different.

Trance music? (1, Offtopic)

antdude (79039) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119920)

How about trance music? I only have http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/list.php?which=genre&id=11&order=score&sortorder=desc&page=1 [newgrounds.com] for homemade audio tunes. What about commercial trance music videos? :(

Re:Trance music? (1)

mezzaninex (938087) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120030)

Trance is super popular in Europe, have to check there:
http://www.juno.co.uk/trance-music/this-week/all/ [juno.co.uk]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=trance&x=0&y=0 [amazon.co.uk]

DJs have to buy it somewhere too:
https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/genre/detail/7/trance [beatport.com]

I don't know where you go to buy trance videos though. You can do that?

Oh Dear... (1)

WillDraven (760005) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119932)

My fiancee is going to hate you. I go through periods of different genres of music. She dreads my classical kicks, and I have a feeling this thread will certainly set one off.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33119936)

Try Last.fm

HDtracks.com (1)

WScottC (44796) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119938)

HDTracks.com [hdtracks.com]

No DRM
lot's of 96khz/24bit
flac/mp3/aiff
Individual tracks
Full albums
All styles of music
Very rapidly growing
New recordings
Lot's of re-releases.

Passionato (5, Informative)

NeverWorker1 (1686452) | more than 4 years ago | (#33119988)

http://www.passionato.com/ [passionato.com] It's an online classical music store offering a nice catalog in both mp3 and flac. Lots of 25% off sales. But seriously, what.cd ftw.

Spotify (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33120032)

Recently i've discovered Spotify as a relatively good source of classical music. Not only the popular collection - which certainly is present - but also quite some obscure ones. Of course, the downside is that you can't simply download mp3's and often the recordings are labeled poorly (sometimes no or incomplete listing of performers so you have to find other sources to find out who you are listening to), but it's the best available collection i've seen so far. Not sure in which countries it's available.

There is also at least one DC++ hub which started because more people had the exact same problem. If you have a large and very well sorted and labeled (group, soloists, year and conductor) collection, you can share and download there and find nearly everything you want. Of course, in many countries this is illegal, but for many recordings, it has been the only normal available way to acquire them. You should be able to google the right hub easily.

I must say around here we're lucky enough to have a store with classical music opened again - after they all closed or reduced their classical music section before.

Hyperion has the best UI and decently tagged music (1)

lelle (1817624) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120086)

http://hyperion-records.co.uk/ [hyperion-records.co.uk] http://www.theclassicalshop.net/ [theclassicalshop.net] http://linnrecords.com/ [linnrecords.com] http://www.dacapo-records.dk/ [dacapo-records.dk] and http://www.analekta.com/ [analekta.com] http://www.classicsonline.com/ [classicsonline.com] absolutely deserves mention, but has little on flac http://www.passionato.com/ [passionato.com] and http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/ [deutschegrammophon.com] are good, but don't provide booklets

I thought the web was pipes? Now it's strings? (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120158)

if I only had a brain....

Mine is ... (1)

udippel (562132) | more than 4 years ago | (#33120214)

France Musique.
They have exactly what I'm looking for, with lots of not-necessarily-on-the-shelf, mostly classical music
http://mp3.live.tv-radio.com/francemusique/all/francemusique-32k.mp3 [tv-radio.com]
There is also a high-quality stream; but my place of work has a lousy connection, and so has my ISP.

YMMV

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