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Pirate Bay Down; Police Raids Across Europe

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the knock-knock-joke dept.

Piracy 325

Stoobalou contributes a link to this story at Thinq.co.uk, from which he excerpts: "Torrent-tracking site The Pirate Bay is currently unavailable as reports come in of co-ordinated police raids against file sharers across Europe. Police in up to 14 countries carried out raids against suspected file-sharing servers this morning. According to file-sharing news site TorrentFreak, the bulk of police action seems to have taken place in Sweden. Swedish Internet service provider ISP, which hosts both The Pirate Bay and whistle-blowing site WikiLeaks, earlier denied rumours of a police raid, saying that officers had visited them to ask questions over two suspect IP addresses, and that no computers or other goods had been seized."

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What ? (5, Informative)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497090)

Thepiratebay.org ? I just opened it, to check this. It works fine!

Re:What ? (1, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497148)

The TPB trackers are down, though. uTorrent is saying they are actively refusing connection.

Re:What ? (5, Informative)

kju (327) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497196)

The TPB trackers are down, though.

As they were already shutdown last year (and after announcing the intent to do so) this is hardly news.

Re:What ? (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497218)

Umm does TPB *have* trackers anymore? I thought they only used openbittorrent, which is officially a separate organization and open to non-TPB torrents too. I know the MAFIAA has been looking for way to link them together, but as far as I know they never could...

Re:What ? (5, Informative)

gid (5195) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497222)

The Pirate Bay shut down the trackers awhile ago. From Wikipedia:

On 17 November 2009, The Pirate Bay shut off its tracker service permanently, stating that centralized trackers are no longer needed, since distributed hash tables (DHT), peer exchange (PEX), and magnet links allow peers to find each other and content in a decentralized way.

To clear things up- (5, Informative)

w00tsauce (1482311) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497364)

1. TPB is not down, it is and has been up-just really really slow. TPB being slow is nothing new, it's been plagued with speed and reliability problems the entire summer. 2. TPB trackers were shut down a long time ago willfully. They still show up all over the place though because nobodys really around anymore to maintain the website except a couple volunteer moderators with limited access. Most torrents that were tracked on TPB's tracker are now tracked on openbt/publicbt. It's common practice for people to point dns of tracker.thepiratebay.org to tracker.openbittorrent.com. 3. Swedish news outlets have already confirmed WikiLeaks was not the target of these raids. It's just a coincidence that them and many other controversial websites are hosted at prq/rix-mainly because of their dedication to anonymity of the customer. 4. Their goal (my guess/opinion) was to take down a bunch of "scene" servers and websites simultaneously to temporarily stem the flow of high quality releases. Release groups and Pre sites/Scene sites often use servers to coordinate their efforts and post their releases to these places first-After which you have a trickle down effect where the torrents are posted to public torrent sites most of us are familiar with. I guess they're hoping that there will be enough evidence on these computers to identify some of the individuals who are at the top of the "scene" foodchain-the people who actually sneak the camcorders into the theaters or work at the cd pressing factory to prerelease a new CD etc...

Re:What ? (4, Funny)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497162)

A comment on TFA says it came back up within 2 minutes.

Contingency plan?

Re:What ? (4, Informative)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497338)

Yeah, it's called Distributed Hash Tables and Peer Exchange. TPB hasn't been a tracker site in quite a while.

Re:What ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497172)

seems to be down in the US

Re:What ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497204)

Comcast just pulled up the website, didn't check any torrents though...

Re:What ? (2, Informative)

Spritzer (950539) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497184)

It's down for me. Perhaps, being the "The world's most resilient BitTorrent site", they are back up and running elsewhere and DNS updates haven't made it my way yet.

Re:What ? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497238)

Must be a DNS thing. It works from my office network via AT&T but not my home network via Windstream. Of course, it could be that nothing works reliably with Windstream.

Re:What ? (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497452)

Doesn't work for me with Bredbandsbolaget and if they lost all the three Bs (Bredbandsbolaget, Bahnhof, Bredband2) we're doomed!" :D

Should had been hosted around the universities instead =P. I wonder if Sunet would had given a shit?

(Heh, damn people up north stealing all the bandwidth! http://stats.sunet.se/top10.html [sunet.se] )

Report from Sweden (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497484)

The website is down for me as well. I am at the KTH network by now. On the other side, I don't see anyone talking about police raids at Stockholm.

Re:What ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497264)

It was down about 1 hour ago, a completely random visit...

The Pirate Bay: The world's most resilient bittorrent site

Re:What ? (4, Funny)

Kugrian (886993) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497326)

Instead of dupes, ./ are now reporting the future. The extra load on the servers from people checking if it's up or not will take it down.

Police raids at Slashdot? (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497564)

Kugrian's comment led me to thing that these news about Pirate Bay shutdown are quiet suspicious. It's seem like an joint action from DMCA and polices from Europe to spead a rumor, create paranoia and take TPB off by DoS.

works here (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497098)

thepiratebay seems to work just fine for me?

Umm... (0, Redundant)

shakezula (842399) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497100)

Far be it from me to say that a /. submitter would rush to publish--but, as of the time of this posting, TBP is not down or offline. I simply stuck the URL in my browser, perhaps too rudimentary a method for testing?

Re:Umm... (2, Informative)

kju (327) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497176)

According to an update dated 14:02 GMT (just two minutes before you commented) in TFA the site just came back online. So it probably WAS down when the article was published and there is no justification for snippy remarks like yours.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497370)

According to an update dated 14:02 GMT (just two minutes before you commented) in TFA the site just came back online. So it probably WAS down when the article was published and there is no justification for snippy remarks like yours.

According to my reckoning, it takes longer than two minutes to read through a /. post (and maybe TFA), so GP probably never saw the update dated 14:02 GMT, and there is no justification for snippy remarks like yours.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497488)

you are an idiot.

Re:Umm... (4, Informative)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497404)

As always, the story was outdated before it had come through Slashdot's rigorous editing process.

Looks like the failed, It's up. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497106)

Pirate bay is still online.

still up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497108)

too hard to check a site before submitting the story?

Re:still up (3, Informative)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497168)

TPB *was* taken down, doesn't mean it would last forever. Thankfully, Its been back up since at least 14:02 local time.

Too hard to check TFA before posting? (joke ;)

Down? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497110)

Nope, it's working just fine over here in Finland.

Past Due! (4, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497134)

Now that governments across the globe are mobilizing armed men to eliminate file sharers, the world will be a perfect place. Certainly there is nothing worse than file sharing going on if this is their priority.

Re:Past Due! (4, Interesting)

Dotren (1449427) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497220)

All of those other things you speak of can be monetized in some way by various corporations and governments. I don't think any of them have really found a good way of making money off of file sharing since their ridiculously large "winnings" in court are more than many people see in their entire lifetimes and therefore probably never get paid.

Re:Past Due! (3, Interesting)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497260)

So, if we could figure out a way to prove that terrorism, hunger, poverty, AIDS, or whatever injustice hurts the corporate bottom line, we'd see action being taken to clear it up in no time?

Re:Past Due! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497306)

No, it does not matter if it is provable or not. What matters is if you can make the corporations believe all those thing hurt them. Then those things will be taken care of.

Re:Past Due! (3, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497350)

So, if we could figure out a way to prove that terrorism, hunger, poverty, AIDS, or whatever injustice hurts the corporate bottom line, we'd see action being taken to clear it up in no time?

You mean, like perhaps the billions of dollars every year that the private sector pours into NGOs that try to educate people in terrorism-spawning hotbeds, into HIV treatment and vaccination programs, etc? Like that?

Re:Past Due! (5, Interesting)

radtea (464814) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497498)

So, if we could figure out a way to prove that terrorism, hunger, poverty, AIDS, or whatever injustice hurts the corporate bottom line, we'd see action being taken to clear it up in no time?

Close, but "hurting the bottom line" isn't enough because the Right is no more interested in money than the Left is interested in social justice. Both are interested in exactly one thing: power.

Capitalists get power from making money, but power--unlike profit--is a zero-sum game. This means that capitalists are willing to forego profits if that is necessary to prevent other people from gaining power.

That is, capitalists hate free-riders far more than they love money, so they are more than willing to lose customers to AIDS because curing AIDS for free would mean that someone else might also profit from those customers, and that would reduce the capitalist's feeling of power.

If wiping out hunger, poverty AIDS or terrorism would actually make someone money, then yes, it would be done very rapidly, the way slavery went out of style the moment it became more profitable to have consumer goods for sale to paid workers who could be controlled almost as well as slaves by debt.

Unfortunately, capitalists have learned that genuinely fixing problems is rarely the way to maximize their power. Far better to sell a more-or-less ineffective "solution" like the security-industrial complex's "War on Terror" or drug cocktails for AIDS or subsidized "food aid" for povery and hunger. Insert your corporation into one of those cash torrents and you will be in a position of power for decades to come.

Either that, (1)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497282)

... or the world is an awful place where governments world-wide don't care for anything important.

Re:Either that, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497468)

Politicians always had a different definition of "important". To them it's only important if it directly results in more money or power for them. Issues are only important if the relevant lobby group pays enough bribes.

Re:Past Due! (1)

disi (1465053) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497300)

I am wondering how much money this costs again
The media industry claims to loose money and then sends our ploice force out to raid us and we pay for it...

Re:Past Due! (0, Troll)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497322)

Certainly there is nothing worse than file sharing going on if this is their priority.

And as we all know, it's impossible for law enforcement agencies to do more than one thing at a time. That's why they stop arresting drunk drivers whenever they hear about a case of domestic violence, or have to give up investigations of child trafficking or currency countfeiting whenever there's been a bank robbery across town.

Now that governments across the globe are mobilizing armed men to eliminate file sharers, the world will be a perfect place

How is that bit of childish sophistry any different than saying, "Now that businesses and loose affiliations of people all across the globe have formed organizations and web sites built specifically to enable ripping things off, the world will be a perfect place" ... huh? What's the part that gets you so upset ... that a country's laws are being enforced? If so, then your problem is with the laws enacted by the legislators in those countries, not with the fact that law enforcement officers doing a difficult job happen to be armed as part of their office. If your problem is that the officers are armed, and not with the fact that they're enforcing the law, then make a better case for the fact that officers executing warrants never walk into situations where someone crazy might try to hurt them.

Or are you mostly just pissed because it seems fewer people than you'd like agree with you about the positive aspects of institutions built around, and publicly celebrating the ripping off of creative people? I suppose this is where you say that authors, musicians, performers, film makers, photographers, actors and all the rest have no choice but to work for The Man, and thus you're doing them a favor by ripping them off, right? That the world is a better place when some 12 year old gets to make an entertainment slave out of their favorite musician?

Or should we stick wiht your original logic, and wonder why anyone should be allowed to enjoy music (ripped off or otherwise) when there's a single unhappy person in the world, or a single mosquito biting a quadraplegic somewhere? After all, we can only focus on one thing at a time, right?

Re:Past Due! (1)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497422)

Or are you mostly just pissed because it seems fewer people than you'd like agree with you about the positive aspects of institutions built around, and publicly celebrating the ripping off of creative people? I suppose this is where you say that authors, musicians, performers, film makers, photographers, actors and all the rest have no choice but to work for The Man, and thus you're doing them a favor by ripping them off, right? That the world is a better place when some 12 year old gets to make an entertainment slave out of their favorite musician?

Put words in other people's mouths much?

Re:Past Due! (5, Informative)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497474)

I got pulled over once after blowing through 2 stop signs in under 10 feet. I had been playing GTA for 4 days straight since my car was iced in, so wasn't used to stopping. The cop informed me why I was pulled over, and then got an alert and hurriedly said "I could give you a ticket for both of those" and ran back to his car.

So yeah, it's possible. I can't find a source off hand, but a few weeks ago either /. or Fark had a story about reducing missing persons investigators, and a few months before that ramping up copyright operations. So my little anecdote aside, the sizes of the teams responsible for different types of crime are being re-allocated. That takes it from 'possible' to 'happening'. Maybe not on the scale of gp post, and certainly not to the extent of your binary logic, but yes happening.

Progress must cost money! It's elementary. (3, Insightful)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497340)

Don't you see that "Economic Growth" must be expressed in money, and that if people don't pay for it, but still consume it, it's not "growth", for the simple reason that we cannot measure it?

I mean... duh.

That's like curing cancer for free, and not getting rich of it. That's not growth, and therefore not progress... If you aim to improve this world without earning money, you clearly have your priorities wrong.

Police and governments exist to maximize measurable profit.

Pirate Bay Up (0, Redundant)

ultranova (717540) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497138)

Pirate Bay is up and works. It's slow, so either there's been some damage or it's slashdotted.

Was that really too hard to check, Slashditors?

Re:Pirate Bay Up (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497242)

It's slow, so either there's been some damage or it's slashdotted. Was that really too hard to check, Slashditors?

Clearly this was an ingenious plot by the MAFIAA to shut down pirate bay: with the slashdot effect!

And guessing that Timothy's password was "password" was another brilliant move.

Why (4, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497140)

I can't believe that filesharing is given such a high priority by governments in Europe. The entertainment industry must have a VERY strong lobbying organization to pull that off. It's a pity that rape victims and other sufferers from really bad crimes are not as well organized and don't have such deep pockets as the entertainment industry.

Re:Why (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497216)

Big money controls all governments. And the entertainment industry is VERY big money.

Re:Why (1)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497424)

And some parts of the entertainment industry do not even pay to the artists, so they have even more money to create laws and have them enforced.

Symbiotic relationship (2, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497510)

It's a Symbiotic relationship. The Entertainment Industry (not artists, btw) and the governments need each other.

The industry distract the people from what the governments are doing (hint: pilfer)

So when the industry come knocking about competition to their eternal monopoly, the governments jump to help. You wouldn't want your smoke screen to clear up and have light shining on you...

Re:Why (1)

ewhenn (647989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497224)

There's no money kickbacks generated to govt. cronies by solving rape crimes. Simple really.

Re:Why (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497556)

There's no money kickbacks generated to govt. cronies by solving rape crimes. Simple really.

Worse: instead they've got interest in making up rape crimes, thus watering down the credibility of real rape victims.

Re:Why (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497246)

I can't believe that filesharing is given such a high priority by governments in Europe.

      That is probably because said governments/law enforcement view filesharers as "soft" and "weak" and "easily intimidated", as opposed to anti-social criminals who won't change their ways even if you throw them in jail or beat them. Of course they haven't counted on crowd-sourcing (no matter how many sites they shut down it just keeps coming back) and crowd-mentality (there are so many people involved that everyone is sure they will never be "caught"). Really it's a futile effort unless they plan on arresting everyone in the world - and if they do THAT then what does it say about the law in the first place?

      Just the fact that TPB was ordered closed, the founders went to jail, and it's STILL up is a testament to how futile an effort this is. Continuing around this line will only increase file-sharing as more and more people realize how impossible it is to actually enforce these laws with any success. And government face the eventual backlash of voters when they rack up huge drains on their finite resources to go after file sharers instead of violent/dangerous criminals - with nothing to show for it in the end.

1934 all over again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497448)

No bullets yet, but draconian repression of the underprivileged by the rich and powerful is an evil that was never really abolished, fanciful patriotic musings notwithstanding. Too bad so many people forget the lessons of history [salon.com] .

Re:Why (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497342)

Well I think it's more the "in your face" factor. Don't slam me for invalid analogies here, but if rapists put up therapistbay.org and was sharing out vids of their rapes and was all like "you can't stop us, hahahahaha" attitude the police would react. They try taking down the arrogant ones to prove that nobody's untouchable and that they can in fact catch you. Piracy is probably the violation of the law I see happening the most openly, perhaps with the exception of speeding but it's a close call.

By the way, very excited to see what the Pirate Party will make of this... it's election day the 19th in Sweden and I think they just got a much needed PR booster.

Re:Why (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497514)

Piracy is probably the violation of the law I see happening the most openly

That is what happens when the vast majority of the population does not believe in a law. It is one of these examples where a law has been bought with bribes against the will of the people.

It's a good thing that such laws are openly and massively violated.

They are easy fish (2, Insightful)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497542)

I think you got almost all the truth. The key here is evidence: to prosecute a user for sharing copyrighted work is just a matter of finding evidence that a file was downloaded to X and that X was linked to you. Log files make this trivial. To convict someone accused of rape or pedophilia is much more difficult: evidence can be unreliable or murky, a lot is based on people's testimony and you don't always have DNA aka smoking gun. It's not that they don't go after them (they do), is that it's just too damn hard and it doesn't get a lot of publicity (understandably).

Re:Why (5, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497372)

I can't believe that filesharing is given such a high priority by governments in Europe. The entertainment industry must have a VERY strong lobbying organization to pull that off. It's a pity that rape victims and other sufferers from really bad crimes are not as well organized and don't have such deep pockets as the entertainment industry.

Look, I don't think you're giving them enough credit. They're also being very serious about wikileaks. It's not just the entertainment industry getting their balls fondled here.

Incidentally, I love how the wikileaks thing just highlights the problem with the way the powerful handle their business. The problem isn't that bad things happened, the problem is that you found out about it! So reform efforts won't be directed towards preventing bad things from happening, just making sure we're more diligent about keeping them under wraps. "If not for them, you wouldn't even know about the military slaughtering innocent civilians! And would you even be so upset about fecal bacteria in your meat if nobody told you?" Stupid smoke detector keeps going off, pull the batteries. By the way, anyone else having trouble breathing? I wonder if there might somehow be a connection.

Re:Why (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497520)

[reading 'letters of apology' at an Amensty International gig]
"This one is from the Shah of Persia (retired).
What your organisation needs is a strong and charismatic figurehead. I won't make the same mistake I made last time; there's no point employing psychopathically cruel secret police who leave a lot of burnt and mangled bodies all over the place - one needs to employ psychopathically cruel secret police who leave no evidence at all!"

Re:Why (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497402)

When you have the deep pockets and lack of ethics that the entertainment industry possesses, you have all the right ingredients to take a minor civil offense and make it into a severe crime punishable by several years in jail. Just be glad that old people don't have those kinds of resources to send you to jail 5 years for walking on grass or wearing your pants too low.

ermmm... check your connection.. (3, Informative)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497150)

Pirate Bay has been fine for me for the past 12 hours!
It WAS a bit slow around 4am today but it's been fine...

But whoever wrote that story should check their grammar, the main sentence is ambiguous at best:
was it:
"The Pirate Bay is currently unavailable (For Comment)"
or
"The Pirate Bay (Website is down and) is currently unavailable"

They sound similar but have totally different meanings

Re:ermmm... check your connection.. (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497312)

Still functioning for me here in Texas.

Re:ermmm... check your connection.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497392)

hasn't been functioning since last night here in Florida... wtf?!? can somebody private the direct IP that works? I've even flushed DNS, which provided a different IP and still nothing on the main site.

Not pirate related (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497160)

They were just investigating all the torrent/Wikileaks mirrors on rape and molestation charges.

Coordinated attack against Warez (4, Insightful)

rotide (1015173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497164)

The action, targeting the so-called 'Warez Scene', is said to have been in planning for two years, and is believed to have taken place at the request of Belgian authorities."

Ya, good luck with that. In the meantime new servers will come online and all the bits will be put back in order. This time, they will probably be put up in countries that won't answer the phone. Good job, 2 years of planning and I'm sure a heroic police effort, executing the warrants, will be undone in a matter of weeks. Welcome to the digital age.

Re:Coordinated attack against Warez (3, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497400)

Weeks? These are torrent trackers; With DHT, centralised trackers are at best a convenience. Not having them will only add some legwork to those looking for files, it won't in any way stop access to them.

The genie is out of the bottle, and they're making copies for everyone to enjoy.

Re:Coordinated attack against Warez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497458)

mod this up

Re:Coordinated attack against Warez (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497554)

I mean I know there has been a lot of violence and stuff but why does Belgium care about Mexico?

Re:Coordinated attack against Warez (1)

JxcelDolghmQ (1827432) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497558)

2 years of planning... 2 minutes of downtime. Very effective, wasn't it?

You. Will. Never. Stop. Piracy.

In fact, good luck trying to even make a dent in it. These companies and trade organizations are going to spend more money paying off politicians and trying to combat the "problem" than they're actually losing due to piracy.

Fuck 'em is what I say.

The RIAA, MPAA, ASCAP, CRIA, SPA, etc can all collectively eat my taint.

In UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497188)

It was down first try. fine 2nd time around... Seems a bit skitish

This Would Have Happened Earlier... (0, Troll)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497214)

...had the EU produced Entertainment Industry content of their own worth pirating. But it was predominantly "Yankee Corporatist" wallets which stood to suffer, so high on European law enforcement agendas it was not. Hey, I love Dr. Who as much as the next guy, but I'm just saying the way it is...

Not about TPB (4, Interesting)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497234)

These raids were apparently not about TPB or other torrent sites but rather aimed at scene topsites.

I've read some media industry "information" about the scene lately where they've compared it to organized crime (in the "making money from illegal activities" sense, not the "being organized" sense). Of course, approx 99% of those involved in the scene don't make money from their involvement but I guess it's a bit harder to make them out to be evil mafioso types if they're not actually making any money...

hey, close down craigslist (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497254)

poof!: prostitution will disappear

close down pirate bay... poof!: piracy disappears

right, right?

regardless of your stand on media piracy or prostitution, simply from a law enforcement point of view that assumes these "vices" are simply something illegal to be fought: i don't understand why you want to shut the hubs down

its not like shutting down craigslist or pirate bay is going to make piracy or prostitution go away. instead, you allow craigslist and pirate bay to continue, and you do your law enforcement job, and monitor the hubs. like shooting fish in a barrel: just respond to what's there. but without craigslist or the pirate bay, these "problems" are harder to catch and monitor

its almost as if law enforcement wants to drive these problems back underground again so they don't have to deal with them. out of sight, out of mind

which shows you the ambivalency with which modern society views stuff like piracy or prostitution: they are on the cusp of acceptability. its not like murder or rape, where the illegality of the actions are obvious and therefore the mandate and willpower to punish perps is 100%. instead, with stuff like prostitution and piracy, the willpower wanes, the commitment lapses, because the immorality of the actions is not clearcut

such that the law enforcement campaigns consist less of going after perpetrators, but just making them go underground and disappear from prominent view

Re:hey, close down craigslist (1)

chichilalescu (1647065) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497512)

it's weird how easily you can say "piracy" and mean "copyright infringement", when you use words like murder or rape in the same phrase. It just goes to show that rather than the copyright owners succeeding in making the sharers look bad, the meaning of the word "pirate" changed.

Re:hey, close down craigslist (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497574)

its not like shutting down craigslist or pirate bay is going to make piracy or prostitution go away. instead, you allow craigslist and pirate bay to continue, and you do your law enforcement job, and monitor the hubs. like shooting fish in a barrel: just respond to what's there. (...) its almost as if law enforcement wants to drive these problems back underground again so they don't have to deal with them. out of sight, out of mind

I think you have the cause and effect mixed up. People are willing to share on TPB because because the police can't even hit fish in a barrel, the barrel is so big, the fish too many and the bullets too precious to waste on it. It's not just to start mass issuing tickets by IP, I'm sure you know all the issues with that and they'd clog up both the police and the courts if they tried. It's not a tactic to win, it's a tactic to say we haven't completely given up trying to enforce the law.

Good thing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497284)

That the police are enforcers for corporate overmasters rather then the people....

Berne Agreement (3, Insightful)

Defenestrar (1773808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497288)

"Simultaneous raids are also said to have been carried out in The Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Germany, Great Britain, the Czech Republic and Hungary."

Sweden (1904), Netherlands (1912), Belgium (1887), Norway (1896), Germany (1887), Great Britain (1887), Czech Republic (1993), and Hungary (1904) have all signed the Berne Convention [wikipedia.org] among other agreements. [wikipedia.org]

Sweden may have fairly loose laws when it comes to "sharing" protected work, but it also has international obligations that may seem more burdensome now than they did back in 1904.

I wonder if ACTA will have similar unforeseen consequences in one hundred years as today's act of file transmission and duplication was likely not considered back in the day of ink and presses.

God !!! So Piraets are all RAPISTS now ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497298)

That leaks guy gives us all a bad name !!

True, many pirates are criminals (rapists, swindlers, drug addicts, and of course microsoft employees) but we aren't all bad. Not that bad. Not really bad, anyway.

Re:God !!! So Piraets are all RAPISTS now ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497436)

Yes - but the rape charges will be dropped by morning when molestations charges will then be investigated instead because TPB refused to wear virus transmission protection.

TPB is down for me (2, Insightful)

CoffeeDog (1774202) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497344)

I've been trying to get on Pirate Bay this morning and most times my connection either times out or I get an error page about connecting to a caching server and only after mashing the reload button many times do I actually get a page.

Then again this could just be the effect of everyone reading news stories about it being down and trying to "test" if the site is up, thus overloading and taking down the server for real. Hooray for self-fulfilling prophecy!

Something Freenet-like this way comes? (4, Insightful)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497366)

I tend to wonder when the pressure on normal people to get in line and shut up will go over the top and cause real action.

It's not just file-sharers. Anyone who simply wants to be left alone as they travel the net is subject to monitoring and, maybe, serious trouble.

How many meritless lawsuits will have to be filed, how many knocks on doors in the night must happen, before some package of technology comes into general use, a group of tools that creates a situation where ISPs see nothing but encrypted streams going this way and that, with no idea what's actually in them?

All the pieces exist. Some years ago, I would have predicted that we'd be to that point already.

But no. People just keep sending in the clear, writing all their important letters on the back of postcards unless the recipient forces them to put it in an envelope.

Is this weird? Or is my viewpoint skewed? I'd really like to know because I sure don't understand it.

Re:Something Freenet-like this way comes? (0, Flamebait)

Defenestrar (1773808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497446)

Encryption means you have something to hide. Probably a description of what nasty thing you saw in the woodshed.

Tor/Freenet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497368)

Fight the pigs! Install Tor Relays and Freenet nodes on as many computers as you can.

torproject.org and freenetproject.org

hobbyists women children (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33497442)

take them all in for re-programming/fear training. never mind the pornverts, as they make up their own 'content'?

MAFFIA's new plan (0, Offtopic)

homes32 (1265404) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497528)

1. Stage police "raids" or simple questioning.
2. Submit slashdot story.
3. Sit back and watch the slashdot effect as TPB's own users overload the site and take it down.
4 ?????
5. PROFIT!

great news (1)

Jeek Elemental (976426) | more than 3 years ago | (#33497552)

since european police can assign such vast resources to chasing file sharing kids it must mean serious crime in europe is all but eliminated.

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