Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Narco-Blogger Beats Mexico Drug War News Blackout

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the wikileaks-south dept.

The Media 518

An anonymous reader writes "An anonymous, twentysomething blogger is giving Mexicans what they can't get elsewhere — an inside view of their country's raging drug war. Operating from behind a thick curtain of computer security, Blog del Narco in less than six months has become Mexico's go-to Internet site at a time when mainstream media are feeling pressure and threats to stay away from the story. Many postings, including warnings and a beheading, appear to come directly from drug traffickers. Others depict crime scenes accessible only to military or police."

cancel ×

518 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33247942)

I hope the "second ammendment remedies" crowd is proud.

Where do you think the guns that fuel this bloodbath are coming from??

The guns that fuel Mexico's bloody drug war come from the United States of America, where we are apparently just a little too dumb for sensible gun control. I guess you never know when you will need an M-16 with a large clip to take down your own country's elected government. Nevermined the consequences or the fact that you would be dead before you even reloaded your weapon.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248000)

The guns that fuel Mexico's bloody drug war come from the United States of America, where we are apparently just a little too dumb for sensible gun control.

And the money to pay for them comes from drug sales.

People who pay for dope should realize that they are funding a network of gangs and cartels that murders far more people than the more familiar flavor of terrorist does. Ideally we would decriminalize the drugs and thereby yank the support out from under these people. But that ain't going to happen, so if you happen to use recreational drugs, please do your fellow man a favor and stop.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Informative)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248030)

And the money to pay for them comes from drug sales.

And mexican drug dealer's best customers lie on the US side of the border.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248052)

I, uh, think that was their point. Sorry you're too fucking stupid to understand this.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (3, Insightful)

longhairedgnome (610579) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248034)

Fuck you. Perhaps the artificial restraints by the government, and the support some of these gangs receive from the same government, is the reason for these problems.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (-1, Troll)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248074)

...and instead of an intelligent response, the NRA crowd resorts to insults

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248302)

Given his name "longhairedgnome" and the content of the post he is replying to, and the manner in which he is replying... well I don't think he's part of the NRA crowd.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (3, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248482)

Strictly speaking, the actual cause is the demand for the drugs. Making it illegal exacerbates the problem, but one could envision a scenario where the drugs were legal but cartels still ruled. One cannot envision such a scenario where there is no demand.

Why is GP labeled troll? Simply because he has a different opinion?

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248040)

I'll stop buying drugs as soon as everyone else stops buying diamonds.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248096)

I'll stop buying diamonds as soon as everyone else stops being more attractive than me.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (4, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248134)

I'll stop buying drugs as soon as everyone else stops buying diamonds.

Not gonna work. Buying her diamonds makes you more attractive, using drugs makes her more attractive.

Don't rock the boat.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248092)

Which is why you only buy locally grown.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248424)

Bah, that Marijuana stuff's for hippies and gangsters.

The top-heavy distibution of wealth in the U.S. requires more of a real executive's drug, cocaine, which is not grown here. But I can tell you where it comes from, and how it gets here!

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248100)

The guns that fuel Mexico's bloody drug war come from the United States of America, where we are apparently just a little too dumb for sensible gun control.

And the money to pay for them comes from drug sales.

People who pay for dope should realize that they are funding a network of gangs and cartels that murders far more people than the more familiar flavor of terrorist does. Ideally we would decriminalize the drugs and thereby yank the support out from under these people. But that ain't going to happen, so if you happen to use recreational drugs, please do your fellow man a favor and stop.

Don't support terrorists and Cartels...

Buy only american grown weed!

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248176)

But.. how would you know? Its not like there's an FDA or DoA seal you can look for....

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (3, Interesting)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248430)

If it were legalised and taxed there would be.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248462)

I know you want to sweeten the pot for the politicians a little with the "tax it" business, but please don't give them any ideas. Balancing out a good idea with a bad one is a terrible compromise.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248586)

It's pretty easy to tell when pot has been formed into a brick for bulk transport. You don't need a seal.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248730)

But.. how would you know? Its not like there's an FDA or DoA seal you can look for....

Sticky Icky doesn't come from mexico.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (4, Insightful)

DelitaTheFridge (912659) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248300)

Drug abuse is a social problem and should be treated as such. Dope fiends don't care about lying to their friends and family to score more drugs, why do you think they would care about strangers in Mexico? The real people who are funding the network of gangs and cartels are those who vote for(or appoint) politicians who support drug prohibition. End of story. The cards are entirely in their hands, dope fiends will get drugs one way or the other.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248472)

I respect your opinion, but it's stupid...

Drugs have only been forbidden for less than a hundred years... We were fine before prohibition, and now children are being mutilated in your backyard. And believe me, this is a hundred billion dollar business, it WILL creep up to the us.

Milton fried man in americas drug forum (YouTube for it) said it best: it is prohibition that makes this business so profitable.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248720)

Milton fried man in americas drug forum (YouTube for it) said it best: it is prohibition that makes this business so profitable.

You'd almost think we would have learned something from Prohibition.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (4, Interesting)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248448)

Look, it's very simple. I'm a Mexican living in Mexico, I also know more cities of the us than most us citizens. Drugs are consumed in Mexico (at a tenth of the price, btw), by some people and that ain't never going to go away neither here nor there in the us.

We cannot, because your government will not let us, decriminalize consumption in Mexico. And it wouldn't do as much good as it could because if they aren't legal up there then most of the Dough that comes here, that buys guns and officials and blood, will still be puouring in.

We need an international effort to legalize personal production of all personally produceable drugs. Not public consumption, not a blanket for junkies, but just a way for people to use their freedom in NOT helping the cartels.

As a side note, we could also start subsidizing legal drug prime matter, such as opium poppy and coca plant so that pfizer and all those Bauer fuckers would buy from the guys that now make the prime matter for illegal drugs. If you've ever seen a porter business analysis you will see that this two pronged strategy hits at both sides of the drug cartel business.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248574)

People who pay Federal Taxes in the USA should realize that they are funding terrorism as well.

ain't going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248748)

ain't going to happen, more likely that narcotic dependency, ie opioids, will continue to be treated with buprenorphine or one day its successor, or for the unlucky many, methadone, ie nazi smack.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (3, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248026)

I hope the "second ammendment remedies" crowd is proud.

Where do you think the guns that fuel this bloodbath are coming from??

The guns that fuel Mexico's bloody drug war come from the United States of America, where we are apparently just a little too dumb for sensible gun control. I guess you never know when you will need an M-16 with a large clip to take down your own country's elected government. Nevermined the consequences or the fact that you would be dead before you even reloaded your weapon.

The drugs are completely illegal in both Mexico and the USA. How's that been working out when it comes to eliminating them? What makes you believe that making guns completely illegal in both countries is going to work out better? When we finally figure out a way to keep drugs out of highly controlled environments like prisons, maybe then we can worry about the US-Mexico border.

I'll never understand why anyone even humors positions like prohibition and gun control. We've tried both for a long time now, more than long enough to iron out any implementation errors. They simply don't work. Acknowledge that and maybe we can come up with something that might work.

Oh, and apparently tyrants everywhere do fear armed civilians. That's why Hitler and every other "successful" dictator made it a top priority to first disarm the citizens. There can be no more honest explanation of this than a hard look at what the tyrants themselves considered a threat to their rule.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0, Troll)

QCompson (675963) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248048)

What makes you believe that making guns completely illegal in both countries is going to work out better?

Wait... you can grow guns in closets? Or in national forests? Or make them in homemade "gun labs"? I did not know that.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248120)

Guns are easy to make, anyone with a metal lathe can make them. Even easier though is to smuggle them like drugs.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Informative)

jbeach (852844) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248150)

But not good guns. If it was that easy to make reliable, accurate, durable guns then no one would ever buy them at American prices.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248200)

You might want to head down to the local range/gun shop before you make a statement like that. Most of the guns you see there are going to be foreign made. The highest quality ones in the store are probably israeli or czech, even.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248288)

I bought my first Glock 17 for $600 right before the clip ban during Clinton's reign. Just bought a second one, same model for $450 a few months ago. (The orginal is fine even after 10,000+ rounds through it. I just wanted a another.) Yep those high prices are killing me.

Guns are stupid easy to make take a look out there at all the 3party parts suppliers and you'll soon realize even if they closed down every single major gun manufacturer it would hardly slow the supply of parts and fully assembled weaspons.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Interesting)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248392)

AK-47s are made from stamped parts and deliberately designed around loose tolerances. A moderately skilled gun enthusiast machinist could probably turn out a respectable version given good plans.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248216)

All it takes is a C&C machine and a few other pieces of tooling and you can most certainly create a homemade "gun lab". And they'll get their guns from somewhere. There are plenty of arms dealers out there and if these people can smuggle drugs, smuggling arms is not much different. I wouldn't be surprised if more arms came from Brazil or other south american countries that are producing Galil & Fal clones.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Insightful)

Moridin42 (219670) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248342)

When a prisoner can make a gun in a high security prison yes.. guns can be made pretty much anywhere.

Was that particular gun a great one? No.. but it was made under some pretty serious materials control and without the advantage of some very helpful tools, under what are supposed to be some pretty watchful eyes. Firearms are a genie that are well past being out of the lamp. Closing your eyes and wishing really hard won't make them go away.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

westcoast philly (991705) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248126)

Oh SNAP! Godwin's law! and it only took 19 minutes.
http://xkcd.com/261/ [xkcd.com]

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248194)

1. Drugs are easy to create. No special equipment is needed to make drugs. It's like "cooking" recipe
2. Guns are difficult to manufacture. Even an AK-47 requires stamping press to produce. Weapons used in the Mexican drug war require specialized factories to produce the weapons *and* the ammunition. But controlling access to guns would not eliminate the problem of guns being used by drug cartels. Well, at least stuff they couldn't get from elsewhere (3rd world black market, you can apparently get anything there ;)

Taking guns away would not fix the problem. Drugs are the cause, violence to control their trade and hence profits is the result. Gun violence is the result, not the cause. (And I'm pro-gun control, but even I can see that guns are not the cause of violence!)

If the goal is to get rid of the drug cartels in Mexico, make drugs FREE in special drug dispensaries or sanitariums in the US. They would still be illegal outside such centers (I don't want to come across addicts on crack on the highway, thank you very much). Addicts could then get high there, but would only be allowed to leave once "sober". This would result in,

1. drastic reduction of crimes committed by addicts to try to get their fix
2. drug cartels would not have a reason to exist anymore

But that would be too common sense, I guess?

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248330)

Drugs are the cause.

Bzzt! Drug prohibition is the cause.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Informative)

sv_libertarian (1317837) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248248)

Can't buy M16's or other full auto/select fire weapons off the shelf in the US.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248274)

I'll never understand why anyone even humors positions like prohibition and gun control. We've tried both for a long time now, more than long enough to iron out any implementation errors. They simply don't work. Acknowledge that and maybe we can come up with something that might work.

I agree that they haven't worked for a country the size of the USA. But that doesn't mean it never can. I don't support the war on drugs, but I think that if it were treated as an actual war then it could be viable. It can't be done today; but sometime in the future, who knows? Computer-monitored borders, vastly beefed up coastguard, multiplied cargo inspection manpower (and automation), MUCH more funding and research into the DEA. It comes down to money and technology.

Home-grown drugs will never be stoppable, but importation and large-scale trafficking and growth are theoretically capable of being effectively controlled. But probably not for at least the next 70-100+ years.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248364)

So we can't control guns, so let's stop controlling drugs? That's a fallacy. I don't remember the name of it, but I know that's a fallacy, we talked about it in English today before watching a movie.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248520)

No. We need to recognize that banning drugs encourages violence. Banning guns won't work because the cat's out of the bag, and drug cartels can easily get more guns from other countries. Unless you're suggesting Team America: World Police remove guns from all countries. It's the demand for drugs in the US that funnels money into the violence in Mexico. Trying to control both is just fighting two losing wars instead of one. Did you pay attention in history to how well a two-front war worked out for Germany?

Prohibition and regulation are different (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248386)

I'll never understand why anyone even humors positions like prohibition and gun control. We've tried both for a long time now, more than long enough to iron out any implementation errors. They simply don't work. Acknowledge that and maybe we can come up with something that might work.

Prohibition didn't work, but we still regulate alcohol. Drunk driving, drinking age, liquor licenses, and more. Disarming the citizenry is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean guns can't be regulated.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Informative)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248706)

That's why Hitler and every other "successful" dictator made it a top priority to first disarm the citizens.

Bullshit. Citation or it didn't happen. For your info: Hitler REARMED Germans after the western world thought it wise to limit what kind of weapons Germans could produce.

Drugs Don't Kill Like Guns Do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248712)

So if any amount of drugs were completely legal in Mexico, and you noticed that America just across the border was inundated with drugs, you wouldn't see any connection? And no, we are not inundated with drugs. If you think we are you haven't tried to score good stuff in a city where you don't have a connection.

It's a funny world you people live in where free and legal access is the same as a black market.

If gun control works so poorly then why do countries like Rwanda and the United States have sky high murder rates while Canada, Europe, and every other sane country has much lower murder rates.

By the way, I'm not concerned that a bunch of vigilante assholes are going to take over my government by force. They don't have anywhere near the capability. If you had even second grade critical thinking skills that would be obvious to you.

tyrants everywhere do fear armed civilians

The tyrants are the assholes that carry guns around to get their way. They aren't arming to fight the government. They are arming themselves to fight the rest of us, who choose peace and democracy instead of violence.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248740)

You are missing the point.

The point is: The NRA and other weapons-industry lobby groups don't care about the Second Amendment, they care about PROFITS. And it is profitable to use the Second Amendment as part of a straw-man argument to keep states and/or the federal government from enacting legislation which would both PRESERVE the Second Amendment AND make it more DIFFICULT for Mexican drug cartels (and probably felons here in the U.S.) to purchase MASS QUANTITIES of weapons.

Here is an analogy: Freedom of speech is still preserved when there are laws against things like yelling "fire" in crowded theaters. Similarly, there COULD be legislation which would preserve gun rights and also make it harder for guns to be funnelled into the Mexican drug wars. Except that, because it is extremely PROFITABLE, the weapons companies which fund the NRA et al don't want to see that happen. And, of course, "gun rights" (i.e., the cynical manipulation of genuine sentiment, as opposed to actual legislation and political action to guarantee our Second Amendment rights) is red meat for the base of conservative politicians. So there is most likely a political calculus involved as well.

Note that NOTHING I am talking about has to do with encroaching on Second Amendment rights.

If this doesn't make sense to you, then either you don't understand or you refuse to.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248032)

That is among the more absurd things I've ever heard.

It begins with, "virtually nobody in the US can purchase or own an M-16", and ends with, "illegal is illegal". From beginning to end, nothing about the arming of Mexican cartels has anything to do with "gun control" in the US.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248478)

Yes and no. The us prohibits gun exports and yet American citizens find a way to sell them and pass them through the border.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Insightful)

spaanoft (153535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248044)

I'm not a really pro-gun person, but really, considering they're selling something that's illegal to make, traffic and sell... I can't see them having a hard time making, trafficking or selling guns either if they were illegal.

Especially with the news of numerous corrupt police and government officials in the whole drug war, I can't see it being too hard for them to 'somehow' get a bunch of military weapons if they needed to.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248152)

I'm not a really pro-gun person, but really, considering they're selling something that's illegal to make, traffic and sell... I can't see them having a hard time making, trafficking or selling guns either if they were illegal.

You're using logic. That is why you aren't screaming for more gun control and getting very upset that anyone out there might disagree with this. It's probably also why you aren't pretending that there are two equally viable viewpoints on this issue when in fact it's very simple: one is realistic and based on logic while the other is like a fairy tale and based on emotion and whim.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (4, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248532)

It's not about logic it's about social norms, in the US it's always been common for someone to have a handgun in the house, in Australia it's always been frowned on by society (even when it was perfectly legal to own a gun for self-defense). The gun laws in both countries are simply a reflection of the norms that each society had already imposed on itself.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248154)

You should be very careful to distinguish how the guns come from the US...

The US is, in fact, a pretty decent place for civilians to buy moderately zesty firearms without too much hassle. However, the US government also has a habit of handing out all sorts of military-grade goodies to governments it considers to be friends and allies.

Mexican security forces, for reasons that aren't all that hard to understand, has had some trouble stemming corruption and even the flow of former personnel into cartel forces. "Los Zetas [wikipedia.org] " for instance, are largely ex-security forces, now working for the cartels.

Obviously, there is no point in arguing that none of the guns being used in Mexico are of US origin. That is almost certainly wrong, I suspect a reasonable percentage of them are. The question, though, is are they diverted hardware from the American civilian market or are they American military aid being lost because of Mexican government corruption? Both types are "American Guns"; but they have very different policy implications...

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248376)

Most of them are being shipped south across the border. They need something to haul back after they sell all the drugs up here, after all.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (4, Interesting)

Dark_Gravity (872049) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248620)

Most of them are being shipped south across the border. They need something to haul back after they sell all the drugs up here, after all.

You would make a great truck broker (booking loads for the return trip), but the weapons that the cartels are using are not readily available in the US. They are far easier to acquire from the Mexican army deserters and the southern border. [davekopel.com]

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Informative)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248196)

I hope the "second ammendment remedies" crowd is proud.

Where do you think the guns that fuel this bloodbath are coming from??

I debated on whether to use my mod points to mod this comment down as a troll, or to forgo the ego trip and answer the question.

The answer, as it turns out, is "not from the U.S."

Although the Mexican gov't has repeatedly asserted that U.S. is to blame for the flow of guns into Mexico, some forget that the U.S. has sent millions of firearms [smdp.com] to various Central and South American factions, firearms that are readily available in Mexico (and not as a result of any 2nd Amendment rights bestowed on U.S. citizens). Or for your consideration: The blatant distortion of facts by which Mexican officials who, while claiming that 80-90% of the arms in Mexico come from the U.S. [innercitypress.com] fail to mention that the number is extrapolated from a small sample of guns sent to the U.S. that could be traced. This fallacy is substantiated by numbers reported by the ATF in which Mexican authorities confiscated 29,000 firearms in 2008, of which only 5,000 were traceable to the U.S. [opposingviews.com]

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248212)

While there seems to be controversy over the specific numbers there is a general consensus that a gun flow exists.

The numbers seem muddied by the data availible for consideration. NPR ran a story in 2005 [npr.org] which noted that

The ATF conducted about 1,800 successful traces last year of crime guns recovered in Mexico. Ninety to 95 percent of those led to American gun dealers according to Javier Ortiz. In October 2003, ATF traced seven assault weapons belonging to a murdered associate of drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to Simon's Trading Post(ph) in Pasadena, Texas. The dealer, Simon Garza, pled guilty last year to selling weapons to prohibited individuals. His punishment? Five years probation, a $100 fine and he lost his license to sell firearms. That was one of the few traces that led to a conviction. Fewer than half of all traces are successful and only a fraction of those lead to the most recent purchaser

In the Firearms Trafficking Report [gao.gov] the American Government Accountability Office stated that

While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally smuggled into Mexico in a given year, about 87% of the firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last five years originated in the U.S., according to data from Dept. of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. According to U.S. and Mexican officials, these firearms have been increasingly more powerful and lethal in recent years

Fox challenged [foxnews.com] the selection bias of the numbers, finding that "83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S." I should probably have done a little more digging for a better source than Fox but if you're interested some google mining should uncover something more reliable.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248416)

...83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

It may be relevant to ask "of the guns that could be traced, what percentage were traced to the US?" The answer to that question appears to be, "most of them," specifically 87% as cited above, or 95% as cited several years ago. Without some evidence to the contrary, the guns that could not be traced at all might be from anywhere, the US included. The inability to trace the weapon does not preclude it coming from the U.S. Rather, without more information it's hard to say where it came from. More information, even information doesn't definitively tell us where the gun came from, could shed a little light on the issue. For example, knowing the model and age of the weapon, or where/how it was confiscated, might help someone guess, but we don't seem to have that information, and it would at any rate be difficult to analyze even if we did have the information.

It may be fair to speculate that FOX is choosing this statistic to confuse the subject, implying as it does so that most of the guns aren't from the U.S. even though the data do not support that conclusion -- the data merely fail to absolutely preclude the possibility. (I doubt many of the regular FOX viewers I know would be interested in this subtle but crucial distinction. I get the feeling that a lot of people watch FOX because they enjoy the comfy anti-reality bubble it projects in to their living rooms.)

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248554)

Thats the thing though - even if its only 19% as they say, that's still a massive amount. Certainly not quite as emotive when yelled about on opinion-news, but clearly a troublingly high amount.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248254)

Please define "sensible" civilian gun control in the US and explian how it will prevent criminal gun use in Mexico? Fact - Civilians in the US cannot leagally own M-16s or any other fully automatic weapon without a FFA licence.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248668)

Fact - Civilians in the US cannot leagally own M-16s or any other fully automatic weapon without a FFA licence.

What do the Future Farmers of America have to do with gun control? Or did you mean an FFL?

Either way, you're still wrong. No license is needed to own fully automatic firearms in the U.S. You need to register the firearm with the ATF and go through a few other steps, but there's no license involved.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Dark_Gravity (872049) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248752)

Please define "sensible" civilian gun control in the US and explian how it will prevent criminal gun use in Mexico? Fact - Civilians in the US cannot leagally own M-16s or any other fully automatic weapon without a FFA licence.

Sweet! I am a country boy cum suburbanite and I have a couple of pygmy goats as pets. That ought to get me an FFA [ffa.org] license, no?

Kidding aside, you are spot on. Without passing a lengthy background check and other steps, including a federal tax, one cannot easily purchase automatic weapons in the US. Furthermore, thanks to the unconstitutional Hughes Amendment to FOPA, the prices for transferable automatic weapons are artificially hyper-inflated. Mexican drug gangs can buy automatic weapons far cheaper from every source but the heavily regulated US.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Smallpond (221300) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248362)

I hope the "second ammendment remedies" crowd is proud.

Where do you think the guns that fuel this bloodbath are coming from??

The guns that fuel Mexico's bloody drug war come from the United States of America, where we are apparently just a little too dumb for sensible gun control. I guess you never know when you will need an M-16 with a large clip to take down your own country's elected government. Nevermined the consequences or the fact that you would be dead before you even reloaded your weapon.

Since they are armed with military weapons, I guess you must be in favor of disarming the military. That would disarm 1.5M Americans with weapons. Or are you more worried about the 10,000 civilians who own automatic weapons?

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (5, Interesting)

FCAdcock (531678) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248394)

1: Most guns in Mexico come from central america or from the mexican givernment/military. See those pictures of the drug lords with H&K G3 rifles or MP5 submachine guns? Yeah, those couldn't have come from America. We can't get those here. (Well, we can, but they're 30k or more)

2. Very few americans own M-16's. As in less than a thousand most likely. Why? Because the process of purchasing a fully automatic firearm is such a pain that most people don't go through with it. Do you want the ATF to have a sheet of paper where you signed a waiver allowing them to walk into your home at any point, on ant day, without notice to search your home? Neither do most of us, and that's EXACTLY what you have to do to own a fully automatic firearm in this country.

Those of us who do own full auto firearms fall into three categories:
A: Law abiding citizens who like firearms and enjoy shooting. We pay our taxes, don't dream of murdering people, and largely consider our autos to be investments much like classic cars or sports memorabillia.

B: Criminals and thugs who don't go through the proper, legal channels to purchase their weapons (I use the word weapon here intentionally, as it is these people who consider their firearms to be weapons, and intend on using them.) Outlawing firearms will not affect these people in the least as it is already illegal for them to own these firearms. When guns DO move across the border (not often as Mexico throws anyone entering their country with even a single round of ammo into jail for 20+ years) it is these outlaws and criminals who do the moving and selling.

C: Fringe elements made up of crazy mountain men and people who consider their friends to be a militia of some sort and are still out in the woods each weekend preparing for the Soviet Union to invade their small town. Really? Are you worried about these people taking over your country? They aren't a threat to anything except their local dentist's children getting the money for college... Sure, they're vocal and love making a spectacle, but they're on every watch list in the country and are largely law abiding citizens like group A. Those who fall into group B don't usually last more than a year or two before the ATF is at their door taking their toys to the furnace and hauling them off to federal prison for drug or firearms charges.

Being scared of an armed citizenry is about as sane as being scared of dogs. Sure, there are bad apples out there, but just because one in ten dogs have bitten someone doesn't mean that your neighbors lab is about to rip into your leg as you walk by...

I carry a pistol every day. You know how many people I've ever shot? none.

The other day I was at the grocery store and a woman saw my pistol. When she noticed that the hammer was back (the proper way to carry a 1911 is with a round in the chamber, the hammer back, and the safety on) she asked me "Isn't that dangerous."

My answer to her: "Yes, that's the point of owning a pistol. They're dangerous when you need them to be."

She smiled, got the point, and went about her day.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Skillet5151 (972916) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248528)

1: Most guns in Mexico come from central america or from the mexican givernment/military. See those pictures of the drug lords with H&K G3 rifles or MP5 submachine guns? Yeah, those couldn't have come from America. We can't get those here. (Well, we can, but they're 30k or more)

2. Very few americans own M-16's. As in less than a thousand most likely. Why? Because the process of purchasing a fully automatic firearm is such a pain that most people don't go through with it. Do you want the ATF to have a sheet of paper where you signed a waiver allowing them to walk into your home at any point, on ant day, without notice to search your home? Neither do most of us, and that's EXACTLY what you have to do to own a fully automatic firearm in this country.

Just to clarify, very few Americans own fully automatic weapons because it has been impossible to legally register one for civilian ownership since 1986. The supply is fixed and thus the prices for those that have been registered are extremely high. Also, owning an NFA firearm (or suppressor) certainly does not void your rights under the 4th amendment. The BATF may be able to demand to inspect your registered items but they definitely do not have a free pass to search your home or any other personal property without permission or cause.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

IMightB (533307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248558)

I support responsible gun ownership, but I feel carrying a cocked, *loaded* pistol around crosses a line somewhere. We're civilians, it's ok to be prepared but you don't have to be that prepared. May I suggest purchasing a sidearm that doesn't need to have one in the chamber and cocked, it'd make everyone around you a lot more comfortable.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (2, Interesting)

Moridin42 (219670) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248640)

It isn't dangerous. Especially not if he is carrying a series 80 1911. If you like, see if you can find someone with one that will let you wear it for a few days. You don't have to chamber it or anything. Just cock it, flip on the safety, and wear it. Go jogging if you like. Do yardwork. Home improvement. Whatever you like. You will find, at the end of the day, that the hammer is still locked back.

You could, even, leave the safety off. The sear is pretty aggressive. It won't let go if you don't pull the trigger. The safety is there to be extra sure, not as the only means of safety.

Modern firearms that fire without a trigger pull are poorly built, poorly maintained, or they've been garage gunsmithed.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248616)

2. Very few americans own M-16's. As in less than a thousand most likely. Why? Because the process of purchasing a fully automatic firearm is such a pain that most people don't go through with it.

Er, what? I would say quite a bit more than that own M-16's and/or its cousins (AR-15, etc). Just because it is an M-16 does not mean it's fully automatic. There are semi-automatic versions that are legal for anybody to own easily.

You kind of destroyed any credibility you have by saying that all M-16's are fully automatic weapons. That's anti-gun FUD.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (1)

Dark_Gravity (872049) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248466)

First off, the weapons don't fuel the drug war. The excessively high black market profits of drug prohibition fuel the drug war. Firearms just happen to be among the tools used to wage the war. Any automatic weapons being used by Mexican drug cartels are not coming from the legal civilian firearms market in either the US or Mexico. Even the lying sad pandas over at the Brady Bunch & VPC know that. They just have no problem lying and exploiting the situation for their political and personal financial gain, however small it may be.

You aren't Paul Helmke, Dennis Henigan, or Josh Sugarmann, are you, Mr. Anonymous Coward? Because if you aren't any of the aforementioned Joyce Foundation sock puppets, I would expect you could manage to cease with the baseless accusations, and the flying off the handle, and the demonizing of an inanimate object, for just long enough to read some of the results of a simple Google search [google.com] .

Then again, maybe you don't care about the truth. Maybe you just enjoy being part of the problem. Keep on agitating and lying. Thankfully most Americans are wise to your subterfuge.

Re:American Guns!! Yay NRA!! (0, Troll)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248682)

You're an idiot. The weapons used in the drug wars (fully automatic, grenades, and rpgs) are illegal here to. They aren't brought from here, but the money to pay for them is.

Very Nice (1)

uncholowapo (1666661) | more than 4 years ago | (#33247950)

I wonder why this guy isn't swimming with the fishes yet...

Re:Very Nice (4, Insightful)

cappp (1822388) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248564)

Because he occupies an interesting space where both the police and the drug cartels are using him as a front for their media outreach campaign. As long as he's useful to both sides, and not too much of an annoyance, he'll be played by both.

El Blog del Narco (5, Informative)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 4 years ago | (#33247976)

http://www.blogdelnarco.com/ [blogdelnarco.com]

Re:El Blog del Narco (1)

northernfrights (1653323) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248260)

No hablo espanol :(

Re:El Blog del Narco (5, Funny)

inpher (1788434) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248440)

No hablo espanol :(

Don't worry, there is no need to talk to the blog. All you need to do is read it.

Re:El Blog del Narco (5, Funny)

kd5zex (1030436) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248530)

Clicko del translato buttono in the upper left cornero.

It's refreshing (5, Insightful)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248022)

I'm a mexican living in Mexico. I won't go as far as saying that it is hell on earth, but it is getting pretty gruesome. And that's just from what you hear on the news!

Then I started diggin in alternate sources, such as blog del narco, and damn, was I missing out on all the news!

Just recently I bumped into this story [bbc.co.uk] about Ciudad Juarez. The story both gives hope and scares the crap out of you. No sign of that story on the two most widely spread newspapers in Mexico, though. They're just sweeping it under the rug.

I wonder if blog del narco featured it...

Re:It's refreshing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248086)

Which part of Mexico? I'd assume different parts have vastly different standards of living and just want to know if you're in either one of the main cities, ie Mexico City, or in one of the tourist towns, ie Cancun. Or possibly in an out of the way village...? I find that to be doubtful but that's because my image of non-city/tourist village of Mexico is based on the one from The Three Amigos.

Re:It's refreshing (5, Interesting)

blankinthefill (665181) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248136)

I don't know if they're so much sweeping it under the rug so much as (very rightfully) fearing for their lives. NPR was recently running a string of stories about this with the related story found here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128929784 [npr.org] I can not blame the traditional media for avoiding a subject where they face more danger than most war zone correspondents do. The blog in question seems to have done something that traditional media can not: Avoided identifying itself in a way that allows the cartels to go after it with violence. I am personally happy to be living in an era where the dissemination of such dangerous information is possible. Maybe we wont get it how we want to, but the information is out there to be had. Especially in a country where Orwellian measures aren't being taken, important information has a way of finding its way past blocks that may have been 100% effective in stifling it in the past.

Re:It's refreshing (3, Insightful)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248138)

One thing that everybody must consider, is that every news source (including Blog del Narco) has its own agenda.

Even the different newspapers and TV channels have their own allegiances, so you must read multiple news sources to get an approximation of the truth.

-
Another Mexican living in Mexico

Re:It's refreshing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248264)

Another Mexican living in Mexico

Man, if you hadn't said that, I would've thought you were talking about the USA.

Re:It's refreshing (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248398)

Another Mexican living in Mexico

Man, if you hadn't said that, I would've thought you were talking about the USA.

He did say "every" news source. That sounds to me like it'd include the USA's.

Re:It's refreshing (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248632)

That's right.

There's a war in Mexico, and the soldiers routinely cross-over to US territory, kidnap citizens, and drag them back to Mexico. Or just outright kill them. Washington DC used to be the murder capitol of the nation, but now it's been eclipsed by Phoenix Arizona. (Phoenix is also the #1 city for kidnapping.) It's a sad state of affairs.

[Deleted paragraph about closing the border.] I've decided to self-censor myself because I'm tired of being marked "troll". Heaven forbid I share my Jeffersonian views in public (i.e. defense of self, defense of home, defense of country is a right), so I'll just keep them to myself.
.

Oh and I agree that legalizing marijuana/cocaine growing in the US would basically end the war. Mexican and South American druglords could no longer fund their wars without that money. They would die-off like the bootleggers died-off after Alcohol was legalized. Across the ocean, the EU state of Portugal(?) legalized drugs and opened-up addiction centers to help people get cured, and the drug-related crime plummeted to almost nothing.

Re:It's refreshing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248648)

I'm a mexican living in Mexico

No, NO YOU ARE NOT. You are some sad excuse for a white college student blogging on Slashdot. You ARE NOT Mexican. Get off it.

The Mexico you haven't discovered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248098)

that explains the latest batch of Mexico tourism TV commercials

Brought to you by the captcha linkages

pandora88004 (-1, Troll)

pandora88004 (1878232) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248178)

rosetta stone rosetta stone [rosettasto...onsale.com] rosetta stone language rosetta stone language [rosettasto...onsale.com] rosetta stone spanish rosetta stone spanish [rosettasto...onsale.com] abercrombie and fitch abercrombie and fitch [afonsale.com] Abercrombie Fitch Abercrombie Fitch [afonsale.com] Abercrombie Clothing Abercrombie Clothing [afonsale.com] pandora pandora [pandoraschmuckladen.de] pandora schmuck pandora schmuck [pandoraschmuckladen.de] pandora armband pandora armband [pandoraschmuckladen.de] tiffany tiffany [tiffanysfree.com] tiffany jewellery tiffany jewellery [tiffanysfree.com] tiffany rings tiffany rings [tiffanysfree.com]

fuckin a (5, Insightful)

Ryanrule (1657199) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248186)

Legalize it all damn ready. Seriously, executive order, make it happen.

Re:fuckin a (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248356)

Mexico legalizing won't do a damn thing if that is what you mean. The narco traffickers profit from the US' prohibition. I mostly agree with you if that is what you mean though there is something of a zero sum game in effect; easier access to hard drugs mean more will do it and we'll have to put up with more tweakers, cokeheads, and smackheads wrecking their lives and making everyone around them miserable. More would have to change then simply being able to buy hard dope in any Krogers. And some of those changes would have to be in social mores since all the government can do is fail Econ101 and put billions into the traffickers' hands. Only a fool would think inducing a 15000% markup in a product that only costs a few dollars a pound to create won't have consequences.

Re:fuckin a (2, Informative)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248366)

Here ya go. [bloomberg.com] Hopefully, the current administration agrees.

Re:fuckin a (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248406)

Re:fuckin a (2, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248490)

Hell all latinamerican expresidents agree. The key is in the ex part....

Just like in the us.

Re:fuckin a (5, Interesting)

aekafan (1690920) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248428)

Good luck with that. The money and power these cartels have achieved comes from the fact that it is illegal. You think that they will let that change? And are you foolish enough to believe that our government isn't owned by these same cartels? We are their main source of income, and wall street is their pipeline to Washington. These cartels have proven they are willing to take any measure to keep this going. If a true anti-drug war candidate ever had a serious chance at the oval office, i am sure he would quickly turn up dead.

maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248308)

Wikileaks can reveal his true location.

http://exceptionduck.blogspot.com

History Repeating (5, Insightful)

mathimus1863 (1120437) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248336)

It's really quite sad that the world learned nothing from the US' futile attempt to outlaw alcohol in the 1920's. No one is saying drugs are good. They are quite bad, but making them illegal makes them much, much worse. I wish politicians didn't care about looking "soft on crime" in dealing with the drug war, and they could actually push to try to overturn this quixotic war. Make them legal and undercut the illegal drug trade which is fueled by their artificially inflated illegal prices. We saw all the same stuff during alcohol prohibition. The extreme corruption, the gang wars, the bad moonshine that made people go permanently blind, people using/selling more potent forms because it's easier to transport. It's all avoidable, but no one will push the issue because they're instantly shot down for being "soft on drugs"

I die a little inside every time I hear a story about drug gangs basically taking over cities in Mexico and kidnapping people. Think of the people women whose husbands have been kidnapped and they receive pieces of them with ransom notes asking for money that they don't have. This is what could've happened if they kept up alcohol prohibition. Drug prohibition is just as ill-conceived. The better we do reducing supply, the higher the prices go, and the more vicious the drug gangs get in protecting their business.

It's a terrible cycle, and one that can only be broken by regulation. They need to make drugs legal through special outlets stocked with health care workers, where people can safely obtain their drugs and use the proceeds to pay for the addiction specialists and treatment centers. There's nothing we can do except address the problem of addiction, and treat such users as patients, not criminals. Is it perfect? Probably not, but it's a start.

Re:History Repeating (5, Interesting)

aekafan (1690920) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248450)

Actually, some people learned quite a bit from prohibition. Mainly: don't let it end, no matter the cost. Now the very evil people that we have made very rich and powerful are spending quite bit of the money they make to ensure that it doesn't end. The ones whom really learned from prohibition are on the wrong side of the war

Re:History Repeating (3, Informative)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248486)

It's just a Matter of googling for Milton friedman Americas drug forum.... You will see one of the best economists of all time making a he'll of a case.

I totally agree with you.

Re:History Repeating (4, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248498)

It's really quite sad that the world learned nothing from the US' futile attempt to outlaw alcohol in the 1920's.

If you look at it another way, they learned quite a bit. They learned that there are few better justifications for the expansion of police power, a campaign issue that can be used whenever needed, the creation of new bureaucracies, etc. They later figured out that the sheer number of prosecutions resulting from various forms of prohibition were great for the private prison industry.

It's a terrible cycle, and one that can only be broken by regulation. They need to make drugs legal through special outlets stocked with health care workers, where people can safely obtain their drugs and use the proceeds to pay for the addiction specialists and treatment centers. There's nothing we can do except address the problem of addiction, and treat such users as patients, not criminals. Is it perfect? Probably not, but it's a start.

I am reminded of that quote about having abundant solar energy as soon as the utility companies solve one technical problem: how to run a sunbeam through a meter. I don't know how feasible abundant solar energy actually is, but this is a great caricacture of a mentality that needs to be understood. You're dealing with something just like it when you get down to the root of prohibition.

The government that wants to expand is only too happy to be asked to solve such "problems" but this goes unnoticed because too many people have their own reasons for supporting it. Your solution is reasonable and easily the best way to handle the whole affair. It doesn't deny the painfully obvious, which is that the way we have been approaching the issue doesn't work. You just have to solve one technical problem: how to address the visceral satisfaction some obtain from the suffering of anyone who offends their Puritannical views.

Link (1)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248370)

In case anyone's interested and knows their Spanish, un enlace: El Blog del Narco [blogdelnarco.com] .

Re:Link (1)

psithurism (1642461) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248570)

In case anyone's interested and knows their Spanish, un enlace: El Blog del Narco [blogdelnarco.com] .

Actually, just click the translation link on the top left of the page if you don't know your spanish.

MexiLeaks (1)

Ranger (1783) | more than 4 years ago | (#33248572)

anyone?

Use your powers for good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33248728)

If this community is anything, it is knowledgeable. Can we see some security related comments that may help protect this kid running this blog?

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>