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Samsung Galaxy Tablet Coming In September

CmdrTaco posted about 4 years ago | from the size-matters dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "The rumors are now reality, Samsung showed the world its first glimpse of the Samsung Galaxy Tab, the company's new 7-inch tablet. Samsung Mobile will release more information about the Galaxy Tab on September 2 in advance of IFA Berlin 2010. Tab will run on Android 2.2 and feature full Web-browsing and video calling. The information given by the company implied that the Galaxy Tab will sport an HD screen for video, Flash support, support for e-books, possible GPS navigation, and PC linking."

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Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

h00manist (800926) | about 4 years ago | (#33359992)

It's a Linux system presented in all stores across the planet, on prime shelf space.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1, Interesting)

spazdor (902907) | about 4 years ago | (#33360068)

will sport an HD screen for video,
Why do people always specify this? I want to know where I can buy an audio HD screen.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360126)

Hey, i watch audio, you insensitive clod.

But really, there is actual programs out there that display audio through imagery that people can learn to some extent.
I can't remember one by name though, this was a few years back.
Shows up as a little square somewhere and flashes colors.
As you can tell, it is very limited.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

h00manist (800926) | about 4 years ago | (#33360542)

As you can tell, it is very limited.

That's ok, but does it run on Linux?

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360808)

Almost.

It's mostly sort-of-Java tablet.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (2, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 4 years ago | (#33360978)

Will anyone but a handful of nerds know or even care?

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

ajlitt (19055) | about 4 years ago | (#33360680)

I saw something like that once. It was like a graph with the X axis representing time and Y axis representing time. Sort-of horizontal error bars made of dots with vertical lines joined at the top by horizontal lines told you a sound's duration. I heard that all the professional musicians are using it.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360712)

both axes represented time? doesn't sound like a very useful graph, mr sarcasm-pants.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361366)

The vertical axis represents frequency, which is inverse time, so it's not entirely incorrect.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (2, Insightful)

Lord Byron II (671689) | about 4 years ago | (#33360178)

I believe that the implication is that you can watch HD videos on the screen. It is also possible that you could have a device with an HD screen, but not the capability to watch HD movies.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361590)

Or you could have a device capable of watching HD video, but without an HD screen.

In fact, that's probably exactly what this is; even supposing they bump it up from the 800x480 usually found on 7" tablets, it's probably only 1024x600. HD means 1280x720 or better, and the only ultra-mobile I know of with a true HD screen is the Fujitsu U820/U2010.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (3, Informative)

Kitkoan (1719118) | about 4 years ago | (#33360274)

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360806)

Nothing is wrong with your post, but your signature is a mess and needs a rewrite.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33360090)

It's a Linux system presented in all stores across the planet, on prime shelf space.

Just like the thousands of other Linux systems presented in stores across the planet on prime shelf space?

It's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

h00manist (800926) | about 4 years ago | (#33360228)

Well I was just wondering whether these should be considered a Linux system, or just a phone? Either way, it isn't wintel, so that's nice.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | about 4 years ago | (#33360422)

It's a Linux system presented in all stores across the planet, on prime shelf space.

Just like the thousands of other Linux systems presented in stores across the planet on prime shelf space?

Exactly. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360158)

presented in all stores

So the 7/11 around the corner is going to be selling these? The furniture store 3 blocks away is going to be selling them? Wow, it's amazing that every store on the planet is going to be selling this tablet. How exactly is Samsung going to be able to provide such a monumental supply?

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (1)

h00manist (800926) | about 4 years ago | (#33360288)

Of course they are. All stores. The Salvation Army, the ice-cream cart, will all sell android phones too. With Linux and Java programming manuals. That's exactly what was meant, as anyone can tell.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (4, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | about 4 years ago | (#33360344)

It's a Linux system presented in all stores across the planet, on prime shelf space.

What does this do for Linux? About as much as TiVo did with it's "Linux system... on prime shelf space"... actually the real analogy here is probably iOS and Mach... I mean, it's so awesome and powerful right? Well, you have to root/jailbreak it first (assuming the device doesn't have an anti-tamper)... and that's getting harder with each new release.

In reality, it's just another consumer device and runs a popular OS which is hackable, that has a DRM-locked marketplace... notice I didn't say anything about Linux or Java... Neither does Samsung.

Re:Lawsuits or not, it's sort-of Linux and Java (4, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 years ago | (#33361154)

It's a Linux system presented in all stores across the planet, on prime shelf space.

What does this do for Linux? About as much as TiVo did with it's "Linux system... on prime shelf space"... actually the real analogy here is probably iOS and Mach... I mean, it's so awesome and powerful right? Well, you have to root/jailbreak it first (assuming the device doesn't have an anti-tamper)... and that's getting harder with each new release.

And Android phones are going the TiVo way as well, requiring jailbreaks and the like to "get the most out of it". Android's open-source, but the phones themselves aren't open at all. They're just open because the manufacturers were rushing to get phones on shelves. Though, HTC devices have always been more "open" to being hacked (xda-developers was about a particular set of HTC devices back in the WinMo days). But we're seeing with Motorola and probably soon Samsung and the like will be locking down the phones to run "approved OS images only".

The Sony PSPhone if it's true will probably be horrifically locked down, and probably tied to the Playstation Network like the Go, and Sony's pretty good about locking things down tight. Motorola's already shown it with the Droid X, getting back to where things were in the WInMo days.

And yes, I've heard manufacturers ask to lock things down - they say things like they don't want another xda-developers popping up for their phone.

Possible GPS navigation? (3, Insightful)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33360058)

I had to laugh at the "Possible GPS navigation" part, since they couldn't even get the GPS to work properly on their Galaxy S line of phones. What makes them think they can make it work properly on the tablet?

The GPS problem on the Galaxy S line has been known for over a month (and acknowledged by Samsung, even) and yet there's no fix for it. I mean, it's not like it's a minor problem with the GPS... the GPS just does not work on most phones, and some even will kill your GSM connection all together periodically.

Possible GPS navigation my arse! How about making a working GPS on a phone before trying to put it on a tablet. Other phone manufacturers have been able to put working GPS units in their phones for years. One would think Samsung might have tested this out before releasing a flagship line of phones.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360196)

There is a temp fix out there. Some manual changes and it works by going thru one of Google's servers instead of Samsung's. So it is a small drawback. I'm sure they will get it fixed. Maybe it is an issue in Android 2.1 and not 2.2? But GPS isn't everything. What matters is that Apple is finally starting to get some real competition.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1, Insightful)

imamac (1083405) | about 4 years ago | (#33360548)

What matters is that Apple is finally starting to get some real competition.

I lost count of the number of times I heard that about the iPod...

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33360662)

What matters is that Apple is finally starting to get some real competition.

I lost count of the number of times I heard that about the iPod...

Same here... but the Galaxy S phone, GPS issues not withstanding, absolutely destroy the iPhone 3 series. I haven't used an iPhone 4 series, so I can't say how it compares to that rev, but from what I understand, the only superior part on the iPhone 4 is the screen. Otherwise, the Galaxy S phones are superior in every other way.

I have an iPod Touch that I use regularly, but after using the Galaxy S for the past 3 weeks or so, every time I have to go back to the iPod it feels horrible to use. The iOS 4 UI is clunky and stiff compared to the modern Android implementations and really shows it's age. Given the fact that there is nothing the Galaxy S can't do that the iPod Touch/iPhone can, I've been considering selling the iPod, since it's now redudant and out of date.

Since the iPhone's IOS is the same as the iPod Touch for the most part, there is absolutely nothing attractive about the the iPhone anymore. Old tech, old UI, limited memory, limited capabilities. It's an inferior product and will only get more inferior as time goes on, since the iPhone 4 was just released and is already obsolete.

iPod touch wins on price (2, Funny)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33360998)

Given the fact that there is nothing the Galaxy S can't do that the iPod Touch/iPhone can

I know of one thing the 32 GB third-generation iPod touch can do that the Galaxy S can't: retail for under 300 USD.

Re:iPod touch wins on price (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 4 years ago | (#33361420)

Whenever iFanboys get nailed because something that costs half the price is more capable we hear how it is worth more money for the design and UI. When we here that something that is more capable and has a better UI we get to here, "But it's $20.00 cheaper!"

Re:iPod touch wins on price (2, Interesting)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33361614)

Given the fact that there is nothing the Galaxy S can't do that the iPod Touch/iPhone can

I know of one thing the 32 GB third-generation iPod touch can do that the Galaxy S can't: retail for under 300 USD.

Really? Where can I pick up an iPhone 4 for under $300 retail?

Ohhh... you mean the iPod Touch. That doesn't have a phone, so you'll have to add the cost of a phone onto that, so your retail price just jumped up above $500 for the same features.

I'm going to carry a phone regardless of whether I have an iPod Touch or not... since I can now replace the iPod Touch with a Galaxy S and lose zero functionality and gain some features, comparing the cost of an iPod Touch to a Galaxy S PHONE is meaningless, you'll have to compare prices to an iPhone 4.

Now, if you want to compare music players by themselves, I can show you a number of MP3 players that are superior to the iPod Touch for under $150, thus destroying your comparison on price.

So yes, the iPod Touch costs less than a Galaxy S, but it also does less. That kind of makes sense. I mean, if you wanna compare that, lets compare a G1 with a 32GB card in it for under $200.

Re:iPod touch wins on price (1)

PitaBred (632671) | about 4 years ago | (#33361922)

Pretty shitty to use as a phone, though.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (2, Interesting)

ravenacious (1655221) | about 4 years ago | (#33361106)

This is all true, I think. I compared the iPhone 4 side-by-side with the Galaxy-S and the latter has a much brighter, more defined screen. I don't know what about the iPhone 4 screen is supposed to be better, but it's definitely not the brightness, responsiveness or the colours. Maybe it's higher resolution or something, but frankly the resolution on these phones now is nearing the limits of what I can detect with my eyes in normal use. You basically can't see the pixels on them any more unless you press your face right up against the screen, so increased resolution is a bit irrelevant really.

I would say that I still think that the iPhone line still has the better touch response in general use, I'm not talking about the UI layout or anything, purely the way the things move about when you touch the screen. With the Galaxy-S you can sometimes see a little lag or jerkyness in the way things swish about the place, I don't ever seem to see this with the iPhone. It might have something to do with the iPhone only allowing the user to run one thing at a time, so there's never a really heavy processor load or something.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

ravenscar (1662985) | about 4 years ago | (#33361748)

I had an iPhone 3G and now have a Captivate. I enjoy the new phone, but there are lots of things an iPhone can do that the captivate can't. My iPhone could do all of the following with no problems or hassle. To do the same with my Captivate has involved downloading and installing unsigned drivers, loading clunky software, and dealing with other strange issues.

1. Plug into a Windows 7 64bit machine and be automatically recognized.
2. Sync with a computer without having to find a hidden 'mount' feature.
3. Be detected by and work automatically with the client software that supports it (try doing this with Kies).
4. Sync all of my playlists and pictures from iTunes (double-twist works great, but does not have good granularity for syncing photo folders).
5. Allow me to download songs over the air from iTunes and have them end up right in my media player.
6. Include a media player that allows me to access songs, videos, and podcasts from a single UI.

I think all of the above are important for your average, non-geek phone purchaser. Enough so that the iPhone is still a superior choice for most. It hurts a bit to say that too.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 4 years ago | (#33361536)

I lost count of the number of times I heard that about the iPod...

Depends on how you characterize "competition"; if you mean products that in terms of quality and feature sets compete with ipods, there are plenty. In terms of commercial success, probably a fair amount less.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (2, Informative)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33360590)

There is a temp fix out there. Some manual changes and it works by going thru one of Google's servers instead of Samsung's. So it is a small drawback. I'm sure they will get it fixed. Maybe it is an issue in Android 2.1 and not 2.2? But GPS isn't everything. What matters is that Apple is finally starting to get some real competition.

The fix doesn't really work. It improves it some, mainly by using network location. It doesn't do anything for the actual GPS problem, it just masks the problems with various assists. Oh, and you have to root your phone to apply those "fixes" that really aren't. Not a big deal, but most people aren't going to do that.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

GlassHeart (579618) | about 4 years ago | (#33361724)

Some manual changes and it works [...] Apple is finally starting to get some real competition.

I'm afraid you're missing a point here somewhere.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (2, Interesting)

unix1 (1667411) | about 4 years ago | (#33360496)

I had to laugh at the "Possible GPS navigation" part, since they couldn't even get the GPS to work properly on their Galaxy S line of phones.

It looks like it will have the GPS. If you look at their teaser site [samsungmobile.com] , one of the pictures they flash through there shows the navigation screen. And they also advertize "navigation" as one of its features with moving/focusing words towards the end of the video.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (4, Informative)

stoanhart (876182) | about 4 years ago | (#33360592)

It's really not that bad. I have a Vibrant, and the GPS issue is the only downside to the phone. Otherwise, it's a phenomenal piece of hardware. Also, it's been confirmed that the GPS issue is a software bug, and will be fixed in the Froyo update in September. Since this pad device will be running Froyo to start with, I think it's safe to assume the GPS will work just fine.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33360754)

Where has it been confirmed it's a software problem?

I've not seen any confirmation of this on XDA or Cyanogen... and of course you can't trust anything coming out of Samsung.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

Local ID10T (790134) | about 4 years ago | (#33360928)

and of course you can't trust anything coming out of Samsung.

Feeling a touch critical are you?

Not sure if it's hardware or software but (1)

daninaustin (985354) | about 4 years ago | (#33361254)

It's a real problem. The GPS reception is very bad. I had a TMobile Vibrant and a Sprint EVO side by side and the Evo was grabbing 9 satellites right away and the Vibrant had 0 (sitting at my desk.) Outside the experience was the same. The fix provided so far only makes the network location work better. It's unfortunate since the phone is otherwise fantastic.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (4, Informative)

HotBBQ (714130) | about 4 years ago | (#33360852)

Samsung has an official firmware fix for the GPS problem on the Galaxy line of phones. The firmware is scheduled for release in September. The forthcoming Epic 4G from Sprint will be released with this updated firmware. Engadget Story [engadget.com]

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (0, Troll)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 4 years ago | (#33361640)

Samsung has an official firmware fix for the GPS problem on the Galaxy line of phones. The firmware is scheduled for release in September. The forthcoming Epic 4G from Sprint will be released with this updated firmware.

Engadget Story [engadget.com]

Haha... I have a firmware fix for the GPS, too. But I'm not releasing it for another month, either. Cause... umm. Just because I don't want to! It's not because I don't know how to fix it, honest!

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

idiot900 (166952) | about 4 years ago | (#33361022)

If you are willing to hack your phone, you can install the GPS software from the new Epic 4G, which is a Galaxy S phone. In my experience this substantially improves the function of the GPS receiver on my Captivate (AT&T version of the Galaxy S). So while Samsung made a big mistake shipping a clearly broken product (did they seriously never try out the GPS even once before shipping the phone?), at the very least a fix exists and I feel confident it will make it out officially.

Other than the GPS issues it really is a brilliant piece of hardware. Overall I do not regret my purchase.

Re:Possible GPS navigation? (1)

nextekcarl (1402899) | about 4 years ago | (#33361864)

Maybe they mean it more as in the GPS will possibly work?

Blu-Ray (0, Offtopic)

stewbacca (1033764) | about 4 years ago | (#33360102)

If it performs as poorly as my Samsung Blu-ray player, than I'm avoiding this one like the plague.

Lets see the parade (1)

danieltdp (1287734) | about 4 years ago | (#33360108)

Now every tech company has to get an ipad competitor on the market. Kudos to Apple for leading innovation like no one else. How many years have we seen people talk about thjs particular form-factor? Appple makes one and boom. Now everyone is doing it.

Don't take me the wrong way. This is not a rant! I'm actually happy to see this kind of development

Re:Lets see the parade (0, Redundant)

gstoddart (321705) | about 4 years ago | (#33360380)

Now every tech company has to get an ipad competitor on the market. Kudos to Apple for leading innovation like no one else. How many years have we seen people talk about thjs particular form-factor? Appple makes one and boom. Now everyone is doing it.

And, I will be curious to see how successful they are, or if they're just bringing an existing desktop paradigm to a touch screen.

I also find it interesting that everybody keeps pointing out that the iPad isn't anything new -- they're largely right, but the iPad is the first to be successful on any meaningful scale, as opposed to being a very niche product that nobody knows about. All of a sudden, every body wants a touch screen they can carry around with them.

At this point, I doubt there are many people living in "western" societies who don't know what an iPad is, it's been talked about so much. I think it's about time we actually started to see this form factor -- it's long overdue. The keyboard and mouse model is old and doesn't need to be used for everything.

Re:Lets see the parade (4, Informative)

ircmaxell (1117387) | about 4 years ago | (#33360600)

the iPad is the first to be successful on any meaningful scale

In the public sector. In other areas (such as Emergency Responders, Health Care, Manufacturing and many others) there have been wildly successful tablets for many years.

Apple just made it successful for the average consumer...

Re:Lets see the parade (0)

ThePlague (30616) | about 4 years ago | (#33360658)

I don't quite get the appeal of this form factor: way too big for a phone, too small to match the power and input ease of a laptop. I mean, a 7" screen? Who wants to watch video on a screen that size? It's too big for a pocket or a belt clip, so you've got to lug it around. It seems the whole mobile market would be revolutionized if somebody could make decent (durable, good pic, decent battery life, not dorky looking) video glasses, so that mobile devices wouldn't even have to worry about providing a screen at all, and thus could be made easily to clip on a belt or shoved in a pocket and stay there. Just a video out (probably HDMI just for the size/compatibility) and either a track pad/ball on the device or a motion tracker built into the glasses for GUI-only input (a la a touchscreen), and a USB port for hooking up a real keyboard/mouse if you're not actually on the go at that time. In other words, a true portable and flexible PC.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 4 years ago | (#33361126)

I mean, a 7" screen? Who wants to watch video on a screen that size?

You do realize that people will use it for many things other than video, right? If they were building a portable digital TV, they would probably call it something different, like a portable digital TV.

Re:Lets see the parade (0)

ThePlague (30616) | about 4 years ago | (#33362036)

True, of course, but the ability to play HD content was emphasized.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

Locutus (9039) | about 4 years ago | (#33361060)

I would not doubt that many of those with iPad's today are the same who got into the PDA craze at the turn of the century and jumped from PalmOS devices to Windows CE devices. Those kinds were constantly upgrading to have the latest stuff and spent more time showing it off than using it. Windows CE did a great job at killing off the PDA segment when you could show off amazing things like color screens, audio, and videos but it sucked the giant teat when it came to battery life, reliability, and usability. I even saw a few project die because they picked WinCE and the only way they could present it to the customer was with a huge add-on battery pack which was a deal breaker. Most of those people jumped from those WinCE PDAs to simple cellphones with address books and calendars or got a company supplied Blackberry. When the iPhone came around, they could be the cool dude in the room again and the iPad gave them their 2nd round of coolness.

Many of the people I know with iPhones moved to the next generation iPhone up to the 3GS and only one or two went for the iPhone 4. Only a few have put out the bucks for the iPad but they always pull it out at parties.

As for the user input method, anything with text on it besides one or two liners is far far easier to use with a keyboard. So tablets with add on keyboard capabilities will be the ones which make it longer than those which don't. I'm really surprised to not have seen any tablets with very small keyboards at the bottom center so they can be used much like the texting hold on a mobile phone. The big virtual keyboards don't work very well and texters have shown how fast they can be with two thumbs. strange but I think that'll eventually also provide some longevity to those devices. And anyone who tries to patent that, I'd been outed here first.

LoB

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

darien.train (1752510) | about 4 years ago | (#33361100)

The keyboard and mouse model is old and doesn't need to be used for everything.

Yes but the keyboard and mouse WORK for (just about) everything and have a very standardized set of features and I/Os. The term "touch screen" on the other hand doesn't refer to any hard standard other than "use your fingers" but that could mean anything these days.

Example: Are we talking about a touch screen point-of-sale system for a bar or a mapping app on a Perceptive Pixel multi-touch wall? They're practically apples to oranges in every way other than the fact that they're "touch screen."

The keyboard and mouse are going to be with us for a long time to come as some computer use cases are just never going to be as simple as touch, tap, pinch and spread (think of Photoshop, Illustrator, Final Cut, Reason, etc.) I just don't see creative and admin types being able to easily swap a touch screen for such a robust input method as the keyboard and mouse. I work with many types of touch screens in my line of work and they all require a keyboard and mouse to do the actual work on the app before compiling/completing for touch...that should tell you something.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | about 4 years ago | (#33360484)

The problem is, Android tablets have been on the market for almost a year in North America alone, not considering the cheap ones in China only. Apple brought them the lime light, but Androids were the ones to take the first steps and showed that a tablet computer running a minimalist OS was not only doable, but was very functional for day to day usage.

Re:Lets see the parade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360524)

I'm not kidding when I say this: What Android tablets?

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 4 years ago | (#33360724)

How do you define tablet? I would almost say that my Evo is a tablet. I know it isn't, but that's simply a matter of screen size. Make one a little bigger and that's exactly what it is.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

ajlitt (19055) | about 4 years ago | (#33360750)

The only non-phone Android device you could readily buy in NA up until a couple of months ago was the B&N Nook. And that's an eReader with a skinny little color touch LCD right below the screen.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | about 4 years ago | (#33360804)

The Archos 7 [archos.com] was released in September of last year (why its specs are bad for today). And without digging too far, the Android market in China (in Chinese) is quite large. [gfan.com] And here is a video (surprisingly in English) [youtube.com] of another Android 7 inch tablet in China only by Camangi.

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

b0bby (201198) | about 4 years ago | (#33360910)

Maybe the Archos 5 & 7?

Re:Lets see the parade (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | about 4 years ago | (#33361196)

There's always some hot new format or item that tech industry goes crazy for. I'm still not certain that there's a real place for these things outside of the home. While I love the idea of taking one of these things to a meeting, I loathe the idea of attempting to use a virtual keyboard for anything but a short message. All of these implementations do not involve a stylus for me to draw with or any kind of handwriting recognition.

The format size is awkward. Everyone I've seen with an ipad has this desperate "how do I properly carry this delicate thing" look in their eyes when they're done using it. Its too big for a pocket and too small for a laptop case. The man-purses I've seen so far look embarrassingly hilarious.

I'll be happy when someone develops one that can do handwriting recognition and lets me draw diagrams and such with the ability to easily print them or display them on a media PC wirelessly (VNC server perhaps?). Right now its a solution looking for a problem.

HD screen/ (3, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 4 years ago | (#33360134)

Android 2.2 doesn't support HD displays (only via video out like HDMI), unless they've extended it somehow. Otherwise we'll have to wait for Gingerbread (3.0?). 2.2 only supports up to something like 854x480 for the main display, I'm pretty sure.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | about 4 years ago | (#33360352)

You know, 854x480 is larger than DVD resolution, which was once considered a high-definition format. That may be what they mean.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

Deadplant (212273) | about 4 years ago | (#33360500)

...DVD resolution, which was once considered a high-definition format.

bah, maybe marketing droids considered it high-definition.
DVD's 480 lines of resolution is the resolution of the black and white tv my parents bought when I was 5.

Re:HD screen/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360538)

No it wasn't. DVD has always been standard definition, that's why it worked on SD sets, durrr! Now consider PAL is 720 x 576. Yes, that does indeed mean that 854x480 has a lower pixel count that the lowest resolution TV in Japan and Europe.

The point of the OP is that although 854 x 480 is fine for Android phones, and was way more than Apple could muster up until their 4th phone, it's not going to cut it in a bigger handheld device that are going to do more than playback pirated TV shows and movies. Not unless you're talking about $99 slates from Wallyworld and Co.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

lennier1 (264730) | about 4 years ago | (#33360556)

You know, 854x480 is larger than DVD resolution ...

854 * 480 = 409920
720 * 576 = 414720

Yes, definitely larger. ;)

720x480 (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33361046)

In North America, Japan, and Brazil, DVD resolution is 720x480 non-square pixels. Where do you get 720x576 from? Europe?

Re:720x480 (2, Informative)

lennier1 (264730) | about 4 years ago | (#33361328)

Standard PAL DVD. Not all parts of the world had to live with an inferior resolution.

Re:720x480 (2, Informative)

cynyr (703126) | about 4 years ago | (#33361642)

it sounds like PAL [wikipedia.org] well, more like 576p [wikipedia.org] . so yes, everywhere [wikipedia.org] but where you listed.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

scuzzlebutt (517123) | about 4 years ago | (#33360420)

Last I looked, 480p was considered HD.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

torqer (538711) | about 4 years ago | (#33360956)

I'd look again...

Wii can output at 480p, but it certainly isn't HD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480p [wikipedia.org]

Re:HD screen/ (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 4 years ago | (#33360454)

Given that "HD" is only 704x480 at minimum I dont see a problem with calling a 854x480 screen high definition.

Re:HD screen/ (1)

torqer (538711) | about 4 years ago | (#33361092)

Where'd you get that number from? Please don't try to sell anyone a TV (or a tablet) and say such nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution [wikipedia.org]

So...? (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | about 4 years ago | (#33360136)

So, is this a phone, or a tablet computer, or what? A 7" screen would put this at roughly the size of a paperback novel. Too big to shove into a pocket, too small to do any serious note taking.

But perfect for reading (3, Interesting)

bradley13 (1118935) | about 4 years ago | (#33360222)

We have an e-ink reader - the form factor is great, but the lack of backlighting is surprisingly restrictive, and anyway you can't read documents that require color. I read e-books on my mobile phone, but the screen is really too small.

A 7" form factor with a backlit LCD "the size of a paperback" sounds just right. Big enough to be useful, small enough to still fit in a jacket pocket.

Re:But perfect for reading (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360308)

According to a bathroom stall I was just in they recommended contacting your for 'a good time'. It said you smoke a mean pole AND you swallow. Where do you want to meet up at tonight?

Re:But perfect for reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361298)

I have the Kindle app for my Ipod touch and the backlighting is superb. You can only read one paragraph at a time (anything more is just superflous anyway). I can safely say I will never go back to reading paper books after this. Shoehornjob

Re:So...? (3, Insightful)

bm_luethke (253362) | about 4 years ago | (#33360812)

A tablet.

Some people prefer a 7" tablet (I am one). That is also why Apple is rumored to be producing one too.

For my self a 10" one seems silly. It's not big enough to use a have a good keyboard and carrying an external one defeats the purpose. It's heavy and bulky - it isn't going into a pocket or be carried on a plane comfortably either. Add inn all the issues with it having a fairly stripped down OS and hardware so I can't do much more than watch a movie or browse the web and it is worthless to me.

7" is perfect - those "flaws" are OK due to the increased portability (minimal OS/software stack and hardware) and when I want to do some "serious" note taking I'll take a netbook - or even better a notebook - any day of the week. Any smaller than a 7" and I start into eye strain for any extended viewing. Plus it is small enough to fit into some pockets/pouches and definitely small enough to easily carry around no matter what yet large enough to not get eye strain.

But then that is why there are several form factors too - not everyone likes the same thing and those that prefer a 7" or a 10" are not stupid because they do. Personally I would say someone who is confused if this is a phone or not fits that bill better.

The important things (2, Informative)

gilesjuk (604902) | about 4 years ago | (#33360184)

Screen, it needs a good touch screen, decent resolution and viewing angle,

Battery life, it has to be much longer than a laptop.

Software support, if the screen resolution is greater than any other device then some software may not work or will appear small.

Price, if it's not much cheaper than the iPad then that's a failure.

The actual OS is important, but given it's Android it's unlikely to present a problem.

Re:The important things (1)

Kitkoan (1719118) | about 4 years ago | (#33360596)

Battery life, it has to be much longer than a laptop.

Since many laptops these days are getting battery life of 6-8 hours (around the same amount of time the iPad is getting), what kind of battery life are you hoping for?

Software support, if the screen resolution is greater than any other device then some software may not work or will appear small.

Screen size support has been addressed and pretty much fixed since Android 1.6 came out, so it shouldn't be a problem. [android.com]

Price, if it's not much cheaper than the iPad then that's a failure.

How would it be a failure? Its running newer, faster parts and it seems like the screen might be a higher resolution. Better, newer parts will raise the price making it possibly match the iPad. And if people feel its a better unit, or even an "upgraded" version of the iPad for the same price, then they will buy it.

The actual OS is important, but given it's Android it's unlikely to present a problem.

And that its Android 2.2 should help too.

Re:The important things (1)

cynyr (703126) | about 4 years ago | (#33361736)

24-48 hours on a laptop, and 7-14 days on a tablet. 24 hours is with the hardrive, optical drive, CPU, GPU, wifi, screen brightness, and bluetooth all maxed out. 48 can be with the cpu load low, and the wifi + bluetooth on, as if I was surfing the web, screen at 1/2 brightness. Otherwise it's like having an ipod clasic with 83.33 days of music (40k songs * 3 min/song) but can only play for 36 hours...

mentions early competitors (1)

Taibhsear (1286214) | about 4 years ago | (#33360204)

I have the Archos 5. Archos' tablets had a lot of potential but the firmware is so damn buggy and they seem to not really give a crap. (they're french, what are ya gonna do?...) I hope the new hardware that comes out from samsung and other competitors starts addressing some of the issues these early versions had. Anything bigger than my archos is pretty much not going to cut it for me though (mainly use it for my car stereo and anything bigger won't fit in the stereo cubby hole).

Will it be lite the Galaxy phone? (1)

spyfrog (552673) | about 4 years ago | (#33360224)

Will this be an follow up on the Galaxy phone?
That is, will it be released with outdated and buggy software that Samsung promise to NOT upgrade?
Will they after pressure release different version of buggy updates to a still old version in different countries?
Will it crash, be prone to screen errors and to slow to use?
Will Samsung ignore all complaints? Will the only bright light be the unpaid hackers who makes their own version of the OS?

I bought the Galaxy phone and have sworn to never again buy a phone from Samsung. I now have a HTC Desire and the difference between these products can't be described by words alone.

Re:Will it be lite the Galaxy phone? (3, Funny)

DJCouchyCouch (622482) | about 4 years ago | (#33360334)

> I now have a HTC Desire and the difference between these products can't be described by words alone.

How about sound effects? Interpretive dance? Matchstick diorama?

More Details, Firmware Analysis (3, Informative)

CritterNYC (190163) | about 4 years ago | (#33360452)

This article was a bit light on the details (as it's just mentioning what's in the quick video preview on the site), but other sites have posted some rumors and analysis of some Samsung firmware leaks.

The display seems to be 800x480, which is decent on a 7" screen (133ppi, essentially the same as the iPad's 131ppi). There is a front and rear facing camera (confirmed in this video which mentions video calling), a 1.0 or 1.2GHz hummingbird processor (similar to the awesome 1GHz hummingbird in their Galaxy S phones which can really pump out the pixels [youtube.com] ), and some other goodies.

http://samsung-firmware.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/4521384-exclusive-samsung-galaxy-tab- [webs.com]

Re:More Details, Firmware Analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361294)

The problem with 800x480 isn't really the DPI, so much as 480 is too narrow / short to get a good web page view for a device that size. I think a phone can pull it off because of the size, but once you get to something you hold more like a tablet, 480 is just too small.

I really hope it has a higher res than that, but my understanding is we're not going to see devices with access to the android market at anything more than WVGA until 3.0 comes out.

Size does matter (1)

wrencherd (865833) | about 4 years ago | (#33360492)

I agree that 7" is too small for it to be a computer, so the Samsung tablet must really be designed to compete with the iPhone. On the other hand, the iPad's size is already kind of small; any smaller and it would seem to be of little use around the home, so ditto for any mini-iPad's. And if you're not using these things around the house then you're probably somewhere where you'd use your phone, no?

Re:Size does matter (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 4 years ago | (#33360588)

so the Samsung tablet must really be designed to compete with the iPhone

If they made a wi-fi only, no-phone (think iPod Touch) version of this and sold it for $199 ($150 on Woot!) they'd sell a zillion of these things.

I don't want another device for making calls and costs me $40 per month in connect fees. I want a good wi-fi tablet that runs real Android and doesn't cost $500.

If I can buy an 8gig iPod touch for $129 (refurb), than I should be able to buy a 7" iPod Touch for about $200. I need it to read PDFs, access Wi-Fi for email and Internet, and play a few games. Why is that so effing hard?

Re:Size does matter (3, Interesting)

pspahn (1175617) | about 4 years ago | (#33360888)

You would think they would totally go after that market. Removing the phone aspect of it makes it cheaper and doesn't require the monthly fee, sure, but look at what that can do to the business market. Make these things affordable enough so that even a small business can purchase a dozen of them and you're talking about a very sweet tool for a wide variety of uses.

Re:Size does matter (1)

tse.ha.em (596385) | about 4 years ago | (#33361140)

You can buy an EKEN M001 on ebay for like $100, so I agree it should be easy to sell a high quality 7" tablet for double that price. I say let's wait for this year's Christmas business, it's gonna be interesting.

Re:Size does matter (1)

blind biker (1066130) | about 4 years ago | (#33361836)

I want a device almost exactly like that. And you know what? A few of the new Kindles are almost there - but they do such an atrocious job of displaying technical PDF files, that they're out, as far as I'm concerned. I don't have too much disposable dough lately, but I'd gladly plonk 200 bucks for a WiFi tablet that decently displays PDFs (and can browse the 'net).

Re:Size does matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361844)

I have been looking at these over the last few days, and there's actually a bewildering variety of them already, if you're willing to take a chance on no-name Chinese products. Oh, and they can be had for super-cheap - I've seen a low-spec version, running Android 1.5 (I think) on ebay for 70GBP, so I guess somewhere in the region of 100 dollars. I found one running Android 2.1 for 180 dollars - I'll not post the link for fear of appearing like a slashvertisment since I'm and AC, but have some fun Googling (clue - Chinese and wholesale seem to be useful terms, even if you don't want them in wholesale quantities).

If you want to read some Forum posts from people who've dug right into this stuff, check out www.androidtablets.net and www.slatedroid.com.

Which OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360540)

Tab will run on Android 2.2

As long as it's not Microsoft Windows, it's good enough for me.

P.S.: Hey sopssa, I beat you to it.

Tablets are the best for pr0n (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 4 years ago | (#33360642)

Tablets are perfect for watching porn.

They don't have a mouse or keyboard, and their smooth touch screens can easily be cleaned after you're done with your... erm... personal enjoyment.

Now all I have to do is click that "Post Anonymously" checkbox before my ISP disconnects me for not paying my bil.%${xf[re`1e2$%#@NO CARRIER

Re:Tablets are the best for pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33361142)

Only if it has the vibration function, then it will be perfect for porn..

Obligitory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33360878)

July 12, 2010
From: Steve Jobs
To: Jim Balsillie

Jim,

Hey, buddy, sorry about getting my piece of the pie in the mobile phone market from under your feet but daddy's gotta eat. Right? Really though, I've been meaning to send you over some complementary hookers and blow but you know how things get busy what with the release of my new baby.

Speaking of which, it's called the iPad--maybe you've heard of it? I don't know, seems the other CEOs spend half the time with their heads up their asses so you coulda missed it.

Anyway, I wanted to take this time to send you a message, loud and clear:

It's okay. You can release a tablet device now.

I know, I know, you're probably pitching a tent under your desk as you read this. This has been tried -- what -- like fifty times before? And everybody's failed. But now your sugar daddy has warmed up the masses and anybody can stick their meat in. Even you! Of course you gotta hit below my price point when you offer them your aborted fetus of a tablet but come on let's be happy about this.

I mean, there's the three mil that have already bought the iPad--you know the people whose time is worth more than watching a goddamn blackberry shit itself. And there's everyone else (your customers).

And now that I've said it's "okay", it's "okay" to own a tablet. Did you see how that worked? Let me spell it out for you. Before it wasn't okay. Companies couldn't sell it, people couldn't buy it. And then Steve Titty Fucking Jobs showed up and said it was okay. Suddenly three million people have iPads. That's how it works. On July 12, 2010 your stock shares will jump a little bit because I told you it was okay to turn a profit.

Now someone else gets the dregs, offer up a knockoff and cash out. The Courier fell flat on the pavement like a bead of sweat sliding off of Steve Ballmer's bald head so I guess that comes down to you. But really, when is the last time that guy did anything right?

And you know what? After the iPhone took any non-corporate user you might have had maybe you deserve this. Maybe you are good enough to have Apple's sloppy seconds this time around.

Consider us even. I bet you're upset right now and that's because you're just reading this memo wrong. Don't read it that way.

Steve Jobs

How wonderful! (1)

Benfea (1365845) | about 4 years ago | (#33361532)

Now we can buy a tablet that locks up frequently and can't find its own a** in a pair of bloomers.

oh goody (1)

TRRosen (720617) | about 4 years ago | (#33361622)

Same piece of crap now 100% larger. That will come in handy when your tossing the POS against the wall.

And Guys get with it consumers are never going to go for android tablets. This is for the same reasons people on this site will and the same reason windows tablets failed. Its just general purpose linux computer. Its not designed as a device. The iPad is a hit because -yes- it is a big iPod touch. Consumers don't have to deal with all the issues they have on their computers. Push the button it works. Filesystem whats that. I push music my music comes up. Thats all the consumer wants and the iPad delivers. Show the average consumer what they have to do to get there music onto a galaxy s phone and they'll look at you dumbfounded and just use their iPod. Trust me I did it yesterday.

Does Size Matter? (1)

dooby_Monster (817224) | about 4 years ago | (#33361706)

Just looking at the sneak preview. The Device itself looks fairly big and awkward. Not something you will be carrying in your back pocket i don't think. Something like an e-reader, gps, media player etc is something i'd associate with a portable device. Yet this seems a little big aiming at this market.

old microsoft trick of vapor products (1)

peter303 (12292) | about 4 years ago | (#33362052)

In contrast Apple is secretive under they can ship product. Or the latest advance date before they file for a FCC license.

e17 support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33362194)

It seems like Samsumg was supporting e17 development:

http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=17

It would be so good to have a real linux on tablets designed for multitouch.

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