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Former HP CEO Selected As Oracle Co-President

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the out-with-the-old-in-with-the-old dept.

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theodp writes "Late on Monday, Oracle announced that ousted HP CEO Mark Hurd has joined the company as a co-president and a director. Hurd resigned from HP a month ago, after an investigation by the board into a personal relationship with a contractor turned up questionable expenses. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, a personal friend of Hurd, criticized HP's board at the time, saying it was 'the worst personnel decision since the idiots on the Apple board fired Steve Jobs.' 'Mark did a brilliant job at HP and I expect he'll do even better at Oracle,' Ellison said in a statement Monday. 'There is no executive in the IT world with more relevant experience than Mark.' Stepping down to make room for Hurd was Charles E. Phillips Jr., who had some personal relationship issues of his own."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33496850)

first post

I wouldn't call that personal relationship issues (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33496858)

Getting laid by more than one woman is not an issue :) It's a blessing.

Re:I wouldn't call that personal relationship issu (1)

605dave (722736) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497014)

It can be. But as I recently said to a friend, two women equals twice the drama, headaches, and all the rest.

The price of bigamy (2, Insightful)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497178)

Multiple mother-in-laws.

Re:The price of bigamy (2, Funny)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497286)

Getting laid by multiple mother-in-laws is really pretty twisted.

Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (5, Insightful)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496872)

Hey you gotta give it to the man. Larry Ellison puts his money where his mouth is (when saying HP made the worst decision ever in firing him).

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (4, Insightful)

helix2301 (1105613) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496952)

Ellison has no problem saying how he feels he is at a point in his career he says what he wants and does what he wants. Mark Hurd will do a great job at Oracle good acquisition by Larry Ellison.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497174)

...........,,,,,,,,

There are some extra periods and commas I had laying around. If you need more, I'm sure others have extras too.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497696)

please feel free to help yourself i also have problems with sentence construction and i have some capital letters if you think they would be useful to start sentences and proper nouns .,ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497900)

> I had laying around.

No, they were lying around. This distinction isn't difficult.

A hen lays whist lying down.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498318)

A hen lays whist lying down.

Here, you can have my l. Please give it back when you are finished. I don't want to have to steal it back from you.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (2, Funny)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498856)

Laying 2 women at one time, he'd have twice the periods he used to have!

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (5, Interesting)

Migala77 (1179151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497194)

Mark Hurd will do a great job at Oracle good acquisition by Larry Ellison.

According to an article at TechCrunch [techcrunch.com] , he didn't do too well at HP: "Word on the street is Hurd wasn’t let go for his affair or even for his embellishment of trivial expense reports. Instead the board kicked him out because his employee approval rating was absolutely atrocious."

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497418)

In that case they would be the first technical company to remember the very few simple maxima:

1. A manager delivers through his subordinates. Screw them once, twice, thrice and at the end the result is that you are no longer able to deliver.
2. If staff is considered a "resource" than the manager is doubly so.

To be honest, I find that difficult to believe in. If that is indeed the case in HP some deep drilling is on order. It should be possible to counteract global warming by pumping heat into the frozen depth of Hell.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (5, Interesting)

VolciMaster (821873) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497632)

In that case they would be the first technical company to remember the very few simple maxima:

1. A manager delivers through his subordinates. Screw them once, twice, thrice and at the end the result is that you are no longer able to deliver. 2. If staff is considered a "resource" than the manager is doubly so.

To be honest, I find that difficult to believe in. If that is indeed the case in HP some deep drilling is on order. It should be possible to counteract global warming by pumping heat into the frozen depth of Hell.

You must have never worked at HP, then - the overall employee morale is extremely low (at least in the US, Romania, Spain, and UK, where I've directly interacted (and worked) before). A complete lack of focus on customer support for enterprise products, refusal to try to keep senior engineers and support staff, and the list goes on.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497860)

"Doing well" is relative. He fired people and cut pay, so the company is crippled. Now the people who knew how the business and apps run either work for someone else, or don't care. The stock went up 40% under him, however. So "doing well" depends on your point of view.

He knew how to run a company in the short term, which is what Oracle is best at. Minor improvements to a largely crappy product with expensive upgrade costs. Great business model, unless you want to retain customers. That's the Hurd way, that's the Ellison way. Neither is very good at long term planning. Ellison has gotten lucky so far, in the same way Bill Gates got lucky - he's now embedded in so many places it would be almost impossible to stop the gravy train. The product can suck donkey balls and have poor management tools, but it's stuck and will keep getting upgraded until it works.

Same as Bill Gates, Larry has a bunch of customers using the product that don't like it very much. Or they don't know that better options exist. And Hurd's employees felt the same way - either they hate the company (low morale) or they don't know anything different. A lot of coworkers are keeping their jobs solely because people are not hiring unemployed people. They know that the first people to go are probably the scrubs, so if you retained your position you're probably worth hiring. At this point, people would rather suffer than have an employment gap in their history, so we spend the extra hours to make up for the loss of intellectual capital and manpower.

It makes employee productivity look great, and makes the expenses of keeping the firees look unnecessary, but we're not delivering what we could deliver. And I think the HP board was starting to see that. Even a product company needs smart people to come up with ways to market and sell, and all companies need R&D, so you have to value your employees as assets. A Starbucks location with expensive rent could look like an expense to be cut, but if it keeps your profits up it's probably better to keep it. Same with expensive employees. Mark looks at numbers.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (2, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498884)

Frankly, I'm kind of amazed that Microsoft hasn't been able to make stronger inroads with SQL Server in more of the Oracle shops.

Yeah, you can't run SQL Server on anything but Windows, but honestly, 90% of the big businesses I have personally seen using Oracle are running it on Windows anyway.

Microsoft should seem like a big, stable, sueable-in-case-of-catastrophe kind of company to all the same kinds of managers who would be scared to death of adopting an Open Source solution even in the cases in which they're clearly superior across the board. (Otherwise I'd also be wondering why PostGre isn't eating more of Oracle's lunch, too.)

SQL Server has ridiculously better tools included (it's telling that to work on an Oracle database you generally use someone else's tool and never the ones Oracle provides because they're expensive, terrible, or both -- in some cases you're even better off using an Open Source tool a decade old) and is a lot less expensive.

I don't get it. Oracle DBAs managing to advocate for their own job security?

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499358)

Actually Oracle DBAs advocate because few environments are as robust as the one Oracle provides. Basically Oracle sets the bar for what people think should be included in a RDBMS. SQL server has improved performance dramatically to where it is beginning to be competitive. MySQL is non-starter as it doesn't compete with Oracle. Postgresql is probably the best free alternative option containing a lot of the features that modern applications require although it still lags in performance when compared with Oracle.

When it comes to Oracle, the DBMS is a solid product that you can rely on for mission critical applications. All their other stuff is crap which is why the DB is Oracle's bread and butter. Of course Oracle shot themselves in the foot with the 11g platform as it is resource intensive to deploy any applications for it. Oracle reports is now pretty much useless as it requires the Oracle Internet directory which almost no one wants to deploy on top of AD or OpenLDAP. Of course as always the management tools they provide are utter crap too. Even the report builder is crap and it's the only way to develop reports for Oracle reporting. For some projects we've even taken to using MS SQL to replicate data from the Oracle DB and using SQL Reporting services as they are much more friendly and actually work.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (2, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499440)

I'd argue two things:

Yes, Oracle is robust, but it's a level of robustness 99% of business applications don't actually need. Basically, Oracle is perenially successful at the equivalent of selling soccer moms who want to take their kids to practice and haul groceries home formula one race cars (complete with pit crew) instead of used minivans.

Performance-wise, at some point and in most cases, you can close the gap by throwing more/faster hardware at the problem -- and usually this is still ridiculously cheaper than the Oracle solution.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497884)

Since when any board gives a fuck about how their employees feel like?

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498908)

Since when any board gives a fuck about how their employees feel like?

You first day English talk?

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498498)

Weird, since most people on earlier /. stories, as well as news outlets, credit him for navigating HP through some tough times, esp. with the bad decisions of former CEOs. This is actually traceable with HP doing quite a bit better after he was hired.

Also, most seem to consider the firing a political move--someone wanted his position. Your "word on the street" seems similar to the earlier rumor where he was fired for his poor performance as CEO, until others pointed out that wasn't the case either.

"employee approval rating"

So he was fired because people didn't personally LIKE him? How high school. Vote in the incompetent, lazy, popular kid, not the geek who people hate but that was some great fundraising, the funnest homecoming in years, and people are getting along better and the community now respects the high school because we pick up the litter in the surrounding neighborhood twice a month (largely left by fellow high school peers or school related activities).

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33499048)

Morale is low because both Fiorina and Hurd faithfully implemented the policies put in place by the Board of Directors. As far as I know, Hurd was much more adept than Fiorina at operations and at getting the different HP divisions to work together. But the change in direction away from the traditional "HP way" of engineering the highest quality to being just another EDS/IBM IT services clone using the cheapest parts available was a decision made by the Board of Directors, not the President. Sounds like the Board is blaming the President for the problems caused by their own poor choices.

Oracle has a culture of being extremely tolerant of sexual harassment... Hurd should fit right in!

Well, yes, gotta hand it to Larry (4, Interesting)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497426)

Well, yes, you gotta hand it to Larry. Whether it's using his money to basically bully those criticizing a pal for his defense of overt sexual discrimination (see, eg, http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/06/28/oracles_ceo_cancels_115m_gift_to_harvard/ [boston.com] ), or rescuing a pal which was likely actually ditched for being an asshole all around and driving employee morale to new lows, it's up to Larry to don his superhero cape and come to the defense of pricks, assholes and bigots everywhere. Making the world safer for well-connected sociopaths and the ol' boys' club, one person at a time. You can practically imagine him flying away from a crime scene, wind blowing in his cape, with starry eyed housewives going, "Thank YOU Captain Asshole! Whatever would we have done without you?" ;)

Re:Well, yes, gotta hand it to Larry (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497772)

No kidding.

If Ellison isn't king of the douchebags, I'm not sure who would be. I weep for Java in his hands.

Re:Well, yes, gotta hand it to Larry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498766)

What overt discrimination? He said there could be fewer women in the high end of science because small variations in aptitude in the lower level are magnified in the upper levels, didn't he? Seems a valid hypothesis, are people not allowed to make theories that don't fit ridiculous PC expectations anymore?

I don't know why someone would not discriminate, as a matter of fact. Two candidates being "equal", seems you'd always take the male. Less chance of family leave, more likely to work extended hours, less chance of baseless discrimination claims (yes, I see the irony), less chance of having to deal with harassment claims.

All of those are facts. Now please explain why, again assuming two candidates seem equally capable of doing the job, you would _ever_ pick a female over a male.

Re:Well, yes, gotta hand it to Larry (4, Insightful)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498874)

Now please explain why, again assuming two candidates seem equally capable of doing the job, you would _ever_ pick a female over a male.

Boobs. :)

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (2, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497486)

Yeah, he really put his money where his mouth is this time. Snapping up an experienced CEO and creating a new position for him just shows how much he is impressed by the guy.

The fallout over at HP is well-deserved. You don't let someone go because of allegations -- you let them go because of convictions. Letting them go because of allegations is playing politics, not running a business.

Personally I've thought HP/Compaq have been on the way down for some time now. While they used to build solid hardware, we've had no end of reliability problems with this past year's models. It's gotten so bad that we're actively seeking other hardware vendors.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (4, Interesting)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497568)

Wait, so was it a good hire because he was let go over allegations rather than convictions, or a bad hire because he was head of HP during a period in which they 'have been on the way down for some time now'?

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497718)

The fallout over at HP is well-deserved. You don't let someone go because of allegations -- you let them go because of convictions. Letting them go because of allegations is playing politics, not running a business.

Uh, that's what HP did.

Hurd's sexual harassment was alleged, yes.

Hurd stealing from the company in the form of expensing stuff for his mistress under something else, however, isn't in question.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497902)

The fallout over at HP is well-deserved. You don't let someone go because of allegations -- you let them go because of convictions. Letting them go because of allegations is playing politics, not running a business.

Uh, that's what HP did.

Hurd's sexual harassment was alleged, yes.

Hurd stealing from the company in the form of expensing stuff for his mistress under something else, however, isn't in question.

Most people seem to forget that part, and only focusing on the harassment. To me this proves he must have a really strong stupid streak. When you earn millions of dollars, why on earth do you risk misusing 20.000$ of company money on private entertainment of a woman you like. You earn enough to pay for a few hotel and restaurant bills yourself, for crying..

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499506)

Cheers to that man, my last three server buys were custom builds because of the decline in HP quality. Doesn't help that when I actually do break down and call HP carepack I have to explain it to some guy that barely speaks English who then sends a tech who has no idea what he's doing. I always get the same tech which once had the audacity to just shut off power distro in a rack rather than just unplug the power to the server he was doing warranty work on. Ever since then I have to babysit him. I wish they would just send me the parts.

Then of course there's this whole cost cutting measure of including non-ECC ram in server bundles so when you upgrade you have to replace the memory that came with it or buy more non-ECC ram and suffer stability. It doesn't help when they release a product too soon as well such as the Proliant DL 165 G7 which apparently had motherboard issues resulting in a recall. I had to go way up the supply chain to find out why a product that was in-stock when I ordered it took three months for it to get delivered. Dell hasn't improved at all either as I got desperate to find another server supplier. With the poor quality in most of the big dealers from IBM, HP, and Dell that pretty much leaves you with just building your own which works for small projects but isn't too practical for larger projects.

Seems these days the big guys are doing everything in their power to stop me from buying from them. I can accept that as I have a line of guys now that assemble servers pretty quickly. Supermicro quality has remained pretty consistent.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497806)

It's easy putting your money where you mouth is if you are: (a) very rich and (b) totally egotistical to the extent you cannot imagine you are wrong.

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497872)

If he was making "questionable expenses", injuring the company to please his mistress, then maybe he's not so great after all. But it seems that, among CEOs, a little nepotism is OK...

Re:Larry Ellison Doesn't BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497982)

Yup, no bullshit, except for all the lies he tells himself about how wonderful of a human being he is.

Millions of people are starving because of the greed of people like Larry.

At Oracle you get fired (2, Funny)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496886)

for *not* sexually harassing!

Re:At Oracle you get fired (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497010)

I thought it was only for failing to "COMMIT" your "TRANSACTION"?

Re:At Oracle you get fired (1)

Migala77 (1179151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497066)

No NULLs allowed in their relational model. But they do like their strings, as long as they are of limited size.

Re:At Oracle you get fired (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497104)

Don't BS.

Oracle/Ellison would be just as upset if you did your commits on two different databases.

But sseing how you're a Slashdot A/C... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497550)

...you probably have autocommit enabled.

Re:At Oracle you get fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498074)

At Oracle you're expected to JOIN two tables together that you LIKE, perhaps involving a foreign key, maybe do a few GROUP BYs, then ROLLBACK your transaction.

Fuck these are bad jokes. Posting AC as a result.

I'm torn on this one....... (5, Insightful)

scosco62 (864264) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496892)

Is this a case of a "good old boys" club, where one of the insiders takes care of his buddy -or- He believe that Hurd is really that good.......sounds like the latter... This contractor thing is idiotic, both that a guy in such a position would get himself into such a ridiculous position - and that the board would make a big deal about it. I suspect that if they really wanted to keep him .... the whole thing would have just "gone away".... so there's some subtext here, somewhere.

Re:I'm torn on this one....... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497170)

I don't think being a good executive in some ways and thinking too much with your dick in other ways is mutually exclusive. It might be just be business in that Ellison sees him on "fire sale" and figure the PR hit is worth it...

So good in which way? (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497628)

Hurd has been so good in which way? He managed to squeeze a short term spike in profits by basically nuking the R&D budget. Essentially he's been selling the seed corn, to look like he's getting more results fast.

Exactly how would that make him the right guy for Oracle? I'm open to the possibility that that might even be the case, but please explain how. Exactly what of all he's done at HP would tip Oracle off that he's probably the right guy to recruit for the top?

Re:So good in which way? (2, Insightful)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498200)

Well, databases are exactly a hot innovation area any longer. Oracle has been squeezing profits out by hook and crook for years. Maybe Hurd is just the guy to carry on that fine tradition. He knows how to run a tight ship as long as the ship is not going anywhere in particular.

Re:I'm torn on this one....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498196)

It's great to have low friends in high places.

The stock market seem to think he is a good choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33499344)

Oracle is up > 5% on a down day....

Long Live Crony Capitalism (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33496896)

Can't seem to login.
Looks like if you are well connected you can get away with anything and land up plum jobs.
Yes I know Mark Hurd did not break any law and he only cheated on his expense reports (That too I am sure was a mistake by his assistants).
We as a society seem to be setting fine examples of acceptable behavior.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (5, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496922)

As always - it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497036)

It's not who you know, it's who you blow...

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (3, Informative)

amentajo (1199437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497226)

As always - it's not who you know, it's whom you know.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498776)

Informative, mods? Classic wannabe grammar Nazi just placing the 'fancier' word in, where it's not correct.

Hope Parent knows some good people, he's not getting a job as an editor anyway ;-)

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

amentajo (1199437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498934)

Common use/misuse aside...

If I know you, then you're the person whom I know.
If you know that I know you, then you're the person who knows whom I know.

If it can be replaced by "him/her", then it's "whom".
If it can be replaced by "he/she", then it's "who".

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497780)

Anyone who's heard of "networking" understands this. Why should top echelon CEOs be any different than Joe programmer getting a job through a friend of his?

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498248)

Unlike Joe, CEOs could put policies in place to diminish Crony practices.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498444)

"it's not what you know, its who knows you"

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498602)

What you know is not as important as who you know, but what you know about who you know is where the real money is these days.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497800)

Can't seem to login.
Looks like if you are well connected you can get away with anything and land up plum jobs.
Yes I know Mark Hurd did not break any law and he only cheated on his expense reports (That too I am sure was a mistake by his assistants).
We as a society seem to be setting fine examples of acceptable behavior.

Being "well-connected" is practically part of the job description for a Fortune 500 CEO. Not because of crony-ism, but because of the need to leverage those relationships for the good of your company. So if Mark Hurd is "well-connected", that would mean that he actually is more valuable as CEO to a company like Oracle, especially because his connections are probably especially relevant to Oracle's industry. I'm guessing that "connections" for a CEO are like languages for a programmer - the more you have under your belt, the more tools you have to face a given problem, the more value you bring to the position...

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (4, Funny)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497976)

So if Mark Hurd is "well-connected", that would mean that he actually is more valuable as CEO to a company like Oracle, especially because his connections are probably especially relevant to Oracle's industry.

No kidding. You can't really sell Oracle, Peoplesoft, etc. on actual merit or return on investment, so connections are at a serious premium.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498222)

Being "well-connected" is the reason that CEOs are grossly overpaid to the determent of their companies and their shareholders.

Re:Long Live Crony Capitalism (2, Interesting)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497848)

Yes I know Mark Hurd did not break any law and he only cheated on his expense reports

Where I come from (UK) "false accounting" is a criminal offence; also any normal employee would be fired for fiddling their expenses, on principle.

Fake Steve has already covered this one (3, Informative)

Eternal Vigilance (573501) | more than 3 years ago | (#33496938)

It's the Three Stooges of executive sexual harassment.

"Imagine those three on a business trip to, I don't know, Thailand." [fakesteve.net]

"Hey Mark! I'm tryin' to think but nothin' happens! Nyuk nyuk nyuk."

Re:Fake Steve has already covered this one (1)

bay43270 (267213) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497334)

It's still just two stooges. Chuck Philips is leaving.

Re:Fake Steve has already covered this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498752)

I'm sure a "Curly-Joe" will show up soon.

Oracle should rename itself Trophy Corp. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33496982)

Or maybe Acquire.

They acquire Trophy Software, Trophy Women, Trophy Yacht Championships.

No Ethics - No Problem! (1)

nickmalthus (972450) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497026)

Corporate cronyism at it's finest.

Re:No Ethics - No Problem! (1)

nomad-9 (1423689) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497302)

Corporate cronyism at it's finest.

Nope. "Cronyism" is putting friends in positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications.

Hurd's record as a CEO speaks for itself, like HP becoming number one in computers sales, and having its market share for printers increase significantly.

He is also known for aggressive cost-cutting with massive layoffs, but that's actually another positive trait in a CEO.

Re:No Ethics - No Problem! (3, Interesting)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498002)

He is also known for aggressive cost-cutting with massive layoffs, but that's actually another positive trait in a CEO.

Unless, of course, you're making your numbers for the quarter/year look good at the cost of cutting resources you can't easily replace that you'll need for long-term success.

A number of people have alleged this is the case with Hurd; I don't know enough to say for sure either way.

Re:No Ethics - No Problem! (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498158)

Cronyism also includes creating a job specifically for a buddy.

Hmm. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497032)

That will go down fantastically well with Oracle's female employees I suspect.

Re:Hmm. (1)

Critical Facilities (850111) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497186)

That will go down fantastically well with Oracle's female employees I suspect.

Especially this one [oracle.com] .

Re:Hmm. (-1, Troll)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497420)

That will go down fantastically well with Oracle's female employees I suspect.

Especially this one [oracle.com] .

I can just imagine her going down .....

Re:Hmm. (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499090)

Larry has been sued for sexual harassment by more than one of his personal secretaries. Any female employees that had a problem with sexual harassment would have left a long time ago!

Experience counts! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497044)

Well at least Mark Hurd has demonstrated experience screwing people. With the way Oracle has been behaving of late (Java, OpenSolaris) this will probably be a great job asset....

I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497052)

Hurd drove all of the R&D and creativity out of HP. As an HPer we competed with SUN alot but I always thought they had some great tech just not the ability to make money off of it. Hurd will just cut\cut\cut until there is nothing left. Guess it's not really a surprise as my guess Larry is just interested in buiolding massive Oracle solution on his own high margin hardware and nothing else....

Thank god I survived the Hurd years at HP. I just hope we don't screw it up with another Hurd like CEO.

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497192)

Yeah, from what I've heard from Oracle folks, seems like Hurd will be a "good fit", at least for the executive tier.

Workers and customers? Not so much.

It's actually pretty damn incestuous, given how in-bed-with-each-other HP and Oracle (DB, middleware, Peoplesoft) are, but if Ora is looking to keep all the money, I guess this is part of what you do to do that..

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497232)

So did I and I'm in the small fraction of R&D that's left. Unfortunately Hurd's taint still lingers in HP board's decisions. That variable performance bonus payout based on what your group makes, is pure crap! I'm in R&D, we sell nothing, because we are researching and developing. And once it's ready for market were it makes money, we have to wait years to payback R&D costs! Last year HP made record profits, I made less money! When the Hurd chopping block came through the axe hit a majority of the "master" rated engineers in three separate waves. And my boss doesn't understand why I refuse promotions. DUH! Make $50 extra a month after taxes, and slip the layoff noose round your neck. Not worth it. Then add that HP's headquarters is located in the most costly place place to live. I ripped into the VoW survey this year and I have yet to work at HP with a good CEO. I shouldn't have left IBM.

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (2, Interesting)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498122)

Who do you think was worse: Fiorina or Hurd?

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (1)

MarkRose (820682) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498220)

If you're not happy with the way Hurd works, download the source code and fork it.

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498708)

"Hurd will just cut\cut\cut until there is nothing left. "

That was the same thing I heard Fiona or whatever her name was did. I heard it repeatedly over and over. WHILE she was CEO.

I didn't hear that about Hurd. Maybe he handcuffed you further.

Here the thing--if Fiona threw out all the R&D, there isn't anything left for Hurd to throw out, cut, or demolish. Seems people are recycling the same story and excuses.

btw, HP can't even decide on an OS for Slate, so they axed the hardware too. You don't need the CEO for that. That's your own incompetence.

Re:I feel bad for the EX SUN employees (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499152)

A change in CEO does not mean a change in direction. Did you notice any change in direction when Fiorina was replaced by Hurd? Guess what, there won't be any change in direction with Hurd's successor either. The policies are put in place by the Board of Directors and the President carries them out. Then the Board blames the President for the bad policies, replaces the President, and the cycle repeats. Any real change in direction would require a change in the Board. Note that any remaining Hewletts or Packards were kicked off the Board a long time ago. [hp.com]

Some background to all this (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497068)

Animated news version in ~2 mins from an Taiwanese animation studio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC5Btn9jklI [youtube.com]
Some care if played at work.

Re:Some background to all this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497128)

"Woman in Hewlett-Packard scandal once worked in porn"

Sounds much like the habit at Enron to hire befriended bimbos for all kinds of jobs within Enron.

Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1016268/ [imdb.com]

Re:Some background to all this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497464)

I mixed up my sources.
The bimbos feature not in the docu but in the movie based on the story;

The Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth About Enron
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326814/ [imdb.com]

Crony Despotism in Action (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497076)

Rule number one of crony despotism, never appoint anyone below you that has any where near enough brains to take your job. Ellison knows this guy is too stupid for his own good, perfect number two for Ellison, no threat! Plus the guy is desperate, so he will provide grade A brown nosing.

Re:Crony Despotism in Action (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497248)

Duke Nukem Forever back in development. The Hurd arrives.

Two out of three?

Re:Crony Despotism in Action (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498230)

Plus the guy is desperate? How so, he left with a golden parachute. He could not work a day longer in his life and still have millions to play with.

Re:Crony Despotism in Action (1)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498644)

I can't even imagine what would have to fall into place so there would be even the most remote possibility that Ellison's job could ever be taken from him. I'm pretty sure he can have whoever he wants as his #2 and his job will be secure until he wants to give it up and then he'll probably pick his own successor.

What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497380)

If you're a rich and powerful executive, I'd have thought you'd have inappropriate relationships with 20-something interns, not 40-something former porn stars.

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497482)

And that's why it was a travesty to remove 'random play' and 'i'll take whatever i can get' from facebook.

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497518)

Depends on the kind of networking. 40-something could have many years of contacts with people of interest and power in gov, .coms, .mil. A "Romeo Spy" of your very own.
A 20-something bring stamina and her simple dreams of power and wealth.
It gets boring fast. A 40-something brings perspective and insight with much experience.

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497880)

If you're a rich and powerful executive, I'd have thought you'd have inappropriate relationships with 20-something interns, not 40-something former porn stars.

I see you've got the makings of a proper woman-hating, eg0-inflated sociopath, I wish you well in your future business career.

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497980)

If you're a rich and powerful executive, I'd have thought you'd have inappropriate relationships with 20-something interns, not 40-something former porn stars.

I see you've got the makings of a proper woman-hating, eg0-inflated sociopath, I wish you well in your future business career.

You have fun with the progressive women who don't shave their armpits. We'll be busy banging the hot porn stars.

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498174)

Well, the latter have a profound and varied experience that the former lacks...

Re:What I don't understand about Mark Hurd (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33499182)

To say nothing of their ability to suck a golf ball through a garden hose!

Gotta love it (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497922)

He gets a cushy job in a month while good people I used to work with are still unemployed over a year later and the rest of us still stupid enough to work for HP are pulling more work load with the original (temporary - yeah right) pay cuts over us. I can barely afford to keep my children fed driving a 10+ year vehicle with over 150k miles on it so HP has enough money to buy up large companies. "Gotta tighten our belts!" - You can't afford to pay the employees what they are worth - but you can spend billions buying up companies. Remember this HP. because once the economy starts in an upswing the people you have left will leave. I would not want to own any piece of this company

Win-Win! (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498116)

This action raised the average executive IQ at both companies!

Doesn't Oracle know... (5, Funny)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 3 years ago | (#33498216)

you can't polish a Hurd?

A history of Mark Hurd's career (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33498734)

An old Slashdot comment talks about the history of Mark Hurd's career:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=190623&cid=15684284 [slashdot.org]

Rule 35 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33499116)

Bros Before Hoes

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