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Flash Ported To iOS and iPhone 4

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the pay-attention-apple dept.

Apple 231

An anonymous reader noted that there is a simple HOWTO explaining how to install flash on an iPhone4. Mad props for using Strong Bad as the demo. Of course, step one is to use the JailBreakMe. Once installed, Flash inside Safari loads in a stopped state so it won't even hurt performance unless you decide to actually execute the program.

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Incoming sopssa/SquarePixel/odies trolling ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187526)

sopssa = SquarePixel = odies. Three sockpuppets (possibly even more), one stupid troll. Remember it moderators!

Peace out!

goatse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187530)

Unfortunately goatse [] is still blocked on the iphone.

Everyone sing! C'mon, you know the words! (3, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187532)

"Would everyone please rise for the presentation of our national colors"

Oh I like that!
Oh yeah!
Come to the place where the tropical breezes blow
Come to the coolest place I know
The people are so great
But really there's only me
And that means I'm so great
And also there's The Cheat
Oh there's The Cheat!
The place where the tropical breezes blow
The Cheat!
In the coolest place I know
The one's are always cold
And parties last all night
And probably lots of chocolate
And population tire

Jailbreakme (0, Redundant)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187544)

How long until Apple "fixes" the exploit used by the JailbreakMe website?

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187570)

Yes, if you jailbreak the phone, its antenna stops working.

Re:Jailbreakme (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187576)

Yes, if you jailbreak the phone, its antenna stops working.

Just hack it differently.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187656)

Mine is hacked. Antenna is working perfectly fine.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187854)

Is anybody else waiting for Engadget and the like to pick this up and report it as "Jailbreaking Jesusphone fixes antenna problem"?

Re:Jailbreakme (3, Informative)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188292)

I'm a bit skeptic about the entire "antenna problem". I have not been able to reproduce the leftie-bug in any iphone4 i have held. I think it indeed just weakens signal a bit in places where signal already was bad.

Re:Jailbreakme (3, Insightful)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188332)

If you live in an area with good AT&T coverage you wont notice a problem. Go out into the boonies.

I see your anecdotal evidence and match with my own. Out here in the midwest ive seen it happen on every iphone4 ive had the opportunity of trying it on. Including the display model at the AT&T store.

Re:Jailbreakme (2, Interesting)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188668)

If you live in an area with good AT&T coverage you wont notice a problem. Go out into the boonies.

I see your anecdotal evidence and match with my own. Out here in the midwest ive seen it happen on every iphone4 ive had the opportunity of trying it on. Including the display model at the AT&T store.

My issue, though, is I have not found an area that does not jump from good to so-bad-i-just-need-to-stare-at-it-for-the-iphone-to-fail. There does not seem to be any in-betweens around where I live. Either ATT just plainly sucks, or they work great.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188862)

My issue, though, is I have not found an area

So because you havn't found an issue, everyone else is full of it?

Re:Jailbreakme (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188420)

My friend must have magic hands because he can do it to any iphone 4 he touches. This is right in the middle of Manhattan.

Re:Jailbreakme (4, Funny)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187668)

Yes, if you jailbreak the phone, its antenna stops working.

No, you're just jailbreaking it wrong... try the right hand...

Re:Jailbreakme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187682)

No big deal, it never worked to begin with.

Re:Jailbreakme (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187694)

It's... um... a GIGANTIC security hole that's trivial to exploit. It's more shameful that they have NOT yet closed them.

Re:Jailbreakme (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188150)

It's not a problem.

There hasn't been enough customer uproar.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

trooperer (1305425) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187730)

Does it matter? All you have to do is stay away from iTunes' automatic updates and your iPhone will be jailbreakable. At least until Apple starts shipping new 4s with updated firmware.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188484)

All you have to do is stay away from iTunes' automatic updates

I don't yet own an iPod Touch or iPhone; I am still evaluating which device to buy. Is it practical to sync music onto an iPod Touch or iPhone without updating?

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188650)

Yes. Asking if you would like to "download the latest versions and update" is a prior step to syncing. It then starts downloading, which can be cancelled. It's pretty easy to not update your iPhone. My girlfriend did that for about a year, just because she didn't feel like dealing with the new updates.

Re:Jailbreakme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188748)

Yes, updates are voluntary and you have to select to force an update. I'm still on 3.1.2 and will not update anytime soon even though it keeps telling me that an update is ready.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

trooperer (1305425) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188782)

iTunes is generally a pain to work with. You can, however, disable automatic updating.

I would recommend using some alternative software, such as CopyTrans Manager [] or similar. You still need iTunes installed because of iPod/iPhone drivers, but there are ways of extracting drivers from iTunes installer, without actually installing iTunes itself (a short tutorial can be found here [] )

btw, CTM works only with Windows :/

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187746)

I'm sure they will do that soon, it's not just about people doing it on their phones. People are going to apple stores and jailbreaking display units. THAT's going to push apple to put this into high priority.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Shihar (153932) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187852)

That is hilarious. In fact, I need to hit a mall today for other reasons. I think I will make a stop by the Apple store and "fix" a few of their phones. From the videos I have seen of it, you can basically do it in 30 seconds. Go to website, slide the button, phone reboots, and you are done. Jailbreaking an iPhone is like reorganizing the desk of a control freak... it is only fun because they are some uptight. No one would ever bother to go to a Verizon store and root some Droids because no one would care.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188222)

Root a Dell Steak ... []
How does that compare ?

Re:Jailbreakme (2, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188436)

Dell Steak? Don't post on Slashdot when you're hungry!

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Shihar (153932) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188794)

I wouldn't be even a little shocked to find that Android tablets are rooted with an open menu option. Cell phone have a pretty good reason to make at least a half assed attempt to keep phones from being rooted. An Android tablet though? Why would Dell or Toshiba care if you root your tablet? If anything, for a tablet, it is probably a selling point. There is absolutely no reason for Dell to be all ADD about people messing with their hardware like Apple is.

I bet tablets are where you see the full power of Android. Hardware companies are likely to be far more interested in giving you the latest updates than smearing the phone with the manufactures UI and the cell phones providers crapware. I mean fucking Sprint NASCAR... fuck you Sprint for defiling my Evo.

It almost makes me wish Google would go all Godwin's Law on carriers, break out the beating clubs, and and shut that shit down. I would rather have some random Sprint crapapps than get a POS iPhone where it isn't until the 4th fucking version of the OS when they finally bless you with the ability to change your background and browse the web while listening to Panadora (and those poor fuckers still can't even change their notification sounds to non-Apple Corp approved ones), but I would rather have just vanilla Android than either of those things.

Take your pick. Walled in suburbs that make you want to blow your brains out just to get away from the dull uniform mediocracy of Apple, or head to the city with Android and have to ignore the blazing billboards of Sprint sponsered NASCAR crap apps to get to all the good drinking and fighting. Oh well, it is like they say, you can't make an omelet without murdering a few people.

Re:Jailbreakme (1, Troll)

i20AuLion (1638715) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188424)

Jailbreaking an iPhone is like reorganizing the desk of a control freak... it is only fun because they are some uptight. (sic)

So basically, you know better and you want to impose your opinion. What's the difference between you and Steve Jobs then? It's ok to act like you want to because you KNOW you are right? I'm sure Steve thinks he's right too. Blindly defending a cause doesn't make it right. And when everybody thinks they're right and act on that belief: war.

Re:Jailbreakme (4, Funny)

FutureDomain (1073116) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188498)

It sounds like someone is uptight...

Re:Jailbreakme (5, Informative)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187748)

Actually I hope it's really soon. I not against jail breaking, but I don't like the idea that PDFs can be used to exploit iOS4. []

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

Cap'n.Brownbeard (1092507) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187984)

This exploit is not specific to iOS4, it affects all versions up to iOS4.0.1.

Re:Jailbreakme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188940)

It can exploit the other iOs's as well. just saying for clarity's sake. i used it on a 3g running 3.1.3 yesterday.

Re:Jailbreakme (5, Insightful)

jiteo (964572) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187824)

Um, there should be no quotes around "fixes". While JailBreakMe uses the exploit for honest purposes, we need to keep in mind that the exploit is a huge security hole that needs to get fixed ASAP.

Re:Jailbreakme (1)

ohcrapitssteve (1185821) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188432)

Looks as though this exploit is patched in iOS 4.1 (current release is 4.0.1) which is already in beta and should see release soon... likely in the fall which would coincide with a simultaneous release for the iPad.

Army article on psychotronic weapons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187546)

"The Mind Has No Firewall"
Army article on psychotronic weapons

"The Mind Has No Firewall" by Timothy L. Thomas. Parameters, Spring 1998, pp. 84-92. []

The human body, much like a computer, contains myriad data processors. They include, but are not limited to, the chemical-electrical activity of the brain, heart, and peripheral nervous system, the signals sent from the cortex region of the brain to other parts of our body, the tiny hair cells in the inner ear that process auditory signals, and the light-sensitive retina and cornea of the eye that process visual activity.[2] We are on the threshold of an era in which these data processors of the human body may be manipulated or debilitated. Examples of unplanned attacks on the body's data-processing capability are well-documented. Strobe lights have been known to cause epileptic seizures. Not long ago in Japan, children watching television cartoons were subjected to pulsating lights that caused seizures in some and made others very sick.

Defending friendly and targeting adversary data-processing capabilities of the body appears to be an area of weakness in the US approach to information warfare theory, a theory oriented heavily toward systems data-processing and designed to attain information dominance on the battlefield. Or so it would appear from information in the open, unclassified press. This US shortcoming may be a serious one, since the capabilities to alter the data- processing systems of the body already exist. A recent edition of U.S. News and World Report highlighted several of these "wonder weapons" (acoustics, microwaves, lasers) and noted that scientists are "searching the electromagnetic and sonic spectrums for wavelengths that can affect human behavior."[3] A recent Russian military article offered a slightly different slant to the problem, declaring that "humanity stands on the brink of a psychotronic war" with the mind and body as the focus. That article discussed Russian and international attempts to control the psycho-physical condition of man and his decisionmaking processes by the use of VHF-generators, "noiseless cassettes," and other technologies.

An entirely new arsenal of weapons, based on devices designed to introduce subliminal messages or to alter the body's psychological and data-processing capabilities, might be used to incapacitate individuals. These weapons aim to control or alter the psyche, or to attack the various sensory and data-processing systems of the human organism. In both cases, the goal is to confuse or destroy the signals that normally keep the body in equilibrium.

This article examines energy-based weapons, psychotronic weapons, and other developments designed to alter the ability of the human body to process stimuli. One consequence of this assessment is that the way we commonly use the term "information warfare" falls short when the individual soldier, not his equipment, becomes the target of attack.

Information Warfare Theory and the Data-Processing Element of Humans

In the United States the common conception of information warfare focuses primarily on the capabilities of hardware systems such as computers, satellites, and military equipment which process data in its various forms. According to Department of Defense Directive S-3600.1 of 9 December 1996, information warfare is defined as "an information operation conducted during time of crisis or conflict to achieve or promote specific objectives over a specific adversary or adversaries." An information operation is defined in the same directive as "actions taken to affect adversary information and information systems while defending one's own information and information systems." These "information systems" lie at the heart of the modernization effort of the US armed forces and other countries, and manifest themselves as hardware, software, communications capabilities, and highly trained individuals. Recently, the US Army conducted a mock battle that tested these systems under simulated combat conditions.

US Army Field Manual 101-5-1, Operational Terms and Graphics (released 30 September 1997), defines information warfare as "actions taken to achieve information superiority by affecting a hostile's information, information based-processes, and information systems, while defending one's own information, information processes, and information systems." The same manual defines information operations as a "continuous military operation within the military information environment that enables, enhances, and protects friendly forces' ability to collect, process, and act on information to achieve an advantage across the full range of military operations. [Information operations include] interacting with the Global Information Environment . . . and exploiting or denying an adversary's information and decision capabilities."[4]

This "systems" approach to the study of information warfare emphasizes the use of data, referred to as information, to penetrate an adversary's physical defenses that protect data (information) in order to obtain operational or strategic advantage. It has tended to ignore the role of the human body as an information- or data-processor in this quest for dominance except in those cases where an individual's logic or rational thought may be upset via disinformation or deception. As a consequence little attention is directed toward protecting the mind and body with a firewall as we have done with hardware systems. Nor have any techniques for doing so been prescribed. Yet the body is capable not only of being deceived, manipulated, or misinformed but also shut down or destroyed--just as any other data-processing system. The "data" the body receives from external sources--such as electromagnetic, vortex, or acoustic energy waves--or creates through its own electrical or chemical stimuli can be manipulated or changed just as the data (information) in any hardware system can be altered.

The only body-related information warfare element considered by the United States is psychological operations (PSYOP). In Joint Publication 3-13.1, for example, PSYOP is listed as one of the elements of command and control warfare. The publication notes that "the ultimate target of [information warfare] is the information dependent process, whether human or automated . . . . Command and control warfare (C2W) is an application of information warfare in military operations. . . . C2W is the integrated use of PSYOP, military deception, operations security, electronic warfare and physical destruction."[5]

One source defines information as a "nonaccidental signal used as an input to a computer or communications system."[6] The human body is a complex communication system constantly receiving nonaccidental and accidental signal inputs, both external and internal. If the ultimate target of information warfare is the information-dependent process, "whether human or automated," then the definition in the joint publication implies that human data-processing of internal and external signals can clearly be considered an aspect of information warfare. Foreign researchers have noted the link between humans as data processors and the conduct of information warfare. While some study only the PSYOP link, others go beyond it. As an example of the former, one recent Russian article described offensive information warfare as designed to "use the Internet channels for the purpose of organizing PSYOP as well as for `early political warning' of threats to American interests."[7] The author's assertion was based on the fact that "all mass media are used for PSYOP . . . [and] today this must include the Internet." The author asserted that the Pentagon wanted to use the Internet to "reinforce psychological influences" during special operations conducted outside of US borders to enlist sympathizers, who would accomplish many of the tasks previously entrusted to special units of the US armed forces.

Others, however, look beyond simple PSYOP ties to consider other aspects of the body's data-processing capability. One of the principal open source researchers on the relationship of information warfare to the body's data-processing capability is Russian Dr. Victor Solntsev of the Baumann Technical Institute in Moscow. Solntsev is a young, well-intentioned researcher striving to point out to the world the potential dangers of the computer operator interface. Supported by a network of institutes and academies, Solntsev has produced some interesting concepts.[8] He insists that man must be viewed as an open system instead of simply as an organism or closed system. As an open system, man communicates with his environment through information flows and communications media. One's physical environment, whether through electromagnetic, gravitational, acoustic, or other effects, can cause a change in the psycho-physiological condition of an organism, in Solntsev's opinion. Change of this sort could directly affect the mental state and consciousness of a computer operator. This would not be electronic war or information warfare in the traditional sense, but rather in a nontraditional and non-US sense. It might encompass, for example, a computer modified to become a weapon by using its energy output to emit acoustics that debilitate the operator. It also might encompass, as indicated below, futuristic weapons aimed against man's "open system."

Solntsev also examined the problem of "information noise," which creates a dense shield between a person and external reality. This noise may manifest itself in the form of signals, messages, images, or other items of information. The main target of this noise would be the consciousness of a person or a group of people. Behavior modification could be one objective of information noise; another could be to upset an individual's mental capacity to such an extent as to prevent reaction to any stimulus. Solntsev concludes that all levels of a person's psyche (subconscious, conscious, and "superconscious") are potential targets for destabilization.

According to Solntsev, one computer virus capable of affecting a person's psyche is Russian Virus 666. It manifests itself in every 25th frame of a visual display, where it produces a combination of colors that allegedly put computer operators into a trance. The subconscious perception of the new pattern eventually results in arrhythmia of the heart. Other Russian computer specialists, not just Solntsev, talk openly about this "25th frame effect" and its ability to subtly manage a computer user's perceptions. The purpose of this technique is to inject a thought into the viewer's subconscious. It may remind some of the subliminal advertising controversy in the United States in the late 1950s.

US Views on "Wonder Weapons": Altering the Data-Processing Ability of the Body

What technologies have been examined by the United States that possess the potential to disrupt the data-processing capabilities of the human organism? The 7 July 1997 issue of U.S. News and World Report described several of them designed, among other things, to vibrate the insides of humans, stun or nauseate them, put them to sleep, heat them up, or knock them down with a shock wave.[9] The technologies include dazzling lasers that can force the pupils to close; acoustic or sonic frequencies that cause the hair cells in the inner ear to vibrate and cause motion sickness, vertigo, and nausea, or frequencies that resonate the internal organs causing pain and spasms; and shock waves with the potential to knock down humans or airplanes and which can be mixed with pepper spray or chemicals.[10]

With modification, these technological applications can have many uses. Acoustic weapons, for example, could be adapted for use as acoustic rifles or as acoustic fields that, once established, might protect facilities, assist in hostage rescues, control riots, or clear paths for convoys. These waves, which can penetrate buildings, offer a host of opportunities for military and law enforcement officials. Microwave weapons, by stimulating the peripheral nervous system, can heat up the body, induce epileptic-like seizures, or cause cardiac arrest. Low-frequency radiation affects the electrical activity of the brain and can cause flu-like symptoms and nausea. Other projects sought to induce or prevent sleep, or to affect the signal from the motor cortex portion of the brain, overriding voluntary muscle movements. The latter are referred to as pulse wave weapons, and the Russian government has reportedly bought over 100,000 copies of the "Black Widow" version of them.[11]

However, this view of "wonder weapons" was contested by someone who should understand them. Brigadier General Larry Dodgen, Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Policy and Missions, wrote a letter to the editor about the "numerous inaccuracies" in the U.S. News and World Report article that "misrepresent the Department of Defense's views."[12] Dodgen's primary complaint seemed to have been that the magazine misrepresented the use of these technologies and their value to the armed forces. He also underscored the US intent to work within the scope of any international treaty concerning their application, as well as plans to abandon (or at least redesign) any weapon for which countermeasures are known. One is left with the feeling, however, that research in this area is intense. A concern not mentioned by Dodgen is that other countries or non-state actors may not be bound by the same constraints. It is hard to imagine someone with a greater desire than terrorists to get their hands on these technologies. "Psycho-terrorism" could be the next buzzword.

Russian Views on "Psychotronic War"

The term "psycho-terrorism" was coined by Russian writer N. Anisimov of the Moscow Anti-Psychotronic Center. According to Anisimov, psychotronic weapons are those that act to "take away a part of the information which is stored in a man's brain. It is sent to a computer, which reworks it to the level needed for those who need to control the man, and the modified information is then reinserted into the brain." These weapons are used against the mind to induce hallucinations, sickness, mutations in human cells, "zombification," or even death. Included in the arsenal are VHF generators, X-rays, ultrasound, and radio waves. Russian army Major I. Chernishev, writing in the military journal Orienteer in February 1997, asserted that "psy" weapons are under development all over the globe. Specific types of weapons noted by Chernishev (not all of which have prototypes) were:

A psychotronic generator, which produces a powerful electromagnetic emanation capable of being sent through telephone lines, TV, radio networks, supply pipes, and incandescent lamps.

An autonomous generator, a device that operates in the 10-150 Hertz band, which at the 10-20 Hertz band forms an infrasonic oscillation that is destructive to all living creatures.

A nervous system generator, designed to paralyze the central nervous systems of insects, which could have the same applicability to humans.

Ultrasound emanations, which one institute claims to have developed. Devices using ultrasound emanations are supposedly capable of carrying out bloodless internal operations without leaving a mark on the skin. They can also, according to Chernishev, be used to kill.

Noiseless cassettes. Chernishev claims that the Japanese have developed the ability to place infra-low frequency voice patterns over music, patterns that are detected by the subconscious. Russians claim to be using similar "bombardments" with computer programming to treat alcoholism or smoking.

The 25th-frame effect, alluded to above, a technique wherein each 25th frame of a movie reel or film footage contains a message that is picked up by the subconscious. This technique, if it works, could possibly be used to curb smoking and alcoholism, but it has wider, more sinister applications if used on a TV audience or a computer operator.

Psychotropics, defined as medical preparations used to induce a trance, euphoria, or depression. Referred to as "slow-acting mines," they could be slipped into the food of a politician or into the water supply of an entire city. Symptoms include headaches, noises, voices or commands in the brain, dizziness, pain in the abdominal cavities, cardiac arrhythmia, or even the destruction of the cardiovascular system.

There is confirmation from US researchers that this type of study is going on. Dr. Janet Morris, coauthor of The Warrior's Edge, reportedly went to the Moscow Institute of Psychocorrelations in 1991. There she was shown a technique pioneered by the Russian Department of Psycho-Correction at Moscow Medical Academy in which researchers electronically analyze the human mind in order to influence it. They input subliminal command messages, using key words transmitted in "white noise" or music. Using an infra-sound, very low frequency transmission, the acoustic psycho-correction message is transmitted via bone conduction.[13]

In summary, Chernishev noted that some of the militarily significant aspects of the "psy" weaponry deserve closer research, including the following nontraditional methods for disrupting the psyche of an individual:

ESP research: determining the properties and condition of objects without ever making contact with them and "reading" peoples' thoughts

Clairvoyance research: observing objects that are located just beyond the world of the visible--used for intelligence purposes

Telepathy research: transmitting thoughts over a distance--used for covert operations

Telekinesis research: actions involving the manipulation of physical objects using thought power, causing them to move or break apart--used against command and control systems, or to disrupt the functioning of weapons of mass destruction

Psychokinesis research: interfering with the thoughts of individuals, on either the strategic or tactical level

While many US scientists undoubtedly question this research, it receives strong support in Moscow. The point to underscore is that individuals in Russia (and other countries as well) believe these means can be used to attack or steal from the data-processing unit of the human body.

Solntsev's research, mentioned above, differs slightly from that of Chernishev. For example, Solntsev is more interested in hardware capabilities, specifically the study of the information-energy source associated with the computer-operator interface. He stresses that if these energy sources can be captured and integrated into the modern computer, the result will be a network worth more than "a simple sum of its components." Other researchers are studying high-frequency generators (those designed to stun the psyche with high frequency waves such as electromagnetic, acoustic, and gravitational); the manipulation or reconstruction of someone's thinking through planned measures such as reflexive control processes; the use of psychotronics, parapsychology, bioenergy, bio fields, and psychoenergy;[14] and unspecified "special operations" or anti-ESP training.

The last item is of particular interest. According to a Russian TV broadcast, the strategic rocket forces have begun anti-ESP training to ensure that no outside force can take over command and control functions of the force. That is, they are trying to construct a firewall around the heads of the operators.


At the end of July 1997, planners for Joint Warrior Interoperability Demonstration '97 "focused on technologies that enhance real-time collaborative planning in a multinational task force of the type used in Bosnia and in Operation Desert Storm. The JWID '97 network, called the Coalition Wide-Area Network (CWAN), is the first military network that allows allied nations to participate as full and equal partners."[15] The demonstration in effect was a trade fair for private companies to demonstrate their goods; defense ministries got to decide where and how to spend their money wiser, in many cases without incurring the cost of prototypes. It is a good example of doing business better with less. Technologies demonstrated included:[16]

Soldiers using laptop computers to drag cross-hairs over maps to call in airstrikes

Soldiers carrying beepers and mobile phones rather than guns

Generals tracking movements of every unit, counting the precise number of shells fired around the globe, and inspecting real-time damage inflicted on an enemy, all with multicolored graphics[17]

Every account of this exercise emphasized the ability of systems to process data and provide information feedback via the power invested in their microprocessors. The ability to affect or defend the data-processing capability of the human operators of these systems was never mentioned during the exercise; it has received only slight attention during countless exercises over the past several years. The time has come to ask why we appear to be ignoring the operators of our systems. Clearly the information operator, exposed before a vast array of potentially immobilizing weapons, is the weak spot in any nation's military assets. There are few international agreements protecting the individual soldier, and these rely on the good will of the combatants. Some nations, and terrorists of every stripe, don't care about such agreements.

This article has used the term data-processing to demonstrate its importance to ascertaining what so-called information warfare and information operations are all about. Data-processing is the action this nation and others need to protect. Information is nothing more than the output of this activity. As a result, the emphasis on information-related warfare terminology ("information dominance," "information carousel") that has proliferated for a decade does not seem to fit the situation before us. In some cases the battle to affect or protect data-processing elements pits one mechanical system against another. In other cases, mechanical systems may be confronted by the human organism, or vice versa, since humans can usually shut down any mechanical system with the flip of a switch. In reality, the game is about protecting or affecting signals, waves, and impulses that can influence the data-processing elements of systems, computers, or people. We are potentially the biggest victims of information warfare, because we have neglected to protect ourselves.

Our obsession with a "system of systems," "information dominance," and other such terminology is most likely a leading cause of our neglect of the human factor in our theories of information warfare. It is time to change our terminology and our conceptual paradigm. Our terminology is confusing us and sending us in directions that deal primarily with the hardware, software, and communications components of the data-processing spectrum. We need to spend more time researching how to protect the humans in our data management structures. Nothing in those structures can be sustained if our operators have been debilitated by potential adversaries or terrorists who--right now--may be designing the means to disrupt the human component of our carefully constructed notion of a system of systems.



1. I. Chernishev, "Can Rulers Make `Zombies' and Control the World?" Orienteer, February 1997, pp. 58-62.

2. Douglas Pasternak, "Wonder Weapons," U.S. News and World Report, 7 July 1997, pp. 38-46.

3. Ibid., p. 38.

4. FM 101-5-1, Operational Terms and Graphics, 30 September 1997, p. 1-82.

5. Joint Pub 3-13.1, Joint Doctrine for Command and Control Warfare (C2W), 7 February 1996, p. v.

6. The American Heritage Dictionary (2d College Ed.; Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1982), p. 660, definition 4.

7. Denis Snezhnyy, "Cybernetic Battlefield & National Security," Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye, No. 10, 15-21 March 1997, p. 2.

8. Victor I. Solntsev, "Information War and Some Aspects of a Computer Operator's Defense," talk given at an Infowar Conference in Washington, D.C., September 1996, sponsored by the National Computer Security Association. Information in this section is based on notes from Dr. Solntsev's talk.

9. Pasternak, p. 40.

10. Ibid., pp. 40-46.

11. Ibid.

12. Larry Dodgen, "Nonlethal Weapons," U.S. News and World Report, 4 August 1997, p. 5.

13. "Background on the Aviary," Nexus Magazine, downloaded from the Internet on 13 July 1997 from, p.7.

14. Aleksandr Cherkasov, "The Front Where Shots Aren't Fired," Orienteer, May 1995, p. 45. This article was based on information in the foreign and Russian press, according to the author, making it impossible to pinpoint what his source was for this reference.

15. Bob Brewin, "DOD looks for IT `golden nuggets,'" Federal Computer Week, 28 July 1997, p. 31, as taken from the Earlybird Supplement, 4 August 1997, p. B 17.

16. Oliver August, "Zap! Hard day at the office for NATO's laptop warriors," The Times, 28 July 1997, as taken from the Earlybird Supplement, 4 August 1997, p. B 16.

17. Ibid.

Lieutenant Colonel Timothy L. Thomas (USA Ret.) is an analyst at the Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Recently he has written extensively on the Russian view of information operations and on current Russian military-political issues. During his military career he served in the 82d Airborne Division and was the Department Head of Soviet Military-Political Affairs at the US Army's Russian Institute in Garmisch, Germany.

See the article on the Parameters portion of the Army Website: []

Oh noes! (4, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187548)

Based on the way Apple has talked about flash, I guess people's iPhones are just going to explode.

Re:Oh noes! (0, Offtopic)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187808)

Based on the way Apple has talked about flash, I guess people's iPhones are just going to explode.

It's why Papermann, the Apple Hardware designer, has resigned after "the last ultimate hardware design".

The plot to cleanse the world of consumerism, why do you think they had those Russian spies all over the USA? No doubt Papermann was a nice infiltrant and will now enjoying his view on the beach in Russia (which is, a bit more tropical climated as usual as a way to compensate Papermann.)

Brilliant to take out the Apple drones first, the class-A model of consumerism, Communism will be victorious AGAIN!

Fire up those Linux advocate-engines!

2011 *IS* the year of the Linux desktop, hooray!

Re:Oh noes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188014)

Are you on drugs?

Seriously, are you? Because that made NO FUCKING SENSE.

Re:Oh noes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188084)

Yea, read his post history. ZeroExistenz is either a schizophrenic sociopath or what they did with /b/ucket after they took down his site.

Re:Oh noes! (3, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188220)

Actually, based on the way Apple has talked about Flash, I'd expect that Flash will perform poorly, crash often, and drain battery life.

How much do you want to bet that it's true?

Re:Oh noes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188294)

Based on the way Apple has avoided talking about Flash, I guess given the option people will develop for it instead of Objective C so their apps aren't locked into being iPhone only.

Re:Oh noes! (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188852)

No, it'll work perfectally for a while, then a patch will make it work horribly and Jobs will go "I told you so!"

Still won't help... (3, Informative)

nlvp (115149) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187592)

...all the people who want to develop applications for sale through the App store, for whom Apple is still the gatekeeper who can enforce whatever rules any way they choose.

Hard to believe this behaviour in the wake of the Microsoft cases heard in Europe and elsewhere, but I suppose Apple can still argue that they don't control enough of the market with the iPhone to be considered a monopolist, and so can impose any conditions on developers that they choose.

Re:Still won't help... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187628)

The difference is that the iPhone isn't anywhere near as dominant as Windows is. The iPhone isn't number one and in recent times has been getting trounced by Android. It's really only a matter of time before developers jump ship for Android, given the plethora of dickish moves that Apple has made against the developers.

Re:Still won't help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187740)

You're funny.

Android OS may be beating iPhone OS but that's Android OS on 100 different Android phones with all different specs.
It's much harder to develop for Android because you have to worry about all the difference specs.

iOS 4 is still the #1 OS on iPhones and while sure iOS 4 runs on the iPhone 3G it's mainly running on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 which have similar hardware. So you don't have to worry about your app running horrible on certain phones.

Re:Still won't help... (1, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187762)

So you don't have to worry about your app running horrible on certain phones.

True, but developing for Android vs. iOS means you don't have to worry about being bitch-slapped by Apple. It's almost like a cruel joke...a way for them to assert their power. "We know you have no choice but to develop for us...and we're going to make that suck. Why? Because we can, that's why."

Re:Still won't help... (1) (1853046) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187884)

You're funny.

Android OS may be beating iPhone OS but that's Android OS on 100 different Android phones with all different specs. It's much harder to develop for Android because you have to worry about all the difference specs.

I don't develop apps for either platform, however I know people who do and they tell me it's not that difficult. The biggest hurdle seems to be differing screen sizes, which a smart programmer can code around. Of course, if app programmers have no grasp of portable programming, it will be a lot harder to target multiple handsets, so point taken. There's also the fact that manufacturers like Sony Ericsson, for example, are releasing new handsets with Android 1.6 and no updates in sight. There's really no excuse for that, and will only hurt their profits and annoy users and developers alike.

iOS 4 is still the #1 OS on iPhones and while sure iOS 4 runs on the iPhone 3G it's mainly running on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 which have similar hardware. So you don't have to worry about your app running horrible on certain phones.

Redundant, surely. Especially considering that there isn't a flurry of users rushing to put some other OS on their iPhones. Sure you could bring up the hardware using Linux or some other embedded OS, but without all the drivers and baseband software, it's just an expensive brick.

And btw, do you actually know anyone who owns an iPhone 3 or 3GS with iOS 4 on it that is actually happy I know quite a few, and every single one wishes they had not upgraded. The words 'dog', 'slow' and the phrase "I can't wait 'til my contract is up" spring to mind.

Re:Still won't help... (1)

nlvp (115149) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187758)

My point exactly : Apple's argument is that they're not dominant. But I agree violently with your characterisation of some of their more recent moves as "dickish". There's a slight whiff of megalomania, perhaps a faint odour of superiority, to their reactions to anything that isn't either home-grown or plays within their rules.

Re:Still won't help... (2, Informative)

Fross (83754) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187922)

A quick google ( [] ) shows iphone passed Windows mobile in 2009, and had 3x market share of Android as of June this year.

Do get your facts right or you look as bad as the fanboys.

Re:Still won't help... (1)

nlvp (115149) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188276)

Given the context of the discussion, I don't think he was comparing the iPhone OS to Microsoft's OS in the smartphone market. He was comparing the iPhone's market position (i.e. "is it a monopoly") to the position Windows XP held when Microsoft was getting lambasted for abuse of monopoly power by the courts.

In his second sentence, he then talked about the smartphone market, to demonstrate how others provide robust competition to the iPhone (further proof that the market is not a monopoly).

The gist of his message is right... They can't be considered a monopoly since they don't control the market, and Android is a new entrant and is gaining market share, as the link you yourself provided proves.

Re:Still won't help... (0, Flamebait)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188502)

Careful teasing the fanbois. Teased one the other day, and he went rabid on me. Had to have him put down.

No "Android pod touch" (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188616)

It's really only a matter of time before developers jump ship for Android

Android devices without an integrated mobile phone don't have Android Market, and the one that was recommended for a while (Archos 5) is stuck on an ancient version of Android. So as I understand it, Android 2.x has no close counterpart to the iPod touch for someone who doesn't want yet another monthly phone bill.

Re:No "Android pod touch" (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188722)

Nexus One, does that. It's pricy, but you can even use it as a phone without any monthly bills. Either via pay as you go or using it completely via wifi and VoIP. Or you can ditch the phone component all together and use it as a iPod replacement.

Re:Still won't help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187634)

Ummmmmmmm, NO. BEING -a monopolist is ok. ABUSING monopolies when you have them (using that leverage to enter another market, for instance) is illegal. Figger it out before you looks ig'orant.

Re:Still won't help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187688)

I would say you are unquestionably the "ig'orant" one here, as if Apple was classified as a monopoly, their activities would without a doubt be considered anti competitive, something the OP pretty clearly implied. On second read of your post and the post you replied to, I'm gonna actually take back that "ig'orant" and raise it to a "fucking retarded".

Re:Still won't help... (1)

RetroRichie (259581) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187790)

Nope--there is nothing inherently bad about monopoly. There's nothing even illegal about being a monopoly. It is only illegal to leverage your monopoly with anti-competitive tactics, and you don't need anti-competitive tactics to become a monopoly. The two are mutually exclusive.

Re:Still won't help... (1)

nlvp (115149) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187868)

You didn't read his post, nobody's qualifying monopolies as good or bad here... here's the key phrase :

if Apple was classified as a monopoly, their activities would without a doubt be considered anti competitive, something the OP pretty clearly implied.

I didn't say being a monopoly was "bad", and neither did he, we both said that their present actions could be considered bad were they to be qualified as a monopolist. I said that if Apple were a monopolist, then their behaviour (blocking certain applications from running on their OS) could be interpreted in the same light as Microsoft's actions in the past. In other words as abuse of monopoly power. But to abuse it you have to have it...

Since they are not a monopolist, they can defend their actions by saying that they don't control enough of the market for their behaviour to qualify as market abuse as developers such as Adobe have the ability to produce software for many other platforms and a very large chunk of the market.

The first AP (with the charming "ig'orant" remark) probably just read my post to fast and had an itchy trigger finger. I didn't think I needed to spell my argument out in all its detail, but anyway, this is slashdot, flames are part of the scenery.

Like dropping a turd on the dinner table (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187594)

I'm not Apple fan, but putting Flash on an iPhone4 is like going to a nice dinner party, getting wasted, jumping up on the table, dropping trou, and depositing a huge steamer right in the salad bowl.

It's just NASTY.

Re:Like dropping a turd on the dinner table (0, Flamebait)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187690)

I'm not Apple fan, but putting Flash on an iPhone4 is like going to a nice dinner party, getting wasted, jumping up on the table, dropping trou, and depositing a huge steamer right in the salad bowl.

You mean it lets you skip the salad and get straight to the good stuff?

It's just NASTY.

Ah, you kids and your crazy wicked sick gnarly talk..

Re:Like dropping a turd on the dinner table (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187886)

It's just NASTY^H^H^H^H^H flat-out the easiest way to make sure you don't get invited back to any more of those boring dinner parties. Not to mention that it gives them something to talk about at boring dinner parties for the next year or so, and a way to dismiss any lesser faux pas that guests may subsequently commit. You're doing yourself and them a huge favor. Really.


Re:Like dropping a turd on the dinner table (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187968)

It's just NASTY^H^H^H^H^H flat-out the easiest way to make sure you don't get invited back to any more of those boring dinner parties. Not to mention that it gives them something to talk about at boring dinner parties for the next year or so, and a way to dismiss any lesser faux pas that guests may subsequently commit. You're doing yourself and them a huge favor. Really.

I must try this, before I have to endure another "champagne"-evening or "champagne drink".

It's like people who go out to eat and forget they're paying someone to serve them, but "play pretend etiquette" making retards of themselves.

"oh no", they say, "you cannot do this inhere"
"why not?", I reply.
"Because it's fancy"
"I'm paying this guy to give me an excellent experience who are you to kill my party?", while they look at you funny.
"If I want to shit in a bowl and have Jeeves here hold it with his pearly white gloves while I tip him to do it with pleasure, who are you to judge? This is how I dine out."

Now we wait.... (0)

master811 (874700) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187640) see how long it takes before Apple "fixes" this and "saves" people from the "horror" that is flash - whether we want him to or not.

Re:Now we wait.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33187686)

Why would they? Most folks don't jailbreak their phone, and most could probably care less about flash. The vast majority of sites you visit either have mobile versions, or if not, the flash isn't critical to navigation. I've hit maybe 2 sites in the past year that required flash. I simply brought my business elsewhere in such cases.

It's a non-issue. Otherwise flash would be on every smart phone on the market. It's only now making it into mainstream Android platforms, and even then, it's still a dog.

Re:Now we wait.... (-1, Flamebait)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187744)

and most could probably care less about flash

Really? They could? Such an annoying, common mistake...they couldn't care less about flash. If they could care less, don't you think that they would? /wordusagenazi

Re:Now we wait.... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187708)

Would this 'fixing' if attempted work on jail-broken phones as well?

Oh well (2, Insightful)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187646)

Kudos for the achievement, but I am not going to clap too hard.

I am not a big fan of Flash at the best of times. I have seen more cases of sloppy web design, UI design and lack of CPU optimisations in Flash than in other things I have used. Some of this can be attributed to people developing the Flash applications and some of this can be attributed to Adobe, but in the end we all suffer. If some of these issues were addressed I might change my mind about Flash, but at this point I have Flash block on my PC and I am not really missing it on my hand-held devices. Also, the lack of evidence that Adobe is actually trying to address these concerns is not helping. As for web sites using it as their only UI: sorry I'll find out what you were trying to sell when you use web standards.

Re:Oh well (5, Insightful)

deathguppie (768263) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187928)

Dude, seriously. I hate the plastic knife they pack away in those little cheesy cracker packs. It doesn't work very well and it's more garbage for the environment, but sometimes it's the only way to spread my cheese. I could hate the plastic spreader, write about it in blogs, start a petition... However sometimes it's just what I'm looking for even if I don't agree with it.

With that said, many, many flash sites load and run very well on my Nexus One. More than I would have thought, and I can always turn it off, or not go to the site.

Re:Oh well (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187948)

Surely you exaggerate? I've seen more shit web design in plain old HTML than everything else combined. Your UID suggests you're old enough to remember Geocities and Angelfire.

Re:Oh well (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188016)

you're old enough to remember Geocities and Angelfire

Shhh! We don't talk of those things. Imagine if they had AJAX back then -- the world could've exploded. Best to let those memories die.

Re:Oh well (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188194)

Surely you exaggerate? I've seen more shit web design in plain old HTML than everything else combined. Your UID suggests you're old enough to remember Geocities and Angelfire.

I may exaggerate (heck rants are for that :), but then again my expectations have gone up too. The idea of having a Core 2 Duo PC brought to it knees by Flash ads is not something that should be accepted. There are plenty of nicely designed Flash sites (though a pure HTML approach would be nice), but should we accept a Flash application max out a CPU, especially when it does seemingly nothing, when the same thing of a stand-alone application would be reason enough to junk it?

I must admit while there were plenty of badly done web pages in Geocities, they were mostly static, so at least that was the only thing to put up with. Also, many of them weren't done by self professed 'web designers' either.

Re:Oh well (5, Interesting)

Shihar (153932) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187992)

I have been a pretty big hater of flash in the past. Its ability to bring a modern computer to its knees with a fucking little flash game is pretty god damn annoying. That said, Apple bitch slapping the shit out of Flash has knocked a little sense into their heads. They have recently discovered mortality and found that they kind of fear it. Flash has started to clean up its act and stopped assuming that the user has more cores than fingers and enough memory to run a dozen instances Windows Vista at once. In fact, EVERYONE has started to do this from website designers to chip makers. I think the smart phone mobile revolution has been great for design in general. For too long everyone used Moore's law as crutch. Why use good design when you can throw 8 gig, handful of cores, and enough power to run a small movie theater at the problem?

What makes the mobile revolution really interesting is that it is really just reclaiming a lot of old tech. Everyone from chip designers to programmers know exactly where to go next because we have already been there with the PC. The challenge now is to take that old tech and optimizing to do more with less. The programing piece is interesting, but I think the real advances will be in hardware design. What smartphones are doing to hardware (chips, memory, sensors, etc) is breathtaking. They have covered ground that it took PCs a decade to cover in a couple of years. By the time my HTC Evo is ready for replacement in less than two years, I don't doubt for a second that my next phone is going to be rocking specs to put my last computer to shame.

Re:Oh well (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188732)

I had to switch from a Nexus One (Froyo 2.2) to a Motorola Droid-X (Eclair 2.1) because AT&T blows chunks (despite their coverage map showing full 3g coverage) where I live and I have to say - I do miss Flash, and I catch myself visiting a website that has embedded Flash objects I like to play around with all the time and just staring at that "missing plugin" icon is still a bit of a shock (only had the new phone 3-4 days). Adobe Flash only works on Froyo 2.2.

A lot of websites and blogs embed flash videos in them, and if they aren't Youtube - you cannot view them.

I do like the Droid-X more than the Nexus One (its touch display is far less buggy) and I can't wait for the next big update :).

Oh and Flash on my Nexus caused no noticeable battery drain than normal - in fact after Froyo was installed the battery life went *up* not down.

What alternative to Flash? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188762)

What do you recommend that web animation series such as Homestar Runner and Weebl and Bob use instead of Flash? Authoring in Flash and rendering to H.264 or WebM would only make it ten times bigger.

Re:Oh well (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188910)

I would prefer to make that decision myself then have a company dictate it to me. I have an iPhone and I actually really do like it. However Flash is something I would like to have the option to choose. I am not applauding Jobs for keeping Flash off the Phone, Granted 99% of the time it isn't an issue but that 1% is annoying. HTML 5 is great and all however until IE supports it well by most of it browser share it will not be replacing Flash. And there are the DRM Reasons to stay with flash... Yes I know DRM is evil... But it is often used in the cases of DRM or No Content type of applications.

Battery Murderer (3, Funny)

al3k (1638719) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187648)

I'm sure this will only improve the iPhone's awesome battery life! (iphone owner)

Re:Battery Murderer (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188470)

Turning the phone off will save battery too. The point is having the option. And won't affect battery/performance if not activated, and not visiting a site with flash. Considering how much you have to do to reach that point (jailbreak phone, install flash, enable it in your browser, and actually visiting a site with flash) then you really want to get that functionality, battery or not. Same could be said about bright screen, gps, 3g or in general, or any app that takes cpu

Bugs in iOS4 that need to be fixed... (2, Interesting)

AmazinglySmooth (1668735) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187772)

I'm convinced that Apple has put out iOS4 with at least one bug that users find mildly annoying (like failing to send emails with photos). That way once an exploit is discovered in the new OS release they have reasons for users to upgrade.

Not having flash... (0, Troll)

tacensi (706781) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187830)

is the iPhone's main feature for me. But if you like it, nice to have the choice.

Re:Not having flash... (3, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188192)

is the iPhone's main feature for me. But if you like it, nice to have the choice.

Why don't you use a rock or a jellybean, then?

Not having the choice to use Flash is a very stupid motivator in choosing a phone. It's like saying that you'd rather be unable to run because running can wear you out faster than walking, or that you don't want to be allowed to freely express yourself because that can be embarrassing.

Why give up the choice just because most of the time you would stick with one option? But the real question for me is this: why take such joy in giving up that choice? Why thank Apple for disallowing a feature that wouldn't hurt you at all, though it might only rarely help?

loads in a stopped state? (1)

dwightk (415372) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187970)

how about doesn't load unless you ask it to, so that it doesn't hurt those other performance factors: load time and bandwidth.

Re:loads in a stopped state? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188574)

And RAM.

Re:loads in a stopped state? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188920)

Watch the video - when he activated the content it took a fair amount of time to load ;).

Curious... (2, Interesting) (1853046) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187972)

I wonder how many people actually want Flash on their phones. I mean, Adobe have had more than a few years to optimise their player for the biggest sector of their market: the desktop, and they've failed completely. Even on my fairly beefy (Windows 7) desktop with gigs of ram and an abundance of free CPU cycles (read: 99% idle, only Chrome with flash running), the latest flash player chews up CPU like no man's business. (And yes, I've tried the betas and pre-releases, and they're just as bad...)

Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that only a minority of people would want flash on their phones, or perhaps Adobe has stepped it up a gear and actually optimised flash player enough so that it won't drain down a handset's battery in a very short space of time. But considering that they often refuse to even comment on bug reports regarding performance (or a complete lack thereof), I'd be surprised if they have.

Who needs flash? iPhone users dont! (2, Funny)

Servaas (1050156) | more than 4 years ago | (#33187988)

I have yet to find a single iPhone user who needs / wants flash, why are these people actually trying to make it work? Flash is a battery drain, awkward UI, etc etc. Why would anyone want to run it on an iPhone?

Re:Who needs flash? iPhone users dont! (1)

sosume (680416) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188948)

Steve??? Is that you????

Old news... w/ Frash we could do it for a while (1)

RJarett (114128) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188174)

Ive had flash on my iPad for a while now. Frash lets you do it pretty easily.

Is this full Flash (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188244)

Can you run a web cam on it or more for web page layout?
Web video calling ...

flash might not be great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188286)

I don't think anyone is singing flash's praises. You could certainly raise a of a lot of objections to HTTP, and the world wide web in general, but no one releasing a device that didn't support HTML would act like it was a good thing: the standard exists, and a hell of a lot of people use flash, for better or for worse. The issue is that Apple, once again, is making a user's decisions for them. Many things come without flash preinstalled: I had to install it on my eeepc, for example. But I COULD install it. It's not even a matter of open source principle: I just don't want to buy a product that I can't do with as I see fit. Granted, Apple needs to behave this way to play to their chosen market niche, but they're taking it a little far.

Re:flash might not be great... (1) (1853046) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188506)

I can understand Apple not wanting Flash in their walled-garden. Adobe can't even optimise the desktop player (on Windows no less) so that it doesn't chew up all/close to all available CPU cycles. I'm guessing the reason it's not even a choice left to the user is that Apple don't want to field the inevitable complaints (they've got enough of their own to deal with, heh). That said, users can and do shoot themselves in the foot all the time, so I agree with you: there should be a choice, and that choice should not be Apple's.

Are you f***ing kidding me? (-1, Troll)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188300)

Android users have hyped Flash for months... everyone's been waiting for Froyo so that they could get their hands on that beautiful Flash support (I like Flash in that it enables me to view content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to view - usually it wass the videos embedded in Engadget posts that pissed me off when I couldn't view them due to not having Flash).

Now I've gone through the trouble of switching out my Milestone for a Desire so that I could get Froyo a week early (seriously... official Froyo came out like a week after I got my Desire with the intention of running a Froyo custom ROM on it), and what do the iPhoners do?

iPhoner 1: "Hey dude, we need Flash!"
iPhoner 2: "Uuuuhhhh... Steve Jobs hates it, but who cares - I'll port it!"
*3 minutes later*
iPhoner 2: "Here you go, Flash for your jailbroken iPhone!"

Now, while I applaud the devs in the iPhone community for getting this done, I'm a bit dismayed to realize that for some reason, Android devs weren't able to - and on the system that's supposedly more open.

What gives, Android fans? Nobody with decent skills using Android? Or just lazy? :P

PS: I don't know the first thing about programming (2-player Battleship in C++ in a DOS box is the extent of my programming ability), so I might just be overlooking some little fact that would make the same thing on Android much more difficult ;)

Re:Are you f***ing kidding me? (1) (1853046) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188528)

Just because the vocal minority wants Flash on their Android phones, does not mean that we all do...

I for one will be removing anything Flash-related should it be pushed in my next firmware update.

Re:Are you f***ing kidding me? (1)

sssssss27 (1117705) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188562)

You haven't been paying attention. I've had Flash on my HTC EVO since almost day one and I don't even have a rooted phone.

Re:Are you f***ing kidding me? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188568)

The iOS flash "port" is really just a wrapper around the Android Flash Player to make it work on iOS. This is only possible since the devices use the same sort of CPU. So without Android Flash, there would be no iOS flash :)

Re:Are you f***ing kidding me? (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188620)

Both the Android browser (Chrome?) and Safari use webkit, if I am not mistaken. They are both on ARM processors as well. I imagine they were able to take the flash plugin from Android and put a wrapper around it to get it to work with Safari. Also, flash has been available on the Evo since day 1. I personally don't care much for it but a lot of people seem to be interested in it for android, at least from what I've read on forums.

Re:Are you f***ing kidding me? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188792)

A lot of this is quality assurance - it takes a lot of time to test and integrate all the device drivers in Android so that they work near perfect as possible. Its not like slapping a linux distro onto a white box and calling it a day ;).

Not Strong Bad (2, Informative)

Meneth (872868) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188346)

I know he's the reason everyone goes to the site, but, unfortunately, Strong Bad didn't appear in this Flash demo at all. They only showed the speech-impeded athlete, Homestar Runner.

Uhmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33188478)

How exactly do you install a binary that was never compiled for iPhone?

You compile it for iPhone...

And how the ef you compile a closed-source app?

I didn't know one could casually the sources to Flash, if not a corporation part of the Open Screen group.

Re:Uhmm... (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188712)

Following the links in TFA apparently they used the android build of flash with some kind of compatibility layer.

Flash is finally in the iPhone (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#33188652)

now the Justice League is trying to rescue him.
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