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Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About Young

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the stupid-kids dept.

Idle 122

A study by Dr. Silvia Knobloch-Westerwick and co-author Matthias Hastall suggests that your grandma's self-esteem gets a boost when she hears about the stupid things young people do. "Living in a youth centered culture, they may appreciate a boost in self-esteem. That's why they prefer the negative stories about younger people, who are seen as having a higher status in our society," said Dr. Silvia Knobloch-Westerwick. From the article: "All the adults in the study were shown what they were led to believe was a test version of a new online news magazine. They were also given a limited time to look over either a negative and positive version of 10 pre-selected articles. Each story was also paired with a photograph depicting someone of either the younger or the older age group. The researchers found that older people were more likely to choose to read negative articles about those younger than themselves. They also tended to show less interest in articles about older people, whether negative or positive."

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nutshots rule (3, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438014)

That certainly explains the widespread appeal of youtube fail videos starring spectacular parkour and skateboard wipeouts.

Re:nutshots rule (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438134)

i think that stems from the hope we all get when we watch that nutshot that it wasn't the first time nor will it be the last for this person and there for increases their chance of removing them self from the gene pool.

Re:nutshots rule (1, Insightful)

harrytuttle777 (1720146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438890)

Sure, lets take everyone out of the gene pool who takes risks, and likes to experience a little danger. Too bad our great grandfather's didn't think the same way. Think of all the lives that would have been saved from starvation, drowning, and dehydration if our forefathers had had only decided to act responsibly instead of venturing out across new lands and seas when they had no idea what was on the other side. They probably didn't even have health insurance when the did it. Yes siree, safety and responsibility is the best policy. I can see absolutely nothing wrong with your line of reasoning.

Re:nutshots rule (3, Insightful)

Amouth (879122) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439228)

there is a difference between taking a risk and being stupid..

what you list is taking a risk.. grinding a rail with a high likely-hood of falling and giving your self a nutshot and not bothering to wear a cup.. that is stupid.. i can see making the mistake once.. that is why we have 2 of most things.. but more than once is just asking for it.

am i a fan of the always play safe? no.. do i care to wear a helmet when i drive a car.. no.. do i take the time to wear one when i race cars on a track, yes

YouTube Youth. (1)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438584)

You guys on your you tubes suck. Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!

Re:nutshots rule (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33441082)

Do you realise how much of an idiot you sound like when you use the word "fail" like that?

They have a saying (4, Insightful)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438020)

The youth is wasted on the young, but the decrepitude is aptly deployed on the geezers.

Re:They have a saying (2, Funny)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438184)

'Young' is a label that can be affixed on all young people.

'Geezer' on the other hand is a small subclass of older people.

Also, I wonder if Pete Townshend still hopes he'd died before he grew old?

Re:They have a saying (2, Informative)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439554)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/you-ask-the-questions-pete-townshend-660476.html [independent.co.uk]

You once publicly instructed the Rolling Stones not to grow old gracefully. What about Pete Townshend? Are you glad you didn't die before you got old?

Nick MacGregor, by e-mail

Ah hypocrisy! Does the questioner believe I am looking graceful? I feel like a wreck after five Who shows in the past week. Recently, I did my stint as an editor at Faber and Faber, and even that didn't feel graceful. How was I to know that the literary fraternity live harder, faster and more illicitly than rock stars?

And from People.com
Pete himself, who wrote in My Generation in 1966, "Hope I die before I grow old," now feels drastically different about aging. "Picasso," he points out, "still had a shining light in his eyes at 76."

from the get-off-my-lawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438024)

department?

Re:from the get-off-my-lawn (3, Funny)

mcvos (645701) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438200)

When I was young, old people were still properly annoyed at the stupid things we used to do, instead of secretly enjoying it!

+1 Redundant? (1)

notjustchalk (1743368) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438028)

Schadenfreude (Scha¦den|freude)

Pronunciation:/d()nfrd, dnfryd/

noun [mass noun]

* pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune

+

"Get off my lawn"

=

TFA??

Re:+1 Redundant? (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438528)

Isn't it "shameful pleasure"? I doubt the older folks were feeling ashamed ;)

Re:+1 Redundant? (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438564)

Isn't it "shameful pleasure"? I doubt the older folks were feeling ashamed ;)

No, but they should be. Along with all those who would enjoy the first several episodes of a new season of American Idol.

Which way... (2, Funny)

ShaunC (203807) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438060)

...to the farmers' market?

Get off my LAWN! (0, Redundant)

MonsterMasher (518641) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438082)

  "Get off my LAWN!"

Re:Get off my LAWN! (4, Funny)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438176)

"Trip and break your arm getting off my lawn! "

(which reminds me of the old joke...

A young person in a sports car cuts off an old lady in a Cadillac.

the old lady honks in irritation and the young person shouts out, "you were too slow! I'm younger and faster!"

to which the old lady guns her Cadillac into the sports car shouting, "Well I'm old and insured!"

Get off my WLAN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438248)

"Get off my WLAN!"

This just in (2)

KillaGouge (973562) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438100)

People like to hear about negative things happening to people not like them. This has gone on forever, is it even worth an idle story?

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33440112)

Ha ha, you got modded down!

hmm (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438106)

Reminds me of all the news stories who point out how today's 20- and 30-somethings are living at home with their parents, as opposed to the baby boomers who were ambitious and hardworking and started their own households in the early 20's. You can tell they were aimed at older readers because it ignores the fact how the boomers' greed destroyed the current economy, thus necessitating their children and grandchildren to stay home because they can't find jobs.

Re:hmm (-1, Troll)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438286)

Spoken like a true twentysomething living with his parents not LOOKING for a job and blaming other people for his inability to find a job from the comfort of his mom's basement.

Re:hmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438496)

This just in: Old people like WRITING negative stereotypical stories about the young, too.

Yes, I'll get off your lawn, sir.

Re:hmm (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438522)

Spoken like a true fortysomething whose deadbeat kids have moved back into their basement because they can't find a job!

Re:hmm (0)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33441450)

Well, no he's correct. The Baby Boomers were the original me first generation. Prior to them, it was considered a part of ones civic duty to make sure that the next generation had at least as much as they did and consequently there was still a social safety net at that point. The problem is that whereas in previous generations most of the problems were the result of ignorance, the Boomers were much more willful in it. Buying into malarkey like Ayn Rand and the notion that there was little to no obligation to ones fellow man. Not to mention that one got where one is by pure hard work and effort rather than the more realistic answer of nepotism and good fortune.

You look at people in their 20s and 30s and we're expected to be willing to work for free for a period if we want a decent job, the cost of education has gone up dramatically in the last 40 years, while the pay out for getting a college education has been going down. I may have missed it, but I don't think that back in the 60s people with a PhD were asked to work for what was barely a living wage, let alone even hired for coffee house type jobs.

Re:hmm (2, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439650)

Baby boomers were living on welfare on communes in the 60's and 70's doing drugs and having lots of sex.

Now that the boomers are grown up, they cut off all the benefits that their parents gave them.

The hippies who didn't turn hard-nosed dropped out and never got back up mostly. We call them "bums" and "homeless" today.

The 20's and 30's somethings would probably have more fun if not for lack of welfare and STD's.

Plus, I think people who were hippies expected less out of the world. And they were turned off by even the modest expectations of their parents. Today's 20's and 30's want to be exec VP, drive a $40k new car, and have a 3200sq foot micro mansion.

Re:hmm (2, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440964)

I don't know whether I should be jealous of old folks. They grew up with decent incomes, this "job security" thing I've read about, the financial ability for the average Joe to buy their very own standalone house and affordable new car that didn't suck ass, politicians that actually did the things you elected them to do, having a BSc was like having a PhD and having a PhD was like being God, and if you had unprotected sex you didn't have to worry about a slow death or horrific chronic illness.

On the other hand, no Internet and sucky electronics :-\

you fai7 its? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438128)

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Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About Yo (5, Insightful)

BergZ (1680594) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438148)

That would explain why we've been told, since the beginning of time, that society is collapsing and "kids have no respect these days":
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
~ Socrates (399 BC)

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438480)

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

~ Socrates (399 BC)

Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Socrates ever said that. Your quote first appeared in the book Personality and Adjustment in 1953. There is no evidence of the quote before that date. See

  http://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html [bartleby.com]
  http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=398104 [google.com]

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (4, Insightful)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438576)

Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Socrates ever said that. Your quote first appeared in the book Personality and Adjustment in 1953. There is no evidence of the quote before that date. See

If you want to get technical about it, there is no direct evidence of Socrates saying anything. Most of what we know about him is through second hand accounts.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (3, Informative)

ProteusQ (665382) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438680)

The works of Plato and Xenophon are direct evidence.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (3, Interesting)

Shoe Puppet (1557239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438692)

Most of which were by people who directly knew him (i.e. Plato) as opposed to someone who lived in 1953.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (5, Insightful)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438872)

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

~ Socrates (399 BC)

Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Socrates ever said that. Your quote first appeared in the book Personality and Adjustment in 1953. There is no evidence of the quote before that date. See

http://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html [bartleby.com] http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=398104 [google.com]

Although, from that second link, they make it clear that Plato claimed Socrates had made statements to that general effect, and Plato himself had directly stated something similar -- so while Socrates may not have said those specific words, it's pretty clear that both Socrates and Plato were saying things that were so similar as to be practically identical when the vagaries of translation are taken into account, as did Hesiod at roughly the same time. So the OP's point, that "the kids these days are all lousy slackers" was being made 3000 years ago, is still valid.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (2)

BergZ (1680594) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439314)

So the OP's point, that "the kids these days are all lousy slackers" was being made 3000 years ago, is still valid.

That is exactly what I meant.
Thank you for replying while I was busy.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (2, Insightful)

flynt (248848) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438760)

Didn't their society end up collapsing? Yes, the human race went on, but with quite a gap in the ideals of that culture.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (5, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438814)

Didn't their society end up collapsing?

Yes, and it collapsed because their warrior class spent all their time playing "oil the spear" with young boys. See? Kids destroyed ancient Greece. Q.E.D.

Re:Old People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About (2, Interesting)

avandesande (143899) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439214)

Many people believe there are multi-generational economic/social trends- I think there is more to it than carmudgeony old people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

cross their legs? (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439792)

wtf? I guess it was the age...

In other words... (1)

arkham6 (24514) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438298)

People like to read stories that confirm their own preconceived notions.

"Damn kids, back in my day we didnt do that sort of thing, we did it another way, and it was better! Kids ain't got no respect these days. And see? This book proves I was right!"

Re:In other words... (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438330)

People like to read stories that confirm their own preconceived notions.

Including, ironically, this one.

other cultures? (1)

mayberry42 (1604077) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438306)

I'm not entirely sold on the self-esteem would explain this: the elderly could be more pessimistic, perhaps they had a more negative experience during childhood (WWII anyone?) that they can better relate to, or perhaps they're cranky that they're about to die and jealous of the kids that can actually go out and have fun.

While I'm not entirely familiar with German culture (although i should be, half my office is German!), Europeans seem to have a much more respectful attitude towards the elderly than, say, the US (as can be seen, for example, by the number of elderly going to retirement homes, as opposed to being with the family). One way to test assertion this would be to compare the results with similar studies using polar opposite societies, one that is well known to respect the elderly (Japan? Italy?), while the other less so (US?). In addition to providing more credibility, it may also shed light on whether it's because the elderly are just simply cranky. just my $0.02

Re:other cultures? (1)

ljgshkg (1223086) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438526)

I don't think it's a matter of self esteem, it's more like a generation difference that make those "news". And by the nature of "news usefulness", I personally see negative news are a lot more eyes catching than positive news, as those are the ones that might damage you or your family and neighbours or the society in some way. At the end, what's the point of reading positive news about "other people" anyway. It's another story if it's "positive news" about a "society/country" in general instead of certain youth group. When those are positive, there are "nothing to complaint about" and hence nothing really matters.

I know enough about my generation that those "negative news" are actually not "news" but "olds" that I've been seeing since I read newspaper or say, since university time. And since you're young, the people you encounter the most are people elder than you, so you are suppose to know their positives and negatives too. It's those younger ones that we in general are less involved deeply with, hence their culture is "news" to us.

--- I personally think it's less a matter about culture in terms of respecting elder people. Of course, its' part of culture. But it's also about the power and status of elderies. Today's corporation culture, they always try to boost profit. And the elder people with higher wage are always seen as the ones to chop off. One might not be chopped off the branch, but I think this kind of corporation culture have a relatively high effect on how cultures respect the elder people. Because it somewhat "hint" (right or not) the usefulness of a person, and their "place" in a family, which in turns also further affect ones view on people of certain age outside your family. If the corporations pay more respect to those elder people with experience, I'm pretty sure the society will change in this.

Sorry, I'm not too good in explaining stuff (without spending time to re-edit, lol), but i guess I have my points through. :)

Re:other cultures? (1)

OffaMyLawn (1885682) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438620)

I'm willing to go with the "just simply cranky" comment.

The problem I run into was I was brought up to give respect to those that earned it. Just simply being old does not guarantee that you've earned my respect. That and most "elders" that I deal with on a regular basis refuse to ever admit they are wrong, and end up throwing a fit and avoiding any interacting with a given subject when proven that they are in fact wrong.

Re:other cultures? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33439936)

I'm not cranky, you whippersnapper.

Re:other cultures? (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440414)

I'm not entirely sold on the self-esteem would explain this: the elderly could be more pessimistic, perhaps they had a more negative experience during childhood (WWII anyone?) that they can better relate to, or perhaps they're cranky that they're about to die and jealous of the kids that can actually go out and have fun.

More likely it's biological. At younger ages we're evolved to desire risk, adventure, and a change in the status quo. Such behavior generally gives us a better chance at surviving as a species, and we select for those traits through our choice of mates. As you get older, though, you're less able to cope with change. The status-quo becomes desirable because it generally provides you with a better chance of living a long and comfortable life. Taking pleasure in the folly of youth is just an extension of that - it helps reassure you that things aren't going to change, and that "your way" really is "the best way". I doubt "experiences" have anything to do with it, otherwise we'd see old people in other cultures behaving in completely different ways.

And next week... (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438358)

This just in: Young People Enjoy Reading Negative Stories About Old People.

Re:And next week... (3, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438504)

Followed by: slashdot readers enjoy reading negative stories about attractive people that get laid on a regular basis!

And then... (4, Funny)

twoallbeefpatties (615632) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438718)

Followed by, "Low-Digit Slashdotters Enjoy Reading Stories About the Failures of Other Websites."

Re:And then... (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439850)

Schadenfreude baby...

NEWSFLASH: Humans enjoy feeling superior to Others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438370)

And when I was in college we all had great fun bemoaning the moral failure of the Baby Boomers who, in our view, abandoned their ideals in an orgy of 80s materialism. While there certainly was some truth to this, the bottom line was that we enjoyed negative stories about our elders.

The responses above where people seem to be taking glee in "proof" that old people have a negative bias towards the young only reinforces the point. They have negative biases about YOU, and vice versa. I would say, "get over it" but the real story is that I need to learn to write better grant proposals! I need research money to test this popular folk notion that the sun rises in the east.

So? (1)

DreamArcher (1690064) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438392)

And young people love reading negative stories about old people. i.e. this one. So what.

Re:So? (0, Troll)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33441498)

The difference is that the young aren't robbing the elderly blind. The elderly had their chance to make it big, but for whatever reason now feel entitled to year after year of social security increases, even as the wages that everybody else gets are flat or even shrinking with respect to the cost of living. Perhaps if the elderly as a whole had spent a bit more providing the youth with a proper education, keeping the jobs from going overseas and expecting them to work for free, there wouldn't be so much Schadenfreude going on.

thank you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438404)

thank you for the prince tag. .~.

Wonder who funded this? (1)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438466)

Those folks that want the young to be mad at the old so that they can get enough support to push the Social Security Trust Fund onto the stock market, where it may be more easily separated from the American people?

I question their methodology (2, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438472)

Each story was paired with a picture. All they've proven is that old men like looking at pictures of hot young girls!

Ummm so what? (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438482)

"Living in a youth centered culture, they may appreciate a boost in self-esteem. That's why they prefer the negative stories about younger people

Ummm so the lower status people living in an ageist culture enjoy something negative about the higher status people? Wow who would ever have imagined? The sad thing is that someone was actually paid to "discover" this utterly obvious bit of human nature.

Re:Ummm so what? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33441530)

Where have you been? If you think that the elderly are low status, you clearly haven't been a kid any time recently. Trust me, I still recall what it was like being a teen, no respect, few prospects for any sort of decent job, poor schools, exposure to violence, the elderly at least had their shot at avoiding that sort of ignominious fate, unless you're proposing the kids decide who their born to and state of living before being born.

Re:Ummm so what? (3, Insightful)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33441726)

Where have I been? Out in the world participating in it and watching what goes on. The article is correct - we live in a youth oriented culture and that's pretty obvious with a little bit of observation. Go to a retirement home and ask the elderly if they feel high status and valued by society... let us know what they say.

As someone who might be considered old (3, Interesting)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438510)

I would suggest that many 'old' people don't think of themselves as old. Thus they tend to see younger people as their near peers, and older folk as, well, old folk. So when we see our 'near peers' do something that we are too wise to do, we judge them as less than ourselves (and have a satisfying ego moment). And when we see 'old folk', we just seem to have less in common with them.

Re:As someone who might be considered old (1)

level_headed_midwest (888889) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440514)

No, it really appears to be a generational gap phenomenon than anything. A certain generation thinks that the other generations are somehow inferior to them- both the older and younger ones. They see the older generations as clueless and out of touch, while the younger generations are inexperienced kids who have no clue as to how "the real world works." I've heard the same thing from many people in many different generations, so it doesn't seem to be particular to any specific generation.

Re:As someone who might be considered old (1)

justthisdude (779510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33442642)

Heh, heh, heh:

Stupid old people!

Is this just a "I like my group better"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438512)

I wonder if this is a specific example of people enjoying hearing bad things about any group that isn't theirs. Like democrats liking bad stories about republicans (or visa versa).

This still doesn't explain... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438532)

...why "dead teenager flicks" are most popular with the teenage demographic. You'd think we'd see a bunch of old fogies cheering on the mask/shark/piranha/clown-in-sewer, and saying things like "Yes yes yes! DO check out that noise alone. Bwaaaa haa haa haa!" until they spit out their teeth. Somehow I just don't see Gramps renting "slumber party cheerleader holocaust", and I'm pretty sure the last time I saw "teenage hacksaw carnage VII" on the late-late show, there weren't any commercials for Fixodent.

Re:This still doesn't explain... (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439708)

They are really

"Give me a chance to be macho" and
"Give her a chance to be squealy"

So we can touch each other "accidentally" to get things started.

And usually a bit of... "watch the obnoxious rich attractive bully get killed in a nasty way"

Old people are miserable shits (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438556)

Like we really needed someone to tell us that old people are the worst people on this planet.

Re:Old people are miserable shits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33440126)

Herp a derp, you'll be young forever!

Re:Old people are miserable shits (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33442116)

Of course not but I'm certainly going to work exceptionally hard at not being an old miserable jerk as well. Imo, if all you can do is moan about things then it's probably time to hang it up.

They love seeing it too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438580)

All the "old people shows" like Law and Order seem to regularly feature some young person getting in trouble for something. Not plot-related, just as an unnecessary aside.

Maybe I can get a grant to study this! (1)

INT_QRK (1043164) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438598)

...and in other obvious "news," teenage boys like to lie about largely fantasy sexual conquests! --- Oooh...wait, maybe I can get a federal grant for that study...!

Even old people don't like old people? (1)

mdf356 (774923) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438628)

From TFS: "They also tended to show less interest in articles about older people, whether negative or positive."

So ... even old people don't like or care about old people?

Re:Even old people don't like old people? (1)

pyster (670298) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440012)

Why the hell would I want to read about some fat old fuck watching tv on his couch with a pile of sexed up socks in the corner? I live that life, like i need to read about it.

The worse is these ppl that go, you know 40 is the new 20... no dude. STFU. You are 40, your balls are sagging or your snatch is grey. And 60 is the new 40? Even if it was... ITS 40...

When you read shit you want to read shit about people moving and shaking... You also dont want to be reminded that you are old and the parts that used to be pretty art so pretty... Who wants to read about your depends?

Youth-centered culture? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438630)

Youth-centered culture? Is that why the boomers are doing everything they can to ensure that no subsequent generation will have the same prosperity they did?

Takes two things we already know... (1)

siriuskase (679431) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438730)

...and makes it appear that they have something to do with each other.

Negative news is more interesting than positive. People are more attractive to photos of attractive strangers than of unattractive strangers. Throw in another fact, old people are older than most people making news, and you get the results of this study. If the photo is of a well known celebrity or politician, it would still be clicked on more if he was in a scandal. And then another fact, people learn discretion as they age. Some of those young people having bad things happen to them are just immature. Someone established in business or society knows better than to appear on youtube falling down drunk.

Control Group? (5, Interesting)

KnownIssues (1612961) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438738)

How does this compare with young people's enjoyment of negative vs. positive storeis about old people? Because unless such a study shows that young people enjoy reading positive stories about older people more than negative stories, I don't see that this study has shown anything surprising or interesting. In fact, I don't see how this wouldn't boil down to "People in Group A enjoy reading negative stories about opposite Group B". I bet Democratics enjoy reading negative stories about Republics, Atheists about Christians, Children about Parents, Men about Women, Gamers about Non-Gamers, Nerds about Non-Nerds, Straights about Gays, I could go on.

Re:Control Group? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438828)

Perhaps, but I doubt young people enjoy reading negative stories about older people. Or positive stories about older people for that matter.

Re:Control Group? (1)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438970)

"I would bet"

Yes, but would you know? That's often the point of social psych studies--you expect something and, if you're not a dimwit, you're right most of the time. But you wouldn't know you were right until you did the study. (I actually find the original result interesting in its own right, too. After thinking about it, it matches the expectations I think I would have had had I considered the elderly's views of the young. But I wouldn't have thought of that without the above story.)

Re:Control Group? (4, Informative)

Trintech (1137007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439256)

As I pointed out in another post later on, the physorg writeup of this story was much more thorough.

From the physorg [physorg.com] article:

This study came about because a previous study by the same researchers, using this same data, had produced unexpected results, Knobloch-Westerwick said. The original study had hypothesized that people prefer media messages that portray people like themselves - people of the same age and the same gender, in this case. Overall, the original study found that was indeed true. However, the researchers were puzzled by the fact that older people in that first study seemed as equally interested in stories about younger people as they were in stories about older people like themselves.

This is what makes the study interesting and why it can't be chalked up to 'I don't like people who disagree with me'. Its too bad the summery failed to mention this.

Re:Control Group? (1)

DiegoBravo (324012) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440638)

> How does this compare with young people's enjoyment of negative vs. positive storeis about old people?

Please refer to TFA's postscript: the scientists indeed tried to collect such data, but the damn youths were not able to read any substancial story (positive or negative): they only read tweets.

Re:Control Group? (1)

SlurpingGreen (1589607) | more than 3 years ago | (#33442802)

Dude, non-nerds aren't real people.

I don't buy this study (4, Insightful)

fuego451 (958976) | more than 3 years ago | (#33438800)

From the blurb at the top, it sounds as though the researchers could have misinterpreted their results. I can't imagine an old fuck (love ya Georgie) like me getting an ego boost from seeing young folk fail, except for the mentally challenged or those in the beginning stages of dementia. I don't have much time left and it does my heart good to see younger men and women succeeding in every human endeavor around the world which, of course, includes my children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews.

Re:I don't buy this study (1)

INT_QRK (1043164) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439102)

Concur, seriously...

Re:I don't buy this study (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439844)

The old often envy and resent the young, sometimes openly, sometimes unconsciously. And it's hardly surprising that people want to hear about the misfortunes of those whom they envy or resent.

Re:I don't buy this study (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439980)

Yeah, old people who mis-spent their own youths like to see that other generations are making the same mistakes they made themselves. Pricks.

You kids are all jerks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33438876)

Get off my lawn.

Explains why old ppl vote Republican... (2, Insightful)

King Coopa (1374689) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439040)

Because they like to dump their problems on the young generation in the form of short-term gains.

Re:Explains why old ppl vote Republican... (1)

jmerlin (1010641) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439480)

You seem to have things backwards. It was Obama that spent trillions for "short-term gains" and his and other liberals' form of "long-term gains" is .. just keep spending hundreds of billions every year, it's fine, just write it into the deficit. Do realize spending federal funds like that places ALL of the burden on the young generation. There's a reason republicans are traditionally called conservatives, even if they've grown away from that in the past few decades.

Slashlag (3, Informative)

Trintech (1137007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439064)

Physorg.com covered this story [physorg.com] two days ago. Here is a link to the original article [osu.edu] from Ohio State University which sponsored the research.

Correlation is not causation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33439172)

So there is only one conclusion..."Living in a youth centered culture, they may appreciate a boost in self-esteem"?

So the immediate conclusion is that old people get their rocks off vis-a-vis the schadenfreude they experience reading negative articles about the younger generation. What a bunch of crap.

How about picking the articles in order to better understand their own children/grandchildren...to better relate to them and the challenges they face, especially in a society where technology is impacting human interaction?
How about keeping up with negative societal changes to better understand out how it may impact their own lives?
How about informing themselves out of sheer educational benefit?

How about the myriad of other reasons instead of immediately assuming the negative conclusion this article ironically blames them of?

Not true... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33439236)

at least, not as far as this grandma is concerned! I think it's just another attempt to force a wider gap between the generations (and judging by some of the responses here, it's not a difficult task). Oh, and just for the record, I am not a 'miserable shit' and I do NOT vote Republican. Talk about generalizations...

Black people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33439398)

I get the same kind of pleasure when I hear negative stories about black people. Maybe they should do a study on that.

Dr. Silvia Knobloch-Westerwick? (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33439532)

and her co-author Matthias Hastall

Heck, I feel better already! They should do this study in South Korea!

When I was young... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33439832)

When I was young I noticed the same thing. Have a good idea? Some old fuck would shoot it down, saying it was stupid, then afew years later someone would be making money off your idea... Old people do indeed love looking at young ppl and going phhhttttt. I vowed to never get like that... and I when I see my peers doing it tell them to STFU. I'm 41 now...

My advice to young ppl... Vote for carousel... Not only dont trust anyone over 35... Enact laws that would euthanize them.

As far as fail videos... I was not aware that it was young ppl failing in these videos. I've seen some great videos of middle aged women and cars...

Still... GET OFF MY LAWN.

Old people are wise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33440052)

Therefore, we should listen to them. They are 100% correct in their assessment. No possibility at all that aging simply destroys the brain cell by cell and renders you unhappy and unable to handle the reality of your own age.
Therefore we should not work on anti-aging technology.
Except that youth is better than age in every measurable respect, that is.

Whatever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33440240)

As a general rule, I think everyone "enjoys" reading negative stories about other people. I seriously doubt this is limited to this demographic. Most news media covers negative stories. It's what gets ratings and makes money for networks. Another essentially useless study that points out the negative aspects of humanity.

Not just an age thing (1)

vell0cet (1055494) | more than 3 years ago | (#33440572)

Whenever you start segregating into groups, you'll find that it results in an us and them mentality. Often that will result in appreciation of anything that makes "them" look bad and "us" better.

I'm sure that the same results would have been observed if the groups were conservatives reading negative stories about liberals or vice versa.

Those darn whippersanppers! (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 3 years ago | (#33441072)

Well...That just burns my britches!...Those meddling kids....There ought to be a law....Feh!

It's probably necessary for the elderly to read these articles and raise their blood pressure.
After all, it's probably the the closest thing to exercise they can safely accomplish.

As an Old Guy I Have A Different View (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33442756)

Given that newer, healthier folks are popping up daily; it concerns me that the youngsters have not learned very well from the mistakes of biblical proportions that others like myself have made. Lessons that the unlearned will learn will be repetitive, merciless, and unyielding.

Even more than that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33442880)

Even more than reading them, we enjoy telling negative stories about the young.

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