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Julian Assange Faces Rape Investigation In Sweden — Updated

Soulskill posted about 4 years ago | from the out-of-left-field dept.

Crime 1017

mpawlo was one of many readers who have sent news that a warrant has been issued in Stockholm, Sweden for WikiLeaks founder and spokesman Julian Assange. The investigation apparently involves "one report of rape and one report of harassment." The story was broken by Swedish tabloid Expressen (original in Swedish), and later picked up by more reputable sources like CNN and the BBC, who say the warrant has been confirmed by Swedish authorities. The WikiLeaks Twitter feed has commented three times about the charges so far, first saying they were warned of 'dirty tricks,' then that they hadn't been contacted by Swedish police, and then a statement from Assange saying the charges are without basis.
Update: 08/21 15:58 GMT by S : Multiple sources are now reporting that the warrant for Assange's arrest has been withdrawn. Aftonbladet has coverage in Swedish. Chief prosecutor Eva Finne said, "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape."

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This just in (5, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | about 4 years ago | (#33322886)

The US Government plays dirty when you expose their secrets

Re:This just in (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322894)

Any enemy of the US is our friend.

Re:This just in (4, Insightful)

RsG (809189) | about 4 years ago | (#33322922)

OTOH, any charges against Assange are going to look that way, real or fabricated. Remember the old joke about conspiracy theories: if there's evidence to support them, then the truth has been uncovered, and if there's no evidence to support them, that just proves the conspirators are doing a good job of covering up.

My prediction is that this whole affair will never be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

Re:This just in (4, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | about 4 years ago | (#33322958)

It doesn't matter if it's ever resolved, or how it is. If you want to don your tin foil hat, then you can say that his character assassination has been successfully completed at this point. The fact that there is not one, but two claims both does a better job of character assassination, and makes it stick that much better. From this point forward, even if he's been cleared at a later point, there will forever be that stigma in whispered tones at the edge of conversation, "Julian Assange? I heard two girls accused him of rape".

Re:This just in (5, Funny)

Shihar (153932) | about 4 years ago | (#33322966)

In defense of the US government plant who is making the charges, he does look kind of like a rapist.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323016)

I believe the saying is Disrupt, Discredit and Destroy.

Rape? In Sweden? (5, Interesting)

mangu (126918) | about 4 years ago | (#33323066)

Crime needs three things: motive, means, opportunity.

Motive, no big deal, being a heterosexual male is enough.

Means, easy, every man comes equipped with that.

Opportunity, that's the big problem.

I have lived in Sweden and cannot say I had any difficulty in picking willing girls in bars there, and I'm not even famous like Assange.

A man with his record of fighting government corruption would have an idol status in Sweden, he would have to hire security guards to keep the girls away.

If there's one case where the accused should be presumed innocent, this is it.

Re:Rape? In Sweden? (5, Informative)

Mindjiver (71) | about 4 years ago | (#33323144)

So how do you explain the larger number of reported rapes in Sweden then?

http://www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/ [thelocal.se]

"Sweden has the highest incidence of reported rapes in Europe - twice as many as "runner up" the UK, a new study shows."

Re:Rape? In Sweden? (5, Interesting)

mikael_j (106439) | about 4 years ago | (#33323196)

Well, swedish law classifies a lot of things as "rape" that wouldn't be rape in other countries (this can be seen by looking at swedish rape statistics before and after the relevant changes to the law).

Also, from the article you linked: " The figures can however be somewhat distorted as it is often only assault rapes by strangers and aggravated acquaintance rapes that are reported in many of these countries - as was the case in Sweden 40 years ago.".

Re:Rape? In Sweden? (1)

Mindjiver (71) | about 4 years ago | (#33323254)

So unless you assault someone you dont know it is not rape then? Anyways, I was just trying to point out the ludicrous comment by mangu.

I would say that like most countries in the world no-one cares about Assange in Sweden more than the chattering classes and the /.-croud, especially random girls in a bar.

Re:Rape? In Sweden? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | about 4 years ago | (#33323236)

and so by association this implies guilt?

come on man, that's a crock. Chicago has some of the highest crime rates in the world, but that doesn't mean everyone's a criminal.

One more factor, however... (1)

h00manist (800926) | about 4 years ago | (#33323174)

The media and us spies can't control what we decide to believe or say and write. Faces hidden behind their desks, they only control whatever truths or lies newspapers print, not the rest of us.


I smell a rat and call it BS. The original story is from a tabloid, who have no reputation or scruples. Easily corrupted.
The other papers just repeat the tabloid, risking none of their reputation.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323286)

Wikileaks is supported by the European governments. Sweden does not give a dime about NATO troops and their safety because Sweden is neutral. But they seem to be very concerned about rape. I guess Margot Wallström [un.org] gave rise to the idea to charge him with rape. Didn't work well with Polanki though.

Re:This just in (5, Insightful)

cappp (1822388) | about 4 years ago | (#33322940)

And what if the allegations are real? Does that really change the substance of what's been done or the revelations that have been made? I feel like we veer away from complexity too often - people are heroes or villians, whistleblowers or rapists, good guys or jerks. We try to spin everything into a nicely packaged little modern fairy tale where someone is 100% without question evil and their actions and motivations dismissable. Sometimes people do bad things but that doesn't change what they've done before, or what they'll do after.

So there's a chance Assage committed a horrible crime. Does that really change anything about his work with WikiLeaks, questionable though it's been at times. HIs actions may contextualize prior or future events, but they cannot solely define them.

Re:This just in (1, Insightful)

laparel (930257) | about 4 years ago | (#33323014)

It doesn't change the past leaks, no. But it does question the leadership of Wikileaks and its future. If he's convicted, there'll be a need for a new figurehead; if he's acquitted on the other hand, well... let's just say it might not be wise to have a man suspected of rape and harassment to be handling leaks.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323036)

[...] if he's NOT acquitted on the other hand,

truth speaks for itself (3, Insightful)

pikine (771084) | about 4 years ago | (#33323112)

The leaks were found to be true not because of the credibility of its founder. In fact, the organization itself has had no credibility at all, only the material being leaked speaks for itself. I really don't care if Julian rapes women as a hobby. If he gets arrested, what is important is that someone must continue his work.

Re:This just in (5, Insightful)

ultranova (717540) | about 4 years ago | (#33323194)

if he's acquitted on the other hand, well... let's just say it might not be wise to have a man suspected of rape and harassment to be handling leaks.

So basically you're willing to punish him whether he's guilty or not.

This kind of shit is why I no longer take any accusation of rape or harassment seriously. It's far too easy to use baseless accusations as weapons, and there are far too many people willing to do just that. And it's people like you who are at fault for that.

By the way, I heard that laparel, Slashdot user #930257, is a rapist. No wait, I didn't, but everyone ignore that and mark him as a Foe. After all, he was once "suspected" so it wouldn't be wise to listen to him.

Re:This just in (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | about 4 years ago | (#33323054)

According to the adolescent black and white thinking of most people the answer to all of your questions above is "Yes".

Paint him as a rapist - real or not - and it discredits what he does - to many many people.

Re:This just in (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323082)

Slashfags veer from complexity because they're too fucking stupid to comprehend it. They know a few of things: comic books, sucking cocks and delivering pizza.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323212)

Is it so hard to believe that for once conspiracy freaks may actually be right? This isn't about some blurry photos of yellow dots, but real evidence of government screw-ups.

Re:This just in (3, Insightful)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | about 4 years ago | (#33323224)

Unless he's a raging alcoholic, I don't think Assange is so stupid to rape twice in a week, while the US government is looking for him and he has the attention of the world. Of course, there is a slight chance the allegations are real, but I find it very peculiar that no such charges has been made earlier. I'm with the conspiracy theorists on this one. I was fairly trusting in the 90's, but after the 00's I don't trust the industrial-military complex nor the US Government to play by the rules.

I agree about how people are usually more complex than hero/villain, though. Assange may very well have other skeletons in his closet, but - well - I think "they" picked the crime to be rape simply because it's a "he said, she said" kind of crime unless there was a huge scuffle. As such, it's perfect for character assassination - charges of rape sows the seeds of doubt in the heads of those who are not firmly behind Assange (and don't think this through).

Re:This just in (5, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | about 4 years ago | (#33323278)

What? Next you'll be arguing that it's possible that Roman Polanski is both a child-abusing rapist and a great filmmaker, that Bill Clinton is both a skilled chief executive and diplomat and a horn-dog, that Oscar Wilde was both a pederast and a great playwright, that D.W. Griffiths was both an innovative director and a racist. And we all know that's simply not possible!

Re:This just in (0, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#33322948)

I honestly don't believe they would leave so much to chance. I can believe that they would arrest him, possibly under questionable circumstances. I can also believe they would cause him to "disappear".

To me, this sounds like he slipped up. I wonder if other allegations will come out of the woodwork?

Re:This just in (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 4 years ago | (#33323002)

You're right, they wouldn't leave it to chance: If they found him, they'd likely just plant a gun on him (if he isn't carrying one) and claim they had to shoot him because he was resisting arrest for rape.

Or to put it another way: If they put the same effort into doing something about Osama bin Laden as they're putting into doing something about Julian Assange, I suspect bin Laden would be either in Gitmo or 6 feet under by now. But the again, maybe that's because Assange committed the cardinal sin of questioning the US military, whereas all Osama's done is blow up a few buildings and since then acted as a convenient Emmanuel Goldstein.

Re:This just in (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 4 years ago | (#33323124)

Dead mans switch.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323172)

You're right, they wouldn't leave it to chance: If they found him, they'd likely just plant a gun on him (if he isn't carrying one) and claim they had to shoot him because he was resisting arrest for rape.

Or to put it another way: If they put the same effort into doing something about Osama bin Laden as they're putting into doing something about Julian Assange, I suspect bin Laden would be either in Gitmo or 6 feet under by now.

Maybe he is but the military doesn't tell you ... otherwise you wouldn't finance overseas anti-terror operations anymore.

Re:This just in (4, Interesting)

Shihar (153932) | about 4 years ago | (#33323064)

It doesn't take a paranoid to see the US government (or another government) having an agent find a way to get alone with Assange for a half an hour and then accusing him of rape. Hell, just get an agent to sleep with him (he is a male, it isn't hard) and have her give it a little extra twist and now you have physical evidence of a rape. What is generally physical evidence of rape is just a vagina that has seen been used a little too hard. It is pretty trivial to fake. Rough sex will do it (easy to do if the plant is the aggressor), but you don't even need the person you intend to frame. Just grab a nearby vegetable and give yourself a few rough ins and outs when you are not in the mood and that will pretty much do it.

Framing Assange is pretty trivial.
1) Molest yourself with a dildo when you are not in the mood.
2) Seduce Assange to score yourself some physical evidence
3) Complain to the authorities
4) ???
5) Profit

We are never going to know the truth unless someone has a high quality video of the alleged rape, or the accuser is proven to have ties to an intelligence agency. There will be good reason to suspect that it is a frame (easy to do), yet no proof to the contrary.

My advice to anyone who is fucking around with the US government... tape yourself 24/7 and never for any reason turn it off. If they want to make it look like you committed a crime, it is trivial.

Re:This just in (2, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | about 4 years ago | (#33323056)

Say the US secret services wanted to get the WikiLeaks founder locked. Why not do something much simpler like planting child pornography on one of his computers?

These rape and harassment charges are trickier to fabricate. Remember, this is not the 19th century, there is plenty of forensic muscle in existence that can prove or disprove rape. And in the northern countries, criminal prosecutors are rather level-headed, and if no crime was committed, it will be known. And if crime was committed, it will be known, too.

If you play with matches... (5, Insightful)

M4n (1472737) | about 4 years ago | (#33322890)

Something like this was to be expected. I have read as much as there is but I cant see any details of victim(s) or of the crime itself. But surely surely surely he would have to be as stark staring mad as a bottle of chips to commit a crime like while running the worlds biggest whistle blowing web site. It stinks to high heaven.

Re:If you play with matches... (1)

TheEyes (1686556) | about 4 years ago | (#33322996)

I have read as much as there is but I cant see any details of victim(s) or of the crime itself. But surely surely surely he would have to be as stark staring mad as a bottle of chips to commit a crime like while running the worlds biggest whistle blowing web site.

Well, unfortunately people do have this annoying tendency to be incredibly stupid a lot of the time; it wouldn't completely surprise me to learn that Assange made either or both of these attempts because he thinks he is above the law, what with his website embarrassing some of the most powerful governments and corporations on Earth. It wouldn't be the first time a powerful or famous person decided morality or the law didn't apply to them.

On the other hand, because of said website there is huge international pressure to use any means--even blatant prosecutorial misconduct--to "get" him, so much so that regardless of his innocence or guilt it will be next to impossible for him to receive a fair trial just about anywhere. This is very much not a black and white issue, and it's sure to end with nobody being happy, except for high-priced lawyers.

Re:If you play with matches... (1)

polle404 (727386) | about 4 years ago | (#33323060)

It does have a certain pong of 'Eau de smearcampaign', I'd say.

Re:If you play with matches... (2, Insightful)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | about 4 years ago | (#33323096)

He may in fact be stark raving mad. I've said "he'd have to be monumentally stupid to really do that" too many times about too many people. I usually turn out to be wrong.

Serious lack of imagination (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322896)

The US government lacks imagination and should read more spy fiction. I am sure that the could have thrown in child porn while they were at it.

Re:Serious lack of imagination (1)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | about 4 years ago | (#33323092)

Child porn can be added later.

Hmph (4, Insightful)

chazzf (188092) | about 4 years ago | (#33322900)

Well, the BBC story says "Swedish police have been trying to contact Mr Assange, but have not yet been able to" while Wikileaks says "No-one here has been contacted by Swedish police". Pity you can't serve someone over Twitter. I agree that the timing is suspicious as hell, but after the Reiser fiasco I'm going to wait and see.

Re:Hmph (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | about 4 years ago | (#33322914)

I didn't think Reiser had any enemies with a motive for framing him, though?

Re:Hmph (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322970)

I didn't think Reiser had any enemies with a motive for framing him, though?

You obviously never read LKML!

you thought wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323012)

wasnt reisers ex into sado sexual (play? violence) together with another male who admitted to killing another female some years earlier, and who had some conflict with reiser>>? i always thought that was pretty clearly someone who could be persuaded to 'help the cause' against the best opensource filesystem.

No but that didn't stop geeks from inventing some (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 4 years ago | (#33323018)

Notice that then, as now, a large number of posters have decided that there is just no way he could have done it. With Reiser when the guilty verdict was handed down there were still plenty of people who decried how stupid the jury was, how there clearly wasn't enough evidence to find him guilty and so on... Until he confessed and gave the location of the body.

Same deal here, people have presupposed Assange's innocence because they like him. I don't mean given him the benefit of the doubt and said "Well let's see what evidence comes up," I mean saying that this is clearly an evil government plot, even though there is, of course, no evidence of that at this point.

It is just how it goes here. Geek heroes can do no wrong in the eyes of some and they'll come up with any number of reasons as to why something they did clearly must be a frame job by someone else.

As for this particular case, I'll have to see what, if anything, comes out. It could be a deliberate smear campaign against him, though I'm a bit doubtful of that as the risk of backfire would be pretty large. Could just be someone making shit up, this happens even to people who aren't well known never mind people who are. Could be he actually did it, the guy has a massive ego and questionable morals and may not have even thought he did anything wrong. We'll just have to see if anything comes of this.

Of course, the utter lack of information at this point won't stop a massive number of conspiracy theories from being posted here about how this is clearly a government frame job.

Re:No but that didn't stop geeks from inventing so (2, Insightful)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about 4 years ago | (#33323114)

This is not limited to Geek heroes. Just look at Roman Polanski and the support got from his peers.

Re:No but that didn't stop geeks from inventing so (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323138)

I love the way you twisted a justified suspicious based on "IS TO FUCKING CONVENIENCE THIS CHARGES AT THIS TIME" into "You're an idiot if you think heroes don't commit crimes"

Re:No but that didn't stop geeks from inventing so (1)

maxume (22995) | about 4 years ago | (#33323258)

I'm sort of hoping there is video, so that the denials can get really hilarious.

Re:No but that didn't stop geeks from inventing so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323270)

We need to invent a pithy expression for this sort of "I like him therefore he is right" reasoning. How about "volo hoc ergo propter hoc"?

Re:Hmph (1)

chazzf (188092) | about 4 years ago | (#33323026)

None that I'm aware of, but having enemies doesn't automatically absolve you of any potential crime. I'm more drawing the parallel that the /. instinctively protects its "own": witness the reaction to Reiser and, for that matter, the deep divisions over Terry Childs. There isn't nearly enough information at this point to make an informed judgement.

Re:Hmph (0, Offtopic)

coiaorguk (1883666) | about 4 years ago | (#33322976)

Julian Assange is a good 'C' programmer and has written software tools for Unix including a port scanner: ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/scanners/strobe/ and an encryption program called 'Marutukku' for Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberhose_(file_system) [wikipedia.org] Marutukku or 'rubberhose' as it was later called was used by doctors in Iraq in 2003/4 for storing data on abuses to Iraqi civilians who ended up in trauma. Julian is no agent, his own emails have been hacked and he warns against sending sensitive information by this route, preferring good 'ol 'snail-mail' to a PO Box No. Seeds of Deconstruction is a 'must-see.' Attorney General Dominic Grieve has sloping shoulders preferring to leave the decision to release the 'post-mortem examination report and other sensitive medical notes on David Kelly to Ken Clarke; the 'Big Society' awaits a positive outcome Mr Clarke - open government is de rigeur n'est-ce pas?

Makes no sense (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322902)

When you are hiding from FBI in another country you don't go raping and harassing people.
Maybe Julian is crazy, but he is not stupid.

Re:Makes no sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323008)

Or perhaps he felt that he has a "get out of jail free" card - slip a roofie to a couple of girls (or something), and then claim it was all a frame-up by the CIA/FBI/IRS later on. Perhaps we should wait for more info before deciding one way or the other.

Re:Makes no sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323010)

Maybe Julian is crazy, but he is not stupid.

That's what we said about Hans Reiser. Look how that turned out.

Tell That To His Dick (3, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 4 years ago | (#33323090)

I'm just sayin'

Folks here seem to believe that rape is some item on a to-do list, waiting to be ticked off.

Not saying that whole thing is not part of a Dirty Trick, just that if there IS some truth to it, rational thought has nothing to do with it.

Re:Tell That To His Dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323140)

Exactly. You cannot rationally justify a rape, be it a man on a run from FBI or not.

Re:Makes no sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323160)

Or when you behave like a child raised without parents you go about doing whatever it is you like and when you get caught you cry victim.

Re:Makes no sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323230)

child raised without parents
Should be without *parenting*

Perhaps it should be added that rock stars and athletes, other people of fame, usually have to have handlers to keep them out of this sort of trouble.

Re:Makes no sense (1)

Ztream (584474) | about 4 years ago | (#33323168)

Or perhaps it is the perfect time to do it?

This should be decided by a court, not by people on the internet.

"Enemy of the State" (0, Troll)

toriver (11308) | about 4 years ago | (#33322906)

What more needs to be said? And here I thought Sweden would act more neutral than this...

Re:"Enemy of the State" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322952)

No respectable, democratic constitutional state can dismiss accusations like this for political reasons.

Re:"Enemy of the State" (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322972)

Bah, as a swede this hurts, but essentially our government is a US lapdog. Witness the fiasco with the pirate bay for a glaring example, where the prosecution initially refused to press any charges because they felt there was no real case. Then suddenly a few months later they got the people behind it sentenced to pay record damages (1.35 M USD) AND jail time corresponding to a major case of assault and battery in a kangaroo court with the chairman being a member of several pro-copyright lobby organisations, and acquaintance of several of the legal counsels on the plaintiffs side.

I don't know about Denmark these days, but something is definitely rotten in the state of Sweden these days, and I think it was a major mistake of Mr Assange to decide to have anything to do with us.

Re:"Enemy of the State" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323216)

What do you want from the state? Not follow up on a report of a crime?
He is doesn't have diplomatic immunity, you know.

Re:"Enemy of the State" (1)

hydrofix (1253498) | about 4 years ago | (#33323190)

There's only so and so much that Sweden can do when a criminal charge is failed. The same laws that protect WikiLeaks' operations require that any criminal charges be investigated and an arrest warrant be served if there is "probable cause". I would be thrilled to hear what is the "probable cause" here, though.

Timing,,, (1)

Heed00 (1473203) | about 4 years ago | (#33322912)

Gee, the timing here is rather suspicious. While it's certainly possible that the charge is substantive one immediately has to wonder about correlation with the past and impending leaks. One must be careful of post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies, but that doesn't mean there definitely isn't a connection.

Re:Timing,,, (5, Insightful)

Oidhche (1244906) | about 4 years ago | (#33322950)

Furthermore, one has to remember that even if the accusations are true, it does not in any way invalidate Assange's work or "pro-leak" arguments. Doing so would be a simple, straight ad hominem.

Re:Timing,,, (1)

Heed00 (1473203) | about 4 years ago | (#33322964)

Excellent point.

Re:Timing,,, (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 4 years ago | (#33323084)

Well what it could do, at least for some people, is call motives in to question. Right now you see two major theories at to why he does what he does and in particular why he chose to leak a bunch of classified data which appears to have little to no public value:

1) He really believes in this "freedom and openness at all costs," thing. He is a zealot perhaps, but an idealistic one. He really thinks that the best thing for the world is to have no secrets that all information from any source should be public for all to see. What he does is not at all about him, it is about the greater good, about making the world a better place. He believes that what he does is necessary.

2) He's an egomaniac with questionable morals who likes puff himself up be getting the better of people and exposing them. He leaks indiscriminately, including documents of no real value (like sorority secrets) because it gets him attention, power, and gives him a thrill. All the "public good" stuff is just bullshit, he doesn't really care, it is all about him and his ego.

Well, if he actually committed a rape, it would indicate that #2 is more likely. You obviously have to have some twisted morals to want to rape someone and ego and power are a big part of it. It is as much about exerting your will on another as the sexual gratification. So it would be an indicator that indeed his work on Wikileaks was for self centered reasons.

Now even if he did it all for selfish reasons that doesn't mean that you are required to find it worthless. You could certainly say "I don't care why he did it *I* believe it is valuable and necessary, and a good thing for society." The value needs to be evaluated independent of anything he says or does and nay reasons he has.

Re:Timing,,, (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323244)

Even more so is the fact that there are two girls that have been raped. I see two possibilities:

1. The guy went on a raping tour of Sweden. That happens sometimes. Who knows.
2. The girls were given an offer they couldn't refuse by assets of the western intelligence community. That also happens, unfortunately.

Character assasination in progress (3, Interesting)

Holammer (1217422) | about 4 years ago | (#33322920)

Assange is too high profile to kill off. Cue the rape/childporn/furry accusations.

Re:Character assasination in progress (4, Insightful)

Jerry (6400) | about 4 years ago | (#33322992)

If this is a false accusation, and I believe it is, I would also suspect that agents would be assigned to astroturf media sites with posts supporting the accusations and charges.

Re:Character assasination in progress (3, Insightful)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | about 4 years ago | (#33323058)

That could be. It could also be that paranoia cascades out of control.

while disturbing to Assange (0)

BradyB (52090) | about 4 years ago | (#33322926)

While it could be fabricated it, could well be true. Let's see how it works out. People in touble almost always deny, deny deny, but in the end the truth wins out.

Re:while disturbing to Assange (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322988)

Somebody should leak the pictures of that night through some kind of wistleblower site.

Re:while disturbing to Assange (1)

BradyB (52090) | about 4 years ago | (#33323044)

Somebody should leak the pictures of that night through some kind of wistleblower site.

You mean like /.?

Funny aspect of this (5, Interesting)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | about 4 years ago | (#33322932)

According to the article the two women did not actually accuse him of rape, only that they asked the police for guidance relating to what allegedly happened.

This point is rather interesting, as in e.g. Norway (which has very similar legal system) you can and often will get a year or more prison sentence if you knowingly falsely accuse someone of rape.

Two against one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323006)

According to the article the two women did not actually accuse him of rape, only that they asked the police for guidance relating to what allegedly happened.

This point is rather interesting, as in e.g. Norway (which has very similar legal system) you can and often will get a year or more prison sentence if you knowingly falsely accuse someone of rape.

Looks more dodgy by the second... The word of two women against one man...

What's the bet they were put up to it by a mysterious third party...

Re:Funny aspect of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323042)

I'd have trouble getting it up with the us government on my back. Assange I think did the following: killed Jesus, set on fire black churches, insulted o'riely, doesn't brush his teeth and hosts a do it yourself idiot guide to abortion in Arizona.

Re:Funny aspect of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323068)

Come on, everyone knows it. These women does not exist.
What baffles me however is how the Swedes can accuse someone of rape without actually having the women come forward. I mean, "They're afraid to come forward due to his power position". He's a whistleblower, not a super villain.

Re:Funny aspect of this (2, Insightful)

HertzaHaeon (1164143) | about 4 years ago | (#33323240)

Assange is also the hero of many internet-savvy geeks, some of which who could easily make life very difficult for these women, regardless of whether they were actually raped or not. A lot of people are going to see this as some kind of conspiracy and the women are probably aware of it. You can't dismiss this so easily until we know more.

News For Nerds (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322946)

Please stick to real news for nerds, editors. This story has no relevance to this site. Since when do rape allegations of anybody else make the front page of slashdot?

The trick is to get him into custody (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33322962)

The fact that the us is playing dirty is like saying hitler was a bad man. First get him into custody then expect to hear that his trial isscheduled in the year 2150 in Syria. Bush said nevermind Osama, the pentagon admitted there were no weapons in iraq. Sleep well America, you will wake up in what's already becoming a military dictatorship. The sad part is it does nothing to arrest Julian since he doesn't know his sources and he couldn't stop wikileaks even if he wanted. The only wistleblower to expose the UBS scam is the only person doing time because the UBS CEO is playing golf with Barrack Osama. Good night America and good riddance. Anyone who wants to emigrate from that country north of a big oil leak is welcome in my home.

In some ways the damage is done (5, Insightful)

johnhp (1807490) | about 4 years ago | (#33322990)

In some ways it doesn't matter if he's never convicted of these charges. Mouthpieces like Rush Limbaugh will be able to call him a "rapist and molester" and convince many that any information from Wikileaks is a lie.

Re:In some ways the damage is done (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323102)

In some ways it doesn't matter if he's never convicted of these charges. Mouthpieces like recovering drug addict and confessed fraud Rush Limbaugh will be able to call him a "rapist and molester" and convince many that any information from Wikileaks is a lie.

Fixed that for you.

Re:In some ways the damage is done (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323222)

It was exactly the same with Jackson. The kid, now 18 or more admitted to press from his new swimming pool that he was instructed to lie by his father. This never made the papers though. We are doomed to live on this planet with unenlightened halfwits and will be labeled under the same category as a group. The BSD slogan "arrogant BSD elitist" stands for just his minority for which 2+2 always equals 4 and no one can convince them otherwise. When will this awakening of people happen when there's no need for martyrs like Assange cause there are no dumb people to be tricked?

Every newscast from now on: (5, Insightful)

Animal Farm Pig (1600047) | about 4 years ago | (#33322998)

In other news, accused rapist, Julian Assange, has released new documents on his WikiLeaks website...

Off course, Assange, Raping two girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323000)

That is so like him. He needs to do that really.

Random Sociopath (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323024)

Julian Assange is just another random sociopath that's trolled his way into the headlines.

Justice is done.

I thought Child Porn (4, Insightful)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 4 years ago | (#33323038)

I assumed they were going to nail him with child porn. But I guess when they went to put it on his computer they discovered that his computer security was off the scale.

If I were the judge on this one I would accept no evidence short of a witness such as Nelson Mandela. I hope they solidly investigate his accusers to check what they have been up to for the last while and see if they have any relations to US interests or large payoffs.

Re:I thought Child Porn (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323184)

Don't count on that. We have a thoroughly politicized police and court system run by psychopaths, cowards and opportunists. Once the powers that be have decided to get you, you have no chance whatsoever.

So what was his motive! (-1, Troll)

bananaendian (928499) | about 4 years ago | (#33323040)

1. piss off the establishment and make yourself a counterculture hero
2. rape anyone you like and claim any accusations are a conspiracy
3. have the internet hail you as a wronged savior and get away with it.

If only we had listened to the CIA...

If only we had listened to the CIA... (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 4 years ago | (#33323154)

I think I just have... you guys used to be a lot better at it. TWO girls? For ONE nerd? Who is ever going to believe that?

Sounds like District 9 (2, Interesting)

Nailer235 (1822054) | about 4 years ago | (#33323050)

All they need to do now is Photoshop him having sex with one of the prawn and it will be the largest international manhunt in the world.

Not true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323062)

It's not true until Netcraft confirms it!

Hmm (1)

florescent_beige (608235) | about 4 years ago | (#33323086)

Isn't that convenient.

Was it a child? (2, Informative)

smchris (464899) | about 4 years ago | (#33323088)

You know -- we have to get Assange "for the children." That would be the first thought going after a web site, wouldn't it?

Seriously, wouldn't put it past the U.S. government. There is precedent from the sixties with the Marianne Faithful/Mick Jagger "Mr. Jagger was apprehended eating a Snickers bar from Marianne's pussy" incident that Faithful goes into in detail in her first autobiography. Not true and the guy who got them the acid before the raid was an American they didn't know very well. Mick was giving some thought toward politics at the time. And one can Google for Jean Seberg + FBI for that incident around the same time.

Sweden is a strange place (5, Interesting)

WimanX (1883672) | about 4 years ago | (#33323130)

In Sweden you can get an rape investigation on you for nothing. Its an well known fact and well used tactic in divorce cases, where the wifes charges the husband of rape, and thus the wife get soil custofy of the child

I don't care what happens to this asshole (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323134)

He is a publciity seeking whoee who doesnt give a fuck about the effects of his actions.
So fuck him, he deserves this.

Fair investigation and trial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323164)

Any guilty verdict will be even more suspicious after stuff like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Quick as well. In Sweden, if the attorneys want someone to be guilty badly enough, they will be found guilty.

He was, "...arrested in his absence..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33323192)

The translated article says, "Last night he was arrested in his absence by Swedish prosecutors..."

Is that bad translation or does Sweden possess some kind of inter dimensional nexus through which they can apply laws of physics which the rest of us are so far unfamiliar with.

Did they even consider (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about 4 years ago | (#33323206)

what wikileaks would become like without Julian Assange? Without him, much less controlled and hence more dangerous variants of whistleblower sites may emerge. We can all just wait for the first anonymized peer-to-peer whistleblower programs to appear.

Proper response (5, Informative)

Krahar (1655029) | about 4 years ago | (#33323214)

The proper response to such allegations is not to dismiss them out of hand as a government plot. The proper response is to assume and treat him as completely innocent until such a time that he is found guilty in a court of law - at that point you may want to look into the case to see if the jury was crazy or reasonable. Until then nothing should change to the extent that a "not guilty" verdict should be as if no new information was given. An allegation should be both taken seriously and not believed until it has been verified. That's the proper response. Now of course humans just aren't built to behave like that. If you can't maintain this stance, then you have to choose between being suspicious of him or saying that you are sure the allegations are false. In that choice it's pretty clear that the preponderance of evidence so far is to dismiss the claims. We have no evidence to look at.

In with (1, Funny)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about 4 years ago | (#33323238)

What can you expect? Can you really trust a guy with "Ass" in his last name?

Another Hans Reiser? (1, Insightful)

Xenna (37238) | about 4 years ago | (#33323268)

JA seems really attracted to standing in the limelight. He may well have a narcissistic tendency. Just my impression from seeing him in video's and pictures. It's unusual for such people to commit rape or violence when facing rejection.

OTOH, this has to be proven first. I find it highly unlikely that these accusations have been fabricated to damage wikileaks. That would be much too obvious in such a case.

It's not the first time someone from the free software/free information movement has been accused of something like this

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