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Cisco Plans $1B Investment In Cloud

samzenpus posted about 4 months ago | from the better-late-than-never dept.

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itwbennett (1594911) writes "Cisco Systems said Monday it plans to invest over $1 billion to expand its cloud business over the next two years, including building a global, OpenStack-based 'network of clouds' that it has dubbed the 'intercloud'. The Intercloud will support any workload, on any hypervisor and interoperate with any cloud, both private and public, according to Cisco."

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Just wait... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564657)

...until I release my metaintercloud.

They'll all be regretting that misdirected $1 billion then.

Re:Just wait... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 4 months ago | (#46564829)

When I hear "investing in the cloud" it sounds like they are going to "invest" using a leaf blower.

About as effective, too.

Hope some loose cash blows my way.

Old man shouts at cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564667)

I can just imagine a room of gray-haired Cisco executives coming up with a name for this. "I've got it, it's the cloud on the internet! We'll call it the Intercloud!"

Re:Old man shouts at cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564707)

Old age clouds the judgement.

Why do people bitch about the NSA and then still p (0)

Nickodeimus (1263214) | about 4 months ago | (#46564677)

Just wondering.

this new interface... (2)

Nickodeimus (1263214) | about 4 months ago | (#46564723)

great truncation of my topic

Supposed to read:

"Why do people bitch about the NSA and still put their data in "the cloud""

Why are you putting yo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564785)

u're comment in the subject?

Re:this new interface... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 4 months ago | (#46564799)

everyone p's

Whew! (1)

srussia (884021) | about 4 months ago | (#46564999)

"Why do people bitch about the NSA and still p

Glad you're OK. I thought that was a genuine "NO CARRIER".

Re:this new interface... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565731)

great truncation of my topic

Supposed to read:

"Why do people bitch about the NSA and still put their data in "the cloud""

The available everywhere storage services have their place but only if users have automatic private encryption of their container with the private key held exclusively by the user and never stored by the service provider. Today, if any service offers encryption it holds the keys not the user.

For the record I use cloud storage and virtualisation services but I do not store information or documents which could be used for identity theft.

Because it doesn't matter (1)

TheOriginalLimey (1657333) | about 4 months ago | (#46567113)

You think the NSA is being stopped by your security?

Re:this new interface... (1)

styrotech (136124) | about 4 months ago | (#46569347)

"Why do people bitch about the NSA and still put their data in "the cloud"

Maybe because it won't matter. If the NSA wants it, they will just compromise your network and the desktops of your sysadmins and managers to get it.

I think I'd rather them just grab the data from the source without installing rootkits in my network ;)

(Yes I know they'd do both either way)

Re:Why do people bitch about the NSA and then stil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564849)

I suppose if they didn't p that they'd die of a busted bladder. That's just my guess.
 
Captcha: vessels

Cures aids and cancer too (5, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about 4 months ago | (#46564679)

Because you can run any service on any hypervisor ... magically ... on their cloud ... it will also magically cure all the worlds ills.

Marketing douche bags, I suspect 'works together' means that they have network connectivity.

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about 4 months ago | (#46564833)

It uses their backdoor to Huawei (which they happened to find lying around).

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564911)

What's better than the "Internet of Things"?

Obviously the Internet of EVERYTHING! Wow. Someone in Cisco must have got a big fat bonus for that idea.

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (3, Interesting)

idji (984038) | about 4 months ago | (#46565217)

My company has employees in over 40 countries globally - 100 of us need to daily collaborate to build demo, download and upload virtual machines. A cloud provider gives us that for about 100,000k€/year and gives us servers in US, Europe and Asia. There is no way we could do that internally for 2 or 3 times that price. Cloud is a great solution for us - data loss, hacking, snooping etc are not issues because these are customer facing demo machines, and we download what we want.

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about 4 months ago | (#46566767)

And thats impressive because?

I can do that with the cluster I have in my bedroom closet at home. (You haven't described anything really, so saying I can do it is trivial). Right now its got ~45 Windows XP machines running test suites on code, and some FreeBSD machines managing it along with a few OSX boxes for testing. So I doubt you've got much more load than I do.

A cloud provider gives you ... exactly same thing that data centers have been giving you for the last 30 years, except you can do it remotely. Its is great for what you are using it for if you don't mind paying extra.

Why do you think 'cloud' makes it magically different? Because you feel impressive that you pay almost as much if not more for a virtual machine than you used to pay for real physical machines? I don't find that impressive.

So you pay roughly 200 times more than I do for what appears to be roughly twice the number of VMs. (I'm assuming that the '100 of us' all use their own individual VM for demos). If you can't do better price wise, you need to fire your IT department. Unless these boxes use a fuckton of bandwidth, I wouldn't brag about your pricing. You're basically talking about paying $2000USD/year for a machine, which is roughly $166/month. Thats an decent windows server VM ANYWHERE.

I know I'm making very bold statements without knowing your real environment, but the way you've stated it, you have nothing special that would justify the ridiculous price unless you've got a 100 VMs with 64GB of ram in each of 3 or 4 data centers, which you clearly don't.

Cloud is a great solution for us - data loss, hacking, snooping etc are not issues because these are customer facing demo machines, and we download what we want.

Wow ... just WOW ... Do yourself a favor, do not EVER make that statement in front of a customer. You're proud of the fact that you don't give a shit about data theft? Dude, thats not something to ever brag about, I don't care if your job is to give out open source software, getting hacked still shows your incompetence, not caring about it, triply so.

Anyway, what does that have to do with any of this? Cisco is making wildly outlandish claims that are flat out never going to happen. Anyone who doesn't realize its not going to happen is utterly ignorant of the subject matter and shouldn't be part of the discussion unless they happen to be asking to be educated on the discussion.

You remind me of my former boss who described EDI translation software as 'a black box that you can put anything you want into and get it out in any language you want automatically' which sounds cool as shit.

Until you find out what he meant was ... they have this software that will take input, let you run transforms on it that you have to make yourself by reverse engineering the input data ... yourself ... and then output the transform ... Now ... you have to write the transform ... so you have to actually know how to do the translation and all the software really is a crappy custom language that is hamstrung by only working with a narrow set of inputs and outputs ...

It didn't translate shit on its own until you wrote the software to do the translation ...

Ciscos hypervisors won't work magically together with your own custom internal software just because they said so ... someone will still be writing the code to hook it all together ... just like every other cloud or co-lo or VPS on the planet.

This article is nothing more than a retarded Cisco advertisement about some fantasy marketing gimmick that is in way true.

And you believe it. VMs are great for many things, but don't come in here bragging about how awesome it is to use them when it looks like you're getting ripped off and putting your company in someone else's hands instead of your own. And you damn sure shouldn't tell people that you don't give a shit that they get hacked or broken into. It doesn't matter what data they have on them, that shows just how lazy and unprofessional your company is.

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46568663)

"45 Windows XP machines running test suites on code, and some FreeBSD machines managing it along with a few OSX boxes for testing. So I doubt you've got much more load than I do"

Fuck you show off...
My dad can fuck your mom with no hands!

Re:Cures aids and cancer too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46569597)

*slow clap*

*rises to applause*

CRITICAL NEWSFLASH (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564731)

Large company buys additional servers and plans to lease services. More after at 11:00!

Re:CRITICAL NEWSFLASH (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 4 months ago | (#46564763)

The revelation here is that THINK they are doing something new. They're not.

Re:CRITICAL NEWSFLASH (2)

Chrisq (894406) | about 4 months ago | (#46564819)

The revelation here is that THINK they are doing something new. They're not.

Ah but the grey-haired executives in financial institutions, local government departments, and manufacturing companies will think its something new too

Hip Hip Horrah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564733)

I cannot wait to start moving my web-o-sphere into the intercloud! My blog-o-tubes will run faster than ever!

nice (2)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 4 months ago | (#46564779)

Cisco aggressively offering cloud services themselves aught to go over well with all the customers of Cisco who currently offer cloud services.

A whole network of clouds... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 4 months ago | (#46564793)

A whole network of clouds... are they proposing some form of hierarchy or do they just mean "a big cloud"?

overcast (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564871)

i think they're trying to avoid the usual term for a network of clouds.

Re:A whole network of clouds... (3, Funny)

David_Hart (1184661) | about 4 months ago | (#46564891)

Maybe it's just a network cloud that you connect all of your other cloud services to... All I know is that when too many clouds get together, it's more likely to rain...

Re:A whole network of clouds... (1)

bob_super (3391281) | about 4 months ago | (#46566685)

"the network is the computer" Sun
"We'll make megaclouds" Cisco

Ssid nobody ever... (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | about 4 months ago | (#46564805)

The cloud worked perfectly and increased performance substantially!

Listen to Woz (4, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 4 months ago | (#46564817)

I saw Woz speak a few years ago at a conference, and he was pretty anti-cloud - he says you should own your own data, in your hand, on (ideally) a computer you built and programmed yourself. He's spot on.

Clouds lose data. They get hacked. They get snooped. If you have a storage device in your hand, you own the data.

Re:Listen to Woz (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564873)

Not anymore with Android and iOS. You have a storage device in your hand. That storage device uploads your data so the NSA can still spy on you. If you bought a device from a big company and that device accesses the internet, your data is already in the cloud. Whether you know about it or not.

Re:Listen to Woz (1)

lgw (121541) | about 4 months ago | (#46565191)

I saw Woz speak a few years ago at a conference, and he was pretty anti-cloud - he says you should own your own data, in your hand, on (ideally) a computer you built and programmed yourself. He's spot on.

You know, chairs built by hand by an individual craftsman really are better than those mass-produced chairs. Funny how price matters. Automation always means some loss of control, but huge gains in cost and repeatability. "It's going to railroad, come railroad time".

Re:Listen to Woz (3, Insightful)

Drethon (1445051) | about 4 months ago | (#46565339)

Depends on what that data is.

Personal data that no one else needs to see? Sitting on my HD behind firewalls that should keep it where I put it. If it is really private data and rarely used I may keep it on a CD sitting on a shelf. No guarantees in life though.

Private data that I want to work on at multiple locations but will not be catastrophic if someone else gets ahold of it? On a NAS at home, behind those same firewalls and wired into the network. Should be about as secure as sitting on my HD but if someone manages to hack my router and NAS... well...

Limited shared data? Now I start wandering into the cloud and Dropbox seems pretty good to me so far. Never actually leaves my hard drive but is available for others I choose to play with. Am hoping no one ever hacks that account but I knew the risks when I put it there.

Stuff I want to make public and don't really care much about? At this point I don't particularly care which cloud has it so long as they are fairly stable.

Re:Listen to Woz (1)

slacker001 (951666) | about 4 months ago | (#46567957)

Limited shared data? Now I start wandering into the cloud and Dropbox seems pretty good to me so far. Never actually leaves my hard drive but is available for others I choose to play with. Am hoping no one ever hacks that account but I knew the risks when I put it there.

Except that at that point it truly is in The Cloud on Dropbox's servers, you just still have a copy on your local drive.

Re:Listen to Woz (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about 4 months ago | (#46569259)

Yep but at least I never lose control of a copy, even if someone else's servers also have my data now.

Re:Listen to Woz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46567781)

Agreed

and its name (2)

cellocgw (617879) | about 4 months ago | (#46564825)

They gonna call it the "uber-cloud" ?

Or maybe the "mother of all clouds" ?

Anyway, once Cisco's got it up & running, just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them. Or don't.

Re:and its name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565065)

They gonna call it the "uber-cloud" ?

Or maybe the "mother of all clouds" ?

Anyway, once Cisco's got it up & running, just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them. Or don't.

"The Cloud of Things"

Re:and its name (1)

geekmux (1040042) | about 4 months ago | (#46565469)

They gonna call it the "uber-cloud" ?

Or maybe the "mother of all clouds" ?

Anyway, once Cisco's got it up & running, just imagine a Beowulf cluster of them. Or don't.

I'd rather imagine a new training device for marketeers.

It's fairly simple, as it only requires a seasoned IT professional, a glove, and a new HR policy that allows slapping the shit out of people making up senseless words.

Re:and its name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565733)

Cloudsourcing 2.0! Social Cumulonimbus! Wide Area Intercloud Superflyway!

Stop the world; I want to get off. I'm too old for this bullshit.

Re:and its name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46567835)

"They gonna call it the "uber-cloud" ?"

That name is already in use by a project including one of the early developers of grid computing.

Everyone else is doing it (-1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 4 months ago | (#46564847)

Next we'll have Sysco offering cloud services... aside from the gassy remains of their food services

It's clouds' illusions I recall... (2)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | about 4 months ago | (#46564855)

...but I guess a Judy Collins reference outs me as older than even Cisco's management.

Re:It's clouds' illusions I recall... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565791)

Judy Collins covered it, but it's a Joni Mitchell song.

cloud-to-butt (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46564979)

Note: This thread is best experienced with the cloud-to-butt plus extension

Cisco-Powered Clouds? No thanks! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565043)

Geez...just what we need. Cisco in the cloud.

Cisco is a company that invents their own standards based on their own thinking, but sometimes on existing standards, then attempts to force the world to follow "the Cisco way".... Anybody for IGRP or EIGRP or HSRP? While the existing standards may not have all the "bells and whistles" of the similar Cisco-developed feature, at least the existing standards have a better hope of interoperating between different vendor's hardware. And Cisco-developed standards? Well they only seem to work well with Cisco hardware, but even then you have to be careful of software versions, different types of chips they use having different features, and a whole host of changes they can implement via add-in cards, licensing, software bugs, etc.

I remember an engagement where Cisco was helping us implement OSPF for a large chip manufacturer. We, and so did our customer's very talented staff of engineers (some of them designed some of the silicon used in our gear and Cisco's gear), learned that Cisco's implementation of OSPF didn't follow the published standards. Said another way, Cisco found some "creative ways" to break OSPF via obscure bugs that they were slow to fix. I saw the same issues with Cisco and OSPF at another large telecom customer that also had a very talented technical staff.

What did I learn? Cisco is the Micro$haft of the networking industry. they decide what is right for you and expect you to buy it at their over-inflated prices.

And what about Cisco's jump into the clouds? Looks like a "me too" effort on Cisco's part...not wanting to be left out. So much for Cisco being "innovators".

Will intercloud power the webernets? (2)

grahamsaa (1287732) | about 4 months ago | (#46565213)

Seriously. . . who comes up with this stuff?

Re:Will intercloud power the webernets? (1)

geekmux (1040042) | about 4 months ago | (#46565401)

Seriously. . . who comes up with this stuff?

Not sure what his name is, but I hear he lives in a van down by the intertubes.

First Meraki, now the WORLD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565225)

Cisco bought Meraki a few years ago, one of the best cloud based networking hardware innovators... The hardware and web interface has got better for sure, but I fear the support side is going downhill. I've never been happy with Cisco's crappy support, I don't see this ending well.

moooooorrrrooonnnss! (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 4 months ago | (#46565471)

Do they not know what market research is? If they asked a sample size of say...anything, they would learn that they have a reputation to be ungodly overpriced on anything that could be classified as a subscription. That could be a support plan or extended warranty or planned maintenance or, oh I don't know, cloud services maybe. Even if every last IT person on the planet knows to avoid ongoing cisco costs, by itself the company should know they're too bulky and expensive to operate. They will get undercut on cloud pricing by anything from a tiny company to Google. I hope this is the final mistake that kills cisco forever.

Re:moooooorrrrooonnnss! (1)

bob_super (3391281) | about 4 months ago | (#46566731)

Their 20% net margin and $50,000,000,000 cash reserves beg to differ with your armchair analysis...

Storm control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46565679)

With all those coulds and interclouds I hope they improved their storm control.

Cisco made a $650 million investment in my company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46566323)

Cisco bought a company where I worked for $680 million and then spent two years adding a ton of Cisco folks to the business unit who did nothing except create a Kafka-esque mess of comical proportions. After two years, nothing much got done and the added bloat made the business unit unprofitable, so they canned the entire lot. The more entertaining parts of the Cisco way was that we were required to put our build machines in a server room, but only approved hardware was allowed in the machine room. We needed to build the OSX version of the software, but no Apple equipment was approved for the machine room. The solution that we were required to implement was to hack OSX and get it working on a Dell and they were not happy when we told them that we could not legally do this. In addition, our BU had a mobile team, but Cisco would not purchase Android or iOS phones for the devs, because only execs got smartphones. The developers ended up buying their own devices. Cisco is great a throwing money around, but very poor on executing and I don't expect anything to come of this "investment".

Re:Cisco made a $650 million investment in my comp (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 4 months ago | (#46567337)

Blame apple for not having real severs anymore.

The Interclouds? (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 4 months ago | (#46566433)

Must. Resist urge to stab pencils in my eyes.

Going to surf some cyberspace on the information highway using the interweb with the internet to access some clouds within the Intercloud.

Between media and marketing speak it is getting harder and harder to distinguish between fictional and actual technical terms.

I decided long ago to only use the most ridiculous terms in protest, I get all my bits through a series of tubes on the Intertubes.

Terminology joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#46566833)

With cloud computing being a buzz work, I keep thinking that this means a network (internet) now has clouds in it. I used to think of clouds being in the sky. So.
Sky = inter Net
Dropping the = inter, we can see that what technology is evolving too is:
SkyNet

NSA's dream (1)

TheOriginalLimey (1657333) | about 4 months ago | (#46567161)

Now we just have to compromise one cloud! And once we have, we can farm out all the data analysis!

So... (1)

computational super (740265) | about 4 months ago | (#46567745)

So, they'll be sponsoring Iron Man 4 you mean?

castles in the clouds (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about 4 months ago | (#46569413)

There is nothing wrong with dreaming of castles in the clouds. The issue is, trying to move in.
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