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NVIDIA Announces New Line of Fermi-Based Mobile Chips

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the double-your-solitaire-fps dept.

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MojoKid writes "NVIDIA has announced an entire line-up of Fermi-based GeForce GT and GTX 400M mobile GPUs, seven in total, and revealed a number of notebook design wins from major OEMs. Like their desktop-targeted counterparts, the mobile GeForce GT and GTX 400M series GPUs make use of technology from NVIDIA's desktop architecture, which debuted in the GF100 GPU at the heart of the company's flagship GeForce GTX 480. GeForce GT and GTX 400M series GPUs are DirectX 11 compatible and support all of NVIDIA's 'Graphics Plus' features, including PhysX, 3D Vision, CUDA, Verde drivers, 3DTV Play and Optimus dynamic switching technology. The GeForce GTX 470M and GTX 460M are the most powerful of the group and target enthusiasts and gamers, while the GeForce GT 445M, GT 435M, GT 425M, GT 420M and GT 415M target performance-conscious, but more mainstream consumers."

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That's a lot of model names (2, Insightful)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468836)

But how do they perform?

Re:That's a lot of model names (2, Funny)

e065c8515d206cb0e190 (1785896) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468890)

Better than the previous generation. Worse than their non-mobile counterparts.

Re:That's a lot of model names (0)

odies (1869886) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469144)

I bought a laptop with GeForce GTX 480M [avadirect.com] a month ago and the performance is awesome, you can basically set full resolution and all settings to max. Definitely best you can get for laptops at the moment.

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470042)

I bought a laptop with GeForce GTX 480M [avadirect.com] a month ago and the performance is awesome, you can basically set full resolution and all settings to max. Definitely best you can get for laptops at the moment.

What programs are you running at "full resolution and all settings to max"? Crysis? Starcraft 1?

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470892)

Hes running Pong!

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#33471322)

This review [notebookcheck.net] suggests that the 480M is good for perhaps 16.1 fps.

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#33471184)

What thermal compound did you specify?

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469188)

And do they die en masse every few months? I'm still a bit skittish over the whole bad bump debacle [theinquirer.net] ....

Let me answer to that (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469374)

Probably way better than their only remaining serious rival who are busy with removing a World known brand instead of fixing never ending Windows driver issues or the horrible image resulting from them.

Too cryptic? Well, it is ATI I talk about. I was thinking "oh these guys never satisfy?" while reading never ending whining (!) from their customers until I actually had to install ATI Windows drivers, control centre to a laptop and see they even linked to Microsoft .NET 2.0. Yes, 2.0.

They also seem to abandon actually working, still sold GPUs. With such rivals and Intel who tries childish tricks like excluding Geforce 2 introduced technologies (hardware T&L on i950, missing), NVidia is free to do/release anything. It will sure sell well.

Re:Let me answer to that (2, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469596)

With such rivals and Intel who tries childish tricks

Don't be surprised when Intel buys nVidia.

Re:Let me answer to that (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#33486458)

Intel has enough money to buy AMD several times over - but buying something like nVidia (or AMD, or VIA for that matter) might be veto-ed by the Federal Trade Comission (for anti competitive reasons)

Re:That's a lot of model names (3, Insightful)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469438)

Who cares? Between AMD and Intel, they are toast. Even AnandTech agrees http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row/7 [anandtech.com]

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470468)

Haha. The first thing that strikes me about that article is how they used a block diagram to explain the naming scheme .
 

Re:That's a lot of model names (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 4 years ago | (#33477732)

An Intel GPU outperforming a same-gen Radeon? Holy crap, did I wake up in an alternate universe today?

GF104? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468880)

I'm assuming that these are based on the GF104 and not the "Burn your house to the ground" GF100 series. The article doesn't say.

Re:GF104? (2, Informative)

jandrese (485) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468926)

They are GF104 based according to some other sources on the web. It's really the only thing that makes sense, short of a whole new chip (unlikely).

Re:GF104? (1)

RecessionCone (1062552) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470546)

No, they're actually based off of GF104, GF106 and GF108. If you read the articles, you'll see 3 distinct chips pictured: A big rectangular one (GF104), a medium sized, square one (GF106), and a small square one (GF108). These chips are all soon to be launched on the desktop as well.

You've crossed a line (1)

AntEater (16627) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468896)

I think there are more product names than words in that summary. What was this all about again?

Re:You've crossed a line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33469004)

product names still include words, in addition to numbers and occasionally cymbals

-ur friendly neighborhoud grammer nazi

Re:You've crossed a line (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470564)

We are talking about graphics cards, not music instruments.

Re:You've crossed a line (1)

StarsAreAlsoFire (738726) | more than 4 years ago | (#33477102)

but you know marketing would include cymbals in the name if they could.

Re:You've crossed a line (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469070)

They found this site [futureboy.us] , and didn't want it to go to waste.

This reads more like a press release than news (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 4 years ago | (#33468996)

Every third word is a number, and the story lists a long string of proprietary "technologies" and marketspeak. The story is also peppered with no less than five marketing images from Nvidia.

Re:This reads more like a press release than news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33470252)

Welcome to technology 'journalism', beaten out only by videogame publications in sheer ass-licking.

Actually it's funny; the press release is at the bottom of the page, but I thought I was already reading it before that.

What's the point? (1, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469146)

99% of laptops do not have a cooling solution robust enough to handle a dual core CPU and a proper graphics card going full throttle.
I point a fan at my laptop whenever I have to do anything intensive so that it won't throttle back or just shut down.

Re:What's the point? (4, Insightful)

eviljolly (411836) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469424)

This is kind of like saying "The average car cannot handle 400 horsepower."

Well of course not, because the average car wasn't designed to handle it. Nobody would put a transmission that can handle 400 horses into a car that only produces 100. Laptops are built to spec. There are dual, even quad core laptops out there that handle 100% load just fine. Many of the new i5 and i7 based laptops come with graphics cards powerful enough to run Crysis on high settings, and within reasonable temp ranges too. That's not to say there aren't poorly designed laptops out there that overheat, but 99% is a huge exaggeration.

There *is* a point to high end graphics in a laptop though; 3D modeling and gaming just to name a couple. Personally, I'm deeply interested in the performance of laptops, as I believe they are a huge part of what drives manufacturers to make more efficient designs.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469436)

No, the cooling solutions are robust, the urethane thermal heat pads making the connection between die and heat sink are what suck.

Less power for the job (3, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469444)

I use G4 Mac to read your comment and reply, on Safari. It is like 4 hours of battery on laptop remaining. How? Apple, while still old good Apple, put a real, designed to accelerate 2D/3D GPU to the laptop. GeForce FX Go5200. That is some old GPU but I am sure it uses considerably less power than a integrated intel junk.

Newer nvidia stuff, with seperated/optimized mobile drivers does considerably better. That is part of magic on 13watt idling Mac minis who have significant issues even compared to a large laptop.

With Windows 7, a modern x.org based Linux&BSD and OS X, having a good GPU optimized for job is way more than "500 fps gaming".

Buy a better laptop (3, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469574)

Or maybe blow the dust bunnies out.

Seriously, it should be no problem for a performance laptop to handle intense work. I have an MSI GX640 which has an i5 and a 5850M and it cools itself fine. I can play high end games and life is good. The fan spins up, of course, but the laptop has no failures.

If yours can't handle its hardware there's one of three things going on:

1) You upgraded it after the fact to hardware beyond it can handle. Don't do that, read up on the thermal limits and stay in them.

2) It is full of junk and can't cool properly. Clean it out. In any environment, but particularly in dusty ones, you need to clean your cooling system to keep it working well.

3) Your laptop is a crap design, get a better one.

I don't have a great deal of laptop experience, a desktop is my main system, but all the laptops I've had could cool themselves without a problem.

Re:Buy a better laptop (2, Interesting)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470278)

Or maybe blow the dust bunnies out.

Often you have to dismantle the entire laptop to get at the HSF.

Removable dust filters sure would be nice. Thanks to those my desktop is cleaner on the inside than the outside. Even after 1.5 years of neglect in a dusty room, it was spick and span when I went to work on it a couple of weeks ago.

Re:Buy a better laptop (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470316)

Ya, never been a fan of that design. Again I'll pimp the GX640 as it has a removable back panel that reveals RAM, processor, GPU, wireless and HSF.

Re:Buy a better laptop (1)

TheTyrannyOfForcedRe (1186313) | more than 4 years ago | (#33476674)

Get a can of compressed air. Turn off laptop. Blow air into that big square hole on the side of the laptop, the one with all the shiny copper fins in it. Done.

Re:Buy a better laptop (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#33476846)

Thanks for the suggestion. I wonder where you learned that trick?

Could it have been... the very first line of the two preceding posts?!

Re:What's the point? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33470538)

The point is you want to use whatever hardware is most efficient for the job. Perhaps you missed the news over the last year or so that showed adding an NVIDIA ION chipset to an Atom processor actually *increased* your battery life. If a GPU can perform a unit of work while burning through less power than a CPU would require to do the same work, you'd be nuts to use the CPU to do it.

Re:What's the point? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33470960)

Sager is the 1% of laptops that *do* have a proper cooling solution. My i7 gtx 285 runs cooler than my desktop!

Besides, I'm glad that NVIDIA continues to support laptop and mobile devices. ATI/AMD/whatever-they're-called-now doesn't offer much support. They even have a disclaimer on their website when downloading their drivers which goes something like "installing this on a laptop? good luck with that".

Re:What's the point? (1)

fostware (551290) | more than 4 years ago | (#33472608)

Asus G73jh running quite well (cool) here as well...

Purchase decision relied on 1) no nVidia, 2) no SLI/CF and 3) no Dell.

My m1710 died three times, my (free replacement) m1730 died twice. Not willing to take a chance with a m17x R1 or R2
I do miss CUDA though.

Check the thermometer (1)

mallyone (541741) | more than 4 years ago | (#33471072)

99% of laptops do not have a cooling solution robust enough to handle a dual core CPU and a proper graphics card going full throttle. I point a fan at my laptop whenever I have to do anything intensive so that it won't throttle back or just shut down.

Maybe the "apartment" in your mom's basement might be too warm to surf n0rp "full throttle"?

In Elite will be thrilled with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33469260)

In Elite is a notorious Nvidia troll that stalks ATI websties and makes ridiculous claims about Nvidia. He will be up all night saying how l33t Nvidia is now despite having Intel Integrated graphics on his computer.

Re:In Elite will be thrilled with this (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469456)

Go back to /g/, nobody cares about tripfags here.

Re:In Elite will be thrilled with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33474234)

Considering that most people here are registered and wank off to low IDs that is quite unexpected.

I'm sorry for not following the news (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469556)

But could you at least talk a bit about what "fermi" actually is?
 

Re:I'm sorry for not following the news (2, Informative)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469788)

Anyone who has even considered buying a graphics card recently knows that Fermi is the latest-generation GPU architecture from NVIDIA. It uses smaller transistors and crams many more cores on to one chip compared to previous generations.

nVidia's DirectX 11 graphics chip (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469842)

That is all there really is to know. It is their latest generation of graphics hardware, and fully supports the most current standards.

Call me when they start making pcmcia video cards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33469720)

Seriously, why the fuck can't I upgrade the graphical capabilities of a laptop with a simple pcmcia solution? Y'know what that bullshit is? It's bullshit.

Re:Call me when they start making pcmcia video car (1)

partyguerrilla (1597357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33469988)

Because speed.

Re:Call me when they start making pcmcia video car (2, Interesting)

Decker-Mage (782424) | more than 4 years ago | (#33472424)

'Cause the PCMCIA interface spec can't support the data transfer rates required. We'd need a newly engineered solution. Frankly I don't expect the notebook form factor, let alone netbooks, tablets and smartphones to continue in their current form factors. Research in materials science is yielding ever more interesting materials to work with to come up with more desirable form factors. I can somewhat see where it will end up but expect a rapid turnover in approaches for the next decade.

Re:Call me when they start making pcmcia video car (1)

TheTyrannyOfForcedRe (1186313) | more than 4 years ago | (#33476722)

Laptops don't used the PCMCIA interface for internal graphics solutions. Besides, the little expansion slots on the sides of laptops have used PCIe for ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_card [wikipedia.org]

Re:Call me when they start making pcmcia video car (1)

Decker-Mage (782424) | more than 4 years ago | (#33480146)

I never said laptops used PCMCIA for graphics and asserted that it would be impossible to try. As for using PCIe, none of the ones around here do and I've worked on more the few of late. So... it's news to me. So noted and thanks!

I hope they use this for a desktop board (3, Insightful)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | more than 4 years ago | (#33470452)

I mean so they can make a "modern" board for a desktop machine that doesn't require 2 6-pin connectors and draw 200 watts.

how about openGL? (1)

mallyone (541741) | more than 4 years ago | (#33471468)

Will these be openGL 4.0 spec'd also?

how about KMS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33471736)

Wll these be Kernel Mode Setting spec'd also?

How many of those run on free software drivers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33473020)

That's about the only interesting thing about them.

'Mobile' in what sense? (1)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | more than 4 years ago | (#33477436)

By mobile do they mean 'intended for notebooks' or 'generate enough heat that the explosions will propel them over great distances'?
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