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Bicycles As a Gateway To Government Control

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the slippery-spoke dept.

Earth 634

somaTh writes "Dan Maes, a candidate for governor of Colorado, thinks he's found an international conspiracy that starts with bike sharing. The article describes his current complaints with the incumbent's policies. 'The bike program in it of itself, if that's all it is, I wouldn't be opposed to it,' Maes told 9NEWS. 'What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program. That I would be opposed to.' He goes on to argue that the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control. I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose."

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Hint: hookup an iSSD w/ Facebook Places on bikes (1)

e065c8515d206cb0e190 (1785896) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303734)

THEN it will be a conspiracy (albeit an expensive one).

Commie Bikes !!! (2, Insightful)

Worchaa (774320) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303750)

OMG !!! ...what a jackass.

Re:Commie Bikes !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304162)

Well, if they are commie bikes, that goes against all our veterans have fought and died for since the Revolutionary war. ;-)

Tell me what to think, oh wise politician, for you know all, and I'm but a small taxpayer who can only view things as they are, not as they might be imagined to be.

Re:Commie Bikes !!! (3, Funny)

morari (1080535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304236)

I don't understand... is he saying that forced abortions are a bad thing?

Re:Commie Bikes !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304316)

So after giving a speech extolling the evils of this program:

"I haven't even had the time to visit the terms of the agreement that Mayor Hickenlooper has signed off on," Maes said in a phone interview. "I am gonna beg a little patience from the media, so I can study the details of this program and then make a much more informed commentary about it."

Also of interest from TFA:

Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper's spokesman Eric Brown told 9NEWS the city joined ICLEI in 1992, 11 years before Hickenlooper was elected.

Brown said Denver has limited contact with ICLEI. According to Brown, ICLEI has no connection to the B-Cycle program.

Lower Sperm Counts! (2, Informative)

Gr33nJ3ll0 (1367543) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303766)

I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose.

They've been shown to reduce sperm counts..... At least the traditional hard 10 speed bike seats.

Re:Lower Sperm Counts! (2, Insightful)

yagu (721525) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304068)

need citation!, I know of no study where the cause of lower count is from seat... there are a couple where lower count is theorized to be caused by excess heat from physical exertion of bicycling.

Re:Lower Sperm Counts! (2, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304202)

I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose.

RTFA, that's not in it anywhere.

He goes on to argue that the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control.

Someone else said that, not Crazy Maes.

I don't think the summary summarizes the story very well ...

Re:Lower Sperm Counts! (1)

GungaDan (195739) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304298)

It's not lowered sperm count, it's physical damage to the plumbing in the area due to it not being designed to be sat upon for any length of time. This is the same crush-syndrome-related damage that increases the risk of testicular cancer in male bicyclists who primarily remain seated while riding.

I didn't know (4, Insightful)

compucomp2 (1776668) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303770)

that the UN would be coordinated enough with all of its corruption and ineffectiveness (especially if you listen to guys like Maes) to execute such a nefarious plot.

South Park (2, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303802)

It's like the Dances With Smurfs episode of South Park where butters says to Cartman, "Like what you have to say, like how the President never does anything and how she's changing everything!". Pretty much just like that. I think its a form of cognitive dissonance or something.

Re:I didn't know (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303890)

The UN can be, like Obama, both corrupt and ineffective, and diabolically genius at the same time. The rich can be corrupt plutocrats who purchase government wholesale, and an oppressed minority who desperately need tax cuts, all at the same time. Conservative thinking requires no logical connection between its premises.

Re:I didn't know (4, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304094)

"8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.

When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy."

Re:I didn't know (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304306)

Is that quote from Umberto Eco?

Re:I didn't know (1)

laughing rabbit (216615) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303896)

I guess it is like having enough monkeys sitting at word processors could accidentally write Shakespeare.

Re:I didn't know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304238)

I just wanted to add a somewhat off-topic comment on your sig:

No incumbents, not no where, not no how.
Vote them out every term.

That would probably mean that, knowing that they had no hope of re-election, they would lose the incentive to stay honest and to at least appear to serve their constituents.

And this is the problem with America (5, Insightful)

davmoo (63521) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303800)

No matter how way out these whack-jobs are, there are people who believe them and will vote for them.

Re:And this is the problem with America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33303884)

No.

The fundamental problem with America is that I've yet to finish my orbital linux-powered yottahertz death laser platform. Once the station is operational, I can rule this country with a benevolent (yet iron) fist.

Why choose the lesser of two evils >:D

Re:And this is the problem with America (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303960)

So you're saying vote for Cthulu?

Not so fast (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33303930)

Judging by history, nearly every single expansion of government power is later used as precedent for yet even more expansion of government power. Every year we are subject to more laws, more spending, and increasingly larger attacks on our freedom (from our own government that is, not the enemy du jour). It's obvious that if expanding the business of government isn't the #1 priority, it's damn near close.

There's a reason why the US government of today dwarfs the US government of only 50, let alone 100 years ago, both in revenue and power over the people -- and it's not because the elite at the top don't know exactly how to expand their business.

Re:Not so fast (4, Insightful)

1984 (56406) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304040)

You know, you may well have a point in there. But thinking that opt-in bicycle sharing schemes are a great example of the thin end of that wedge is just, you know... fucking bonkers.

Re:Not so fast (4, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304088)

In principle, you have a point that's worth examining in reasoned discussion. But in fact, this argument by Maes is one of the nuttiest misapplications of the slippery-slope argument I've heard in months.

Re:Not so fast (4, Informative)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304294)

Reality check. The government has been involved in transportation for as long as there have been public roads.

I don't know the details of this program. I have definite preferences for how I'd like to see something like this structured, and depending on the details I might or might not support it.

But to claim its a new expansion of government power just doesn't make sense. State and local governments in major cities always have their hands in public transportation in one way or another; it's true for bus, light rail, subway, etc.; so what's so special about bikes?

Besides that, it would be quite a jump to extrapolate from "any old minor expansion of the government's function" to "restriction of personal liberties" and "population control". Can you propose a theory as to how this program contributes, even as a "tip of the wedge", to the surrendering of personal liberty to the government?

Re:And this is the problem with America (3, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304010)

there are people who believe them and will vote for them.

Too many people spending too much time watching the Fox Propaganda Network.

Re:And this is the problem with America (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304014)

Even so, John Hickenlooper - the Democratic candidate, running against both Maes and Tom Tancredo (who sees murderous illegal Mexicans behind every bush) - has got to be smiling a little after this.

Hmm, I see His Logic Here ... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303804)

the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control.

If you're a guy and you don't ride a good bike with a 'nad-friendly-seat' you're on your way down the path of bike-conspiracy-related sterilization which will result in population control.

I don't want to call this guy crazy ... because I don't want to offend any crazy people.

Re:Hmm, I see His Logic Here ... (0, Troll)

siriuskase (679431) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303892)

Do you really think bike messengers and guys who think they look good in lycra should reproduce?

Re:Hmm, I see His Logic Here ... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303958)

Do you really think bike messengers and guys who think they look good in lycra should reproduce?

Um, no ... not.at.all ... 'cuz those guys often test positive for 'fanny packs' too [shudder]

Re:Hmm, I see His Logic Here ... (1)

DudeTheMath (522264) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304308)

...guys who think they look good in lycra

I wear it; I have no illusion that I look good in it.

Oh, and I have already successfully reproduced--to my occasional chagrin and my mother's constant glee. ("Some day, I hope you have a child just like you!")

Gov Conspiracy (4, Insightful)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303810)

Also brought to you by the Folks Who Is Convinced That Mr. Obama is one of them Muzlams

Re:Gov Conspiracy (3, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303860)

Hey, if you could install a brain fungus in 20% of the people that would make them vote for your plutocratic ideal without knowing about it, you would.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (2, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303942)

Hey, if you could install a brain fungus in 20% of the people that would make them vote for your plutocratic ideal without knowing about it, you would.

No I wouldn't, neither would you, neither would most people. We haven't been brainwashed into thinking that oppressive control is a central tenant of civilization like the rich have. Those raised rich, as a general rule, are taught that civilization needs the stick, and you can either be the one wielding it, or the one getting hit by it.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304234)

Guess who invented money, and keeps you chasing it while they pocket what you spend trying to get it.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304358)

Um, my guess is 'no one' because I don't chase money or material things. I like people, not things, and value open, intimate relationships far more than any property.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (1)

Tenek (738297) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304240)

Halloween 2012 presidential poll: Palin 55 Obama 43 Undecided 2

Still wouldn't?

Re:Gov Conspiracy (2, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304398)

That's about as likely as Hitler's ghost running a successful campaign for Prime Minster of Israel. Even Republicans won't vote for a Palin presidency, no one is that suicidal.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304360)

If I could install a brain fungus in 20% of the people that would make them follow through on the plutocratic ideals of my candidate, I would.

Re:Gov Conspiracy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304054)

By Muslim Law, his Father was a Muslim, therefore Pres. Omaba is a Muslim. That part is fact. That he renounced his former Religion and became a Christian is fact; problem is... instead of going to Church on Sunday, he is playing Golf. *shrug*

Just sayin'....

Re:Gov Conspiracy (1)

GiveBenADollar (1722738) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304288)

Well thank you for adding that to the conversation. Instead of talking rationally about the merits of any arguments we'll just go to name calling and generalizations. You are an intellectual one aren't you. Glad you got modded insightful.

What a fucking retard. (2, Funny)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303828)

Next thing you know, he'll say skateboards are the Highway to Satanism, Goatse Worship, and the Global Domination of Barking Pumpkins and Douchebags.

Re:What a fucking retard. (2, Informative)

batquux (323697) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303974)

The douchebags are already in place. You weren't supposed to know about the barking pumpkins yet.

Re:What a fucking retard. (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304284)

I wondered why I had such an awesome yield of pumpkins this year, and why the neighbor's dog sounded awfully loud when my nearest neighbor is about a half mile away. It's all so clear to me now.

[sound of shotgun being cocked]

"Time for some pumpkin pie, muthafuhkas! Harvest starts now!"

[sound of gunfire and whimpering pumpkins]

Re:What a fucking retard. (5, Informative)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304060)

Nope, his handlers have reigned him in and told him he sounded like a wingnut conspiracy theorist. Just a few days after his comments he had this to say when asked by the news station: "I haven't even had the time to visit the terms of the agreement that Mayor Hickenlooper has signed off on. I am gonna beg a little patience from the media, so I can study the details of this program and then make a much more informed commentary about it."

In other words, "I made a ridiculous accusation without even so much as reading the law I was talking about. Please, please, please ignore what I said earlier while I stall for time until this whole thing blows over."

Re:What a fucking retard. (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304150)

Wait, is skateboards the new slang term for 4chan?

Republican (3, Insightful)

siriuskase (679431) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303830)

In case you care, he's a Republican. I wonder how closely he follows the party line? Or maybe party is irrelevant on /.

Re:Republican (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303912)

HE IS following the party line. The Republican party line is anybody who considers using less oil for any reason is a Communist Socialist Marxist terrorist. I know truly mentally ill people who are not as crazy as some of these Republican candidates.

Re:Republican (2, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304278)

As far as I can tell, the Republican Party Line seems to be just a little bit of bad cocaine cut with a walloping dose of PCP.

It does explain things. Really.

Re:Republican (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304300)

So you know the party line then? Are you republican? Or have you just heard what your fellow internet citizens have told you? Maybe what you heard what someone saw on foxnewz...

I thought perhaps the Republican party could reinvent itself with the tea party. However, I have been rather disappointed that the 'loon jobs' took over. With it becoming more of a joke than a real change in the party back to the 90s era style republican.

We need fiscal responsibility. The second I saw the GW style republican sending out rebate checks (which *NO* one was bitching about) I knew they were going to spend too much. Then the rinse and repeat. Then I had hoped for a real change from the Democrats when they assumed control. Instead they have been 50x worse. Many in congress are just calling it in. The same ones blaming Bush are the same ones who removed the laws that protected from meltdowns that happened in 2000 and 2008. Enacted by laws created in 96-97. Oh btw didnt you ever wonder where all that money came from for that dot com bubble? It didnt just 'magically appear'. It came from the same place that the housing/oil bubble money came from.

With the whole lot of them blaming each other instead actually doing good. We have the whole lot shoving down legislation our throats without even bothering to read it. Both groups are a bunch of babies who cant read and just look to their major and minor leaders on which way to jump.

For example I like the independent Ron Paul. But if you think the recession of the last 2 years is bad his ideas would be 45% unemployment in months. There is no 'nice' way to unwind 80+ years of deficit spending. The first step would be balanced budget. Thats just the FIRST step.

So keep on voting in more tax and spend politicos. Go for it in fact. When the whole thing implodes (and it will) it will be breadlines for all of us.

The people who voted for 'change' and got a tax and spend democrat are starting to get pretty pissed off. Im one of em. When that 20% decrease in pay happens on Jan 1 next year you are really going to see things hit the fan.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33303832)

All your bike are belong to us

It is what we want... (4, Insightful)

laughing rabbit (216615) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303840)

...we keep electing them.

Bless their pointy little heads.

I am getting sick (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33303842)

I am living here in US for last 10 years and I am getting sick of it because of people like this one. This country is going more and more backwards each and every day. Societies make progress by being socially liberal and progressive not being ass backwards social conservative. I for one am convinced that we are seeing real decline of the US American society as we know it.

Re:I am getting sick (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304008)

You think he's bad? The other Republican candidate (technically 3rd party but come on) for the CO governorship is Tom Tancredo. Both Maes and Tancredo know more about conspiracies and fake threats to America than they do about their children.

If it makes you feel any better neither of these idiots will win.

Re:I am getting sick (2, Interesting)

ChefInnocent (667809) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304078)

I don't know if American empire has reached its pinnacle, or if this is just another period of idiocy. If you look back at our history, we've gone through this many times and progressed despite the temporary regression. Look at the first Red Scare, the second Red Scare, the cold war, all the various anti-immigration movements, witch hunts, etc.

Correction to summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33303848)

One correction - The incumbent in this election for governor is Bill Ritter who is not running for re-election. Maes Democratic opponent is John Hickenlooper who is currently the mayor of Denver

Re:Correction to summary (5, Informative)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304286)

One correction - The incumbent in this election for governor is Bill Ritter who is not running for re-election. Maes Democratic opponent is John Hickenlooper who is currently the mayor of Denver

Correction to correction: Dan Maes somehow managed to win the Republican primary so he's the Republican candidate. He's facing Hickenlooper and independent-with-name-recognition Tom Tancredo, who ran for US President in 2008. Usually third-party candidates don't have a chance, but Tancredo has a lot of local support, so right now he's polling 18% [rasmussenreports.com] with Hickenlooper at about 40% and Maes with about 30%.

As an aside, every time I ride through Denver I see dozens of people out on those cute red bicycles. It's an amazingly successful program, that isn't supported by Federal, State, or local funds, and since the individuals who use the bikes have a financial stake (deposit, credit card info) in keeping the bikes in reasonable shape, it has a much higher chance of being successful in the long-term than many of the other city bike programs that have been floated. Plus, the bikes are keen. They weigh a ton but they have a huge cargo basket, so they're actually useful for lugging stuff. Two weeks ago I saw a couple riding them and they had a kid's bicycle in the basket of one bike, and the kid herself in the basket of the other bike -- not a WISE thing, but indicative of the flexibility the bikes can provide. They have front and rear lights that are always on when the bike's moving, compliments of a hub generator system, so they're quite visible. I think it's a fantastic program.

I can't find the article right now but Dan Maes is on record as saying that Denver's bike program "may threaten our personal freedoms [denverpost.com] ". Once you realize that the last job Maes had was as a used car salesman, his feelings might be more understandable, if not more sensible.

Re:Correction to summary (1)

Compholio (770966) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304314)

Maes Democratic opponent is John Hickenlooper who is currently the mayor of Denver.

Hickenlooper is also so well-liked that you'd be crazy to run against him, which is probably why we see Maes and Tancredo (another wacko) running against him.

Re:Correction to summary (1)

tempest69 (572798) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304386)

I've been to the Cherry Cricket (restaurant Hickenlooper co-owns) back in 2001 and still remember the sandwich. I went back a few times.
Hickenlooper stomps conspiracy nut, he'd have my vote if I still lived there.

And here I thought... (2, Funny)

Even on Slashdot FOE (1870208) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303852)

...that the bike seats were designed to make you wear stupid pants.

It seems... (2, Insightful)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303858)

It seems that there is no lower bound in politics.

FTFA: (4, Insightful)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303898)

"It's all part of this population control mentality that we as humans are the disease," Strauch said.

Yes, from the point of the view of the planet and every other living thing, we are the disease. There's somewhere around 6+ billion people, happily eating, consuming, polluting, and destroying to our hearts' content. Installing higher efficiency light bulbs or buying Prius' or switching to riding a bike aren't going to avert a collapse in our global ecology/economy. We have to stop destroying our food and ecosystems on which we rely and undo the damage we've done. In short, stop charging to our children's credit cards, start paying them off, then start saving. Switching to riding a bike is like spending just a little less on their credit cards. We have to do so much more.

Re:FTFA: (2, Funny)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303956)

The world is vastly over populated. Yes if everybody on the planet each got a knife made out of recycled glass and used it carefully to murder a neighbour, then the whole problem would be halved over night.

Re:FTFA: (0, Troll)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304046)

What? A post advocating the murder of 3 billion people on Slashdot and it hasn't been rated +100 Insightful yet? I'm shocked! o_O

Seriously, this place has reached the point where I cannot tell if you are joking or not.

Re:FTFA: (3, Insightful)

batquux (323697) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304096)

Yes if everybody on the planet each got a knife made out of recycled glass and used it carefully to murder a neighbour, then the whole problem would be halved over night.

More than halved. Actually, that would about take care of it.

Re:FTFA: (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304330)

if everybody on the planet each got a knife made out of recycled glass and used it carefully to murder a neighbour, then the whole problem would be halved over night.

If everybody went next door to murder a neighbor, no one would be next door to be a victim.

Re:FTFA: (1)

spads (1095039) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304152)

Switching to riding a bike is a fine start. Most importantly, it will make you stronger and more whole, which predisposes you to other improvements. "Think globally and act locally" and all that.

Salient and stupid (-1, Troll)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303914)

He makes a legitimate point about exporting sovereignty to international bodies like the UN, and I think that is important.

The fact that he made it in a dumb way and on a trivial issue makes it silly, but I think it is legitimate to be concerned that one day the UN might be handing down mandates on global warming that our government obligates us to follow.

As far as these bike-sharing kiosks go, a similar program is in place here in Minneapolis. You can rent a bike from this automated rack for $5 a day, I think, charged to your debit card.

Some people like it, but it has destroyed the rental business that local bike shops used to do, and any business they might have gotten after someone liked the bike they rode for the day. And the whole thing is, you guessed it, subsidized by taxpayers and has yet to turn a profit (if it ever will, if everything we know about government is precedent it will probably not)

Re:Salient and stupid (3, Insightful)

GiveBenADollar (1722738) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304050)

It doesn't matter if his point is legitimate, or if he clearly makes the statement that he wants time to study what the mayor has signed onto. He's a republican and he doesn't like bikes. This has nothing to do with an environmental initiative that is being spearheaded without review. Remember if you want bills to be read by congress before they are voted on then you are a racist who doesn't like the children or the poor. It's funny who people who opposed the Patriot Act for all the right reasons turn a blind eye to this new wave of legislation that is going through without checks or balances of any kind, and without even the time for everyone to know what it's all about. Remember Ted Stevens said the Internet is made of tubes, not that he did anything good or bad. Move along folks, nothing to see here other than a Republican who doesn't like bikes.

Re:Salient and stupid (4, Insightful)

raddan (519638) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304052)

That's the whole point about programs for the greater good, though-- it need not turn a profit because it's FOR THE GREATER GOOD. Yeah, sometimes small businesses get wiped out. If that's your most important criteria, you will never make a change for the better, because it will always have some bad.

People complain all the time that Amtrak doesn't make a profit, but... nobody seems to notice or care that our roads don't either.

Re:Salient and stupid (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304084)

It's about as important a concern as is sentient robots enslaving the human race. Sure, I can imagine scenarios in which it could happen, but there's no evidence that we're headed down such a path.

We could argue all day about what's happening in regards to the USA's position and authority in the world, but we're an awful long way from the UN or anybody else pressuring our government into accepting mandates on anything.

This guy is just combining fear-mongering, american exceptionalism, and paranoid delusions to try and make his political opponents look bad. He is saying nothing of value.

Re:Salient and stupid (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304216)

This guy is just combining fear-mongering, american exceptionalism, and paranoid delusions to try and make his political opponents look bad. He is saying nothing of value.

Umm, yeah. He's a politician. That's what we voted him in for. He's a Republocrat, and will save us from the Evil Demoblicans.

Re:Salient and stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304182)

But I likes sellin' them thar buggy whips, you insensitive clod!

Corrective Measure Needed (3, Funny)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303920)

I think that it's about time we fluoridate this guy's drinking water!

New Red Scare (3, Funny)

ChefInnocent (667809) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303928)

OMG! There's a socialist under every rock, and we need to protect ourselves from these anti-consumerist, anti-free trade, anti-American perpetrators of evil! Sharing bikes is a sign of socialism, and everyone needs to buy their own bike if we are to have a free and functioning democracy. If we let these socialist put bikes out there to share, it is inevitable they will hook our young children on their evil ideas of sharing. Once people start sharing, particularly government purchased stuffs, our young will grow into people who will want a bigger government which provides more stuffs to share. Where will it end? It won't end with bikes. It won't end with cars, RVs, boats or the like. No, soon the government will grow to offer all sorts of things. This bike program is really a back door route to medical health care. If we're getting free bikes to use, we'll want free health care. That's when the socialists have got us. Of course, free medical care will lead to limiting children, death panels, and LSD. Stop the socialists today, "Just say no to bicycles!".

So, intelligent use of resources = socialism (4, Insightful)

jbeach (852844) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303948)

Therefore, the only way to be free is to be stupid and waste resources.

Re:So, intelligent use of resources = socialism (1)

Howitzer86 (964585) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304074)

Exactly. We also have to be obese, bankrupt, and love Sarah Palin.

That is what it means to be a true American.

Re:So, intelligent use of resources = socialism (2, Insightful)

bkpark (1253468) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304158)

No, but forced "intelligent" use of resources is, perhaps not equivalent to but a convenient excuse for socialism.

I'm not entirely sure if biking leads to socialistic New World Order (although those Chinese do like bikes, don't they?), but if something were really intelligent and prudent use of resources, it shouldn't need government programs for promotion. This is the same logic under which I avoid all "organic" foods—if it were good food, it wouldn't need the "organic" label to sell itself to me.

haha the bikeshed (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303950)

Nice to see useless idiots still arguing over the bikeshed.. [wikipedia.org]

How to get elected. (5, Insightful)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303954)

"What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program.

Use people's fears and suck them in.

  • Deadbeats sponging off of the Government at taxpayer expense.
  • UN taking our sovereignty away
  • [Fill in right] will be taken away by other party.
  • Other party will tax us more
  • Other party will open the flood gates for illegals
  • Other party kills babies
  • Other party will allow people to marry sheep
  • Other party hates God
  • Others are against the troops
  • Others hate America
  • Other isn't tough on [crime, terrorism, drugs, child pornography]

I don't find the politicians as disgusting as the morons who buy into the rhetoric; which unfortunately, they have enough sway to set the tone of politics in this country.

old news if you use sidebars (1)

sh00z (206503) | more than 4 years ago | (#33303962)

Those of us with the Salon sidebar aleady saw this in This Week in Crazy [salon.com]

we are in a new era of mccarthyism (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304018)

mccarthyism was an era of fear of "secret communists" everywhere, and joe mccarthy successfully inserted himself as demagogue in chief of the wave of fear and hysteria sweeping the land in the time of sputnik and soviets with an atom bomb. strangely, it was also an era when 3D movies were all the rage... spin that observation into your own paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory

one of the up and coming tea party types will be the next joe mccarthy. they will use this sort of paranoid schizophrenic break with reality to describe "secret muslims" (that's what obama is, ya know), "secret socialists", "secret fascists", etc. taken on their own, theses hysterical creative inventions are like a farcical hollywood movie. but so many actually and truly believe this crap

there's just a certain panicky low iq kind of human, in the usa and other countries, who is apparently about as gullible as a toddler in a carnival haunted house ride, and for whatever reason, they only believe the most fantastical fearful propaganda they encounter. i guess reality is too mundane and boring? i don't know what to do about these people, they have these coordinated waves of fear throughout history, and i don't know if there is an effective way to defuse their delusional problems before they damage our societies

its the same as the salem witch trials: she dresses funny, and floats, so she's a witch, so kill her before she hurts us. in the era of joe mccarthy, it was fluoridated water (fluoridated water was not to strengthen teeth, but to turn you into a communist). later there were "chemtrails": jet airplanes contrails were seeding the atmosphere with mind control chemicals. people really and truly believed and believe this nonsense. its alternatively hilarious and frightening. it tells you the mentality of how lynch mobs form, its a sad phenomenon of human sociology

and this manipulated fearmongered hysteria is the mentality that is sweeping the land right now. sad

Bike seats uncomfortable? (1)

OhHellWithIt (756826) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304032)

I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose.

It depends on whether you want to make your butt fit the saddle, or the saddle fit the butt. That's why I ride on a Brooks saddle: I'd prefer that the saddle be the one doing the adjusting.

Anyway, so now I'm part of another international conspiracy....

Amazing (1)

lsappserver (915135) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304042)

Where I come from we have 50% illiteracy rates but we still elect rocket scientists and economics PhDs for higher offices. It is amazing in this country of 100% literate people so many are so anti-intellectuals.

Am I missing something here? (4, Informative)

mark-t (151149) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304100)

I mean... WTF?

I read the article and reread and reread it, and I cannot even begin to see how, from *ANY* perspective that I can conceive of some other even modestly intelligent person having, that one could come to the conclusions that he did.

Most conspiracy theories I've heard of have at least a shred of something to at least build the conspiracy on, but I just can't find any evidence of it in that article.

Really? Bicycle Conspiracies! (0, Offtopic)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304144)

With so many other topics for an election to focus on. Such as the budget crisis of city and state governments across the US. You would think they would have better things to discuss than BICYCLE CONSPIRACIES.

I, for one (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304156)

I, for one, welcome our new bike-sharing overlords.

Don't forget (1)

boristdog (133725) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304190)

Don't forget the forced gay sex and idol worship.

That all starts with riding a bike, kids.

Arguably the opposite (3, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304196)

You could argue that increasing bicycle usage was the opposite effect-- of decreasing governmental control and increasing freedom. Right now we're reliant on a massive government-controlled system of roads which we travel on via government-subsidized vehicles. Automobiles are big and regulated and subsidized and result in a sort of "central planning". Bicycles on the other hand-- anyone can build a bicycle. A bicycle doesn't need a road, and bike paths are much easier to build/move.

I suspect this comes more from the belief that if something is healthy and environmentally friendly and doesn't subsidize big businesses, then it must be some kind of nefarious socialist hippie plot.

Forced == Promoted? (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304228)

TFS says...

He goes on to argue that the bicycle program is only a gateway into bigger policies including, but not limited to, forced abortions and population control. I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose."

The link says....

Nate Strauch told The Associated Press that Maes was trying to say that the biking initiative is a "gateway program" being pushed by ICLEI on cities that eventually lead to extreme measures, such as the promotion of abortions and population control

Are we to believe there's no difference?

How does it add up? (3, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304262)

Bike sharing is forced population control? Perhaps because when you have a bike accident, you slip from your seat and bust your nuts on the horizontal frame bar?

actually (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304266)

it has been conjectured that long term male bicyclists have damaged prostates, erectile dysfunction, and reduced fertility

the ergonomics of vigorous bike riding basically means you are constantly punching yourself in the perineum with a bike seat

so score one for the delusional paranoid schizophrenics: bicycle use IS population control

delusional paranoid schizophrenics take note: now you need a tin foil jockstrap too

Bike seats and forced abortions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304272)

I understand that bike seats are uncomfortable, but I had no idea it was on purpose.

Obviously, you haven't ridden Dan's bicycle [wikipedia.org] over some of Colorado's back-country.

Government control of bicycles? (3, Funny)

blair1q (305137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304274)

The government can have control of my bicycle when they pry it from my cold, dead cleats.

Not a new news story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33304276)

The story pointed to is 14 days old. I remember some slashdot (or possibly boingboing) story pointing to it, some time ago. Just can't find the link.

And this is why... (2, Insightful)

JasoninKS (1783390) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304292)

And this is why there should be mandatory drug testing for political candidates. If I have to have a drug screening to get a job, they should too.

I can see it... (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304326)

"The bike program in it of itself, if that's all it is, I wouldn't be opposed to it," Maes told 9NEWS. "What I am opposed to is if it's part of a bigger program that the mayor has signed on to as part of a UN program. That I would be opposed to."

"It's all part of this population control mentality that we as humans are the disease," Strauch said. "He never said that biking is inherently wrong."

Question - Why can't people just own their own bikes? What's with all the government involvement at the actual bike level? These devices are often less than $200, which is relatively very little. The plan costs at least $65/year, and that's before whatever these 'usage fees' are. These are close to equivalent, except B-cycle needs facilities, a web presence, and a less-than-trivial number of staff members to make it efficient.

If the city wanted to leverage funds to make people ride more bikes, why not simply subsidize their purchase? Particularly in this economy, this would certainly be welcomed by the local bike retailers. As the plan stands, they will probably hurt sales of bikes.

So here we have a plan that is probably not economical, hurts local business, and adds complexity to the government.

Why?

The problem I have with B-cycle. (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304344)

What is to stop someone from just renting a bike and taking it home as their own, thus causing the program to eventually collapse. How are they going to know that you took a bike, You could just say you were "renting one for a few days".

FYI: I drive a car to work, i don't mind more people on bikes as long as they stay on the bike paths and don't try to ride on the streets.

There's nothing to be afraid of except.... (1)

Fibe-Piper (1879824) | more than 4 years ago | (#33304350)

Unicycles, or worse tandem bicycles!
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