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Blagojevich Appears At Chicago Comic Con

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the bottom-of-the-barrel-villian dept.

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theodp writes "Earlier this week, a federal jury convicted Former Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich of lying to the FBI and deadlocked on 23 other charges. Still, that didn't stop Blago from connecting with his 'loyal supporters' Saturday at the Chicago Comic Con, where the ex-Gov charged $80 for each photo taken with him and $50 for autographs. He even hob-knobbed with celebrities like Adam West and Richard Roundtree. 'I met Batman. I met Shaft, and I know something about getting the shaft,' Blagojevich said."

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171 comments

Getting the shaft? (3, Insightful)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331778)

Oh, you're gonna know something about getting the shaft, all right. The shaft, head, balls, the whole thing. Blag is unbelievable. He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.

Re:Getting the shaft? (2, Informative)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331812)

He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.

It appears based on the jury results that there is at least one other person in the country who wasn't convinced. In spite of what you may believe to be the facts of the case, US law does say that for these charges a unanimous jury verdict is required to convict the accused.

Re:Getting the shaft? (4, Interesting)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331828)

It appears based on the jury results that there is at least one other person in the country who wasn't convinced

Or perhaps was "convinced" to not be convinced...

Re:Getting the shaft? (2, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331984)

Blago is your standard corrupt Chicago politician.

Remember, this is same the city where the dead rise to vote on a yearly basis.

Zombie constituents (3, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332190)

Blago is your standard corrupt Chicago politician. Remember, this is same the city where the dead rise to vote on a yearly basis.

They should put up a candidate with the surname "Brain" then. Or "Brainsssssss". He'd win a landslide....

Well, assuming he didn't get his.... well, brains eaten, that is.

Re:Zombie constituents (2, Funny)

fizzup (788545) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333390)

They should put up a candidate with the surname "Brain" then. Or "Brainsssssss". He'd win a landslide....

Well, assuming he didn't get his.... well, brains eaten, that is.

I don't think that would be an impediment to victory...

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

Darby (84953) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332720)

It's also the State whose previous Governor is still incarcerated. We're really hoping Blago and Ryan get to share a cell and Ryan pimps Blago's ass for a pack of smokes on his first day ;-)

Re:Getting the shaft? (3, Interesting)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331858)

The man was obviously corrupt as shit out of a whore's ass. How much would you like to bet that there was jury tampering involved here?

Re:Getting the shaft? (3, Insightful)

Tassach (137772) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332442)

You don't understand the mentality of straight-party-ticket voters.

It doesn't matter what THEIR guys do, only what the OTHER team's guys do. The attitude is, "Well, he might be a crook but he's OUR crook".

I've been involved in state politics. It's unbelievable. I've seen guys with FELONY FRAUD CONVICTIONS get re-nominated time and again for their state House of Representative seat because they have the weight of the local political machine behind them (and, presumably, because they've got dirt on somebody higher up).

It happens at the national level, too. The only thing that can come up with that explains Michael Steele's continued tenure at the helm of the GOP after strippergate and all the other scandals is that he's got the key to a closet full of skeletons.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332600)

There's a substantial difference between voting in a booth and voting on a jury. In a booth, no one can see how you vote. On a jury, the other jurors can go to the judge and say, "This woman isn't considering the evidence and isn't following the law." It takes a lot more chutzpah to do something that brazen.

Re:Getting the shaft? (2, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332824)

On a jury, the other jurors can go to the judge and say, "This woman isn't considering the evidence and isn't following the law." It takes a lot more chutzpah to do something that brazen.

Actually, short of getting into a major fistfight, it's very rare and difficult [google.com] for anyone to get tossed off of a jury, even if there is an alternate still available. Most of the time it requires someone getting physically violent. Only in the most rare circumstances - a juror sits in the corner, states something that should have been enough to have them removed before trial began but which they failed to bring up when the Judge asked the standard "is there any other reason you feel you cannot render a fair verdict?" - can a judge remove the juror otherwise. So as odd as it sounds, as long as the juror who was deliberately there to rig the verdict for Blagojevich kept talking, there's nothing that could be done once she'd managed to slip into the jury.

Once you are down to 12 jurors, the judge doesn't have room to toss anyone - should a juror need to be removed (major illness req. hospitalization, physical violence, etc) the only other option is to declare a mistrial without reaching any verdict at all.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332962)

Doesn't a juror who has his/her mind made up, regardless of the facts or arguments of the other jurors, constitute someone who's failing to deliberate?

I mean, maybe I'm being too idealistic here, but it shocks and saddens me that it's this easy to buy a verdict, and it kind of makes me wonder: If it really works this way, how does anyone, anywhere, ever get convicted, if their attorney has an IQ even slightly above room temperature?

Re:Getting the shaft? (0, Troll)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332748)

The only thing that can come up with that explains Michael Steele's continued tenure at the helm of the GOP after strippergate and all the other scandals is that he's got the key to a closet full of skeletons.

You're forgetting the heyday the NAACP/Democrat Party's cronies in the mainstream broadcast media would have with the headline "GOP fires black guy."

Re:Getting the shaft? (3, Insightful)

DavidTC (10147) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332858)

While I generally believe you, and I don't doubt that Steele knows some stuff, I suspect a better explanation for him is that Republicans have no idea how to cope with race.

For the longest time, the right has complained bout 'racial quotas' and stuff, and I though they were just ginning up anger, but they're serious.

They simply cannot judge people of other race based on their merits, on their skills, on, as MLKj put it, the content of their characters. They look at a black person and they don't see 'good leader' or 'bad leader', they see 'black person'. If they are forced to hire black people they will, indeed, select them randomly.

With Steele, they managed to do that to their boss, which is just outright hilarious.

Of course, it didn't help that the pool of black people willing to work for the Republicans was pretty low to start with.

I don't doubt that there are a lot of skeletons in various closets, but I suspect that they wouldn't let Micheal Steele have access to them that fast. (OTOH, he did apparently know about the lesbian strip club.)

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

GiveBenADollar (1722738) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331876)

The problem with cases like these is that the politician distances himself from the actual wrongdoing. It's the aids and other staffers that are making the deals, because they are both less likely to be prosecuted and easier to throw under the bus. It's not that surprising that Blagojevich was only convicted of one charge, it was the one charge he could not completely distance himself from. It's hard to prove someone was lying unless you have proof that they know the truth.So a politician can be dirty as sin, but so long as he has plausable deniability about the actions going on in his office he is still squeaky clean at trial.

Re:Getting the shaft? (4, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332014)

Did you read the comments from the lone juror holdout? Who "just happened" to be a state employee, "just happened" to have worked on Blago's campaign, and was probably guaranteed a spot on someone else's campaign staff in the future as payoff for hanging the jury?

This is just typical Chicago corruption as usual.

Re:Getting the shaft? (5, Interesting)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332088)

How in the hell was someone like that not excluded from the jury?? Was the prosecutor in on the whole thing???

Re:Getting the shaft? (5, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332214)

Welcome to the land of "jury selection [google.com] ."

Essentially, each side only gets so many challenges. They can try to challenge for cause, but they get only a few "peremptory challenges" (removing someone they are worried about without saying why). Further, the peremptory challenges are restricted because you have to be extremely careful [findlaw.com] about striking certain people lest someone scream about "racism", "sexism", "ageism", etc.

Most likely, since the woman was not a "direct employee of Blagojevich", the judge ruled that she couldn't be struck from the jury with cause even though she was one of his former campaign workers, since campaign work is often a paid position and they could argue that it was "just a job." That would have meant that it would burn a peremptory challenge to get her removed, and there were probably some people the prosecution wanted on the jury even less that they'd already used all their peremptories on.

The other thing that potential tampered/"ringer" jurors trying to slip into a case like this will pull is trying to put themselves at the back of the line. Remember, voir dire works in sequential order, either one juror at a time or banks-of-twelve at a time. If the prosecution had already used up all their peremptories by the time she came up in the process, they were stuck with her.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332346)

Thanks for the link. I find the whole thing nauseating. What it basically says to me is that a clever defendant will always be able to hang a jury. It's a shame that common sense can't prevail, and that a juror like that can't be shown the door, by the judge, in the interest of a fair trial. Why even give both sides a certain number of challenges? If there are valid reasons to keep someone off the jury, both sides should be able to challenge every single person who's brought up, and the judge should decide whether it's valid to exclude them or not.

Re:Getting the shaft? (2, Informative)

mdmkolbe (944892) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332368)

If the prosecution had already used up all their peremptories by the time she came up in the process, they were stuck with her.

Really? When I was called for jury service, the layers declared their peremptories after they interviewed all the potential jurors.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332412)

They do, however they also presumably get to have jurors dismissed for cause, and in this case that seems like about as blatant a cause as any. The reason why they get those for cause choices is so that they can have problem jurors removed, as in jurors that are more than just undesirable removed.

Re:Getting the shaft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33331940)

He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.

It appears based on the jury results that there is at least one other person in the country who wasn't convinced. In spite of what you may believe to be the facts of the case, US law does say that for these charges a unanimous jury verdict is required to convict the accused.

And look, instead of accepting that maybe the case wasn't ironclad, folks would rather leap to the accusation of jury tampering.

But you know what? I wasn't on the jury, and I remain unconvinced of his guilt. Maybe he sinned, but sinning is not the same as committing a crime. The standards are far lower, and the judgments far more permanent.

Re:Getting the shaft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332194)

Did you hear the recordings of Blagojevich? He may not have been convicted in court, but if you are not convinced that he's guilty of corruption, influence peddling and misuse of office, then you are a sucker.

Re:Getting the shaft? (4, Insightful)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331952)

Yeah, a former state employee from Chicago voted not to convict the former state governor from Chicago. Shocking? No. This is Chicago we're talking about. She probably also voted for him four times in each of his two elections for governor in the first place.

If they want a truly fair trial for him, they need to move it to another federal district. If they want a sure conviction, they should move it somewhere in Illinois south of Interstate 80.

Re:Getting the shaft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332040)

If they want a truly fair trial for him, they need to move it to another federal district. If they want a sure conviction, they should move it somewhere in Illinois south of Interstate 80.

Perhaps the parts of Illinois where they'd convict Jesus and Gandhi if you told them they were Democrats?

Re:Getting the shaft? (0, Troll)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332586)

Perhaps the parts of Illinois where they'd convict Jesus and Gandhi if you told them they were Chicago Democrats?

FTFY

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

Rivalz (1431453) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333328)

While in the eyes of the law you are not guilty unless you have been convicted.
How many truly guilty people get convicted? It is completely different to prove someone's guilt.
The way I look at it is if they had a big enough jury and needed unanimous verdict I could get away with anything.

chutzpah (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331974)

Something that seems to be too prevalent among politicians today, both locally and nationally. He is displaying nothing less than many of those in Congress or White House (as in certain Chairmen who were would have been in jail concerning their IRS problems if they were mere "voters). No, its the problem of the political class, they feel immune because they control the laws and worse they have enough lackeys among large organizations that get out the word. Hell, look at the even more recent Countrywide revelations, sweetheart deals all the way.

Vote Democratic or Republican and you get what you deserve, as soon as people start to realize both sides are equally bad and there is no such thing as voting for the lesser of two evils we might get somewhere.

Re:chutzpah (4, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332114)

This is why we should vote for the greater evil. True villains don't have the time to waste on petty scandals.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

jmitchel!jmitchel.co (254506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331986)

I think he's slimy as eternity is long, and deserves to be in prison on straight principle. But going into the trial I wasn't convinced that the government had a case. Without sitting through the trial I'd hesitate to say one way or the other.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332186)

They will probably have to separate Blago from the general prison population for his own safety. A nice white guy like him wouldn't last long in most American prisons or at least not without the sort of bargain being referenced by the parent above.

Re:Getting the shaft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332284)

What is up with the mod points? I have been given 15 points two days running.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332356)

He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.

He knows he's guilty, but he thinks that if he lies often enough then people will believe that he's innocent. He's a pathological liar.

Does Blago feel guilty? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332448)

Oh, you're gonna know something about getting the shaft, all right. The shaft, head, balls, the whole thing. Blag is unbelievable. He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.

The real question is whether or not he is capable of feeling guilt.

Re:Getting the shaft? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333230)

One thing I don't get is why people would pay $80 for a photo of him, other than maybe a press bureau. Is it because he's the hair model of the Lego minifigs?

WTF? (5, Insightful)

mfh (56) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331790)

I can't be the only one who is wondering what the fuck this guy is doing at a comic book gathering. Are comic books becoming circus acts and carnivals now?

My childhood is at risk here, fellas.

Re:WTF? (4, Funny)

skids (119237) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331946)

He's a clown. It's is natural instinct to search out the nearest carnival-like environment. Preferably one with lots of rolling cameras.

He belongs there! (3, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332054)

See, he's sitting in the Batmobile.

Now, look at his name "Blagojevich".

Remove the vowels...."Blgjvch"

And....TA DA! Batman villain! He's incognito, though. When he's in his villain mode, he wears a brightly colored suit with skin tight pants with both political party's symbols all over it.

There's many more like him. And there's another political villain called "Three face" - he's a Conservative, then a Liberal, and then a Centrist.

They're out there and only Batman can save us!

Re:He belongs there! (3, Funny)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332438)

Damn, if only Adam We weren't so busy trying to figure out who was stealing his water.

Re:WTF? (1)

camg188 (932324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332200)

His haircut is comical.

Re:WTF? (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332614)

Wizard World conventions are carnivals. Avoid at all costs.

Comics columnist Rich Johnston was there, and asked The Blag about him being at a "comic con": whether it was because he saw a future for himself as a "comic" or as a "con". [bleedingcool.com] The Blag caught the joke, and laughed it off, apparently still certain of his own invulnerability.

Re:WTF? (1)

wakingrufus (904726) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332878)

It's not enough he ruined my state, he has to ruin my comic-con now too...

Re:WTF? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333474)

It's not enough he ruined my state,

He's a Democrat. What did you expect?

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33333314)

Blagojevich lives in a fantasy world, and fancies himself a superhero. This is probably why he wanted to be at comic con.

Is a party switch coming up? (-1, Flamebait)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331792)

Blagojevich sure loves to blame his problems on the media, which generally isn't in the playbook of the party he ran under - although it is very much in the playbook of the other party.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33331888)

Ah yes, draw party lines... stereotype a person into that. That's the best way to pick a representative when it comes voting time.

Honestly, I don't know what party he is, nor do I care. But what you are doing is childish and asinine.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331894)

really? cause I can't remember a day where there wasn't some liberal politician crying about fox news.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33331950)

really? cause I can't remember a day where there wasn't some liberal politician crying about fox news.

re-read it. he said *the media*

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332282)

fox news doesnt count as "the media" its more along the lines of entertainment a la the onion

http://www.theonion.com/ [theonion.com]

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (3, Informative)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332540)

Rupert Murdoch just made a huge donation to the Republican party to elect Republican candidates in gubernatorial races. He's also an individual who's been known to bribe the odd politician here and there. When he purchased his American media holdings, he wasn't at the time legally allowed to do it due to a ban on foreign ownership of the media. A suspiciously large book advance to Newt Gingrich and a bit latter he's legally owning a media conglomerate. And since then his "news" organization has been overtly advocating for conservative candidates, which is an absolute no-no for a news organization to do.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331910)

which generally isn't in the playbook of the party he ran under - although it is very much in the playbook of the other party.

What other party? Trying to draw a meaningful distinction between the lying democans and the lying republicrats is the joke.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331970)

which generally isn't in the playbook of the party he ran under - although it is very much in the playbook of the other party.

What other party? Trying to draw a meaningful distinction between the lying democans and the lying republicrats is the joke.

While the political platforms of the two parties have reached a point of being nearly interchangeable, the tactics still have a slight distinction.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332550)

Um, the Republicans are fascists and the Democrats are centrists. You can't have the kind of seriously polarized political environment if both sides are completely identical.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33333134)

With sufficient stupidity, anything is possible.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

PaulBu (473180) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333664)

"seriously polarized political environment"? Really? Which just happens to be split right at the middle, 50/50, with statistical fluctuations deciding which side will be in power for the next 4 years, do you think this is not intentional? With "major" proclaimed policy differences between two sides boiling down to things like abortion, gun rights, gay marriage -- topics very emotional and relevant to tiny percentage of voters, but blown out of proportion.

Why not discuss monetary policy? Imperialism? War overseas? Hey, distinguish yourself by denouncing internal "Wars" (drugs, terror, etc.).

No, it is basically down to abortion vs. gun rights, make your pick, and do not ask any deeper questions.

Paul B.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331966)

It's Chicago. It's one corrupt political machine vs. another corrupt political machine. The last governor of Illinois before Blagojevich served federal time for corruption himself and was a Republican.

Re:Is a party switch coming up? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332436)

I dunno, there does seem to be a real difference:

Democrats lie during the process, bringing in dead voters and tampering with elections, voter intimidation, and whatnot, then carry out the Democratic agenda when they get into office.

Republicans lie about their intentions, getting elected on the false pretense that they're for smaller governemnent, and whatnot, then carry out the Democratic agenda when they get into office....

With almost universal knowledge (1)

Quila (201335) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332492)

That Chicago politicians are usually corrupt, how the hell did we elect a Chicago politician as president?

Re:With almost universal knowledge (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332646)

Airlifting Obama out of Chicagoland to Washington was a rescue mission.

Re:With almost universal knowledge (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333788)

Well, it was an attempt at a rescue mission, but Chicago is still in deep shit.

The machine has deep roots, and excising one crook, albeit to put him in a 'higher office' doesn't change that.

Blago and Entertainment (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331810)

If Blagojevich wants to entertain, I say he and Tom DeLay should be dropped on a deserted island to fight to the death in a televised event. The survivor would get a comfy pillow in his jail cell and a coupon for a free McDonald's happy meal. Get your popcorn and get ready to rumble!

Re:Blago and Entertainment (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331982)

Nah. We should make it an all-convicted-governors bash. George Ryan, Rod Blagojevich, Dan Walker, and Otto Kerner (except Otto Kerner already died and so needs to be disqualified).

Corruption in Chicago area politics is nothing new, and it making its way into the governor's office is nothing new, either.

Re:Blago and Entertainment (1)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332874)

except Otto Kerner already died and so needs to be disqualified

Exactly. Now that he's dead, he's eligible to vote in Chicago's elections which would give unfair advantage to Blago.

oh yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33331824)

"and I know something about getting the shaft"

you're going to know a whole lot more about it after the retrial.

Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

hessian (467078) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331852)

I don't believe Blagojevich was innocent. I think he was found not guilty. But he's not alone.

This article from 2009 illustrates what I mean:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B74AI20091208 [reuters.com]

The USA is facing a silent wave of corruption, eroding our institutions from within. Normally, I'd disparage alarmist panic, but in this case, I think it's legitimate because it's rising along with the other symptoms of a nation decaying to third-world levels of disorganization:

* Oligarchy
* Corruption
* Debt
* Crime
* Urban decay

My man Plato/Socrates noted this cycle of decaying civilizations in Greece long ago: when they start going downhill, it's a path through third-world levels of disorganization and dysfunction that allows tyrants to take power.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

halowolf (692775) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331904)

Well "Not guilty" and "Innocent" are 2 different legal terms that many people get confused over, as Judge Judy likes to point out.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

ivan_w (1115485) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332222)

I was under the impression that for a correct application of common law and/or civil law, you were innocent until proven guilty..

So to me, "innocent" is true unless a "guilty" status is achieved. Therefore "Not Guilty" is a sufficient condition to name the defendant "innocent".

Of course, "not guilty" doesn't mean acquitted, so a retrial is possible without risking double jeopardy. (but he still has an "Innocent" status).

But IANAL of course.

--Ivan

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

ivan_w (1115485) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332268)

Forget it..

Of course..

Not Guilty "Implies" Innocent
Innocent "Does NOT imply" Not Guilty

Duh !

--Ivan

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332476)

No, courts get 3 choices, guilty, not guilty and mistrial. Not guilty means that the jury decided that the prosecution didn't meet the legal requirements for a guilty verdict, it does not now nor has it ever been the same thing as innocent. Sure many, and hopefully most are innocent, but it just means that the evidence wasn't sufficiently compelling to warrant a guilty verdict.

Once you're found to be guilty, the focus of the courts turns to the proceedings as you're now legally guilty whether or not you really did anything wrong. Which can come back to bite you on the ass if you later want to serve in the military, even if you were ultimately cleared, they may still hold it against you.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331942)

Is facing? Corruption, especially in Chicago and New York has been widespread for generations. Look up the Chicago Machine for example.

Crime in the US overall continues to fall 4-8% depending on the type.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0524/US-crime-rate-is-down-six-key-reasons [csmonitor.com]

Excluding Detroit and New Orleans, what cities are suffering from urban decay?

National debt is up, but personal saving rates are up.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Savings-Rate-zacks-3817749700.html?x=0&.v=1 [yahoo.com]

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332024)

Excluding Detroit and New Orleans, what cities are suffering from urban decay?

Let's see, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Gary, Atlanta, Miami, Birmingham, St. Louis, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles...I could name more, but eh, I don't want to look up the little cities falling apart across the country.

I think it'd be harder to find a city that wasn''t.

Urbanization isn't exactly the desirable thing it's made out to be, even if Robert Silverberg wants to tell you so.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (4, Informative)

mr_mischief (456295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33331990)

He was not found not guilty. He was convicted on one of 24 counts and the jury deadlocked on 23 counts. A deadlocked jury doesn't count as an acquittal or a conviction, and he can (and most likely will) be retried on 23 counts.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (4, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332068)

I heard on NPR that the judge declared a mistrial with regards to the remaining 23 accounts and has ordered a retrial. Of course, going into that with wide-spread public knowledge of the other conviction, plus constantly pulling stunts like this, isn't really going to help him. Although, I think the big question is, who would pay $80 to get their picture taken with this greasy douchebag?

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332242)

Who would pay $80 to get their picture taken with this greasy douchebag?

If they'd be able to get away with it, some guy with a cream pie to apply to Blago's face first.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332698)

He's a US politician. Offer him enough cash and he'll let you do anything you want with that cream pie...yes, yes, even the thing with the Sailor Moon costume.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332728)

I heard on NPR that the judge declared a mistrial with regards to the remaining 23 accounts and has ordered a retrial. Of course, going into that with wide-spread public knowledge of the other conviction, plus constantly pulling stunts like this, isn't really going to help him. Although, I think the big question is, who would pay $80 to get their picture taken with this greasy douchebag?

If he was just a greasy douchebag, it'd be one thing, but he's also a real character. So is Roland Burris; I'd want my picture with both of them.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33333294)

>> Although, I think the big question is, who would pay $80 to get their picture taken with this greasy douchebag?

Someone simultaneously laundering money and buying influence with Blago's mob.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

shma (863063) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332250)

And from basic logic [wikipedia.org] , not not guilty is the same thing as guilty. So logically, he must be guilty if he's not not guilty.

I rest my case.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332000)

I don't believe Blagojevich was innocent. I think he was found not guilty.

or, the actual truth. which is that the jury deadlocked on the other charges, which is in the "none of the above" category.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332086)

And yet, Greece is still there, and still enjoying a pretty decent quality of life overall.

In a few hundred years, I'd wager that America will still be here, still in decline. We were in decline when that crazy president freed all the slaves. We were in decline when the Communists were infiltrating our government and industries. We were in decline while jobs were outsourced overseas. Now we're in decline because politicians are corrupt.

Hyperbole aside, I think that what we're facing now is very similar to the McCarthy crusade. We see a few corrupt investors/politicians/executives, and start investigating others. As usually happens under increased scrutiny, more are found. The cycle continues until a new threat grabs the public attention, and all the while the media (and people talking to the media) claim that "America's values are eroding away!"

Are there more corrupt investors/politicians/executives than ever before? Probably. Is there a higher percentage? Probably not. Humans have a tendency to see the past as being superior, while forgetting that the past had its own troubles. As a species, we've screwed up a lot, and this is just another screw-up.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332452)

He wasn't found not guilty, the judge had to declare a mistrial on quite a few of the other counts, and he was convicted on one. He'll go to prison where he belongs, it's just a question of how many of the other charges stick for the next go round. Which likely will be a substantial number seeing as he won't have the funds for anything other than a public defender. Presumably that's what his appearance at the comic show was about.

Re:Corruption threatens "soul and fabric" of U.S. (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332706)

I think he was found not guilty.

No, he was not found guilty.

To clarify with parentheses:
You said "found (not guilty)" which is incorrect.
I said "not (found guilty)" which is correct.

The hung jury/mistrial means his guilt on the 23 counts is currently indeterminate. Schrödinger's catbox has not been successfully opened.

It seems our rules don't apply (0, Flamebait)

kaaona (252061) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332002)

If Blago didn't bribe a juror, then someone else did. Not the first time that's happened in Chicago, and it won't be the last. A lot of politicians from Chicago seem to think the only thing that can hurt them is Kryptonite.

mod 0P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332008)

You down. It was recent Sys ADmin than 7his BSD box,

he's delusional (1)

sribe (304414) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332056)

It's a powerful insight into his personality that he keeps using the word "vindicate" to describe 11/12 people voting to convict, with the 12th not quite convinced the prosecution proved the case. Also, that he claims that he is certain that a second trial will exonerate him, in other words he expects to improve from 1/12 to 12/12 by re-telling the same story in a slightly different way, and that he will then return to politics and run for office again.

Robin (1)

PmanAce (1679902) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332082)

He might have met Batman, but in jail, he will definitely be someone's Robin...

Re:Robin (1)

lorg (578246) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332134)

Don't people like him get sent to "Club Fed" and not your standard drop the soap prison.

He didn't do anything that the rest of them don't (1)

moxley (895517) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332248)

The guy may be slimy, but what he did is business as usual in American politics - particularly in Chicago.....

He pissed somebody off or stepped on some toes and THAT is why he's being prosecuted - then, rather than lying down, which would have resulted in lesser charges or some sort of deal, he told the powers that did this to him to "fuck off" and grandstanded, which they really didn't like, so they're going after him....

I would say "that's American politics in 2010" for you, but I'd imagine there are plenty of other countries where this sort of shit goes on too....Apparently Finland and Norway and Sweden are the places to live if you want relatively uncorrupted politicians...(though I suspect there must be some corruption there).....

Re:He didn't do anything that the rest of them don (0, Troll)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332522)

Bullshit, perhaps in Illinois, Florida and Louisiana that's politics as usual, but quite frankly for people in the rest of the country it really isn't. Sure they tend to look more favorably on companies and individuals that donate to their campaign coffers, but rarely is it linked the way that Blago was linking them. In fact that's the main reason why he ended up being prosecuted. It was shocking in the bald faced nature of the corruption and it really only took one obtuse juror with no understanding of US politics to tip things to a mistrial. He would've been convicted on at least a few of the other charges had he not had the benefit of an apologist on the jury. One with apparent ties to his political machine.

Re:He didn't do anything that the rest of them don (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332724)

You forgot New Jersey.

Re:He didn't do anything that the rest of them don (1)

yyxx (1812612) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332942)

And it's high time that "business as usual" get cleaned up.

(Besides, his hair alone should get him convicted.)

"loyal supporters" (3, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332388)

People are paying $80 a photo to get a joke photo. Something they can show a friend and say "look, blag showed up atcomic con. What a desperate loser." and that coming from comic con goers is mighty damning.

What did it cost? (4, Funny)

arctan1701 (635900) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332672)

What did it cost to punch Blago in the face?

I'm ashamed (2, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332714)

...to be associated with any comics con attendees who paid $80 for a photo of Blago. Just ashamed.

I was there - most people boo'ed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332740)

I was at Wizard World Chicago yesterday when he showed up. Whenever they made an announcement about "Governor Blagojevich" on the PA system, about him taking autographs at such-and-such a time or arriving at such-and-such a location, the whole convention floor would "Boo." There was no way he didn't hear it. One guy next to me shouted "Ex-governor!" when they referred to him as governor, too.

Infuriatingly, they let him sit in the replica 1960's Batmobile - an honor that I didn't see anyone else get a chance to do.

I think most people were upset that he was invited - and allowed to solicit money at - a comic convention.

Apparently this is the latest in a series of downward slides that "Wizard World" has been making, regarding its Chicago conventions at least. Fraudulent and dishonest business behavior (advertising ticket prices lower than they actually are, not announcing cancellations in the guest lineup) are just the start - the Big Two (DC and Marvel) haven't had an official presence in the last two years, the programming is terrible with few panels, the actual list of comic creators, writers, and artists present has dwindled, and they've been replaced largely by C-grade genre actors who made one or two appearances on a "Star Trek" episode 15 years ago (who charge for autographs, by the way, unlike comic creators), as well as those who don't even have that much to qualify them (like the "Soup Nazi" from "Seinfeld" as well as a handful of ex-Playboy models). There were a few more prominent genre actors (Shatner, Brent Spiner, James Marsters), but even so - it's supposed to be a comic convention, not a Star Trek/sci-fi convention.

Comic-con seems appropriate... (2, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 3 years ago | (#33332792)

Since he's an example of a real-life supervillan.

I'm going to sell Barack Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder! Buahahaha!

Dare them to make REAL laws against corruption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33332822)

In the US, politicians must raise money for their campaigns if they ever want to win an election.
The trial did not show that Blagojevich received any money that did not go through legitimate campaign donation channels.
He did NOT receive stacks of unaccounted cash like previous Illinois governors.
The tapes show that every time Blagojevich had doubts about legality -- he asked his lawyers and followed what they said was legal.

All of the "anti-corruption" laws under which Blagojevich was charged are so poorly defined, it's no wonder the jury couldn't agree.

Since all American politicians are already corrupted by this system, there is no way that they can ever be trusted to pass effective laws that crack down on themselves.

It looks to me like the one charge Blagojevich was convicted on -- lying to the FBI during the investigation -- has a very good chance of being overturned on appeal (complicated).

Blagojevich was a populist. He did a lot of things that people liked -- maybe just to get votes -- but people liked them and people elected him.
He gave free state-supported healthcare to all children (like every other advanced 1st-world country other than the US).
He gave free public transportation to senior citizens (like most European countries).

The thing is -- populists terrify the relatively conservative American politicians (all Republicans and most Democrats too).
Most of the Illinois political establishment was out-to-get Blagojevich long before he was charged with "corruption".

If anything -- Blagojevich is an IDIOT for carrying on like he did when he knew so many people were out to get him.

Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33333164)

Is this still slashdot?

III, lll, IlI, or lIl? (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333442)

Is it III, lll, IlI, or lIl? I can't really tell without changing the font...

Blago needs no makeup (1)

twoears (1514043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33333554)

He doesn't need any makeup to make himself look like a clown. From the beginning he has projected himself as the joker he is, a wannabe Jerry Springer. For somebody who admitted after the trial that he talks too much, he sure talks too much. It can't be too soon for his cellmate Bubba to give him the shaft.
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