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Lucas Promises Star Wars on Blu-Ray in 2011

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the maybe-one-day-blu-ray-will-grab-me dept.

Star Wars Prequels 420

Several readers have written with word that George Lucas has announced a 2011 release date for the Star Wars series — all six films — on Blu-Ray. Engadget (linked) has an explanation of what to expect, and includes a video of a deleted scene that the Blu-Ray version will include. They warn that this might be a disappointment to anyone who (correctly) believes that Han shot first.

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Fuck George Lucas (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253568)

Googoo gaga poopoo papa booboobooboobooboo ah-ah-ah-ah-ah NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1

(that's the summary of Episodes I-III soundtracks)

Six films? (4, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253578)

That's impossible - only three Star Wars films were ever made.

Re:Six films? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253596)

These aren't the prequels you're looking for...

Re:Six films? (3, Funny)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253612)

Maybe there were three direct to video releases of the quality seen in the star wars holiday special.

Re:Six films? (5, Funny)

Diamon (13013) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253682)

ANH, TESB, ROTJ, Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, The Ewok Adventure & The Star Wars Holiday Special.

Re:Six films? (1)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253696)

I think you're forgetting about the Star Wars Holiday Special, Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

Re:Six films? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253868)

That's impossible - only three Star Wars films were ever made.

A highly relevant clip [youtube.com] from Spaced.

Re:Six films? (1)

Matrix14 (135171) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253908)

Eh, idunno. I think Revenge of the Sith is at least as good as Return of the Jedi. Purists may burn me alive, I guess.

Re:Six films? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254066)

RotS was way better than the other prequels, but ultimately it was just mindless action scenes. It carried none of the suspense of the originals.

Re:Six films? (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254068)

There were the three movies, then a short special involving yoda flying around (bit of a long lead-up) called episode 2, and then a long, semi-funny gag reel (for instance, Darth crying when he finds out he's darth vader) called episode 3. I also vaguely recall a long, crappy commercial for the original series called episode 1.

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253580)

The story is over. It told the birth of Anakin Skywalker. It told the fall of the Jedi. It told the tale of Luke Skywalker bringing peace to the galaxy. There is no episode 7,8,9.

This is just a silly cash grab and a non-story

Indiana jones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253594)

Was the original IJ trilogy mentioned ??

george lucas can kiss my ass.. We need ORIGINAL (4, Insightful)

freeballer (1160851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253598)

George. Get the hint. Even if you aren't happy with your creation years ago - WE ARE
I will not buy anything without original footage, with solo shooting.
I'll keep my "original" trilogy dvd set until format is dead or he gets some balls
and give us what we all want - Choice of either or, or both

Re:george lucas can kiss my ass.. We need ORIGINAL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253668)

Original (unmodified version) shouldn't even be copyrighted anymore. It's absurd that something made 33 years ago can still be controlled. Most /.'ers probably weren't even alive then.

Re:george lucas can kiss my ass.. We need ORIGINAL (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253684)


Most /.'ers probably weren't even alive then.

I was in Baghdad when you were in dad's bag!
.

Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253616)

I bought an 'extra scenes' edition of the Original Three, which was gathering dust in my closet. A girl I rented out to said that she really wanted to watch Star Wars because, you know, "it's boy territory but she really wanted to see what it was all about". So I popped in film 1.

It turns out that the 'extra scenes' all came at the start of the movie - when R2D2 and C3P0 have just landed and are wandering around in the desert.

And they wander and wander and wander and wander.

Eternity is two robots and sand.

There is nothing but sand.

And robots.

For about half an hour.

She fell asleep and didn't want to see the rest. Epic fail.

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253708)

Epic fail

Yes, but in a way you probably haven't even realized, yet.

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253748)

Lol you got cock blocked by George Lucus how do you feel?

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (4, Interesting)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253800)

A girl I rented out

How much?

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253826)

How much?

The price goes up if your mom is home.

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (1)

nextekcarl (1402899) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253808)

Sounds like you found nerd ruffies. Could be the starter scene to a CSI: SVU episode.

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (5, Funny)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253968)

Eternity is two robots and sand.

There is nothing but sand.

And robots

For about six years.... Epic fail.

Yeah? Tell that to these guys [nasa.gov]

Re:Too bad the original series extra scenes suck (2, Insightful)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254010)

I've come to a realization recently - as much as the temptation is to show people new to any series the "best" version, the extended version that tells the whole story, etc. - just show them the shorter version. If they get bored, you'll lose them forever.

All sorts of wrong (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253618)

A New Hope wasn't released in 1976, it didn't come out until ~1997. Star Wars didn't even come out until 1977, making 2011 the 35th anniversary of fuck-all. I guess once Lucas started fictionalizing the history of these movies, he took to it so much that even facts don't matter to him any longer. Too bad he'll never repent for the later years of his life; he'll never see another dime from me, either.

Yet Another Star Wars Re-Release? (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253620)

What a surprise, Lucas decides to re-release the star wars films yet again just to milk the franchise for even more profit, one last time...yeah right. If he must do this then perhaps he would be kind enough to edit Jar Jar out this time? Or maybe a young Han Solo could show up and "shoot him first"?

Put this ball gag in your mouth, Luke. (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253730)

I still have horrible nightmares after the trauma that Lucas and Speilberg put Indiana Jones through.

Now Lucas is going to rape Luke Skywalker.

Dear god, I'm going to need counseling.

Re:Put this ball gag in your mouth, Luke. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253918)

No offense, but it sounds like you already need some counseling.

Re:Yet Another Star Wars Re-Release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253840)

Shut up you twat. Star Wars has no HD release. People that enjoy (some of) the films would like them in superior quality to the DVD releases. You'll be surprised to learn that you are not the center of the universe, and other people have their own opinions. Now fuck off to your normal Apple gay fan(lady)boy crap, eh?

yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253622)

the originals are better

How Blade Runner (4, Funny)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253628)

Seriously, how many different versions will the fanbois pay money for? No matter how you feel about Greedo shooting first, doesn't owning four different box sets already make dumping $150 on another seem as silly as rebuilding your basement into the Emperor's Throne Room?

Re:How Blade Runner (1, Funny)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253640)

... as silly as rebuilding your basement into the Emperor's Throne Room?

Wait, so my faithful recreation downstairs is... Silly? :*-(

Re:How Blade Runner (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253806)

Seriously, how many different versions will the fanbois pay money for?

Assuming 8Gig each thats about $1.50 worth of my monthly broadband bill to bittorrent them.

damn.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253630)

that nigger is really milking it for all it is worth.

Re:damn.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253790)

You're horrible at trolling. You could have at least make an off-hand comment about Geordi LaForge or William Riker.

Too bad I don't care anymore (5, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253638)

I mean, a couple years ago? Maybe. Now? No. So what's changed? Well, I've gotten older, there are better movies out there that I'd spend my money on, and frankly, I'm tired of producers yanking our chains with new versions every couple years.

So no. I will not be buying this, as I suspect will be the general refrain from his target base.

Re:Too bad I don't care anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253928)

"producers yanking our chains with new versions every couple years."

Sounds like MS-Windows business model.

Re:Too bad I don't care anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253964)

Seriously if you want a good Space Drama, buy the Lexx boxed set. I don't know about anyone else, but I saw the 2nd and 3rd movies around '00 and really wanted to watch Lexx when it was on Sci Fi, and just recently rediscovered it when it showed up on Hulu. And you know what? It's the best damn show around. You can see where Farscape took their ideas from (Seriously, ripped off in the same way as Simba for the Lion King).

And you know what the best part was? It had a real beginning and end. Some of the filling might be tacky, but even so it was a lot more enjoyable at 30+ hours than Star Wars was at 12.

Additionally there's only one boxed set, none of this 'director's reinterpretation' crap.

And bonus: There's BOOBIES!

Boooo (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253654)


As I commented on Engadget:

Originals == Buy.
Special Edition == 1080p MKV DTS torrent.

That and the decent Laserdisc rips of the originals will have to do, I guess.

Re:Boooo (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253970)

Dear grub (slashdot ID 11606):

This sounds very interesting to me, thanks for the tip. I might have some questions for you about the torrenting, though. Do you have a link to your Engadget post? It's ok if not, I'm sure I can find it. Thanks, I'll be in touch.

Sincerely,
Special Agent Cooper Ramirez
FBI

Re:Boooo (1)

brentrad (1013501) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254030)

Agreed. All of the movies have been available in HD for over 5 years now.

And if you want the original laserdisc non-special edition versions of the originals - also available for ages now.

Culturally relevant? (3, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253672)

Call me crazy, but is Star Wars even culturally relevant anymore? It feels like Disco at this point.

Re:Culturally relevant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253712)

A good way to gauge that is to ask a 5-10 year old what they think about star wars, disco died, but lucas recreates star wars every 5 - 10 years to keep it relevant.

Re:Culturally relevant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253792)

Just like disco.

Re:Culturally relevant? (1)

kg8484 (1755554) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253722)

The opening crawl begins with "A long time ago," so the more the movie ages the more authentic it gets. Furthermore, Lucus made a good business decision targeting the new movies to children. Adults have already seen the original 3 movies and probably already own them on whatever medium and most will not upgrade. However, by getting a new generation of consumers, he extends the amount of time people watch the movies. Maybe in 10 or 20 years he'll make the last 3 to get another generation interested. Even by themselves, the original movies are classics and will be required viewing by anyone who isn't culturally retarded.

Re:Culturally relevant? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253862)

Honestly the first 3 were just as targeted. We look at them thru rose colored glasses at this point. Dont watch them for e few years come back and watch them anew. You will see the first one is rather dull and boring with a whiney guy. The second one is a bit better written with some motivation thrown in for the chars this time. The third was a giant effects fest. Sound familiar?

The problem the newer 3 have is pacing. Trim out about 30 mins out of each movie and they would be much better. Lucas is an old school 70s director. Pacing is slow and deliberate. Not what is currently in fashion of moving the the plot along at a fairly good clip. Probably the biggest eye opener of this effect is watching the extras on Ace Ventura. The director said 'I could loose a half hour of this movie and still tell the same story but jim was just too funny not to show all of this'. Many movies get all caught up on themselves and keep telling the same point over and over. A 30 min pod race in the middle of the movie did NOTHING to advance the plot. Next time you watch it, skip it. You will find the movie is much better. The second one was such a snooze fest I do not know if it could be edited to make it better. The only thing it did was make the motivations in the 3rd one better. That one probably wouldnt need much lost out of it.

But overall they are targeted to 8-15 year olds. Just like the previous set. It was truly a rinse and repeat.

Probably the worst thing that ever happened to Lucas was that he got rich. Which removed some of his real creativity. What would we have seen from him if he had actually had to work at his craft. For example I would say his equal of Steven Spielberg really worked at what he had to do. He kept up the relentless pace of making whatever he did better than what he worked on before. Lucas got lazy and fell back onto merchandising (hence the basic re-re-release of star wars on blu ray which is the same as the dvd set).

But considering what will come out on bluray is almost exactly the same as what is currently on DVD. Hmm, guess I will wait some more (and trust me I am not shy about buying dvds or bluray). I do however tend not to rebuy things. At this point I am only slightly mildly interested in re-buying this. I already own the thing 3 times over. I would only be interested in the originals in decent enough quality to merit bluray or dvd. This is your basic shovel of what they already have. They scanned it high quality ages ago. Now it is just a bluray reencode and small menu tweak. Yawnski

Re:Culturally relevant? (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254024)

But overall they are targeted to 8-15 year olds. Just like the previous set. It was truly a rinse and repeat.

I see this repeated over and over again. It really isn't so. It was the first set of movies I ever saw where adults (unaccompanied by children in many cases) saw them three or four times. Prior to the video rental store, it wasn't uncommon to see a really bitchen movie several times to burn it in your brain because it would be who knows how long until you see it again.

At the time old, young, and in-between were literally lined up around the block to see these movies. The way movies are made, promoted, and the advent of the PG-13 rating have changed the typical audience and the way they are consumed. The Ewoks in Return of the Jedi were truly the start of aiming Star Wars at solely at young kids. It got the laser like focus on kiddies you're thinking about with the prequels. Understand also I speak of the un "enhanced" versions of the originals. Han shooting second really IS kiddieization.

Re:Culturally relevant? (4, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253758)

Depends on one's definition of "culturally relevant". They're good movies, but will never be viewed in the same category as something like Casablanca. Then again, there are a hell of a lot of people today who haven't seen that movie and have no interest in doing so, so there's a legitimate argument that even the movies which are considered classics are not culturally relevant any more.

Re:Culturally relevant? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253760)

Given an entire generation (the boomers) was wowed by it, and then their kids exposed to it, thus comprising many *many* millions of people, I think its safe to say the answer is 'yes'.

Re:Culturally relevant? (4, Insightful)

farnsworth (558449) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253788)

Call me crazy, but is Star Wars even culturally relevant anymore? It feels like Disco at this point.

It is very much so, at least around here. Talk to virtually any 5-10 year old boy, and he will be very familiar with Star Wars. My own children went though a period of being fans, so I witnessed first-hand that it is still very appealing to young minds. It is such an elementary human story, put on in a very engaging production. I suspect that it will culturally relevant for generations.

Re:Culturally relevant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253830)

Call me crazy, but is Star Wars even culturally relevant anymore? It feels like Disco at this point.

As opposed to the more recent creations like the car and telephone? There's this attitude these days that if it isn't trendy then it passe and something from your grandparents generation. Films made in the 30s and 40s can just as easily be culturally relevant. Books written 200 years ago can be as well. Even the work of Homer dealt with the human condition and is culturally relevant. I think you are confusing culturally relevant with what's hot today. Culture is multi-generational and has nothing to do with being trendy.

Re:Culturally relevant? (4, Insightful)

mhelander (1307061) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253978)

Right, but what answer do you expect to the question "is Disco really culturally relevant anymore" from alt.fan.disco? That is, you're not crazy for asking, it's asking that question _here_ that makes you crazy.

So... what's he going to change this time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253698)

I think he said that the 2004 DVDs would be the final versions, but he couldn't even resist changing some things on the prequel DVDs compared to the theatrical versions.

Maybe he can add a squeeze toy whistle when Han steps on Jabba's tail?

Obligatory Penny Arcade reference (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253702)

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/9/22/

Re:Obligatory Penny Arcade reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253774)

best peny-arcad...never mind.

Star Wars (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253738)

Star Wars: the great social experiment proving that, 13 years later, nerds will still be whining about a re-release that they can completely ignore.

Lucas says ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253762)

Lucas told the New York Times that only the special editions will be included, since restoring the original versions in high enough quality would cost too much.

You know, I'm kind of thinking that these special editions will cost too much, even if they are free.

Sometimes, I don't understand nerd outrage. (5, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253770)

The films largely are the same from their 70's/80's versions and the 90's enhanced versions. It's not like in the middle of A New Hope that Obi Wan decides to stop with this whole turning off the tractor beam business and start selling Amway to the storm troopers.

Re:Sometimes, I don't understand nerd outrage. (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253820)

You do not yet understand the true power of the nerd rage young padawan.

Re:Sometimes, I don't understand nerd outrage. (1)

PNutts (199112) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253844)

It's not like in the middle of A New Hope that Obi Wan decides to stop with this whole turning off the tractor beam business and start selling Amway to the storm troopers.

"These are not the phytonutrients you're looking for."

Why? (1)

Smooth and Shiny (1097089) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253776)

Why? So he can change scenes and add shit that wasn't there in order to justify the later movies?

Just happen I have the original trilogy on VHS, untouched by Lucas' stupid "well, I really wanted it to play out this way" hands.

Stars Wars special edition on Blu-Ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253798)

Now with:

75% more scenes with TOO MUCH CRAP going on.
33% more plot holes.
More characters that you couldn't give a flying fu-

And much more.

Re:Stars Wars special edition on Blu-Ray (1)

General Wesc (59919) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253878)

75% more scenes with TOO MUCH CRAP going on.

'Fuck you, Rick Berman! You ruined this too?'

I never noticed until someone said something (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253804)

Gonna be completely honest here. I was young when the first Star Wars came out and watched it. When the Special Edition came out, I was older and enjoyed it also. Not until a few years later did I hear the words "Han shot first!" or something to similar effect. I always wondered what the hell people were talking about until I looked on the Internet one day and someone pointed out the scene in question. That's right, I never noticed that Han DIDN'T shoot first in the Special Edition. For that matter, I never even noticed in the original when I was younger that Han DID shoot first. I never noticed... or really cared. All that mattered to me is that Han blasted Greedo in the cantina. To this day I still don't really care and find it one of the more sillier things fanboys complain about. I mean, I see people's logic as to why but to me Han had his blaster out. He's gonna kill a bitch in that scene. The exact moment, if he does it before or after Greedo attempts to shoot, for the most part seems irrelevant to me. Feel free to call me a troll or whatever and point out the fallacy in establishing Han's character. That scene doesn't ruin Han's badassness for me or the movie for that matter. I still thoroughly enjoy it and Han's character.

Re:I never noticed until someone said something (2, Insightful)

naff89 (716141) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253910)

Well, completely ignoring any effect the scene has on Han's character development, I think most people get outraged because it doesn't make sense that Jabba would send a bounty hunter that can't shoot someone sitting across the table from him. Because it makes so little sense on its own, the only purpose it serves is to change Han's character from the original. Frankly, I'm not sure that Han would have survived so long if he waited until getting shot at before shooting. So it's really the inanity of the change that I think people take issue with.

Re:I never noticed until someone said something (1, Insightful)

Jedi Strke (1686100) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253920)

I actually LIKE Greedo shooting first in Episode IV. It's more consistent with Han's character through the rest of the classic trilogy.

What I have never forgiven Lucas for is editing Sebastian Shaw out of the final scene of Return of the Jedi. Having Hayden Christiansen show up destroys the ENTIRE arc of Anakin not being completely destroyed. I really think this is a far, far more serious change than Han/Greedo shooting first. But I guess it's just me.

Re:I never noticed until someone said something (2, Insightful)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254034)

I find Han shooting first to be consistent with Han's character at the beginning of the trilogy. He was just in this thing for the money. Later, his character changes. With Greedo shooting first, it makes Han's character inconsistent with him being in it for the money, and also detracts from his character changing to become more compassionate to the rebel cause in the later parts of the trilogy. That and the aforementioned fact that he would be dead already if he waited to get shot at before shooting,
Not that I really care. The most important thing is that you don't lay something down and then change it.

Re:I never noticed until someone said something (3, Informative)

AJWM (19027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254080)

I actually LIKE Greedo shooting first in Episode IV. It's more consistent with Han's character through the rest of the classic trilogy.

Arguably it isn't, because Solo is always shown as more of an act first, think later kind of guy. But if it is, then it denies his character the opportunity to show growth through the story arc.

And FWIW, in the novelization he shoots first.

(Mind, if we're going to get picky, the original isn't "Episode IV" or even "A New Hope", but just "Star Wars". The "Ep IV" came on the re-release when "Empire" was in production.)

Reboot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253814)

And after they've milked all they can from the current incarnation, they will slaughter it with a "franchise reboot" and milk that pig all over again...

Spoiler alert (4, Funny)

hey! (33014) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253824)

Jar-Jar shoots Greedo.

Re:Spoiler alert (5, Funny)

Nimey (114278) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254014)

No - Vader force-strangles Jar-Jar for two hours. That's the entire movie.

he should release that as a movie. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254048)

And then it would out perform Titanic, ET, and Gone With the Wind combined!

Responses so far are sad (5, Insightful)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253858)

As a huge Star Wars geek, I've hated almost any discussion of the films I've been involved in since the prequels came out. I liked the prequels, especially Episode III, which is by far Lucas' best film. Just because you have fond childhood memories of the originals doesn't mean the prequels suck. Why is it that everyone acts as if the original three Star Wars films were perfect? They can be scrutinized just as much as the prequels have been. How is it that Darth Vader didn't sense Han coming up behind him when he was about to shoot down Luke in Episode IV? What happened to the force? What happened to Vader being the best pilot in the galaxy? Why didn't Obi-Wan kill Vader rather than sacrificing himself? He claimed that in death he would be more powerful, but his ghost did the same thing he did in life: guide Luke. We later learn that Luke never has the power to take on the Emperor himself, so wouldn't it have been better to eliminate Vader and then team up with Yoda and Luke and go after the Emperor? And for those who complain about Jar-Jar, I have one word: Ewoks. The entire series is riddled with plot-holes and silliness, but that's okay with me because IT'S A SILLY SCI-FI ADVENTURE. People are able to disregard that fact because, as a child, it was so much more. But as much as everyone wanted to revert back to that childhood mindset when they went to see the prequels, they couldn't, because like it or not they'd matured and the silliness of it all became apparent.

I feel the same way about Indiana Jones. How is the Crystal Skull any more silly than Temple of Doom? And the Holy Grail one was just absurd on every level. If you want to watch a serious Lucas film, watch THX-1138.

Concerning Star Wars, I'll always view the prequels as better, despite my fond childhood memories of the originals. The originals were so black and white, good vs. evil. The only intellectually intriguing moments was when Vader turned on the Emperor, and that lasted like 5 minutes. Episode III gave a deeper meaning to the entire series. A balance between good and evil can never be achieved when one group (Sith or Jedi) is in power. In the end, their allegiance is to an absolute adherence to their ideals, not to what they know in their heart to be right. Compromising men are the only effective governors, men like Han Solo or Lando Calrissian. Men who have vices but have a good heart. But Han and Lando are just presented as bumbling adventurers, it's not until the prequels that their greater significance is realized. It's not until the prequels until we are told that "the Jedi aren't all that," a message that many fans probably didn't want to here.

All this directly ties into politics: we want our politicians to be Jedis. To be free of vice, absolute to their ideals, and courageous. But setting such impossible standards is what makes politics as a whole so dishonest. It's what makes distinguishing between a Sith and Jedi nearly impossible. So we never understand the motives of our politicians because they're so cold an calculating, whether for good or for bad.

Maybe that's not the best explanation of the prequel's theme but that's also what makes them so good: there are so many different angles one can view them from. With the originals, it's black and white. The final declarative message clearly deals with paternity, something like, "nothing can destroy a father's love for his son." I just find the prequel haters to be so ungrateful. Lucas not only made the films, but he added elements that went beyond the simple adventurism. If you didn't like the end product, don't hate on Lucas for it, it's HIS saga, not yours.

Lucas' Best Film??? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253986)

I stopped reading when you called Episode III Lucas' best film. It was utterly awful. The idea that Darth Vader, was such a whiny little b!7ch made it unwatchable.

Re:Lucas' Best Film??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254090)

good thing, he later said the prequels were better than the originals. my head asplode!

Re:Responses so far are sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254012)

. . .Episode III, which is by far Lucas' best film.

Yeah, no. Unless you are talking about films Lucas wrote and directed. The Empire Strikes Back is the best and it was written by Lawrence Kasdan (directed by Irving Kershner) who also wrote the best Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark).

Concerning IJ4: did you not see the CG ants and Mutt what's his nuts getting wapped in the nuts while standing on two jeeps? Or the guy from Disturbia (same as Mutt what's his nuts I don't remember his name) swinging from tree to tree (in CG of course)? What is as absurd as those scenes in Temple of Doom? Indy riding an elephant? I'm not saying they didn't do absurd things, but at least they didn't present the image that the film was co-developed by Cartoon Network.

Re:Responses so far are sad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254036)

you certainly have an unusual opinion. Ewoks are awesome, the original three were an awesome adventure. The prequels had no adventure to them, no mystery.

now, I don't know the certain answers to your questions, but it seems like you are missing some obvious points.

How is it that Darth Vader didn't sense Han coming up behind him when he was about to shoot down Luke in Episode IV?

I thought they sensed people who were strong with the force.

What happened to the force?

Nothing, Han never had the force. That was Luke.

Why didn't Obi-Wan kill Vader rather than sacrificing himself? He claimed that in death he would be more powerful, but his ghost did the same thing he did in life: guide Luke.

I think the point was that wisdom is more powerful than violence. Darth Vader only knew how to be violent, throw shit and strangle people. Vader tried to convert Luke to the dark side, but he was so pathetic that the other way round ended up happening, Luke converted him to the light.

We later learn that Luke never has the power to take on the Emperor himself, so wouldn't it have been better to eliminate Vader and then team up with Yoda and Luke and go after the Emperor?

I actually don't know what you are talking about, I just don't know. But the impression I got is that if they just resorted to violence, they would succumb to the dark side. When Yoda talked about Luke needing to confront Darth Vader, I think he meant emotionally, not just violently.

I loved redlettermedia's reviews of the prequels on youtube. Love them or hate them, they are super thorough reviews, and I loved the humor. Though, I have to admit, you probably won't like them.

I totally respect your opinion, but I don't see it being shared by many others.

Oh, and ewoks are AWESOME!

Sorry, but many of us disagree (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33254076)

If you liked the prequels that's fine but we are also entitled to our opinions. I thought they sucked. 3 was marginally ok, 1 was just incredibad. If you want some specifics:

1) The acting. Just bad, bad, bad. This was probably partially the bad writing, partially directing, partially the fact that they were almost always on complete green screens. The combination just adds up to an extremely unconvincing performance from most of the actors. Also some were just flat out bad actors for the roles. The child Anikan was -horrible-. Anikan is supposed to be some hardened, badass slave kid and we get a kid who plays him as a happy go lucky middle class white boy.

2) The writing. As I said the writing is very poor. The dialogue is really bad. Most of it does not feel natural and appropriate, it feels forced. The love scene dialogue in #2 is one of the very worst of all. There's plenty of non-dialogue related badness though, such as the space fight scene at the end of #1 where Anikan is just "playing" effectively and yet kicking ass. Rather than show him as extremely competent with supernatural talents, as you'd expect given the backstory, he is presented as a bumbling kid that happens to be lucky and manages to do what is needed by accident.

3) The story. It was a shitty story arc. You had some just flat out retarded shit like the miticholrians, but over all the story was just bad. In particular the final part of Anikan's conversion to Vader was trite, forced, unbelievable, and poorly developed. It was a massively rushed conclusion that seemed stuck on to a meandering story to try and make it connect to the later films.

I could go on, but I really don't need to because someone already did an excellent and extremely lengthy (and funny) analysis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI [youtube.com] There's one on EP2 as well.

"don't hate on Lucas for it, it's HIS saga, not yours."

Oh please, of all the cop out lines this is the worst "You can't criticize this because you didn't make it!" That is the same as saying "You can't criticize the government because you aren't the president!" Fuck you, it was MY time and MY money I sure as hell can criticize and I can can refuse to spend more on it. You can get down on your knees and blow Lucas and worship everything he does but you cannot demand I do the same. I get to have my own opinions and my opinion is that the prequels suck.

Why too! (1)

S-100 (1295224) | more than 3 years ago | (#33253886)

These movies have been on HD television for years. Sure, a nice BD transfer would look better, but not enough to get gouged again buying yet again what has been seen ad nauseum for decades. Episode 4 was on this afternoon on some no-name HD channel (Spike or something), with commercials and everything. The movies just aren't anything that special any more.

And if we have Lucas meddling with plot and effects as he's done in the past, the BD version will be even more of a waste. Star Wars is a cinematic legacy,so who wants to see a bastardized version? Look what he did to THX-1138.

almost completely depreciated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253980)

If others are like me, I will be upgrading the quality of my star wars mkvs 6 months after this release. The value of this release has declined to 10 minutes of my time and 20 hours of bandwidth.

It's good that Lucas is releasing it soon, in a few years it won't even be worth that.

more unpaid adds here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33253994)

./ -tters like "free" commercial advertisments.

LD conversion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33254046)

I guess my black box SE laser disks are still worth keeping they are the only remaining version I have of the original movies untouched by lameness, and the only reason I still have LD player. I did try to rip the laser disks a few times, but the converted movies were pretty crappy. I am more savy thinking I could upscale them and retune the colors, burn them to blue ray disks, so I have them incase my player breaks. Anyone done this? I already have the newer versions of the DVDs. I know the analog to digital conversion is sketchy but anyone who has done this and gotten great results please respond back, I would love to learn more before I make the attempt this time or point me at a good site. Including the equipment used, I can see lucas arts from my house, and want to walk over and yell at them for skull fucking us on the originals. G.L. lazy old fuck.

Thanks for the help anyone!

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