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Internet Explorer Turns 15

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the and-the-internet-has-never-been-the-same dept.

Internet Explorer 271

An anonymous reader writes "Software giant Microsoft's Internet Explorer turned 15 years old on Monday. The company recently said it would launch the Internet Explorer 9 public beta version on September 15, 2010. The software giant launched the first version of the browser, Internet Explorer 1, on August 16, 1995. It was a revised version of Spyglass Mosaic, which Microsoft had licensed from Spyglass Inc."

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microsoft could have been using the Teenager Exuse (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262578)

microsoft could have been using the Teenager Exuse All this Time!

IE for other platforms (2, Interesting)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262784)

Do it Microsoft, I wont mind trying out IE9 on my Mac or Linux box.

Re:IE for other platforms (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262830)

Knowing Microsoft, IE9 on Mac OS X and IE9 on Linux wouldn't be the same as IE9 on Windows. All three version would also be partially incompatible with standards but each in its own way.

I would very much mind, IE9 on more platforms is asking for insanity.

Re:IE for other platforms (2, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263200)

I would very much mind, IE9 on any platforms is asking for insanity.

Re:IE for other platforms (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263214)

Whoever modded this troll never had to code in the IE 5.5 era. The Windows and Mac versions had the same version number but were different programs with different deviances from the standards.

please please no (1)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263098)

Do it Microsoft, I wont mind trying out IE9 on my Mac or Linux box.

From a developer standpoint, it sounds like a nightmare. Anyone remember IE6 on Mac?

Re:please please no (1)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263126)

No, cause it doesn't exist. IE stopped at version 5.5 for Mac.

Re:please please no (2, Informative)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263162)

And IE 5.5 for Mac wasn't the same as IE 5.5 for Windows. jDeepbeep was wrong about the version, but he's right about the developer nightmare point.

How About HP/UX and Solaris? (1)

xquercus (801916) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263552)

Anyone remember IE6 on Mac?

Hey, I remember IE on HP/UX...

IE turns 15... (1, Funny)

eexaa (1252378) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262580)

...kindof post-mortem...

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Interesting)

aradnik (1831756) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262610)

don't be so fast to kill it, it's improved quite a bit recently... it's not like there's that much software around used in it's original form from 15 years ago...

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Interesting)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262682)

The upcoming version won't work on Windows XP - which is still very very popular.

Its like they're not even trying...

Re:IE turns 15... (1, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262734)

Windows XP is coming up to a decade old itself - its been replaced twice over, there is no commercial reason why Microsoft should continue to support it with new features.

Re:IE turns 15... (1, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262758)

Windows XP is coming up to a decade old itself - its been replaced twice over, there is no commercial reason why Microsoft should continue to support it with new features.

Perhaps not, but most people are still using XP, hardly anybody has moved to Vista or Windows 7. Not having new versions of IE isn't going to stop people from using XP, they'll just use FIrefox or IE6 instead.

Re:IE turns 15... (3, Informative)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262902)

Perhaps not, but most people are still using XP, hardly anybody has moved to Vista or Windows 7.

I would agree that "hardly anyone" might apply to Vista, but it most certainly does not apply to Windows 7.

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Interesting)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263054)

The only reason I bought Windows 7 Pro 64-bit was to feed my gaming addiction with support over 4GB of RAM and presumably being the next majorly supported platform. It was the least amount I could give to Microsoft to legally continue my habit (the XBox is over twice as much, and they get licensing fees, etc.) I only use it for a game PC and all the rest of my life is in Debian. I wish they'd sell a Windows, Gamer Edition that doesn't have the movie maker and all the other crap I'll never use. I'm still finding things that I need to remove that seem to be put in only to annoy the living shit out of me.

So while I "bought" it, I wouldn't consider the stripped hulk of what I now call Windows 7 something I "use".

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263330)

Didn't Windows 7 remove all the extra junk (DVD maker, moviemaker, etc.) and make them download only?

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Informative)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263058)

I would agree that "hardly anyone" might apply to Vista, but it most certainly does not apply to Windows 7.

Why not? Windows 7 users are still a definite minority.

Re:IE turns 15... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263198)

I would agree that "hardly anyone" might apply to Vista, but it most certainly does not apply to Windows 7.

Why not? Windows 7 users are still a definite minority.

A minority among Windows users, sure. "hardly anyone", not so sure. There are currently just over twice as many XP users as Win7+Vista users, with the balance changing rapidly from XP to Windows 7.

There are btw already over 3 times as many users of Windows 7 as users of all Mac OS X versions combined.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10 [hitslink.com]

Re:IE turns 15... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263234)

A more important minority at that. XP users consist mainly of ancient machines from the early 2000 era used only for e-mail purposes by the elderly or uncaring. It doesn't concern them if IE9 isn't backported to XP. Windows will always have to deal with or ignore the Windows 98-type users that plagued XP.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263146)

IE8 works fine on XP. Why would people continue to use IE6? In fact, the last time I used Windows, I had to admit that IE8 was almost a decent browser. It has tabs, and all sorts of things that all the other browsers have had forever. In fact, IE7 isn't terrible.

To be perfectly honest, I HATE IE, but I don't let my personal preferences blind me to the fact that IE has been improving for about - oh - is it three years now?

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Informative)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263624)

Why would people continue to use IE6?

In a large number of cases, because its a corporate machine where the corporation has a critical webapp that breaks when you try to run it on anything other than IE6. There's a LOT corporations out there like that.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

SirMasterboy (872152) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263176)

Hardly anyone has upgraded? I don't even think I know anybody personally that hasn't upgraded from XP to Vista or 7 by now. Even the entire IT department at work is now running on 7 and all the servers are running Server 08 R2. Also, the college I graduated from last Spring is imaging all the mandatory leased student laptops with Windows 7 this year by default.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

berwiki (989827) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263218)

I don't know where you get your statistics from, but a quick google search of 'OS Statistics' yields this page: clicky [w3schools.com]
Please explain what you consider 'hardly anybody'. Because I consider 31.5% (win7 + vista) of all computers on the web a significant portion.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262824)

The problem is that with the advent of netbooks (and now tablets?) its less about having a lot of power, and a lot about portability. So for many people its more worth it to use the 'more lightweight' XP instead of Windows 7. Speaking about myself, I dual boot XP with Ubuntu - I have a copy of Windows 7 but I am not even considering installing it.

So I think by moving off XP and attempting to extinguish it - microsoft is losing on the 'netbook' market.

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Informative)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262926)

On an Atom 330 with nVidia's ION, Windows 7 is more than usable.

Re:IE turns 15... (5, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262918)

It does not matter when the first copy of XP was sold, it matters when the last copy was sold. You cannot drop support for something that you sold a few months ago just because it has been on sale for 8 years and there are two newer versions.

Re:IE turns 15... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263094)

You don't seem to understand what support means. XP support has not been dropped. Development for XP has largely stopped as it's a dead end. It should have come years sooner, as frankly all you technological bygones are like the trash that holds everyone else back. Hardware and software advance, sometimes irreversibly... get over it.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263764)

But they aren't dropping support - they aren't releasing new apps for it, but that is *not* the same as dropping support. If you buy a new car today that was first released as a model 5 years ago, are you entitled to have access to the features Ford has on newer models? No, you have the option of buying a new model and not the dated model.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263396)

I still use XP and have zero problems with it. I don't understand people who say it's "unusable" unless it's because they are looking for T&A..... ooops I mean special effects. I always turn that trash off, because it slows down the responsiveness of the computer and really serves no purpose. As for support: Microsoft has no choice - businesses demand long term support for their products.
.

>>>>>IE's improved quite a bit recently...

Does it have a built-in dictionary to redline my mis-spelled typos? Does it allow addons like WOT or NoScript? Does it have anything like Opera Turbo for slow dialup/wireless connections, or Opera Link to store bookmarks online and unify all your favorites across the Desktop, Laptop, and Cellphone? Does it have a built-in newsgroup and email client like seaMonkey has? Does IE have any compelling reason for my going back to it?

TRIVIA: Other ancient browsers for home PCs:

17 years - Mosaic on the Commodore Amiga (April 1993)
17 years - Cello for IBM PC (June 1993)
16 years - DOSlynx for IBM PC (April 1994)

16 years - iBrowse for Commodore Amiga (May 1994)
16 years - WebExplorer for OS/2 IBM PC (October 1994)
16 years - Netscape in December 1994 (succeeded by Mozilla/seaMonkey)

Re:IE turns 15... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262930)

IIRC D2D depends on D3D9Ex/D3D10.1, so it's not like the IE team can do anything. Why introduce a separate GDI+ codepath when it's used only by old XP machines? IE would just be more complex & buggy because it's harder to maintain.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263114)

And, did you notice that ext4 wont work with old Linux kernels either? It's like Linus isn't even trying either. [/sarcasm]

Get over yourself. XP was a great system, and it ran a long long race. It's time to lay it aside now. Upgrade to Ubuntu or something. If you're still in love with Bill Gate's version of bling, upgrade to Win7. It's a decent operating system, after all.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263510)

I don't have any major problems with Windows 7, well other than the UI changes from XP, but I also see no point in formatting a drive with a working OS on it that is still good enough for me and installing a different OS, and then reinstalling all of my programs, some of which may not work with the new OS. And all of that for what? Pretty graphics (Aero) that will be turned off right after Autorun?

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263586)

Fair enough - if your OS works, don't upgrade. But, I'm a masochist, I guess. I upgrade and downgrade all the time. Or, maybe I'm just 'tarded, and I enjoy watching the progress counters telling me how soon my new (or old) OS will be ready to run. ;^)

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263746)

I used to be like that some time ago. Then I started reinstalling Windows only if I absolutely could not get the old installation to work, because reinstalling all of the programs takes a long time and makes the PC semi-unusable (oh, I know, I'll just use program X here, wait, last time I used it was a year ago, before the reinstall, now where is that setup file...).

I can play with different OSs on virtual machines and an unused PC that I have (now it has Windows 98 installed, because I wanted to play System Shock 2).

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262934)

it's improved quite a bit recently..

It may have improved quite a bit, but it's still one big steaming pile.

IE8 still lacks in so many ways as its older siblings did and adds new problems to the mix. I do not want it and especially do not want to develop for it.

Re:IE turns 15... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262614)

Considering it still has about a 60% market share, it's a bit of a stretch to call IE 'dead'.

Re:IE turns 15... (1, Funny)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262630)

...kindof post-mortem...

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Internet Explorer... er... Mark Twain

Re:IE turns 15... (0)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262786)

...kindof post-mortem...

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Internet Explorer... er... Mark Twain

Everybody knows Mark Twain ripped off Jean-Luc.

Re:IE turns 15... (5, Funny)

bondsbw (888959) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262686)

History of IE:
  • Cool... we can go to web pages!
  • Eh, I like Netscape better.
  • But wait... we can theme IE!
  • Microsoft sucks! Down with IE!
  • Oooh... so yeah, I hate to say this since I hate Microsoft, but Netscape really sucks... they haven't upgraded it in like 5 years. And it's owned by AOL, the other enemy. Guess I have to go with IE...
  • IE hasn't been upgraded in like 5 years... we need something new.
  • *From heaven* "BEHOLD, FIREFOX!"
  • Microsoft: Oh crap, you mean we have to put out a new version of IE? Do we still have developers around?
  • Apple: Let's take a Safari...
  • Google: Hey, me too!
  • Opera: Ok guys, we'll make it free... we get it.
  • Opera: HELLO!!?!? Anybody there?

Safari was out before Firefox. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262920)

Safari was out before Firefox.

Re:Safari was out before Firefox. (2, Informative)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263042)

Actually, the first public beta of Safari was January 7th 2003 according to Wikipedia. The first public point release of Firefox (or rather, Phoenix as it was called at the time before the great renaming controversy) was Phoenix 0.1 which was released in September 2002. So Firefox/Phoenix preceded Safari by about 3-4 months.

Firefox came out with many very usable, relatively stable point releases that I was using as my regular web browser long before it was at 1.0 (it is certainly true that Safari 1.0 preceded Firefox 1.0 by several years, but you know how open source projects are about labeling something "1.0"). In particular, by the 0.6/0.7 releases in late 2003, it was the default browser in some Linux distributions, and my regular web browser for daily use.

Re:Safari was out before Firefox. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263194)

Point releases? I'm slightly baffled. I joined the Firefox club around milestone .5 or so, and I was on the edge of my seat waiting for each new milestone. Did I simply allow some of the jargon to fly over my head?

Re:Safari was out before Firefox. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263816)

>>>Firefox came out with many very usable, relatively stable point releases that I was using as my regular web browser long before it was at 1.0

Well I was using Netscape 6 which was using the Mozilla 0.6 core, and it was faaar from stable. It rendered everything well, but was prone to random crashes. The core was then updated to Mozilla 0.9, and it improved but still not ready. I can't imagine that Firefox with the 0.6 or 0.9 cores would be any better.

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262966)

Pretty accurate - and that's from a long-term Opera user.

Shame that Opera sees such little take-up. It has 99% of the functionality of the common addons for Firefox already built-in (and has for years), it is a damn sight faster on low-end machines than Firefox, it's cross-platform, it's got a built-in mail client that is more than good enough for the average joe (with super-fast searching for EVERYTHING), and it's normally first with any innovation (WebM, Acid-compliance, HTML5, etc.) - hell, for the last version they discovered myriad websites with a common javascript bug that preventing them providing a 10.x version number in the user-agent, so they had to stick with 9.8 and some extra gumfph elsewhere to tell you the real version number. No other browser's spotted that yet.

If someone could tie Pidgin into Opera, I'd never need another bit of software again.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263258)

Actually, my freind, I read an article today that suggests Opera should NOT be used on low-end machines. It's a memory hog, without decent memory management. Lemme find that link - - - - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/opera-chrome-firefox,2689.html [tomshardware.com]

Opera has a lot of good things going for it, but compatibility with low end machines and low memory isn't one of them.

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263682)

>>Opera should NOT be used on low-end machines.

That's been my experience. Opera X 10.0 was okay, but something went wrong with 10.5. When I'm running it, Opera uses more memory than Firefox 3.5 on my Windows PC. I've also noticed an annoying Opera habit where it loads 99% of the page and then never finished, especially on pages with lots of scripts.

Still better than IE. Oh and here's the direct link to the memory usage of each browser: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/opera-chrome-firefox,2689-10.html [tomshardware.com]

Re:IE turns 15... (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263558)

>>>Cool... we can go to web pages!
>>>Eh, I like Netscape better.

Funny but not entirely accurate. Mosaic was the #1 browser of the day (1993-94), followed by Netscape which maintained its #1 spot until 1999 when Microsoft finally surpassed them.

Here's my own personal history:
- Mosaic for Amiga 500 (1993)
- Awesome. It's like a BBS but worldwide. Or Usenet with pictures. Wish I had something faster than a 2 kbit/s modem.
-
- Netscape? No I'm sticking with Mosaic.
- What's that? Netscape was written by the Mosaic guys? Okay I'll try it.
- Microsoft has a web browser? Hahahahaha.
-
- Mozilla Netscape 6 - wow this is pretty bad, but IE 5 sucks worse.
- Mozilla Firefox 1.0 - yay! And of course IE6 is still the suck.
- Whaddya mean I "have" to use IE at work? Why won't you let me install Firefox? Frak. (I have tried every IE ever released but the only one I ever used was IE6, and only because the boss forces me to.)

TRIVIA: Other ancient browsers for home PCs:

17 years - Mosaic on the Commodore Amiga (April 1993)
17 years - Cello for IBM PC (June 1993)
16 years - DOSlynx for IBM PC (April 1994)

16 years - iBrowse for Commodore Amiga (May 1994)
16 years - IBMwebExplorer for OS/2 PC (October 1994)
16 years - Netscape in December 1994 (succeeded by Mozilla/seaMonkey)

Re:IE turns 15... (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262858)

Elvis didn't die on this date either

Re:IE turns 15... (2, Funny)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262948)

He was also much older and much thinner than IE...

and (0, Flamebait)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262594)

and no body cared.

Re:and (1)

aradnik (1831756) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262632)

just because we weren't invited to the party, doesn't mean there wasn't one... ;(

Re:and (2, Interesting)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262644)

yeah, pretty much. I think everyone who uses IE doesn't know they're using IE, and if they do, they probably don't care about how old it is. Everyone else doesn't use it. But think about it this way -- its not that IE is turning 15, its that the Browser Wars started about 15 years ago, and despite some lull in the middle, seem to be just as heated and relevant as ever.

The only thing that's really changed in 15 years is that Netscape faded into the shadows and went guerrilla as Mozilla, and Microsoft's attempts to wage conventional war against it just ended up providing Mozilla with more ammunition. Its now stronger than ever.

Like Vietnam, only lamer.

Nice and legal in ... (2, Funny)

longhairedgnome (610579) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262600)

Thailand! Look out boys, Microsoft will be out on the town soon!

Re:Nice and legal in ... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262634)

Careful, it can spread viruses like crazy.

Re:Nice and legal in ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262896)

Perfectly legal in Sweden as well. Just as good, blonde and lower risk of STDs...

Antitrust (2, Interesting)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263158)

Even after 15 years, illegally tying MSIE to Windows [europa.eu] is still happening. This anti-competitive [justice.gov] activity has hurt standards, hurt competition, hurt the economy and held back the net.

There is even a form to report ongoing anti-trust violations [europa.eu] , there are so many.

If M$ executives and employees would have ditched MSIE if security or performance were an issue. Opera [opera.com] and even Safari [apple.com] are far and above superior, if closed source is an obligation. Keeping MSIE in place AND keeping pieces of it throughout the OS show that there is no intention of MSIE being there to benefit the end-user in anyway. If we add up the cost over 15 years of all the MSIE malware in one column we will have an astronomical sum. If we then total the combined costs of all Opera, Netscape, Cameleon, Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, and Konqueror malware in another column and subtract that total of non-MSIE costs from the MSIE costs, we will still have an astronomical sum. Based on quarterly malware damage, the sum is probably in the range of 100's to 10's of thousands of billions of dollars. The Apollo program to the moon itself only cost 25 billion and we got integrated circuits out of that. Even for the unrealistically low sum of 1 billion dollars, what kind of rocking Free Software distro, applications or infrastructure could have been created? Even building a full distro from scratch [dwheeler.com] we could have a full kernel, drivers, utilities, desktop, services, and applications for less.

You can put a stop to this and advance technology, economy and security by not feeding the Windows monopoly any more market share. Tagging this one as "antitrust [justice.gov] ".

Re:Antitrust (1)

LinuxAndLube (1526389) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263294)

+1 for writing MS as M$. I thought that meme had died out.

Re:Antitrust (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263608)

Wow, put down the bong dude.

MS is not 'out to get you'. Putting IE into the system makes sense since for 3 reasons. 1) they have a doc system built in for helping users no reason to have 2 systems (die .hlp files die). 2) it was going to be a bases for presenting all information to users, icons, desktop, everything (never was going to happen due to backwards compatibility). 3) EVERYONE and I mean everyone who actually likes and uses Windows at the time was demanding it. We were getting tired of install OS spend 2 hours installing everything else for the OS. We wanted 1 disc streamlined install. No building our own. We wanted it out of the box from MS streamlined and ready to rock. It just worked. If you think I am full of it go find magazines from that era. Not stupid junk you find on the internet. I mean things like PC World, ComputerShopper, etc... You will see article after article begging MS to put it in, or how they are missing the internet...

Not having it there would be like downloading say Ubuntu and then spending 20 mins figuring out which ftp site to go to to install a browser. Not even going to the repository to get it (remember its not built in). No that is silly, there is one built in even if it is one you 'dont like'. Web browsers come with the OS. Think you need to deal with it. Every OS since 1994 has had one cooked in even if it is some open source thing. If anything MS was late to the party (as usual) by not having one built in until 96.

The reason MS did it was because we were laughing at them for NOT doing it. It was a pain to have to install even more crap. Now it is install it let the patches update and your ready to rock. No, oh install that, install this, hmm did I get all the plug ins...

Whole install OS's have their place and the mainstream want it. They are the ones with the money. We tech guys are able and willing to tweak the hell out of a computer. But guess what most people dont want to be bothered with it. They want to buy their computer and surf the web. Thats it... If they have to stop and install extra stuff right when they first get their computer they are going to say 'this sucks'. And it will not suck because the software is junk, but because installing software is boring and not doing what they want it to do.

You ask how many hours were wasted because of IE not being kept up to date. I ask how many would have been wasted on 'hmm did I get everything installed I wanted'. Or 'how do I install this?'

Also apparently you never used Netscape 4. *THE* only other browser from the time that anyone could say competed with IE. It was a massive suck crash fest. 3-4 crashes per surfing session were not uncommon. Using IE was seriously a no brainier at the time. Do I still use IE, no. Why not? It stagnated and became a trojan magnet.

IE could have been the best browser out there. Now it is merely playing catchup. That was MS's game to loose. They will have a hard time getting the 'best browser' reputation back if ever.

Re:Antitrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263648)

Microsoft should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their products. If you do not like it do not use them. Use Apple. Use Linux. Use BSD. Use Haiku.

Do not blame Microsoft for not pushing the browser envelop when they had no competition for years. You have choices you can do what you want. I am really sick and tired of hearing this same damn thing over and over again. I am glad IE comes with every install of Windows. It is much easier to tell friends to open up Internet Explorer and so they can find a different browser. Then it is to teach someone to use WGET or FTP from command line to get a browser.

I hate Apple but I would never ever ever tell them what they can put into their OS. It is their product and should always be their own choice. So quit blaming Microsoft and start blaming the ignorant users who use them. Blame the companies that support them. Blame their competitors for not beating them.

The Future (1, Funny)

Reilaos (1544173) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262602)

Has Internet Explorer thought hard about what it wants to do with its life? It's very nearly all grown up, isn't it time to think about college?

Re:The Future (0, Troll)

halfEvilTech (1171369) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262640)

nah its to busy trying to find a job so it can afford their first car next year.

Re:The Future (4, Funny)

aradnik (1831756) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262648)

do you remember what it was like being 15? i bet ie's plotting to get opera in bed or something :)

Re:The Future (2, Funny)

aradnik (1831756) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262668)

oh man i'm getting old... shoudl've been "plotting on operas, firefoxes and chromes asses"... this way it'd be insightful at least...

Re:The Future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262950)

Opera's too mature for that and too busy writing her Ph.D (which she knows everyone will eventually copy without crediting her for it). In bed with IE? Nah, IE isn't even good enough to copy all of Opera's inovations!

Re:The Future (0)

paiute (550198) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263038)

Has Internet Explorer thought hard about what it wants to do with its life? It's very nearly all grown up, isn't it time to think about college?

It told Bill that it would really like to go and find its real father.

Happy birthday IE. (1)

euyis (1521257) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262628)

Despite your countless security holes, bad implementations of web standards and all these bad browser-dependent HTML codes caused by you, you really gave all these laymen in the world a simple way to explore the Internet. And glad to see that you're improving.

Re:Happy birthday IE. (2, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262886)

So many thanks for the billions of wasted man-hours that were spent on supporting your badly implemented standards and attempts at world dominance.
Oh, how is silverlight doing, by the way ?

Re:Happy birthday IE. (2, Informative)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262936)

Despite your countless security holes, bad implementations of web standards and all these bad browser-dependent HTML codes caused by you, you really gave all these laymen in the world a simple way to explore the Internet. And glad to see that you're improving...

... while still dragging your feet on standards, fixing security holes and implementing more browser dependent code. Um... Yay???

Mid 90's (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262638)

Whatever. We all know that Netscape Navigator was king back in the mid-90s.

Re:Mid 90's (1)

halfEvilTech (1171369) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262676)

yes but we all not what happened to Netscape. We can only pray IE suffers the safe fate.

Re:Mid 90's (3, Funny)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262706)

yes but we all not what happened to Netscape. We can only pray IE suffers the safe fate.

That it gets abandoned, and a team of open source coders picks it up?

Re:Mid 90's (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262732)

yes but we all not what happened to Netscape. We can only pray IE suffers the safe fate.

That it gets abandoned, and a team of open source coders picks it up?

And greatly improves it, and uses it as a wedge to prod other browser developers into developing faster/more open/more extensible/more standards-compliant products?

Yeah. that's what I'd like. Pipe dream maybe, but it would be nice.

Re:Mid 90's (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263360)

Heh. Now there's a really pleasant picture. MS abandons IE, makes it open source, and some weekend warriors recode it into something TOTALLY AWESOME!! Someone who has actually decompiled IE should weigh in, and tell us if there's anything of value hidden in all the garbage.

Is there a line like, "If not Microsoft OS, reformat drive!"

Memories (3, Interesting)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262680)

I remember being a college student back in 1993 running Mosaic and Pine from our university's Unix architecture. Ah, those were the days!

Spyglass got pwned! (4, Interesting)

Henriok (6762) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262684)

Microsoft licensed Mosaic under the promise of paying Spyglass royalties based on revenue. But then MS released it for free and Spyglass got nothing. This must be one of Microsoft's finest deals.

Re:Spyglass got pwned! (3, Informative)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262752)

I thought that was only for the Win3.1 and Mac versions? I could be wrong, but I do know that the deals were different between the 95 version and the 3.1 and Mac versions...

Re:Spyglass got pwned! (4, Interesting)

MojoRilla (591502) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262916)

They kissed and made up in the end (at least Spyglass got $8 million), according to this article [windowsitpro.com] .

Re:Spyglass got pwned! (1)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263404)

A startup that I worked for hired a new CFO, apparently based on the fact that he had been CFO of Spyglass. Apparently, noone had heard this story yet....

At one point, just before we went under, he was being paid some ludicrous amount of money to drive his company car to CostCo to pick up cases of soda for our "free soda" fridge, as a cost-cutting measure.

What's changed in the past 15 years? (0)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262726)

Aside from stability and security fixes, what's really changed in web browser technology over this span of time?

I mean, sure, tabs are awesome. But has there really been anything else over the past 15 years that has merited us being up to IE version 8 and talking about the beta of IE 9? How is the web browser not a solved problem yet?

(I'm sure there's more than just tabs. But there's no better way to get a topic going than to ask a provocative question based on a somewhat flawed premise.)

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262748)

How could you overlook what are perhaps the two most important development in web browser technology of the last fifteen years?

I speak, of course, of the "blink" and "marquee" tags being forever consigned to the bin of appallingly bad taste.

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262906)

And don't forget all the fun we had with ActiveX controls in web pages!

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262788)

The way worms and trojans are delivered to us!

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262792)

Yeah and aside from incremental performance and prediction tricks what are the CPUs doing these days besides using 0s and 1s on the system bus to map 8086 compatible instructions to their internal micro-architecture language?

Yawn..

Ontopic, I wonder when Firefox is going to catch up to IE and Chrome's multi-process low-integrity sandbox architecture. Its funny how Firefox has had several times the vulnerabilities of IE in recent times.

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262938)

Various revisions of CSS and Javascript, as well as HTML5 in the newest browsers.

Although I'm ambivalent about the whole 'browser as a surrogate OS' direction that we seem to be taking, there are a few web apps that I consider essential to my day-to-day use (Google maps is perhaps the best example). You just couldn't have achieved that kind of responsive interface with older tech.

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (2, Interesting)

Deag (250823) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262976)

I believe the earliest versions of these browsers didn't even have any CSS support.

Even now all browsers don't fully implement standards - there is still a lot of red on this chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(Cascading_Style_Sheets) [wikipedia.org]

So a bit to go to the solved problem.

Re:What's changed in the past 15 years? (1)

elashish14 (1302231) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263018)

Speed

15 in Dog years (-1, Flamebait)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262772)

Like most 15 year old dogs, IE is slower and more prone to disease than younger browsers.

However it is not due to be put down anytime soon.

It's hard to believe... (4, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#33262876)

that there was a time when people actually fled in droves to IE the way they are switching to Firefox and Chrome.

Anyone who wonders why IE 6 became the de facto standard just needs to find a download of Netscape Communicator.

Re:It's hard to believe... (3, Interesting)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263178)

Hehe, yup. Netscape 4 is FAR, FAR worse than IE 4 on its worst day. I still remember it and honestly I was more glad of its demise from the support list than I will be of IE 6's. IE 6 isn't a bad browser in and of itself, it just was allowed to stay around too long as Microsoft rested on their laurels. If IE 7 had come out in 2003 or 2004 no one would be complaining about IE in general or IE 6 in particular.

Re:It's hard to believe... (4, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263236)

The problem with IE6 is not that it was bad but that people wrote ActiveX applications for it and those applications are still needed.

The problem now is that many organizations have clueless IT departments that do not know how to deploy those old applications via Terminal Services and instead insist that desktop machines stick with IE6.

Re:It's hard to believe... (4, Insightful)

colmore (56499) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263424)

The problem with IE6 is that it doesn't render CSS properly, has ugly javascript quirks, and is STILL FUCKING USED BY 30% OF THE DAMN INTERNET.

And yes, I am a web developer.

Re:It's hard to believe... (3, Interesting)

devent (1627873) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263516)

Anyone who wonders why IE 6 became the de facto standard just needs to find a download of Netscape Communicator.

I don't get it. IE became the defacto standard because it was pre-installed on MS Windows. And MS Windows became the defactor standard because it comes with every computer pre-installed.

If, back then, the Netscape Communicator were pre-installed, the Netscape Communicator would have been the defacto standard. But Netscape didn't own an operation system. Yes, it's nice to have an operation system which with you can bundle stuff. It's good that besides ActiveX MS didn't really done anything with the IE. At least we are not living like in South Korea where you need to have IE with ActiveX to do any online banking.

What exactly did MS anyway with the 90% market share of IE? I can't remember any technology that was really needed back then. I think they were just happy to have the market share. Right now I can't see anything that the dominance of IE have left us.

More importantly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262880)

... Debian turned 16 today.Gosh, I thought people on /. cared more about things that have actually made an impact to the world of computing than IE.

In dog years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33262894)

It'd be time to have it put down.

mod 0P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263140)

metadiscussions Apple too. No, (7000+1400+700)*4 Is the Aworst *off

PNG too (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33263272)

PNG is also about 14 or 15 years old, but IE still cannot handle its color correction chunks (gAMA, iCCP) properly:
http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/png-gammatest.html [libpng.org]

Get off my lawn you damn kids (2, Interesting)

q2k (67077) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263680)

I still have the 'I downloaded Internet Explorer" Tshirt that MS sent me for being one of the first 10,000 people to download IE 3, on Oct 31, 1996, IIRC.

IE's find dialog (1)

Peaker (72084) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263776)

1990's called, they want IE's find dialog back.

Evil Has a Birthday (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 4 years ago | (#33263788)

August 16, 1990

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