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Controversy Arises Over Taliban Option In Medal of Honor

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the yes-this-again dept.

Censorship 671

eldavojohn writes "CVG is covering the controversy surrounding players' ability to play as a member of the Taliban in EA's Medal of Honor multiplayer. Fox News hopped on the wagon, interviewing a Gold Star mom whose son died in Iraq. She said, 'My son didn't get to start over when he was killed. His life was over and I had to deal with that every day. There's 1200 families from Afghanistan that have to live with this every day. And we live it — it's not a game... EA is very cavalier about it: "Well, it's just a game." But it isn't a game to the people who are suffering from the loss of the children and loved ones.' EA's response to this criticism of giving players the objective to 'gun down American troops' was this: 'Medal Of Honor is set in today's war, putting players in the boots of today's soldier... We give gamers the opportunity to play both sides. Most of us have been doing this since we were seven. If someone's the cop, someone's got to be the robber, someone's got to be the pirate, somebody's got to be the alien. In Medal Of Honor multiplayer, someone has to be the Taliban.' Of course the story recalls Six Days in Fallujah, which was dropped by Konami following similar controversy. It's clear at least a few people take issue with games surrounding modern conflicts."

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Hypocrisy Isn't Free (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268182)

She said, 'My son didn't get to start over when he was killed. His life was over and I had to deal with that every day. There's 1200 families from Afghanistan that have to live with this every day. And we live it -- it's not a game..

That's funny, I hear that's what the people on the other side said too, except possibly in another language.

Last I heard, American soldiers were supposed to be fighting to preserve a way of life, a way which includes freedom of expression.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268204)

Mod parent down. I know this family, and it is highly insensitive of you to put it this way.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268238)

Way to miss the fucking point!

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (2, Interesting)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268308)

Unfortunately the GP didn't exercise his freedom to express himself with certain punctuation. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268462)

I wonder if people here think the guys who killed her son should be shot. If you do, this person most likely killed other people in the war. Doesn't that kind of mean that he should had been shot like he was?

It's funny how people can never see the other side of the war and understand that they are people just like you too.

Besides, US companies have made hundreds of games where the "bad guys" are always the other side. It's refreshing to get to kill some americans too.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268256)

It's okay. drinkypoo is a known troll. He sometimes posts a good argument and then starts replying contradicting arguments and spews flamebait to try to get more responses under his thread. Once his thread has been replied to frequently, he is modded up as the parent/originator. Nice, cheap way to get a karma boost. Check his post frequency. You would think that he doesn't have anything else to do but troll Slashdot.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0, Offtopic)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268438)

It's okay. drinkypoo is a known troll. He sometimes posts a good argument and then starts replying contradicting arguments and spews flamebait to try to get more responses under his thread. Once his thread has been replied to frequently, he is modded up as the parent/originator. Nice, cheap way to get a karma boost. Check his post frequency. You would think that he doesn't have anything else to do but troll Slashdot.

If we're going to have trolls they may as well be good at it. Beats the hell out of GNAA crapflooding.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268524)

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Slink around, shuffling your feet and bobbing your neck like the lazy retard you are.
Walk down the middle of the street because you don't know what a sidewalk is for.
Hang out at carwashes and mini-marts because everybody knows these are the best places to be a dope, I mean dope.
If you're a nigger bitch, shit three nigger babies into the world before 17 years of age. This assures that welfare money will support you, so your nigger men have more time to commit crimes.
And give REAL honest black people a bad name.
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Bastardize the English language in the name of nigger culture.
Make sure that several terms have multiple meanings and others have ambiguous meanings and that only 50% of nigger words are even complete words. Real niggers will know what you're trying to say.
As a culture, make sure there are always more blacks in prison than in college at any given time.
Hang out in packs of 10 to 15 and make sure everyone acts as annoying as possible. This helps to promote nigger individuality.
Always talk loud enough so everyone in the 'hood can fucking hear you, and if they are niggers, they will know what your saying, bro.
Wear clothes that are 10 sizes too big, making sure the pants hang off your ass.
Park at least 5 junk cars in your yard while being careful not to use the driveway. It's OK to abandon them in the street as long as it's in front of someone else's crib.
Exaggerate every motion, every tonal inflection and grab your dick a lot.
Do drugs, sell drugs, make drugs. Okay, don't REALLY do this, but it IS what niggers do.
Turn your backyard into a junk yard. If you don't have a backyard, turn your mother's into a junk yard.
Travel around leaching off relatives, friends, salvation armies.
Drink cheap wine and malt liquor every day, forgetting that "malt liquor" is just fortified cheap beer.
If you're a nigger buck: fuck anything that moves, no matter how ugly she is. After two 40oz, even the ugliest, fattest nigger bitch will look good.
Be charitable and covet fat, ugly white chicks. After all, they're niggers too. They can't help being so undesirable to white men that they have to fraternize with black dudes on a 20/20 trip. And white ho's are a special trophy too, especially the not so ugly ones.
Spray paint everything in sight with scribbles that mean nothing to white people but mean things to fellow niggers (except niggers from another hood who will probably go after you for tresspassing on their turf).
Use the term "motherfucker" in every sentence. It's one of the most versatile words in the nigger language, being a noun, verb, adjective and complete mini-sentence in event you run out of thoughts.
Stop in the middle of the street, blocking all traffic to converse with fellow niggers and have complete disregard for everyone else.
Overcharge customers at Taco Bell and pocket the difference.
Drive your car while slouched so low that you can barely see over the wheel (gangsta drivin').
Get a job under affirmative action. Then sit around all day pretending that you earned the position and that the other co-workers respect you. Whenever you fuck up, scream "racism!" & hope you get enough Generation X liberals in the jury.
Never, I mean NEVER, take any responsibility for your actions. Always blame others including Asians, Latinos, Mexicans, and especially Whites for your sorry ass stupid lives.
Be sure to get a dog, tie it up in the cold and mud and neglect it until it dies. Then start all over again. Cash must be used because you long ago fucked up your credit and checking account.
Cram 5 generations into a two room government apartment and still be able to neglect your kids.
Then you too can be a true nigger, and anyone who finds any fault with anything you do is automatically a racist. They don't dislike what you do and wish you would do something better with your life, nor do they wish you would realize that other people exist and should be treated with respect. No, they're just racists who hate you because of the color of your skin, and everything bad in your life is their fault. You nigger.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268260)

Sorry, there isn't a moderation option for "-1, This Post Made Somebody Butthurt".

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268272)

Mod parent down. I know this family, and it is highly insensitive of you to put it this way.

Mod this parent down. I know families of Afghan citizens killed in the war, and it is highly insensitive of you to be sensitive about the OP's remarks.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (2, Funny)

OrangeCatholic (1495411) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268282)

They should make Bionic Commando 2-player, so you can play the side that resurrects Hitler.

I bet that albatross makes a sweet UAV as well.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268288)

Irrelevant. He should have know the risk when he started to work as a soldier.
Should we stop making games/movies/etc. containing firemen/policemen/etc. because those people also died in their line of duty?

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (4, Insightful)

xMilkmanDanx (866344) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268310)

There isn't a mod -1 insensitive option.

And he does have a point, just because we don't hear the other side doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anytime you're dealing with a 'modern' conflict (as in the events are still fresh) you're going to be stepping on people's losses.

I do question the wisdom in choosing a real and current conflict as a game setting. An even slightly fictionalized setting, would do much to reduce this negative association.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (4, Insightful)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268340)

Sorry, does the idea that people on the other side have families that grief the loss of their loved ones make you uncomfortable?

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268612)

Mod parent down. I know this family, and it is highly insensitive of you to put it this way.

I think he actually made a good point. People may think this game is shit but it's just as much their right to complain about it as it is someone else's to make it or play it. That's freedom, isn't it?

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268220)

...preserve a way of life, a way which includes freedom of expression.

The US is not alone in this, but freedom of expression is pretty much a myth these days.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268408)

"These days", huh? Well, if you could go back to whatever previous "days" you imagine as the time when freedom of expression wasn't a myth, you'd find that it too was chock full of people like you smugly declaring that "freedom of expression is pretty much a myth these days". They were as wrong then as you are now.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (-1, Troll)

caffeinemessiah (918089) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268232)

Last I heard, American soldiers were supposed to be fighting to preserve a way of life, a way which includes freedom of expression.

Except this has absolutely nothing to do with freedom, but rather good taste and a little sensitivity towards their target market (unless they're planning on selling this game in Afghanistan).

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268270)

So I guess that in all WW2 games sold in Germany, we play the Nazis?
Oh I forgot, what you said is only good with the center of the world: the USA.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1, Interesting)

easterberry (1826250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268534)

You can't sell a game with Nazis in it in Germany. It's illegal.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0, Flamebait)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268354)

Except this has absolutely nothing to do with freedom, but rather good taste and a little sensitivity

Funny, that's almost the exact argument about whether to allow the mosque to be built next to Ground Zero... and Obama came out and supported it.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1, Insightful)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268584)

Funny, that's almost the exact argument about whether to allow the mosque to be built next to Ground Zero... and Obama came out and supported it.

Even as someone who thinks Obama is the worst and least qualified President we've had in the last 100 years, I will correct that statement in his favor. He pointed out, quite correctly, that there is no LAW preventing them from building there, and that the Constitution (which he has shredded with his takeover of the health care system) gives them the right to practice their religion free of government control.

This is significantly different than "I support them building there." It's kinda like "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it."

I think it is arrogant and counterproductive to Islamic/US relations for them to build this symbol near ground zero, but the laws of this land say they can. That's what makes the US different than, e.g., Iran or just about any Islamic nation. I wonder what the world's reaction would be were Jews to build a huge synagogue on the site of the first Iranian nuclear reactor they bomb into smithereens. Or the liberal reaction had Bush said that the muslims have the right to build next to Ground Zero.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (3, Insightful)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268380)

Remember: It's not art unless someone is offended. If it offends no-one it is merely entertainment.

Or we could restrict game topics to pre-1900 conflicts in case there are some long-lived victims around.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268422)

Why are books and movies not held to this same standard? There are books, movies, and other media about Vietnam, 9/11, Desert Storm, Iraqi "Freedom", and the like, yet they are never held to this standard. Why is that? Why is it that games always have to be more sensitive and compassionate about their subject matter?

And I know this will sound douchy, but I'm going to say it anyway: Their child volunteered to go in to combat. They knew what they were getting in to, and if they didn't, they should be thanking the military for that. The people that they are fighting probably did not have quite the same freedom of choice in the matter and their side, however malevolent or benign, needs to be documented and told also; in any medium available. Because their child made a foolish decision does not grant them immunity from the rest of the world moving forward.

That all said, both of these wars are fucking stupid and have always been so. We should never have gone to Iraq in the first place and Afghanistan was clearly mismanaged and botched from the start, even if we did have even a glimmer of actual justification for being there. What an utterly pointless waste of lives on both sides.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

Barkenna (1856704) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268466)

Freedom in its truest sense doesn't bend to 'good taste' and 'sensitivity'. Freedom is saying 'Good' doesn't exist as far as taste goes. Taste is taste and we all have a different appetite. Freedom means being willing to accept what people are doing behind their closed doors in exchange for being allowed to do what you want behind closed doors. If you don't want to play as a Taliban insurgent, don't play as a Taliban insurgent. If you don't think that it's appropriate that it's an option, don't buy the game. You are free to buy/use and say whatever you want unless it's explicitly illegal. Don't like it? Start your own America.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (3, Insightful)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268520)

Only this has Everything to do with freedom. Censorship comes in many forms including self censorship and censorship by ridicule.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

jewishbaconzombies (1861376) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268242)

No no no - you're supposed to unflinchingly and without thinking "support the troops". They deserve your unearned respect under any and all circumstances.

Didn't you get the memo and your magnetic yellow ribbon? Check your brownshirt, perhaps it's in there.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268258)

This is nearly always the case, people forget that the fatalities are on both sides (and normally, the US contingent suffers but a fraction of the losses that the enemy suffers).

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268268)

The mother doesn't have freedom of expression? She can't express her opinion about the game? Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from criticism. In fact, people who act on their freedom of speech should expect others to act on theirs.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (2, Insightful)

Gilandune (1266114) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268458)

That does not explain why the game should be banned/censored, which, if i remember correctly, is the point of this discussion. We all agree that freedom of speech goes both ways but, one parties freedom of speech shouldnt be so much more important than the other one as to be able to censor it.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (2, Informative)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268602)

That does not explain why the game should be banned/censored, which, if i remember correctly, is the point of this discussion.

I don't think you remember correctly. None of the articles have mentioned the word "Ban" or "Censor" anywhere, and I haven't watched the video but I don't think the Mother did either.

In essence this is just a mother expressing her negative opinion towards games about modern warfare. I don't think anyone has taken any actions to try and get it to actually change though. It's not like EA is going to do a recall or anything.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268330)

I don't have any problem with this but I hope the simulation is realistic i.e as Taliban I want to be able to stone teenage girls to death, bury homosexuals alive, dynamite priceless historic monuments and beat people for listening to music. Are those options available?

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268496)

Americans have many times raped little girls and boys of their enemy in wars, but I still don't get to do that in games. Does that make the game unrealistic?

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0, Troll)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268586)

I guess it does if the goal is to simulate the war as realistically as possible. But there is a big difference. All the things I mentioned Taliban did deliberately as a matter of policy, not because of a lack of discipline among some soldiers (for which they are punished when caught).

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (5, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268560)

No, but you can't torture people in Gitmo either so in the end you just have to accept that you can't do everything both sides do.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268582)

Yes, in the same mod that allows US guards to strip down civilian Afghan prisoners and rape them, private contractors to be immune from prosecution in murder cases, US soliders rape Iraqi women and beat people simply for being Iraqi or Afghani.

 

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

Seismologist (617169) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268444)

She said, 'My son didn't get to start over when he was killed. His life was over and I had to deal with that every day. There's 1200 families from Afghanistan that have to live with this every day. And we live it -- it's not a game..

That's funny, I hear that's what the people on the other side said too, except possibly in another language.

Last I heard, American soldiers were supposed to be fighting to preserve a way of life, a way which includes freedom of expression.

Reminds of the saying :opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."

Same goes for movies, whaaa... , what about "the Green Zone", "the Hurt Lock" (over-hyped POS movie, btw), and all of the other movies about the current conflicts the US is/has engaged in. True, they are in the point of USA, but only since a movie in the freedom fighter’s, uh sorry, I meant terrorist’s point of view wouldn't make it pas inception stage with the studios because BS backlash like this.

Re:Hypocrisy Isn't Free (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268562)

True, they are in the point of USA, but only since a movie in the freedom fighter's, uh sorry, I meant terrorist's point of view wouldn't make it pas inception stage with the studios because BS backlash like this.

"All's Quiet on the Western Front" is the only one I can think of off the top of my head -- a 1930 film (based on a German novel) showing WWI from a German soldier's perspective.

Unless you count "Star Wars". I mean, clearly "Emperor Palpatine" is a rather thinly disguised Dick Cheney, and Tattoine is Afghanistan (Aldebaran, which we never see, is doubtless Iraq). That George Lucas, he was a real prophetic genius in those days.

The War Prayer (1)

Atmchicago (555403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268620)

That's funny, I hear that's what the people on the other side said too, except possibly in another language.

Mark Twain put it quite eloquently in The War Prayer [midwinter.com] .

Humans have always enacted war (3, Interesting)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268206)

Movies, books, children's (non-computer playing-in-the-yard) games even. We don't like (and thus the kids don't have) toy weapons in our family, and guess what? The pine cones are BOMBS! now...

Games are no different. Tasteful? No. But war never is.

Re:Humans have always enacted war (3, Insightful)

Soilworker (795251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268264)

Dear Mom,

You're currently destroying all the effort your son made fighting a threat to your freedom.

Thanks,
The talibans.

Mod parent down! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268426)

Stupid post. By saying, "the talibans," are you trying to make a "can I haz cheezburger?" statement? If so, you need to be smacked in the face for inane cutesieness.

If her son was alive today.... (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268214)

...he'd be playing war games (not necessarily on a computer) where he played the side of the Taliban.

Re:If her son was alive today.... (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268376)

...he'd be playing war games (not necessarily on a computer) where he played the side of the Taliban.

(citation needed)

uhh (4, Insightful)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268218)

Was there any outcry when Battlefield Viet Nam came out? Because you can totally frag G.I.s in that game, and there are plenty of Viet Nam vets still around.

Re:uhh (1)

Kepesk (1093871) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268298)

Yeahhhh... if you're going to send fake soldiers onto the fake battlefield, don't be surprised if some of them fake die.

Re:uhh (2, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268302)

No, but since the first Gulf War when they changed how reporters operate, pictures can be taken and statistics collected war has been sanitized of any moral ambiguity so much that people react to anyone the US bombs back into the stone age as Nazis. Oh wait, you can play Nazis in like 10 games.

Re:uhh (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268464)

The war is alot less sanitized now, Desert Shield and Storm were very limited, but with the practice of embedding more information comes out now.

Re:uhh (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268322)

I remember seeing a letter sent to iD Software back when Wolfenstein 3D came out that was from a Vietnam vet. He explained that the game had actually helped him with his PTSD.

Re:uhh (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268374)

I think I ended up siphoning off some of his PTSD, that game was scary as hell for me.

Re:uhh (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268434)

Or how many WW2 games...

Though there seem to be limits - I don't remember any game reenacting, say, Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Imagine the media frenzy this one would spawn.
I suspect the Vietnam also has similarly untouchable episoddes.

Re:uhh (1)

DJ Jones (997846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268436)

COME ON! Did you watch the FOX News video? As she clearly pointed out, WWII games and such "aren't based on real people".

The history channel basically embellished a 1 day skirmish between a few Europeans. REAL people are dying in this war. It's completely different.

Re:uhh (0)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268532)

There would have been plenty of outcry if the game came out while the war was still going on.

Too Soon, I Suppose (4, Interesting)

BigSes (1623417) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268224)

I don't see it much differently than being the Germans, Russians, Japanese, or any other opponent of the US in a conflict. I appreciate the realism of a theatre of war when depicted in entertainment, I guess its too soon for those involved to handle.

Re:Too Soon, I Suppose (4, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268490)

There is a game called Red Orchestra: Ostfront 1941-45. As the name implies, it's a (multiplayer) FPS set on WW2 Eastern Front, with Germans and Soviets being two opposing factions. Naturally, it lets you play for either one. It is also fairly realistic, not just in gameplay, but in depictions of various things - i.e. all swastikas and such are in place where they should be, and so on.

Now, forget Afghanistan, heck, forget even Vietnam - Soviet Union lost 10 million soldiers in WW2. 10 fucking million!

Which does not preclude Russian gamers today - including those having WW2 vets in the family - from playing this game in general, or playing it specifically for the Germans. If anything, the game is actually strongly appreciated for being one of the few Western games that deal with the subject of Eastern Front (which bore the brunt of the war) at all - most Western movies and games about WW2 focus on Allied, and, more specifically, American involvement, to the point that it seems sometimes that war in Europe started with the landings in Normandy...

Does it matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268228)

I can understand that it isn't like by those that have been involved, but in reality when playing games who hasn't wanted to be "the bad guy"? Move along nothing to see..

Counter Strike (4, Insightful)

Mantrid42 (972953) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268230)

You've been able to play as a Terrorist in Counter Strike since day one. It came out ten god damn years ago.

HTFU (4, Interesting)

Smoke2Joints (915787) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268234)

I dont want to hate on Americans, but seriously, you have no problems with a game where Russians are the enemy, despite the fact that Russian gamers might be interested in the latest new FPS. The same could be said about any number of WW2 games, where Germany is the enemy. I know that it was based on a different era, political climate etc, but get over it - there are two sides of the story, as EA says, and you need to accept that. Dont like it? Dont play the game. Or dont play that part of the game. And in the process, stick to your beliefs that America is always right and only evil people have opinions contrary to yours.

Newsflash: life isnt fair, neither is war.

Re:HTFU (3, Funny)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268304)

Yeah, but those Russian gamers will probably pirate it anyway ; )

Re:HTFU (3, Interesting)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268342)

Its not just limited to war games. The GTA series lets you kill cops and that really does happen in RL. As mentioned in another post, you could be a terrorist in Counter Strike. There are 2 sides to everything and some people just don't want you to see any side but theirs. Its how the US has slowly becoming a Nanny state because someone didn't like something they saw/heard/ect and felt that if they didn't like it, no one should see/hear/ect it.

Re:HTFU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268632)

Did you have a problem playing Modern Warfare 2 as the American gunning down Russian civilians?

Well (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268248)

My son didn't get to start over when he was killed. His life was over and I had to deal with that every day. There's 1200 families from Afghanistan that have to live with this every day

I feel your pain. Given our nation's involuntary draft, the servicemen who have died in the war thus far did so against their will. They did not know what they were fighting for, and what they were ready to give up to secure our freedoms.

Oh, wait. They did. They bleed crimson red so we can maintain our way of life. They chose to join the service.

You do a disservice to the fallen soldiers memories by acting like the very corrupt, anti-American terrorists. How dare you?

They died for us. It's our job to keep on living and enjoy life. You've better things to do than to wallow about some videogame.

Rerelease it in a few years then (2, Insightful)

ComputerGeek01 (1182793) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268250)

I have a Great Grandfather that died in WW2, do you think anyone in my family complains that everyother video game title out there centers on this conflict? How about games where you could be the Germans? I don't here a whole lot of gripping from Fox News about them. I don't get why this person wouldn't want her sons story, and the stories of all of the soldiers over there from every other country, to be told to the world in a form that the youth will acctually pay attention to.

Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next? (-1, Troll)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268252)

Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next? A nuke the usa game where you can play as north korea or Iran?

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268390)

Global Thermonuclear War? I've been waiting for that game for years...

+1 interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268592)

An interesting game...

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268392)

I truly mourn for the days when /. was free of morons such as yourself. I pity you.

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268402)

Probably not, but my Flash game where you torture and kill annoying slashdot trolls is coming along nicely. In level 6 you shove a Library of Congress up Joe the Dragon's ass, then he bends over and it looks just like goatse. To be fair though, I was kind to you compared to what happens to Trisexual Puppy.

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268414)

"Nuke the USA" is something that is fun to do in Civilization IV. Substitute Persia for Iran and you have your game right there.

(And then you play the Fallout series which takes place in post-nuclear-apocalypse America.)

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (1)

Aliotroph (1297659) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268442)

I always thought there could be some fun in an al-Qaeda game where you have to bypass a pile of security and pull off the biggest possible terrorist attack. It could be a co-op multiplayer game where your friends take on different terrorist roles. It would need to be cleverly designed for infiltration that doesn't involve constantly shooting people to be fun.

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (5, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268538)

A nuke the usa game where you can play as north korea or Iran?

You mean, like Civilization 4?

You wouldn't believe it, too - not only that game lets you nuke New York with impunity, but you can actually spread Islam (Islam!!!) in American cities, leading them to revolt and secede! And then demolish Christian temples in them, and build mosques!

You wouldn't believe the unspeakable lows some people are willing to get to in their burning hatred of America!

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (1)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268574)

BF: BC3? You would play as Russians but close enough.

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (2, Funny)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268606)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON_(video_game) [wikipedia.org] - fairly close

Also, there was this one C64 game, where you nominally play a world peacekeeper, IIRC. However, despite being a small kid (or perhaps because of it), I quickly figured out how to provoke nuclear exchanges; much more entertaining.

Re:Firest a ground zero mosque now this whats next (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268616)

Please, pretty please tell us you're joking?

Or, alternatively, tell us you were serious so we can add you to the "ignorant fuck that'll guzzle down anything Fox squirts down his throat" list.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Defcon to play...and I think I'll play the Russians today. any particular US cities you'd like me to refrain from nuking?

These people are idiots (5, Interesting)

HBI (604924) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268274)

I did a deployment to Iraq in 07-08. My sister was killed in the line of duty (Army). My parents have a triangular box with flag to 'commemorate' that. These games are fine. The woman complaining is an ass. Unless they started naming people and having you kill real people, the issue is moot. We all know there are enemies out there and they shoot to kill. Simulating it isn't a problem.

Re:These people are idiots (0, Troll)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268472)

Unless they started naming people and having you kill real people, the issue is moot.

Are you implying Pwnz0r~[KLANWIKKID]~~ is not a real person???

Re:These people are idiots (5, Informative)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268596)

This is the reaction I get from everyone I've talked to that does a stint overseas. There was one that I know that might have a few issues, but even then he wouldn't complain about them or stop anyone from playing a game(except maybe directly around him) and just avoid the stuff himself.

I have a number of family members in the military and multiple family members that have done a stint in Afghanistan, the only consistent response I get from them and others I know through them is "We don't know why the fuck we're there. The majority of the people don't want us there and it would be easier to evacuate those civilians that want to leave than change the mind set of the majority."

The sad part is several media outlets have attempted to report on this and have quickly been bombarded by public(read:political) outcry against it, and its quickly squashed. Interviews with soldiers that actually make it to being widespread throughout are generally of the sort where it is very easy to pick up that the soldier is basically reading from a script except for maybe a few heart wrenching moments where they recall actual experiences. Almost nothing I've seen in the media coincides with what I've heard from the people on the ground.

Re:These people are idiots (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268622)

I forgot to add: YMMV, this is anecdotal evidence from a sample group of approximately 8 people.

Re:These people are idiots (1)

nobodylocalhost (1343981) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268614)

Totally agreed. In fact we probably have training sims that have real soldiers play as the other side too. Should we stop that as well and send in our troops unprepared? Rejecting the enemies ideals is very different from being ignorant of the enemies. The former is an informed decision, the latter get people killed.

(obligatory) Nobody is forcing you to buy the game (3, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268284)

....Even if someone somehow forced you to buy the game, most servers have the option to let you choose your team. Don't like the Taliban, but don't have the time to be a real soldier? Join the American team! Kick some Taliban ass! We're now 10 years deep into the latest conflict. When can people start talking about this conflict as a reflection of our culture? It has to happen sometime.

Dale Earnhardt, Ray Chapman, Len Bias, et al. (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268290)

I understand why this mother would be upset, she lost her son and that's sad.

Race car games let you bump others into the wall. Baseball games let you throw beanballs. Basketball games let you recruit a posse and commit all kinds of off-the-field shenanigans. Maybe what we need is more padding for our children, that way they can live safely and without fear of something terrible happening. Sounds like a great way to motivate children to live life to its fullest.

fighting is a big part of hockey. game without who (0, Offtopic)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268344)

fighting is a big part of hockey and games without it will suck alot.

Tune In; Turn On; Drop Out +1, Helpful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268296)

( particularly when the Alzheimer's infected Senator John McCain continues to emit nonsense)

Someone has to play the role of LSD or the person who ingests the LSD. You decide here [youtube.com] .

Cheers.

Yours In Domododevo,
Kilgore Trout.

I don't play games alot (1)

IMightB (533307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268300)

but i believe that I played on the Russian army side of Bad Company. Or as a Colombian drug lord. No ones up in arms over that.

I know, let's just outlaw violence, that way only only governments and outlaws will use it. Imagine a world where kids don't get into fights. Adults can all go to arbitration. As a matter of fact Mr. bin Laden has an appointment with me and my arbitration people, early next week.

What about server admins? (2, Funny)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268350)

Clearly Uplink is insensitive to server admins who have lost data due to hacking. They didn't get to start over when their server was owned and they had no backups, and their families have to live with that every day. It's not a game... Introversion is very cavalier about it: "Well, it's just a game." But it isn't a game to the people who are suffering from the loss job.

What the fuck ever (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268364)

Yuppies are die hard hypocrite pussies. Wake me up when a game contains the following plot:

1. A foreign invader bombs your village and drops leaflets about liberation
2. You lose one cousin to an errant bomb, another is killed by a rival tribe
3. The electric grid starts to fail. Riots take over the streets, and you can no longer go to school or even visit family across town
4. Finally, your mother is forced into prostitution because your father was abducted, tortured, and killed by the invaders
5. You completely lose your mind and embark on a mission to kill at least one foreigner in retribution for the suffering you have endured

When that shit happens, video games will be art, and they will start to matter. Any complaining about obviously pro-American games like Medal of Honor is the most pathetic and empty endorsement of patriotism I've heard this week. And trust me, there's a lot of competition.

Typically hypocritical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268378)

It looks like Gold Star Mom is quite happy for people to play a game where they're members of an foreign army of occupation killing a mixture of innocent civilians, local freedom fighters and their own side. It's just when they get to play a role on the side of the conflict that's defending against invasion that there's a problem.

Arguing that any game based on a current conflict is a little tasteless seems a reasonable line of argument, or even that any realistic game based on "modern" conflicts needs to be treated carefully seems pretty reasonable. But objecting to a game simply because you get to experience (a sanitized, trivialized version of) both sides of the conflict is not.

This is just ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268386)

Its just a fucking video game. You do realize that all the Taliban that we gun down not only in Afghanistan have families too ? So, what is different about a video game that we slaughter nazis, or Vietnams, etc ? They have families too and they have suffered a lot.

Your son or daughter made the ultimate sacrifice and we all appreciate that. But does that mean we need to alter everything in our life in order to accommodate your lose ?

No, thats just silly and ridiculous.

Not just war games! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33268410)

I totally agree with this woman. Anything that can be linked to personal loss in video games should be disallowed. My son died in the 80's because a giant L-shaped girder fell on his head. People are unaware of the amount of construction accidents that happen everyday and affect the lives of so many, these game developers can be so insensitive!

How about the Afghans? (1)

Holammer (1217422) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268416)

I'm pretty sure they have objections of their own to having them depicted as cannon fodder in the games single player part. Plus they have a lot more casualties and grieving families. I'm not overly PC but the game might be "too soon". But marketing is counting on that for the extra publicity.

I would play as aTaliban (4, Funny)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268418)

For the express purpose of losing and mocking the dumb SOBs. All through the match I would warble and scream like a Taliban fighter and would yell out "Allah Fubar" or "Admiral Akbar", before getting sniped, as I was getting sniped I would scream, "I can see heaven and my 72 virgins, oh crap they are star trek nerds!!" before respawning.....

Release the Dickwolves (3, Interesting)

Herkum01 (592704) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268450)

For those who feel that playing the Taliban is offensive, I order you off the property because I am releasing the Dickwolves [penny-arcade.com] and you better hope you are not caught.

If this offended you, please read Gabe and Tycho's response [penny-arcade.com] while you are being herding to the mines.

And so begins the free advertising (4, Insightful)

TheDarkPassenger (1840942) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268476)

:)

The other side of the coin (1)

ChrisGoodwin (24375) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268488)

...is that maybe it's too soon to be making a game about a war that is currently in progress, with parents welcoming their sons home in boxes.

Just my opinion.

We must be politically correct. (1)

richardkelleher (1184251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268498)

God forbid we should offend somebody!

Dangit, it's good training ! (4, Interesting)

cbelt3 (741637) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268540)

I'm sure some people will be offended, but gosh darn it.. any trained soldier will tell you that training to 'think like the enemy' is a good thing. It lets you anticipate him and kill him before he kills you. If the soldier's mom is offended, I'm sorry to hear about it, but it is distinctly possible that some of her son's squad may find their lives saved at a future date by playing simulations like this one.

I hope that someone takes her aside and explains that to her.

Um, no (4, Informative)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268546)

If someone's the cop, someone's got to be the robber, someone's got to be the pirate, somebody's got to be the alien. In Medal Of Honor multiplayer, someone has to be the Taliban.

Not true. America's Army [wikipedia.org] solved this problem rather elegantly: there were two teams in any given match, and no matter which team you were on, your teammates were always displayed to you as Americans and the players on the other team displayed as Bad Furrin Terrorists ("OPFOR"). So nobody had to play as a Bad Furrin Terrorist; the BFTs were always the other guys, not you. Given how effectively this approach removes the issue of "playing as the Taliban" I'm a bit amazed EA's developers didn't use it.

To be fair.. (3, Insightful)

ArbitraryDescriptor (1257752) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268552)

I can't watch the video, so this is based solely on the summary. It is entirely possible that the 'Gold Star Mom' (huh?) now objects to all depictions of war as entertainment. The summary doesn't say she thinks it's OK to play the US side, but not the side who killed her boy. It just says she objects to war being portrayed as a game.

This is not a viewpoint that I share, but she's welcome to it.

It's gotta be rough (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268604)

It's gotta be rough playing Taliban where your only hope of anything is to shoot quickly than run, and hopefully you'll kill someone before you die, if you're lucky. Where if you ever begin to get the upper hand in any fight, your opponent calls in a helicopter that you have no defense against, or even hope to have a defense against. Where your only chance of winning is if your opponent decides to go home. That would be so depressing.

You don't have the right to not be... (2, Insightful)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 3 years ago | (#33268626)

...offended. Tagged "thinkofthechildren". Faux News sensationalism strikes again and were it not for them, the parents of dead soldiers would probably never have even heard about the game, let alone: "The Taliban Option". So who is the real villain?
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