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Sony Releases PS3 Firmware Update To Fight Jailbreaks

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the i-think-they-just-escalated dept.

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RyuuzakiTetsuya writes "Destructoid is reporting that the 3.42 firmware has been released for the PlayStation 3, and it has fixed the USB vulnerability that allows the PSJailbreak exploit to work." Sony's brief announcement of the update refers only to "additional security features," though the EU blog post acknowledges that a vulnerability was addressed. PS3-Hacks.com confirms that the patch is effective against the various jailbreak tools, and they point out a different tool for bypassing the update. Sony told the BBC, "... as we always have, we will continue to take necessary actions to both hardware and software to protect the intellectual content provided on the PlayStation 3."

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So ... the War's Back on Then? (4, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500538)

Huh, that's odd. It was only yesterday that I was being told Sony had lost the PS3 hacking war [slashdot.org] . Wait a second, this sounds familiar. Did a Texan in a flight suit show up at the unveiling of PSGroove with a giant banner?

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500772)

Huh, that's odd. It was only yesterday that I was being told Sony had lost the PS3 hacking war [slashdot.org]. Wait a second, this sounds familiar. Did a Texan-wannabe from hoity-toity Connecticut in a flight suit show up at the unveiling of PSGroove with a giant banner?

FTFY

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500832)

Is there any way I can play pirated/downloaded games off internet and loaded onto PS3 internal disk? with the new software around is there anything I can do? Where can I download many PS3 games?

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500950)

bitgamer.com (private torrent site for games) has 63 things in the PS3 category so far.

All but about 10 of them have been uploaded in the last 3 weeks, with the majority being in the last day or two.

Mostly games but there are also some firmware releases, jailbreak code (and schematics for what I assume was the hardware-based jailbreaking a while back), and an SDK.

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500976)

Sony has lost. Once it began, Sony lost. It's now an endless game of cat and mouse, where Sony must dump tons of money into research and development, only to have their patches cracked again a few days later.

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501052)

I don't know about that. It look a long time to find this one obscure hole - once it's patched, I imagine it'll be very difficult to find another one like it.

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501136)

The crack broke the PS3 wide open - completely. Those cracked PS3s can have their code read - and they can lie to Sony about their firmware version. Sony really has lost - it's you that doesn't understand.

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501170)

Not really. The way the hack is made; it's a one shot patch. You could however now never update, and patch the discs to bypass mandatory upgrades.

Re:So ... the War's Back on Then? (5, Insightful)

BStroms (1875462) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501398)

I don't know the technical details of this particular hack and how easy it will be for hackers to get around the patch. However, even if they're unable to stop the pirates for long, the money may not be as wasted as it initially seems. Imagine if it actually were as many people here would like. No DRM was ever put on games, and no one was ever prosecuted for piracy, or even running servers to distribute pirated material.

Once it got into the public perception that pirating games was easy and virtually risk free, I think you'd see a whole new floodgate open that really would destroy the gaming market. You'd get many people who formerly bought games deciding they can save some money by just pirating everything. Then, as piracy becomes more and more commonplace, even many of those who firmly believe it's wrong will start to grow bitter.

Knowing they're continuing to spend money trying to support the game makers only to see nearly everyone they know just grabbing the titles for free. Then watching as company of company struggling just to keep afloat despite making critically acclaimed games that are being played by millions. Many of them will decide it's just not worth it anymore and decide to save their money before the inevitable crash.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think humanity is selfless enough to support a thriving software market on the honor system. I suppose it's possible games could survive in some form as interactive ads that endlessly try to market products to you, but not much beyond that. DRM may always doomed to failure, and lawsuits seem excessive and overly heartless. Even so, I believe the fear of getting in trouble and the effort of getting around DRM provides benefit to the companies that practice them that goes beyond the cost of their implementation.

Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minutes (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500548)

But if it makes you feel any better, Sony--yeah, you've "won."

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500720)

Yeah, because the last hack came out so quickly.

Personally, I'd be happy if people just stopped saying Sony won or lost because reality is nowhere near that simple. Yesterday's news was a setback for Sony, not a loss. Todays news is not a loss for console hackers, it's a setback. Now that the genie's out of the bottle a lot of people are going to do whatever it takes to block updates to their PS3s. Linux is once again possible but piracy is also possible now. I imagine some people at Sony are still pretty shaken by the fact that their unhackable console was hacked.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501030)

Until pretty recently, Sony wasn't a very appealing target. For a long time Sony lagged far behind the 360 (at least in the U.S.) and Wii. It's only been in the last year or so that they've gotten enough decent exclusives to finally be on the radar. Combine that with their recent removal of the OtherOS option, and hackers have finally started to actively work on the PS3 as a worthy target. It won't take them years to release the next hack, probably more like months (if not weeks or days).

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (0)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501344)

You and the GP are both so far off base I do not know what to think.
The first one took so long because those who have the skill to do these hacks are not people looking to rip off games. They are people who are driven to take their hardware and do interesting stuff with it. Those people for the most part were satisfied because Sony allowed the "Other OS" option. Other consoles did not. they were hacked, the PS3 was not.
The fact that right after Sony took out the "Other OS" option it was hacked should tell you really fast what is going on. If it dose not I can not help that shortcoming in yourself.
But I think you can see it. I think you are just being dis-ingenious.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (3, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501396)

If you had actually read my post, you would see that I specifically mentioned the removal of OtherOS as a primary motivator in hacking the PS3.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (1, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500840)

It took them long enough to break the old firmware. There's no reason to assume that breaking the new firmware will be any better.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (4, Insightful)

DamienRBlack (1165691) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501072)

Once the system has been opened up it can be analyzed in great detail giving hackers many more tools and insight into the system than when it is closed. From here on out, Sony will be fighting a loosing battle. Computer architecture is designed to do what you tell it to do. Up until the hack, Sony was the only one who knew how to phrase the requests, giving then a firm advantage. After the crack, thousands of people have been able to have a good look at the internal workings. There is no way for Sony to get back to where they were, security-wise, without new hardware. The hackers are just going to learn more and more until they can order the machine around as well as Sony.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501100)

You raise some interesting points. I hope you're right.

Re:Jailbreakers to announce a new hack in 5 minute (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501142)

It's "only" taken 6 months really (since the Other OS functionality was removed and the effort began in earnest) and it's always much easier to re-break these things than it is to break them in the first place.

Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (3, Insightful)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500550)

It's never been really about protecting intellectual content on the PS3. It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer, even after they've already paid for the console. Remember the OtherOS option? Since Sony makes their money from games, a PS3 with Linux installed (whether by an individual owner or as part of some sort of cluster) wouldn't make any money for Sony, so they took away the option, even if the owner bought it just for the OtherOS option.

Same thing with the jailbreaking now. PS3s with homebrew content isn't going to make any money for Sony, so they'll close that option, too. God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (2, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500612)

I've totally managed to avoid this by never purchasing a PS3, an XBox, a Nintendo DS, or for that matter, an iPhone.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500630)

I've totally managed to avoid this by never purchasing a PS3, an XBox, a Nintendo DS, or for that matter, an iPhone.

Then what do you recommend for people who like to play video games on a handheld device or on a television?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (3, Informative)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500658)

http://openpandora.org/ [openpandora.org]

A Pandora.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (2, Insightful)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500798)

The Pandora has its own problems, like being expensive, having a limited supply, etc. A GamePark machine like the GP32 or GP2X would be a better option if you're looking for a handheld gaming device.

The best option at the moment, though, is a Nokia N900. But that's more of a smartphone than a handheld gaming device.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500922)

The Pandora has its own problems, like being expensive, having a limited supply, etc. A GamePark machine like the GP32 or GP2X would be a better option if you're looking for a handheld gaming device.

The Pandora is the "spiritual successor" to the GamePark machines, which are EOLed now, and has much of the fan community of the latter behind it. And from personal experience, the GP2X was a horrible, horrible machine and ALSO suffered from the expensive and limited supply problem.

Pandora vs. PSP (1, Redundant)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500866)

Context: PS3 uses a lockout chip, as do most other consoles. One user avoids consoles with lockout chips on principle. Discussion began about recommendations for an alternative to such consoles.

A Pandora.

This page [openpandora.org] suggests that there's a lead time of several months to buy the hardware.

And though Wikipedia has a list of games for the major video game consoles, its article about Pandora [wikipedia.org] lacked such a list. Nor could I find a corresponding with Google games for pandora or list of pandora games. Google pandora release list turned up this list [pdroms.de] of a bunch of emulators (without any licensed ROMs) and source ports of M-rated first-person shooters developed by Id Software. Do you expect original games with production values comparable to those of well-known PSP games to be produced for the Pandora? Or do you expect people to buy one device exclusively for major-label games and a second device exclusively for indie games?

Re:Pandora vs. PSP (0, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501048)

Do you expect original games with production values comparable to those of well-known PSP games to be produced for the Pandora?

I didn't realize that the PSP even played video games... Are you sure about your source?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

devent (1627873) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500744)

On a television you can play your computer. Just plug the TV to the computer, I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs. Then buy a controller and play all the games you like.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500836)

On a television you can play your computer. Just plug the TV to the computer, I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs. Then buy a controller and play all the games you like.

Yeah then get stomped because everyone else uses a mouse and keyboard.

The whole point of a console is everyone gets handicapped.... or in sony's case knee-capped

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500972)

If you ever wanted to truly show someone how much better a PC game looks than its console cousin, do what the GP suggestion.

Besides, they do make wireless keyboards and mice...

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501094)

Besides, they do make wireless keyboards and mice

Plural? In that case, the game runs into a problem with DirectInput: an application can see multiple gamepads but can't see more than one distinct keyboard and mouse. For example, if I press the left mouse button on player 1's mouse and then press the left mouse button on player 2's mouse, the game can't tell them apart. What do players 2 through 4 who live with me or are visiting me use? Separate PCs and separate TVs?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501224)

Plural? In that case, the game runs into a problem with DirectInput: an application can see multiple gamepads but can't see more than one distinct keyboard and mouse. For example, if I press the left mouse button on player 1's mouse and then press the left mouse button on player 2's mouse, the game can't tell them apart. What do players 2 through 4 who live with me or are visiting me use? Separate PCs and separate TVs?

I take it you've never been to a LAN party...besides, most PC games don't allow co-op on the same screen anyway.

And yes, I know you were just being a smartass because I was a moron :-)

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501040)

Context: PC vs. PS3 and other consoles as a set-top video gaming device

I think all TVs have VGA, DVI, HDMI inputs.

SDTVs don't have DVI or HDMI ports. I recommend this adapter cable [sewelldirect.com] from VGA to SDTV, but most people don't know it exists because it's not sold in stores. And even those console gamers who have an HDTV are likely into consoles precisely because there aren't a lot of games made for the PC with major-label production values that support multiple gamepads. Does this mean I need to develop those games myself?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (4, Insightful)

sheehaje (240093) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500806)

For gaming on a television, any PC with HDMI output will do...

I run a fairly plain Dell low profile computer with a sapphire radeon HD 5570 and it's great as a media/game type pc for the living room. I added a cheap bluetooth adapter for keyboard and mouse, and I use a wired xbox 360 controller for those who prefer that (my wife)... There's even a wireless kit available for the xbox 360 controller...

It's also great for the other usual sorts of things PC's are good for: email, web browsing, netflix, hulu, etc...

I have an XBOX 360, but I rarely use it anymore... I'm not anti-console, I just find the console lacking in some areas, especially MMORPG's and Strategy type games.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501150)

I have a Mac Mini hooked up to the TV and I watch iTunes content. No DRM there. Wait...

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500980)

Then what do you recommend for people who like to play video games on a handheld device or on a television?

A better hobby.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501042)

Maybe the Dingoo [wikipedia.org] for handheld gaming? Yes it runs Linux.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (3, Funny)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501438)

Does it eat babies?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

tehniobium (1042240) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500650)

Lol, same. I doubt my "homebrew computer" will ever have its "other OS" option removed ^_^

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (3, Informative)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500752)

The Nintendo DS doesn't have upgradable firmware and has a thriving homebrew scene, so I wonder what it is you're avoiding by not buying one.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501144)

I've totally managed to avoid this by never purchasing a PS3, an XBox, a Nintendo DS, or for that matter, an iPhone.

Wait a minute, I thought these companies forced people to buy the stuff. At least that's what I always hear. You're telling me people voluntarily pay money for this stuff, even though they know the company is going to keep the hardware locked down?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500618)

Nah, people who *just* bought it for the otherOs still has it. I doesn't upgrade the firmware if it's booted into GNU/Linux. I know because where I work we have several...

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500622)

It's a game system. You buy games for it. Get over it.

P.S. Microsoft charges for network play, not Sony.

Get over it? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500672)

It's a game system. You buy games for it. Get over it.

I can't buy $SomeTitle for PS3 because Sony has turned it down. What should the developer of $SomeTitle do about this?

Re:Get over it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500770)

Practice ancient US secret martial art called Isueu

Re:Get over it? (1)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500776)

Develop a better game... One that will sell. Sony benefits when games on their system sell well, I doubt they turn down many viable titles.

Re:Get over it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500802)

Develop for a more open solution? Perhaps something not Sony and not an iProduct?

Re:Get over it? (1)

Fred IV (587429) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501070)

I can't buy $SomeTitle for PS3 because Sony has turned it down. What should the developer of $SomeTitle do about this?

Stop developing for platforms that offer no guarantee that their product will ever be available to their target audience.

Re:Get over it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501082)

Care to point to A SINGLE EXAMPLE of where this has happened?

Denied (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501160)

I can point out a couple examples, one on a Sony system and one on a Nintendo system. Sony allegedly wouldn't let Capcom make a classic-style Mega Man game for the original PlayStation (Mega Man X4 and X5) until it had made a 3D Mega Man game (Mega Man Legends) for the same platform. I seem to remember a Metal Slug game that went Xbox-exclusive for a similar reason: it wasn't 3D enough. Nintendo wouldn't give the developer of Bob's Game [wikipedia.org] the time of day, let alone a devkit.

Re:Denied (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501320)

Bob's Game also sucked pretty badly.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500632)

didnt they just start charging for the PSN?

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500734)

They have PSN+, which offers some extra content, but everything that used to be free still is.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

Kalidor (94097) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500902)

No, they added a charged + version that basically is a rewards program. Some 'free items,' some discounts, and some mildly enhanced services. Like auto-downloading updates instead of making you go out and download them yourself. Still doesn't install without intervention, and needs the psn+ account holder to stay logged in, so yeah, mostly just a rewards programs with discount and some 'free content.' Otherwise services are unchanged, and most, if not all, the free/discount content is still available to buy without a psn+ subscription albeit at an increased 'per unit' cost.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500764)

Don't even pretend that people were jailbreaking it for homebrew. We all know the real reason why.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500872)

Don't even pretend that people were jailbreaking it for homebrew. We all know the real reason why.

Revenge by Linux enthusiasts?

Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500822)

" It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer, even after they've already paid for the console."

Let's just compare this asinine claim to reality:

* Sony, just like PC gaming, provides FREE ONLINE to every single PS3 owner.

* Sony provides FREE DEDICATED servers for all major competitive online games just like on the PC

* Sony is developer friendly and completely open to FREE add-on content for PS3 owners to download

* Sony's wildly successful 20 million+ userbase online world, Home, is completely FREE to every PS3 owner

* Sony allows cheap, off the shelf harddrive upgrades

* Sony allows cheap, off the shelf keyboard and mice to be used with the system

Wow, what a bunch of evil gamer hating misers are those Sony guys...

Re:Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500912)

The miserable little punk has to be an Xbox fanboy. 60 dollar a year online charges. Laggy P2P networking. Ripoff harddrive and other addon prices.

Fanboy projection. You are so angry and bitter about your own system, in this case the piece of shit Xbox 360 and Microsoft's absurd nickel and diming, that you project your anger at other consoles.

Re:Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (1, Informative)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500964)

Actually, I own a PS3 and not an XBox 360.

Re:Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (1, Funny)

jmerlin (1010641) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501076)

This just in. Following points made on /. regarding what other things than gaming you can do on your PS3, Sony quickly released an update that includes these changes:
1. Online access to gamer network requires a subscription plan.
2. All publishers must release updates to their games that removes dedicated servers because the datacenter electricity bill was too high.
3. Developing for the PS3 now requires a developer license. Also, an app store has been announced, where applications can be purchased, while free applications exist, they usually suck. Also, you must develop on an Apple OS. Apple agreed to help with the application approval process, seeing as they have a phenomenal app store system, and in return PS3 development has been restricted to OSX.
4. USB attached hard drives are no longer permitted. Nor are harddrive upgrades. "There's no reason for you to need all that space", says Sony, "you're just playing games."
5. Regular USB keyboards and mice no longer work properly with the PS3. You must register your device and pay a mandatory $5 fee per device registered for it to interact correctly with the PS3. Or you can buy a PS3 keyboard/mouse pre-registered for $80 each. 3 month warranty included -- we know how you gamers treat your keyboards, especially after getting pwnd.

Be careful when pointing out positive aspects of a console. They'll be quick to whisk those away so all you have is a box that takes BD disks and makes shiny gfx on the screen.

Idiot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501120)

Go away dumbshit. You're not funny nor clever.

Re:Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (0, Flamebait)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501342)

Are you describing the Xbox?

Re:Ravings Of A Delusional Fanboy Vs. Reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501466)

Asinine claim? They heavily subsidized the console price because they expect to make money back on game licenses.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500882)

"God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play."

They have talked about this. It's coming, and Microsoft plans on doing it, too. They want to "rent" the games to you - without the option to buy. The game might *eventually* be available for outright purchase, but not until it is no longer popular.

The dream of EVERY software publisher is to somehow get you to pay them a monthly fee to keep your software working. It's guaranteed income. Looks great to the stockholders, and almost eliminates piracy. Never mind that it is PURE EVIL.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500966)

It also completely eliminates my desire to ever own a system which only has that way of playing games. I've already stopped paying for cable and for a cellphone. I'm not paying a monthly fee for fucking videogames. Enough with the godamn monthly fees already.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500888)

It's never been really about protecting intellectual content on the PS3. It's always been about how much money Sony can squeeze out of a customer

That's what "protecting intellectual content" is all about. Copyright exists to force people to spend more money than they would have otherwise, thereby inflating the GDP.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501216)

Copyright exists to force people to spend more money than they would have otherwise, thereby inflating the GDP.

How would that inflate the GDP? The extra money would have just been spent elsewhere.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501244)

It may not have, it may have been saved. Or, after it's spent on intellectual property, it will be spent elsewhere again. Spending money on a non-scarce good is an extra transaction either way you look at it.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500914)

Since Sony makes their money from games, a PS3 with Linux installed (whether by an individual owner or as part of some sort of cluster) wouldn't make any money for Sony, so they took away the option, even if the owner bought it just for the OtherOS option.

If it were really this nefarious, then Sony wouldn't have allowed you to install Linux in the first place. The most likely possibility is that the "OtherOS" option wasn't very popular, and Sony discontinued support for an unpopular feature.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501090)

They didn't do anything for Linux support. Cell is PPC based, there are dozens of distos that will run on a PPC arch. They paid YDL to get their distro on the PS3 before the console was even launched. Why? Because they wanted tech kudos to sell a very expensive toy that had very few games for a good 18 months.

OtherOS isn't the only thing they've removed since launch. Back compatibility was downgraded to bad software then dropped altogether, card slots were removed SACD was removed, DTS was removed from local M2TS files for over a year. USB ports were reduced. You get the picture here?

The problem is the original models are the best and have the most functionality, but as they fail, Sony don't repair them, they send you a refurb unit, which is now less than the unit you purchased. Sony are probably the #1 hated company these days, mostly because of their content division. That's pretty bad going considering what tosspots Microsoft and Apple are to their customers.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (2, Insightful)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501006)

Well yes and no.

I agree with you that Sony disabling the OtherOS option was a kick in the sprouts, and generally speaking I think Sony is a horrible company that I refuse to buy products from, PS3 included (though once upon a time I considered, and thankfully heeded my own advice).

Having said that it is about money, but it is about selling PS3 games, and people pirating games. I think it is pretty common sense that for every 1 person that might legitimately (in my mind anyway) tinker with it, install new hardware, install new OS, etc... there is likely 10,000 that would just buy a mod-chip online so they can download a thousand PS3 games for free and play them without paying.

Just saying that is the most likely eventuality, and to which one Sony is protecting against. Because once that happens, Sony may not make as much money off the games they produce, and if it becomes too rampant, developers may think twice about making a game for the PS3 in the first place (or at least exclusively for the PS3 anyway).

Personally I wish the hackers well, as I have no love for Sony.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (2, Insightful)

morari (1080535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501014)

God forbid if Sony ever decides that we don't pay enough for games and starts charging us a dime for every minute we play.

Don't they already? At $60-$70 a pop, the time I spend having fun with each game equates to about 10 cents per minute.

Actually, it is. (3, Insightful)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501016)

Just to play devil's advocate here,

I'm really not fond of all the latest sony moves, i miss the other os option just like everybody. but at the same time they are protecting their IP. Because we can claim the homebrew scene all we want. We *know* that most people will be buying the USB dongle to play copies...erm... backups.

I'm not saying there aren't any genuine homebrew and useful mods, I'm saying that most people won't be into that. By stopping us from playing game copies, sony is protecting their IP.

Sony would be way smarter to keep stopping people from playing game copies but at the same time, provide a resource kit for modders to keep on modding. The PS3 is a beautiful and powerful piece of plastic and by providing the other os option (initially) i think sony was in the right track.

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501394)

They had Other OS (Linux) on PS3 for nearly 2-3 years, but Sony didn't notice they weren't making any money from it until some hackers (geohot?) claimed that they hacked the PS3 throught a vulnerability in Linux. Just at that moment, Sony noticed that Other OS wasn't making any money for them and removed this feature. Yeah, right. /s

Re:Never about Protecting Intellectual Content (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501430)

You should know Sony isn't against anyone doing homebrew, look at the minis program for example. What Sony's doing is protecting their system from piracy so that they can leverage sales to developers, not you and I.

The theory is that developers don't want to make games for a system that is easily used for piracy and thus Sony makes some level of guarantee that they won't allow piracy to the best of their ability and by increasing legitimate sales for their partners, they gain more games with higher costs of development.

If you want to make your own games on your own PS3, pay up the $1000 or so for a dev unit and go at it.

Games (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500556)

I have a question: Is there any way I can play pirated/downloaded games off internet and loaded onto PS3 internal disk? with the new software around is there anything I can do? Where can I download many PS3 games?

Re:Games (2, Funny)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500638)

if you don't know, you are certainly not L33T enough.

Intellectual content on a playstation? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500668)

This must be some new meaning of the word intellectual.

Re:Intellectual content on a playstation? (1, Insightful)

Lost Race (681080) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500846)

Another useless executive with an overinflated sense of his [company's] importance in the world. "Intellectual" indeed.

"Entertainment content" would be a better term for it, or maybe just "dreck".

"... as we always have, we will continue to take necessary actions to both hardware and software to protect the dreck provided on the PlayStation 3."

There, FTFH.

Re:Intellectual content on a playstation? (1)

ALeavitt (636946) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501434)

Christ, sanctimonious assholes like you need to learn to just shut the fuck up and let other people have their fun. So you don't like video games - so fucking what? Not only are they a legitimate hobby and form of entertainment, they are booming as a business when dozens of other industries around the world are foundering. The fact that you can't wrap your head around people finding entertainment in things that don't entertain you says more about your "intellectual" capacity than it says about anybody else's, Sony executives included. Go read some penny dreadfuls and maybe catch a talkie at the nickelodeon, and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy ourselves as we see fit, grandpa.

And In Other News... (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500700)

And in other news, it is reported that the Little Dutch Boy is running out of fingers to stick in the dike.

Re:And In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33500830)

Accordingly the Dutch Government has decided to expose him to radiation so that he'll grow a few extra arms. Debates are ongoing as to Cosmic Rays for the stretchy arms.

Re:And In Other News... (1, Funny)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501002)

That's the least of his problems. More important is the way the dike slaps him every time he tries to stick a finger in her.

PS3 is a lame lockout box and I won't buy one. (4, Insightful)

Script Cat (832717) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500906)

Seriously, why would anyone want to develop user code for that junk lockout box. Doing so only increases the value of the box for Sony. Sony has burned so many bridges I wonder why anyone would give them there business. Sony is first and foremost a media company and this is incompatible with being an electronics company. An actual electronics company should be on the customers side when engineering the box. These days most engineering on these junk boxes is to prevent function and track users. These devices should not be purchased.

What A Fucking Piece Of Garbage (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501232)

Pieces of shit like you need to die. Today.

Re:PS3 is a lame lockout box and I won't buy one. (4, Interesting)

ALeavitt (636946) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501336)

The most obvious reason to develop for a home console in this day and age is money. Quite simply, video games on consoles outsell games on PCs by a very wide margin. With the video game market poised to top $10 billion in the US alone this year, it should be fairly obvious why a developer would choose to develop for consoles instead of the PC - sales are higher than on PC, piracy is almost nonexistent compared to PCs, and consoles are both more popular and visible as gaming devices than PCs. You can argue that everybody plays Flash games on PCs and that the PC gaming market is larger than the console market, but I would argue that for people who actually pay money to play video games, consoles are the go-to destination. Some developers are unconcerned with programming as a political statement and just want to develop something that will pay the bills.

"Homebrew", right... (4, Insightful)

Khisanth Magus (1090101) | more than 4 years ago | (#33500910)

As in "homebrew" pirated games, yes? Do you honestly think more than 10% of the people who "jailbreak" a ps3 are doing it so they can run Linux or play homebrew games on it? Of course not, they are doing it so they can download games and not pay for them. Given the fact that one of the first things that seemed to be released with the new "jailbreak" were ways to play "backups", I think it is pretty obvious what people really want it for. Stop pretending otherwise. Sony is well within their rights to stop people from stealing games. If you are mad at Sony for taking away your ability to play Linux or whatever on it, maybe you should get mad at the "pirates" who feel they are entitled to play games they haven't paid for, because they are the reason Sony has to take away the capabilities.

Re:"Homebrew", right... (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501146)

That's like banning video recorders because people use them to infringe copyright (please stop calling it piracy - it's legally inaccurate). The majority use of video recorders was entirely legitimate, and at the time every company that produced media was trying to find some way to stop the "horrendous" technology which was going to destroy television / movies forever. The same happened with DVD recorders, tape recorders, photocopiers, etc. before it. And still, the MAJORITY use was entirely legitimate.

Whether the majority used of hacked PS3's is legitimate or not, there is an ENTIRELY legitimate use for them - hell, even governments and research projects were using PS2's and XBoxes with hacked firmware to build compute clusters. And just because there are both legitimate and illegal practices possible, both of which can ONLY be made possible if a single act is performed, does not make that act illegal.

If I'd ever owned any console past the SNES, I wouldn't *care* what the reasoning was - I would have bought a device that had a feature that the company arbitrarily removed without option ("not upgrading" isn't an option if that stops you using the console for another entirely legitimate purpose - i.e. buying new games that you bought). Thus, it's a potential breach of contract WHATEVER the EULA says (50% of the average EULA is unenforceable, the same as 50% of any particular large chain's refund policies, etc.). I'd be demanding my right to the full range of features that I bought AND I'd be deliberately hacking the thing too.

It was a stupid decision to remove an established feature that people *did* take into account when they were purchasing. But then, I've never bought a Sony device in my life and I haven't bought any modern consoles (does a £10 Dreamcast from a bootsale count if it was for my mother?). Just because there's an illegal use does not render my right to perform perfectly legitimate acts void.

Re:"Homebrew", right... (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501166)

As in "homebrew" pirated games, yes? Do you honestly think more than 10% of the people who "jailbreak" a ps3 are doing it so they can run Linux or play homebrew games on it? Of course not, they are doing it so they can download games and not pay for them. Given the fact that one of the first things that seemed to be released with the new "jailbreak" were ways to play "backups", I think it is pretty obvious what people really want it for. Stop pretending otherwise. Sony is well within their rights to stop people from stealing games. If you are mad at Sony for taking away your ability to play Linux or whatever on it, maybe you should get mad at the "pirates" who feel they are entitled to play games they haven't paid for, because they are the reason Sony has to take away the capabilities.

I would be interested in your thoughts on playing games I have paid for from backups. I keep the originals in the cases and out of reach of children and careless adults. I bought the console, I bought the game, I just made a copy for personal use. Does that make me a pirate?

Re:"Homebrew", right... (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501192)

And yet it was Sony's removal of the Other OS functionality that led to this jailbreaking in the first place, so saying that the "evil pirates" have forced poor innocent Sony who love their customers *this* much to take away the capabilities" is a little disingenuous.

Re:"Homebrew", right... (5, Insightful)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501266)

And it is disingenuous itself to not point out that those same hackers jailbreaking the other OS is why it got removed. Make no mistake, this is a war, and legitimate users are the collateral damage. Neither side is blameless, Sony nor the hackers.

Unlearned lessons (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501066)

Sony has been at this war for years with the PSP, and they apparently never figured it out. It wouldn't have been made a priority to develop a homebrew if Sony hadn't removed advertised functionality. I mean SERIOUSLY though, its been out since 17 Nov 2006, no one was making serious effort to hack it until this year.

This is why I bought a Wii instead of a PS3 (3, Insightful)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501108)

After the CD rootkit debacle, I will never trust Sony again. They could come to my house bearing roses and I'd kick 'em in the nads.

Re:This is why I bought a Wii instead of a PS3 (0, Flamebait)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501364)

After that whole Windows, Exchange and Office debacle, I'm never buying another microsoft product ever again.

(Seriously; why is it whenever a PS3 or Sony story comes up on /. there's a horde of people bitching about that rootkit but no one ever gets up in arms with the fact that Microsoft has rooted billions of computers around the world with some of the most useless, inefficient and insecure software on earth?)

Re:This is why I bought a Wii instead of a PS3 (2, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501416)

Seriously; why is it whenever a PS3 or Sony story comes up on /. there's a horde of people bitching about that rootkit but no one ever gets up in arms with the fact that Microsoft has rooted billions of computers around the world with some of the most useless, inefficient and insecure software on earth?

Maybe because they don't fee like drawing that particular false equivalence?

Sony (0, Troll)

JxcelDolghmQ (1827432) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501140)

..can suck my cock.

I've taken mine offline at 3.41 (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501198)

Plugged the cable and disabled wireless access. We'll see how long I'll 'hang in', but there's certainly no reason to upgrade to 3.42 and given that Sony haven't provided a FW with new worthwhile features in 24 months, I don't see much reason to upgrade 'going forward' either.

Hopefully any future games (say Infamous 2) that req. new firmware can either be patched or a new firmware hacked and then upgraded.

Re:I've taken mine offline at 3.41 (1)

eskwayrd (575069) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501392)

Mine's been offline since 3.15. I haven't used 'Install Other OS' (yet), but I still get to see it.

What about new games? I'm not buying new games until Sony relents. This probably means I'm not ever going to buy any more PS3 games, but I'm more than willing to wait.

If the console stops playing bluerays/DVDs, I'll replace it with a non-Sony unit and sell off the few games I have.

Kudos (2, Interesting)

Is0m0rph (819726) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501226)

While I can't stand Sony and wouldn't own a PS3 at least they quickly tackled this. Playing Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 with all the JTAGed Xboxes running rampant hacking public games on Xbox Live while MS does nothing hasn't been fun this year.

How to make money and friends (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33501302)

Design a secure game console where the DVD/Blu-Ray access disabled limited in a homebrew mode. With online access and maybe a jailed filesystem for flash access only. (not unlike iOS)
Charge $10-$100 for a homebrew gamedev kit that allows signing of software with your own personal key. No store access or anything of that nature, just straight up binary blob that can be installed on any console while it is connected online, until the key is revoked (like when you violate the terms of service).
Leave the service pretty hands off. Try not to manage it. don't have approval process, or review panels, or anything that wastes money with human staff. It should just funnel money into the company's bank account, the volumes of homebrew devs is so low that breaking even is a problem if managed like every other corporate service/product. (big companies usually/always suck at making money off small volumes)
You give people a legitimate path to do what they claim they want to do. And use the profits to fight the actual pirates.

What Sony has done... (1)

Roskolnikov (68772) | more than 4 years ago | (#33501402)

rootkit on CD's - I stopped purchasing CDs
retroactive feature lockout - the PS3 is the last game console I will purchase from Sony, for all its wonder Sony has shown once again that they have nothing but contempt and arrogance toward their customers, a let them eat bread approach, needs to be addressed with a vote from the pocketbook.

As much as it pains me to do so, anyone who will ask me about a game box will get a 'build one' or purchase an XBox 360, I don't see Microsoft as any friendlier towards their consumers but I have seen them act in a fairly straight forward manner regarding DRM and dealing with flawed hardware.

To date Sony has taken away legitimate functionality with the PS3, first with the Linux 'disable' to prevent jailbreaks, which strangely enough, came to be because Sony disabled Linux.

Idiots and fools.

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