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Sony Halts Sales of PS3 Jailbreak Dongle

Soulskill posted about 4 years ago | from the party's-over dept.

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An anonymous reader tips news that "Online Australian retailer Quantronics has been ordered by the Federal Court of Australia, Victoria District Registry on the 26 August 2010 to halt PS JailBreak PS3 modchip sales and distribution." The court order (.DOC) indicates this injunction will hold until a hearing on August 31. Another reader points out related news that a German website claims to have reverse engineered the hack, finding it to be a newly-developed exploit rather than a clone of Sony's JIG module (original in German). Sony has already been banning users of the modchip when detected.

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Sorry Sony ... (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 4 years ago | (#33393314)

Sorry Sony, but you can't stop it now. Next stop: "Jail Break City, where people who bought your crap can enjoy it how they want".

Re:Sorry Sony ... (3, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 4 years ago | (#33393370)

Jail Break City, where people who bought your crap can enjoy it how they want

Unless of course if 'they want' to log into the PSN or play on Sony's servers. Just saying, there's plenty that Sony can do, especially since this is the only hack available and it can apparently be detected server side.

Re:Sorry Sony ... (0, Troll)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 years ago | (#33393974)

Unless of course if 'they want' to log into the PSN or play on Sony's servers. Just saying, there's plenty that Sony can do, especially since this is the only hack available and it can apparently be detected server side.

Which isn't much different from the Xbox360 side of things, really. It's harder for Microsoft to detect you, but do something stupid like play a game before the release date means Microsoft knows your Xbox360 isn't completely kosher. Some lame DVD hacks are also detectable by Xbox Live. Not too sure about the latest JTAG hacks, but I guess a multilayered checksum might also detect it.

But considering most of my PS3 games are single player, and the multiplayer ones I tend to get for Xbox360, seems a perfect way to get repaid for the loss of OtherOS. I finally have a reason to update my PS3.

Re:Sorry Sony ... (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | about 4 years ago | (#33394058)

I bought my PS3 just to be a media center. Plays my DVDs, my Blu-Ray discs, and my Netflix Watch It Now. I could care less if I get banned from PSN. That's what my Xbox360 and Gold account is for =)

Re:Sorry Sony ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394550)

Uh, you need to sign into PSN to use Netflix, so it sounds like you should care if you get banned. Also, if you only use it as a media center, what possible use do you have for jailbreaking?

Re:Sorry Sony ... (4, Interesting)

slinches (1540051) | about 4 years ago | (#33394770)

Uh, you need to sign into PSN to use Netflix

That's not true. Netflix streaming works without logging into PSN. I have a fat PS3 that I haven't updated (so that I can keep the Other OS option) and I stream movies regularly. Although, I am a bit concerned that they may disable the disks when they release the software version in October. If that requires a firmware update, I may need to jailbreak just to keep Netflix.

Fuck you, Sony (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33393344)

I still buy your consoles and games beause I enjoy them...I can't escape that. However, I will NEVER forgive you for what you did to Lik Sang [kotaku.com] . You will forever be bastards because of that.

Oh, and guess what? I buy all your games USED.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393518)

God Pojut, do you have to do these useless oneliner comments on every story just to advertise your blog and other shit? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (4, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 4 years ago | (#33393626)

You mean his sig? His sig that plugs his site? No one else's sig plugs their site? His sig that you can turn off if you don't want to see it? You mean him plugging Kotaku, like kotaku needs plugging? I'm not sure I see your angle.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393738)

I mean how he spams every story with oneline comments that don't even have much to do with the story.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (2, Insightful)

jank1887 (815982) | about 4 years ago | (#33393810)

'fuck you sony' seems quite appropriate here. turn off sigs and be quiet. I haven't had them on in... well... forever.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Trufagus (1803250) | about 4 years ago | (#33394222)

He was just making an observation that someone (Pojut) may be in the habit of making short, attention getting comments partially to promote his site. On the Internet, where 90% of content is self promotion, it is a worthwhile thing to consider.

I'm surprised to see everybody dumping on this guy.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33394286)

Two things.

1. there is some truth to what the AC said. Most of the time, I try to post comments that contribute to the discussion or provide a perspective on the conversation no one else has mentioned yet...however, there are times where I do indeed post just for exposure.

2. On my site, you will never find any form of advertising. My site is run completely out of pocket with zero intent on making a profit (or even making back the $15 a month hosting fee/yearly registration fee). It's something I do as a way of giving back to the community that has given me so much.

I'm just suprised the AC is offended by the fact that I donate time and money to the culture, and then try to make people aware it exists.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33393818)

So tell me how my post in this story, in which I link to Kotaku explaining how Sony fucked over a well-liked privately owned importer that Sony used for its own executives, adds nothing to the discussion.

The story is about Sony halting sales. I posted a link to another story (again, on Kotaku) about Sony halting sales. I fail to see how that is irrelevant.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

JustSomeProgrammer (1881750) | about 4 years ago | (#33393976)

Its dealing with Sony but it is a bit off topic. That would be like me complaining about how expensive Sony TVs are.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33394050)

Fair enough.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | about 4 years ago | (#33393788)

The point is, as the original post stated, putting useless one-liner comments just to get his sig on as many screens as possible. Do the majority of the posts add little to the discussion? Do the majority contain some kind of blog promotion, sig included?

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394350)

Ironically (as if anyone on slashdot should need to be told this effect) I clicked on his sig which my eyes have been trained to ignore over the years, simply because of the post about it. So even more attention is brought to the sig than normal. Oh and also I like how the comment specifically says "one line" and the post wasn't one line, it was two, and on topic.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | about 4 years ago | (#33394846)

It's a good example of the Streissand effect, in a way.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (4, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33394908)

It's actually a great example of the Streisand effect...we've gotten over 500 visitors in a single day for only the fifth time since we started the site, and that number is steadily rising. Thanks, random AC who hates the fact that we contribute our time and money to nerd culture!

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

thijsh (910751) | about 4 years ago | (#33393608)

I loved Lik Sang too! :'-(
It's one of the reasons (among many) I have no PlayStation anymore...

Re:Fuck you, Sony (3, Insightful)

WankersRevenge (452399) | about 4 years ago | (#33393640)

It's a sad state of affairs when buying a used game is considered a subversive activity. Every time one of these idiot developers starts talking about how consumers are basically stealing from them for buying a used game I want to hit them in the mouth with a two by four. Here's a thought ... price your games cheaper. When an entertainment product is well over the bar of an impulse buy, then the used market isn't your real problem.

The funny thing ... I left PC gaming because I hated being on the upgrade treadmill. These days, I find myself playing PC games more often because I get more from money. Who would have thought that consumers reward companies that produce a good value?

Re:Fuck you, Sony (5, Insightful)

FauxPasIII (75900) | about 4 years ago | (#33393950)

When all the costs of bringing your product to market are front-loaded, and all the revenue then comes from enforcing artificial scarcity of reproducing the finished product, you're in a very different world from selling manufactured goods. Same thing comes up with pharmaceuticals. I'm not sure what the solution is, but it's certainly an interesting problem.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 4 years ago | (#33394494)

Pharmaceuticals is a bit different. They couldn't afford to do things any differently. I suppose the government could pay all the R&D costs and then have the companies be basically just service organizations. Doing the research and producing the ultimate medications on a sort of generic basis. But under the current circumstances there isn't much choice involved.

Console companies on the other hand, have a choice, they don't have to use the system as a loss leader and make it up on the content. In fact given the way that things have been going, perhaps they shouldn't. Perhaps they should just sell the console as unlocked have at them, save the R&D money for more useful pursuits and just acknowledge that used games and homebrew are going to happen whether they like it or not.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33395328)

I suppose the government could pay all the R&D costs and then have the companies be basically just service organizations. Doing the research and producing the ultimate medications on a sort of generic basis. But under the current circumstances there isn't much choice involved.

At the moment, governments pay most of the costs of basic research into the important stuff.. and it's handed over to pharma companies to "productize" - so they are service organisations already... when they aren't churning out crap drugs for baldness, erection problems and invented disorders.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (4, Insightful)

Fallingcow (213461) | about 4 years ago | (#33393964)

They got their portion of the used sale already; the ability to sell it a game secondhand is valuable, and priced in to the original sale price.

If developers (or distributors) think the ability re-sale is worth more than they're getting for it now, they should raise their prices and see whether consumers agree.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

xtracto (837672) | about 4 years ago | (#33395540)

Used games...

Game developpers should concentrate on offering new online content which can be purchased by a person currently owning a game.

That way it does not matter if someone re-sells his game ID for "World of Retardcraft" to another person as long as this other person continues paying to access the online content.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | about 4 years ago | (#33394118)

Not to come across as a corporate shill, but the price of games has not changed over the last 10+ years. Well actually they've *come down* since the atari days. The problem is with games' exponentially rising budgets the industry can't sustain itself. People won't even accept price increases to keep up with inflation. They think games that give them tens of hours of game time and fun are far too expensive relative to a $10-15 movie that gives them less than 2 hours of immersion.

Think about it. $50 spent on a Nintendo game in 1985 (and there were often costlier games) would cost $98.37 today. Looking at a more recent period of time, a $50 PS1 game would in '95 cost 69.71 today. And yet the uproar over the bump up to $60 for current generation games was immense.

The games industry isn't growing its hardcore base anymore. That's why Nintendo shifted its focus to casual gamers. It wasn't about "losing the console wars" for them. They didn't lose any money on the Gamecube or N64. But they were around during the gaming market crash of the early 80's. They see the writing on the wall of the current industry. Look at a game like All Points Bulletin. It was a massive, $100 million MMO that utterly bombed. That kind of loss scares away investors. It leaves a black scar on the industry. Unlike movies, however, aside from MMOs there is no growth potential for hardcore games. You think the Chinese or Indians will ever start paying for games, having been raised on the idea that pirating is the norm? Maybe in 20, 30 years when those countries form a legitimate middle class that doesn't have to spend a month's salary just to buy a decent cell phone, but the industry can't wait that long (in case you're wondering, no I don't believe piracy has an effect on sales in general; most pirates wouldn't have bought the game anyways. This is more a reflection on the difficulty of finding new, affluent markets to purchase such expensive products).

And as for pricing cheaper, even if they did they would eventually be undercut by Gamestop and other used game sellers. Most old games are dropped in price eventually, but people still prefer used because they're almost always cheaper. If there were no way to sell used games, companies would be much more eager to drop prices in order to breath life into the tail of a product's lifespan (just look at Steam for a perfect example of what I'm talking about).

Re:Fuck you, Sony (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394564)

Think about it. $50 spent on a Nintendo game in 1985 (and there were often costlier games) would cost $98.37 today. Looking at a more recent period of time, a $50 PS1 game would in '95 cost 69.71 today. And yet the uproar over the bump up to $60 for current generation games was immense.

Physical costs have also plummeted. And the industry has moved to disc-based games. Development platforms cost less (adjusted for inflation.)

The problem is with games' exponentially rising budgets the industry can't sustain itself.

Which comes from people trying to one-up each other. It's a bubble, just like the housing market. The industry is doing this to itself.

As you say, Nintendo saw the writing on the wall and sidestepped the competition. They were agile and continue to make good money. That Sony and Microsoft can't do this isn't really the consumer's fault--yet game devs treat consumers like shit if they even think about buying a game used.

Here's a tip: the secondhand market actually helps stimulate the primary market. The fact that a gamer (or driver, or reader) knows that they can resell their item makes them more likely to buy it at full price. All the while, the producers are building up cred with the people who can't afford to buy things at full price. One day, they will be able to--they won't have to wait for and fight over used games--and then they will become the new primary customers.

But more to the point, this is just more buggy-whip shenanigans. The big production studios don't want to change their ways--they want to continue growing and growing and making bigger and bigger games--and they want to force consumers to change their behavior to suit the old business model. It's pretty much bullshit.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

travisco_nabisco (817002) | about 4 years ago | (#33394702)

I concede that the price of games hasn't kept up with inflation. Though it is not fair to bring that up without mentioning that in most of North America the working wage hasn't kept up with inflation either. So we actually have less disposable income than we did in the late 90's.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

herojig (1625143) | about 4 years ago | (#33393802)

Interesting story. Wonder what impact that has had over the past several years, if any. Scary stuff when gray marketing is attacked, and quashed, no matter what your interests. I am not much of a gamer, but with every Sony product ever owned, I have had problems at the Sony service end. Absolutely abysmal. With other mfgs, it's a different story. I hate to say the Apple word on this site, but the comparison between Apple and Sony is like comparing Singapore Airlines with Jet Blue @ JFK. You get what u pay for these days, I guess...

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

MBCook (132727) | about 4 years ago | (#33393936)

Sony has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes due to recent experiences.

I bought a PS3 a few months ago, and it's quite a nice machine... but it has some really odd decisions. You have to have the system on to charge the controllers by plugging them into the system. If you plug them into your laptop instead, they seem to unregister with the system and you have to pair them back up.

Then I decided to buy a game from PSN. I needed the latest firmware, which took a few minutes to download and a few minutes to install. Then I downloaded the game, which would only transfer at about 1.5Mbps, since Sony's servers are slow. Then the game had to install. All told it took 2.5 hours to play, mostly because of the slow download.

Then I saw a game on sale for my PSP that I wanted to play. Patapon 2, only a download. So I went and bought a memory stick for my PSP to hold the game (since my model was from when all games were on discs and they only gave 32MB memory sticks). So I download the new firmware, try to install it... nope. The battery has to be charged.

My battery didn't charge, it's dead because it's 5 years old and never used. Having the system plugged into the wall isn't enough, you have to have a charged battery too.

So I had to buy a new battery. Then I got the firmware installed, downloaded the 250MB game in about a half hour, then it installed for 5 minutes. Now I can finally play it.

These are not ideal customer experiences. I understand the new firmware requirement (especially on my PSP which was about 3 years behind). But my 360 seems to handle the process much better, and downloads games at the fastest speed my internet connection supports. My DS Lite is 3+ years old, can sit on the shelf for months and months and yet the battery will still take a charge.

Sony never had smoothest interfaces, but things haven't always been this bad.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33394096)

Honestly, we don't really use our PS3 for gaming too much. We own 5 disc-based games for it, and have downloaded three from the PSN (compared to about 15 for the Wii with countless downloads, and about 30 for the 360 with countless downloads).

No, our PS3 is used primarily as a media center. It's a decent gaming machine, but it's a fantastic media center. Of course, TVersity puts the 360 and the PS3 on equal footing in regards to media, but using just the consoles themselves, the PS3 is vastly superior for home theater purposes.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Jim Hall (2985) | about 4 years ago | (#33395466)

If you're going to copy/paste your troll posts, at least do yourself the courtesy of updating the games you claim to play. As it is, I don't believe a word you say here. For example, Patapon 2 [wikipedia.org] was released well over a year ago (North America: May 2009) and not "a few months ago" like your post implies. And I know you're in North America, because Patapon 2 was download-only for NA only. So there.

As for the rest of your troll:

Sony has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes due to recent experiences. I bought a PS3 a few months ago, and it's quite a nice machine... but it has some really odd decisions. You have to have the system on to charge the controllers by plugging them into the system. If you plug them into your laptop instead, they seem to unregister with the system and you have to pair them back up.

I call bullshit on this one. I often charge my PS3 controllers using the USB port on my Mac Mini, which also sits next to the television. I've done this with an original model PS3, and a 1-year-old PS3. It doesn't cause the controllers to unregister.

Then I decided to buy a game from PSN. I needed the latest firmware, which took a few minutes to download and a few minutes to install. Then I downloaded the game, which would only transfer at about 1.5Mbps, since Sony's servers are slow. Then the game had to install. All told it took 2.5 hours to play, mostly because of the slow download.

I think your Internet connection is 1.5MBps, because my transfers from PSN have been faster than that.

Then I saw a game on sale for my PSP that I wanted to play. Patapon 2, only a download. So I went and bought a memory stick for my PSP to hold the game (since my model was from when all games were on discs and they only gave 32MB memory sticks). So I download the new firmware, try to install it... nope. The battery has to be charged. My battery didn't charge, it's dead because it's 5 years old and never used. Having the system plugged into the wall isn't enough, you have to have a charged battery too.

FYI, the battery needs to be charged to a certain level because the firmware update needs to complete uninterrupted. It's the firmware. So the concept is if your AC power gets disconnected while running the firmware update, the battery has to have enough left in it that the firmware update will complete before the battery runs out. Yes, the PSP won't let you update the firmware without a decent battery charge (note: doesn't need to be 100%) but it's to keep you from accidentally bricking your PSP.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394072)

Since the theft of my OtherOS feature, I have purchased *nothing* for my PS3, new or used. I refuse to bolster the any aspect of the PS3 market, until what I paid for has been returned to me.
If SONY has an issue with the direction the aftermarket was taking the OtherOS, they are obliged to either supply the alternate OS, or make the option available as a switch, for those of us comfortable the "security" issue the OtherOS option poses (to them).
SONY doesn't belong in an open market.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0, Troll)

2obvious4u (871996) | about 4 years ago | (#33394400)

Whats a Sony? I've got an X-box 360, DS and a Dell. What do I need a Sony for?

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33394440)

If nothing else, for at least this one, solitary thing: Prinny [wikipedia.org] .

That is all.

Re:Fuck you, Sony (1)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | about 4 years ago | (#33395072)

Read this comment as I booted Disgaea 3 for the first time ^_^

Re:Fuck you, Sony (0, Flamebait)

couchslug (175151) | about 4 years ago | (#33396006)

"I can't escape that. "

Which is why your opinion doesn't matter to them, and is the equivalent of saying "I don't like the view from under this queening stool!". :P

"Oh, and guess what? I buy all your games USED."

Indirectly subsidising their business model is still subsidising their business model.

France (4, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | about 4 years ago | (#33393346)

They should relocate to France. French courts have already ruled circumvention devices legal [tomsguide.com] when there is no other way to run your own software on your machine.

Re:France (5, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 4 years ago | (#33393470)

Yeah but then you have to learn French, and you're also stuck living in France.

Some things just aren't worth it, mate.

Re:France (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393704)

This comment is full of win.

Re:France (4, Interesting)

debile (812761) | about 4 years ago | (#33393706)

Universal health care, cure French girls, good restaurants, great culture (ok ok immigration problems but hey, habla espagnol?)

France is not as bad as depicted, especially when you compare CURRENT standards of living in the US, not the ones that were true 5-10 years ago

Re:France (2, Funny)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | about 4 years ago | (#33393812)

Universal health care, cure French girls,

Why? Are they sick?

Re:France (1)

Surt (22457) | about 4 years ago | (#33394212)

Universal health care, cure French girls,

Why? Are they sick?

Nah, cure in the baking sense, because if you don't, you really don't want to cannibalize one. Too many diseases, plus you really need to get all that hair off to make them at all appetizing.

Re:France (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393814)

Universal health care, cure French girls, good restaurants, great culture (ok ok immigration problems but hey, habla espagnol?)

France is not as bad as depicted, especially when you compare CURRENT standards of living in the US, not the ones that were true 5-10 years ago

If we cure French girls, do we just call them girls?

Re:France (0, Troll)

mark72005 (1233572) | about 4 years ago | (#33393842)

Well, it seems to be France has much better leadership than we've been dealing with for the last several years. Especially now.

Re:France (2, Insightful)

Giometrix (932993) | about 4 years ago | (#33393852)

Universal health care, cure French girls, good restaurants, great culture (ok ok immigration problems but hey, habla espagnol?)

France is not as bad as depicted, especially when you compare CURRENT standards of living in the US, not the ones that were true 5-10 years ago

Except that based on other comments he's made, I don't think he's American, so it's irrelevant what American standards are...

Re:France (2, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 4 years ago | (#33394052)

Oh I know, I just like to hate on the French because I am Canadian, thus forced to try and learn the language for half a dozen years of my life despite whether I want to or not (and they're forced to try English whether they want to or not, so its a mutual dislike for each other). I wouldn't normally hold a grudge but the drivers in Quebec (mostly Montreal though) are quite possibly the worst drivers on the planet. The stop sign is just a suggestion over there.

None of that really has anything to do with France, in fact, I think the French don't like Quebec either, for butchering their language, but its all tomato tomahto in a general sense so all french get tossed in together. Is that fair? meh, C'est la vie.

Re:France (1)

dubbreak (623656) | about 4 years ago | (#33394840)

in fact, I think the French don't like Quebec either, for butchering their language..

As I assume the Brits aren't huge fans of Texans.

When I was in highschool I went to France with my remedial Canadian school system "French" (every useless noun you could ever learn, but not enough verbs to have a proper conversation). I was able to understand the French people no problem. They speak clear, slow, enunciate.. honestly it's a beautiful language.

Now compare that to the Québécois. Messy, fast, slurred with lots and lots of slang. To me it's like ear rape by comparison. They're shoving their dirty words in your ears as fast and hard as they can.

Re:France (1)

WaroDaBeast (1211048) | about 4 years ago | (#33394896)

Ah, didn't know you spoke French, which explains my... explanation above. Well... Quebec is worse when it comes to French! They added a new spelling for female writers ("auteure") and you'll get sued if you don't spell it "correctly." I wonder if people ask you for the correct spelling everytime you use that word up there, especially considering how much Quebeckers love using anglicisms, such as, "C'est très rough."

I'd say it's normal that you don't like a language that was foisted on you by language Nazis.

Re:France (-1, Troll)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | about 4 years ago | (#33394126)

*My* standard of living in the US is much better than what I'd get in France. Universal Health Care? Pass, I prefer my Health Spending Account thanks. Cute French Girls? Pass, have you ever slept with a French woman? *shivers* Good Restaurants and Culture? *sigh* Sir or mam, you need to travel a bit more. France is good at one thing: Being mediocre.

Re:France (0, Redundant)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | about 4 years ago | (#33394136)

What kind of disease do French girls have, and why would I want to cure them anyways?

Re:France (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394284)

the best things about french girls is not the way they look
it is the way they fuck

Re:France (1)

xtracto (837672) | about 4 years ago | (#33395582)

Forget all that irrelevant minor shit you mention... the *real* reason would be 30 paid vacation days each year and 35 hour week-work.

I am currently living in working in Germany and even so, I feel like my colleagues in France are *always* in vacation

Re:France (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393870)

Yeah but then you have to learn French, and you're also stuck living in France.

Some things just aren't worth it, mate.

Say fasile, mon frayer. Ay tudie avek "babelfish" ayt voos pearles frenchsais trays bonne. Jaime set lawng.

(What I said is mad funny if you speak both languages.)

Re:France (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393942)

(What I said is mad funny if you speak both languages.)

Confirmed.

Re:France (1)

WaroDaBeast (1211048) | about 4 years ago | (#33395934)

Aah, where I my mod points when I need 'em? :'D

Re:France (1)

2obvious4u (871996) | about 4 years ago | (#33394456)

At least the French are friendly to Nuclear Power. Bonjour, Comment êtes-vous?

Re:France (1)

WaroDaBeast (1211048) | about 4 years ago | (#33394746)

DISCLAIMER: I'm a native French speaker and a former language student.

I hafta agree that French is a PITA to learn. I would say that it's not consistent enough. There are so many exceptions to the exceptions of French grammar and spelling rules that... It just feels like one of those times when you try to compile some weird and/or complex piece of software yourself, and your OS keeps telling you you need yet another dependency. But yeah, that was mostly about written French, 'cause spoken French is much easier — no, those weird-sounding phonemes you can learn how to produce; it just takes practice and a good phonetics handbook.

Besides, you should never forget that the entire French territory is much bigger than most people think http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Outre-mer_en_sans_Terre_Adelie.png [wikimedia.org] (alright, almost no one lives in Clipperton and French Southern and Antarctic Lands, I'll give you that, but every other overseas territory is inhabited). Just don't go to Réunion if you hate volcanoes and cyclones — naaah, they're not as dangerous as you might think. ;)

Re:France (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about 4 years ago | (#33393472)

They should relocate to France. French courts have already ruled circumvention devices legal when there is no other way to run your own software on your machine.

How would they help? Sony is blocking the importation of them into Australia, and will do so in any other country that lets them (US for sure, and likely most of Europe and Canada as well).

Besides, Sony will continue to ban people from PSN when they detect it, simply because it violates the PSN ToS. And yes, that's ToS, not EULA, as PSN is not a requirement for PS3 owners.

Re:France (1)

ViViDboarder (1473973) | about 4 years ago | (#33395572)

If it allows homebrew then I think it'd fall into the new protections in the USA too now. I'm sure you probably saw the post about jailbreaking iPhones becoming "legal." I'm not sure, but is this case over the cracking of DRM or because Sony is claiming they are using propriety code without permission?

Title? (1)

Straterra (1045994) | about 4 years ago | (#33393376)

Am I the only one who read the title and thought that Sony was originally selling them, and then ceasing the sale of them?

Re:Title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393900)

Common Sense - You Lack It.

WTF? (3, Insightful)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 4 years ago | (#33393454)

Right, so Sony had almost exactly what they wanted in regards to control over their system. Then they decided that "almost" wasn't good enough and now they're knee deep in the shit storm they started and trying to litigate their way out of it. Its costing them in company rep and in their pocket books with legal fees.

I hope the industry learns something from this, but sadly it probably won't.

Re:WTF? (3, Insightful)

Surt (22457) | about 4 years ago | (#33393512)

I'm 100% sure they'll learn the lesson: you can successfully stop widespread distribution of hacks that jailbreak your system, and laugh all the way to the bank when no one cares and buys your system at christmas anyway.

Re:WTF? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393744)

You sir are a clueless cretin if you actually believe this dongle wouldn't be on sales had it not been for Sony removing OtherOS.

This dongle is for piracy, nothing else....

Simple as that, it does not allow you to boot Linux, and has no legitimate purpose. The backup excuse does not wash either, as Blu-Ray disks are not scratchable like DVD is.

Re:WTF? (4, Informative)

Swarley (1795754) | about 4 years ago | (#33393822)

Blu-ray discs are TOTALLY scratchable. Worse than DVDs actually. Netflix released their data on it and found that Blu-ray discs are damaged far more often than DVDs suffering the same treatment in their envelopes and by their customers. Other than that, I mostly agree with you. Backups is code for piracy for 99.5% of the people claiming it as fair use. Especially considering Sony has been pretty progressive lately about releasing formerly disc only games as pure download and install versions. It's not much, but it's progress...

Re:WTF? (1)

Schadrach (1042952) | about 4 years ago | (#33394826)

If I were willing to lay down the coin for a PSJailbreak, I know of a few games in my collection that would immediately get run through the Backup Manager if only because they have "unpleasant" load times and being on a HDD would vastly improve them. The lack of any other homebrew at this point makes it less attractive though, and by the time there is significant other homebrew it'll be cloned and cheap.

It's actually a bummer that it's not a reverse engineered JIG stick though -- if it were it would be essentially unpatchable, as the JIG is used to boot the thing in a factory repair mode, one that used for things like repairing a machine that has corrupted firmware. To do what they do with it, it has to work in a manner that circumvents the firmware.

I expect they'll start bans based on the application ID of the Backup Manager since that's the most they can do without a firmware update (and noone using one will update firmware). Which will in turn lead to it stealing it's signature from another app, much like DSi flash carts do (I know mine claims to be Danny Phantom).

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394866)

Maybe in your astroturfing dribble you failed to notice that this is in fact the first homebrew title. Did you not see the backup manager software in action? That means other applications will also run using the same technique.

As for legitimate, it clearly does have use for backups. How many people use CDs rather than some for of media player hooked up to their amp/receiver? It's about convenience. Same with games. Had sony bothered to let us users install games to harddrives, with very basic salted hashed keys for launching for their anti-piracy crap, a number of people buying USB vector hacks wouldn't bother. The only people buying such devices for piracy aren't going to be buying more games without it. Thus the net sales of games isn't going to change.

Sony are probably loving it that this is out. First, it means they'll sell more consoles as people will think lots of free games, and secondly, online gamer pirates will buy a second system for online gaming, just as they do now with the 360.

Re:WTF? (2)

X.25 (255792) | about 4 years ago | (#33395230)

You sir are a clueless cretin if you actually believe this dongle wouldn't be on sales had it not been for Sony removing OtherOS.

This dongle is for piracy, nothing else....

Simple as that, it does not allow you to boot Linux, and has no legitimate purpose. The backup excuse does not wash either, as Blu-Ray disks are not scratchable like DVD is.

You can eat a dick. You don't tell me what the fuck I do with my console, that I paid with my own money. If I want to fucking burn it, I will. If I want to insert a PSJailbreak in it, I will.

And you go and fuck yourself, along with your "I know what's best for you" logic.

Re:WTF? (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 4 years ago | (#33394434)

Devil advocate here:

Has Sony lost any real battles fought over the PS/3? A guy found a way to the hypervisor, so they zapped the Other OS feature. Someone else has a jailbreak dongle which got stomped out of existence.

I don't see anywhere in this matter where Sony is out any significant profits whatsoever. So far, having the most locked down platform with no usable cracks happening for almost five years, and when one does appear, siccing the lawyers and nuking it from orbit gets rid of it, seems to be a very successful business model. No JB-ed PS3s, no piracy.

So far, what Sony has displayed to the world, and what other companies are emulating is that locking down a device is extremely profitable. Until this fact is changed, we will be seeing more and more devices, be it smartphones, tablet PCs, TVs, and perhaps soon, computers end up walled gardens.

Re:WTF? (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 4 years ago | (#33394616)

Except for the fact that sony has lost an absolute truckload of money on the PS3 in general. These little bits are just adding insult to injury.

http://kotaku.com/5018899/sony-lost-over-3-billion-to-ps3-cost-pricing-imbalance [kotaku.com]

3 billion and thats from back in 2008. The thing only started turning a profit q2 2010 so tack on whatever was lost in the in between time, and sony is still lagging as the 3rd most popular console on a contest field of 3. This is the furthest thing from a successful business model.

Re:WTF? (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 4 years ago | (#33394726)

True, but they have lost nothing for having such a locked down platform. The fact that they have had -zero- piracy on the PS3 for years is something which draws the PC gaming companies to their platform like flies to fresh meat.

Unfortunately, these days, there is nothing a company will lose by having a locked down platform and everything to gain. Which is ironic. One of the reasons Sony lost the MP3 player game is because they had such Draconian DRM. This caused people to flee from Sony to first Creative, then Apple

Re:WTF? (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 4 years ago | (#33394890)

The thing you're missing is that the consumers are still flocking to the systems with less DRM. Sure Sony maintains a market share, mostly through virtue of its locked down platform attracting developers, but I would argue locking it down more when they reached an equilibrium that could eventually push more publishers onto their platform and have them maintain consumer market share only puts them in a position where they have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

A 100% secure gaming system with awesome graphics and nearly every major publisher on board is still going to be a failure if theres an alternative that has games that are "good enough" for most gamers and less of a pain in the ass to deal with so gamers flock to the other platform. Or to put it better, they can have everything else, but if they don't have consumers they're screwed anyways.

Good for the new so apple can't do this shit! (-1, Flamebait)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 4 years ago | (#33393504)

Good for the new so apple can't do this shit!

Re:Good for the new so apple can't do this shit! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393828)

Good for the new so apple can't do this shit!

What does this mean in English?

Re:Good for the new so apple can't do this shit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33395618)

Ideagasm.

Re:Good for the new so apple can't do this shit! (1)

Trufagus (1803250) | about 4 years ago | (#33394290)

I don't know what that means, but I'm glad that you brought Apple into this...

However nasty Sony's action in this case it is not jail breaking. Sony is taking action to protect their DRM. This would be equivalent to Apple taking action to protect fairplay.

Jail-breaking refers to cracking the bigger lock on Apple's iOS platform.

If we are careless with the terminology we will confuse the issues.

iTunes and Palm Pre (3, Interesting)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 4 years ago | (#33393510)

This reminds me of the situation with iTunes and the Palm Pre. Basically, the Palm Pre had a USB interface that claimed there was an Apple iPod, so that iTunes would transfer music to the device. Then Apple added code to iTunes to detect devices that _claimed_ to be Apple iPods, but were not actually Apple iPods, so this Palm Pre feature broke, and after another round of changing the Palm Pre interface and Apple again detecting it, Palm gave up.

Now this article proves that a USB device under control of an attacker is a possible attack vector. Which means that Apple was quite right, for security reasons, to refuse connection to dodgy devices. Of course this attack is slightly different; seems they first attacked the USB system software itself by plugging in intentionally broken USB devices, but it is quite conceivable that iTunes could be attacked by a USB device pretending to be an iPod (presumably anything that doesn't pretend to be an iPod, like the broken USB devices in this attack, would never make it to the iTunes software).

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (-1, Redundant)

odies (1869886) | about 4 years ago | (#33393632)

It's not an USB device, it just looks like one. You know, if it was you could just download the USB image from the Internet, either directly from the hacker or someone who uploaded it.

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 4 years ago | (#33393748)

Er, "USB Device" is any device that uses a USB bus. It's not specific to USB Mass Storage devices...

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (1)

spud603 (832173) | about 4 years ago | (#33393766)

I think you're confused about what USB [wikipedia.org] is.

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33395096)

Another stellar post by sopssa, or SquarePixel ... or odies? Too many sockpuppets makes a sad panda. :(

Hey boyo, USB device != USB mass storage device. Capiche?

Fucktard.

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (5, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | about 4 years ago | (#33393660)

the Palm Pre had a USB interface that claimed there was an Apple iPod, so that iTunes would transfer music to the device. Then Apple added code to iTunes to detect devices that _claimed_ to be Apple iPods, but were not actually Apple iPods, so this Palm Pre feature broke, and after another round of changing the Palm Pre interface and Apple again detecting it, Palm gave up.

Palm 'gave up' because the USB peeps told them to quit using Apple's IDs, which is against regulations - in response to Palm saying Apple were abusing the USB conformation specs by using portions of it as an access rights mechanism. There's no technical reason Palm couldn't have added whatever Apple ended up checking next to their device and had seamless sync continuing with iTunes; the game of cat & mouse would have left ever-fewer options with ultimately Palm as the winner. But that win would come at the cost of being kicked out of the USB club and then they'd have bigger problems to worry about.

As for the rest of your post.. yes - that's why Company X is quite right to only accept Company X keyboards, mice and webcams, and Microsoft-approved external drives, printers, scanners, etc. to connect to their computers and/or interface with their software. You know.. for security reasons.

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 4 years ago | (#33394444)

As for the rest of your post.. yes - that's why Company X is quite right to only accept Company X keyboards, mice and webcams, and Microsoft-approved external drives, printers, scanners, etc. to connect to their computers and/or interface with their software. You know.. for security reasons.

That's not what Apple did. They only accepted devices that claimed to be Apple iPods when they were indeed Apple iPods. You would have a point if the Palm Pre claimed it was a Palm Pre and was rejected; it would be absolutely fine if Apple rejected any device that identifies itself as an Epson scanner, for example, but wasn't actually an Epson scanner. In the case of the iPod, Apple isn't selling music with DRM anymore, but I'm sure their old contracts are still intact that don't allow them to download DRM'd music onto any players other than Apple iPods. Not on devices that claim to be Apple iPods, but devices that actually _are_ Apple iPods.

Re:iTunes and Palm Pre (1)

wbo (1172247) | about 4 years ago | (#33394958)

In the case of the iPod, Apple isn't selling music with DRM anymore, but I'm sure their old contracts are still intact that don't allow them to download DRM'd music onto any players other than Apple iPods. Not on devices that claim to be Apple iPods, but devices that actually _are_ Apple iPods.

The iTunes sync feature that made the Pre report itself as an iPod was designed to allow people who purchased DRM free tracks from iTunes to be able to sync them to the Pre for later playback. The Pre never had any support for DRM'd music tracks.

The problem is iTunes will only sync DRM free music with devices that are considered to be "trusted" by Apple which includes all iPods and a few other 3rd party players but not the Pre. Which was why Palm decided to allow the Pre to spoof the USB ID of an iPod.

Too late, Sony (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33393592)

The device has already been reverse engineered [psx-scene.com] . Expect clones very soon from countries whose courts won't kneel before you.

Re:Too late, Sony (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 4 years ago | (#33394602)

So it's a stack smash in the USB code? And Sony have already suspended distribution? I'm guessing that there'll be a patch for this within days, if there isn't already one ...

One Question (1)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | about 4 years ago | (#33393808)

There's something I haven't been able to find out about the mod device. If you have an old PS3 that's backwards compatible with PS2 games will the modchip allow you to play PS2 games off a hard drive?

Re:One Question (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | about 4 years ago | (#33393946)

I've been keeping up with this over the past week, and I don't believe the question has ever been asked. It would be nice, if homebrewers were able to write a ps2 emulator for the slims, so that you could do play ps2 games like sony originally intended. still makes no sense to me why they nixed it in the first place.

Re:One Question (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | about 4 years ago | (#33394056)

sorry for the dual reply, the PSJB im not sure of, but one of the clones, ps3Stinger, claims that it will not back up anything but ps3 games. this coming from their website itself, translated from Dutch

From Allsystemsgo.nl Translated to english

Very easy installation program guides you step by step through the installation
Works with all FAT and SLIM PS3's. Supports all regions: USA, JAP, PAL and KOREA
PS3 Stinger turn forced software updates and will NEVER destroy your console or bricks.
Supports all PS3 games (does not work with BluRay or DVD backups of movies or games PSOne/PS2)
Backup games to the internal hard drive or an external USB hard drive and run directly into the graphical interface
No expensive BluRay burner or expensive blank BluRay discs needed
The backups of the hard drive (internal or external) to be read twice as fast as the internal BluRay player
This prevents delays and jerkiness that the game still runs smoother
With the PS3 Stinger is possible to a whole new generation to run homebrew programs. These are easy to start any USB hard drive / flash drive
The PS3 is quieter, the disturbing sound of a BluRay disc to be loaded each time remains omitted
The PS3 is less hot, turning the disc in the drive is no longer necessary since the games are loaded from the hard disk
Completely updated with new features / updates to the PS3 Stinger on a computer to

Re:One Question (1)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | about 4 years ago | (#33394220)

Drat.

Arduino Time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33394224)

I seriously don't care about the new games. I am way more interested in emulating old systems and the hacking of the thing. I would love to see XBMC on the PS3 and maybe linux with 3d support.

I'm gonna grab my arduino and try to make one of this USB jailbreak things myself.

Am I the only one... (1)

mace9984 (1406805) | about 4 years ago | (#33394332)

that snickers a little on the inside everytime I see "dongle"?

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

PeterKraus (1244558) | about 4 years ago | (#33394644)

Wait till you hear a glaswegian say it. ..... dongoooooool .........

Quantronics (1)

quantronics (1888040) | about 4 years ago | (#33394430)

There is a funny part in the affidavit from the Sony engineer "without having possession of the device, it is hard to ascertain if it infringes on Sony Copyright" We will see what happens on Tuesday...

over reacting (DRM in general)? (3, Insightful)

AnAdventurer (1548515) | about 4 years ago | (#33395248)

Why is it that I can own a M4 carbine upper with an 11 inch barrel and do not need a NFA short barrel tax stamp as long as it is not installed on a M4 lower, but it's 10 kinds of law violation to sell a dongle that can jailbreak some specific computer platform? This planet make no sense what's so ever. I am going back to my veal fattening pen and watch some sitcoms.

Re:over reacting (DRM in general)? (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | about 4 years ago | (#33395630)

Why is it that I can own a M4 carbine upper with an 11 inch barrel and do not need a NFA short barrel tax stamp as long as it is not installed on a M4 lower, but it's 10 kinds of law violation to sell a dongle that can jailbreak some specific computer platform? This planet make no sense what's so ever. I am going back to my veal fattening pen and watch some sitcoms.

Actually the two examples might be better related than you expect... regardless, "copyright infringement" is easy to pull off, a federal crime and some corporations are tenaciously lobbying to protect their source of easy money. They perverse the law and the public perception of it.

Now the NFA is just bullshit, but as much as politicians preach gun laws to get the vote there's not nearly as much lobbying on the topic. I mean, plenty are talking about abolishing guns and others are talking about abolishing nearsighted gun laws, but there's not much being done about it as, say, gay marriage.

Anyways... people are far more likely to "pirate" games (a relatively harmless action that leaves the person free of guilt) than use their legally acquired and prepared short-barrel automatic rifle to kill or even threaten anyone.

Cute, but that's it (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | about 4 years ago | (#33395712)

The device seems impressive at a glance, particularly with the unbreakable vault that the PS3 has appeared to be, but it has little merit as an actual tool for breaking open the system and so far only seems to serve the purpose of copying games to play without the disk.

It's probably not even a stepping stone to a real hack. It does show that people are trying and this will certainly lead to a hack that doesn't involve buying something so the sources can't be eliminated with just a letter from an attorney.

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